Did the early church worship on Sabbath?

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Of course you do.
How would you like a little evidence as to Hislop's truthfulness?

From pages 142 and 143 of The Two Babylons.

But there is another symbol of the Pope's power which must not be overlooked, and
that is the pontifical crosier. Whence came the crosier? The answer to this, in the first place, is, that the Pope stole it from the Roman augur. The classical reader may remember, that when the Roman augurs consulted the heavens, or took prognostics from the aspect of the sky, there was a certain instrument with which it was indispensable that they should be equipped. That instrument with which they described the portion of the heavens on which their observations were to be made, was curved at the one end, and was called "lituus."
Now, so manifestly was the "lituus," or crooked rod of the Roman augurs, identical
with the pontifical crosier, that Roman Catholic writers themselves, writing in the Dark Ages, at a time when disguise was thought unnecessary, did not hesitate to use the term "lituus" as a synonym for the crosier. Thus a Papal writer describes a certain Pope or Papal bishop as "mitra lituoque decorus," adorned with the mitre and the augur's rod, meaning thereby that he was "adorned with the mitre and the crosier." But this lituus, or divining-rod, of the Roman augurs, was, as is well known, borrowed from the Etruscans, who, again, had derived it, along with their religion, from the Assyrians.
As the Roman augur was distinguished by his crooked rod, so the Chaldean
soothsayers and priests, in the performance of their magic rites, were generally equipped with a crook or crosier. This magic crook can be traced up directly to the first king of Babylon, that is, Nimrod, who, as stated by Berosus, was the first that bore the title of a Shepherd-king. In Hebrew, or the Chaldee of the days of Abraham, "Nimrod the Shepherd," is just Nimrod "He-Roe"; and from this title of the "mighty hunter before the Lord," have no doubt been derived, both the name of Hero itself, and all that Hero-worship which has since overspread the world.
Certain it is that Nimrod's deified successors have generally been represented with the crook or crosier. This was the case in Babylon and Nineveh, as the extant monuments show. In Layard, it may be seen in a more ornate form, and nearly resembling the papal crosier as borne at this day. * This was the case in Egypt, after the Babylonian power was established there, as the statues of Osiris with his crosier bear witness, ** Osiris himself being frequently represented as a crosier with an eye above it.

Now here is a link to confirm this.

 
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Acts:
  • The Sabbath is recorded as being observed:
    • Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
    • Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
    • Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    • Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
    • Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
    • Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
  • Churches:
    • Acts 16:4-5 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.
  • Paul's custom was Sabbath observance:
    • Acts 17:2-3 And Paul, as his manner was [NKJV as his custom was], went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
  • Acts 20:7:
    • No significance is given to Acts 20:7's first day of the week.
      • The meeting doesn't take place in a synagogue, but in an upper room, on the third floor of a building.
      • No mention of the taking of communion, only the breaking of bread (eating meals together).
        • Acts 2:42 AMP They were continually and faithfully devoting themselves to the instruction of the apostles, and to fellowship, to eating meals together [Lit the breaking of bread] and to prayers.
      • No mention of anyone attending other than Paul, the disciples and the young man that fell out of the third story window.
      • No mention of Sunday sacredness (which, by the way, is nowhere in the Bible, let alone this verse).
      • No mention of Paul or any of the disciples suddenly adopting Sunday as a new Sabbath.
  • What did the apostles believe?
    • Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Conclusion:
  • Five chapters of Acts chronicle the observance of the Sabbath and apostles preaching in synagogues to Jew and Gentile alike.
  • It was Paul's custom to observe the Sabbath, and to preach on the Sabbath (above; Acts 17:2-3), as was Jesus' custom (Luke 4:16).
  • If Paul and the disciples were observing the Sabbath as recorded, the churches they delivered decrees to (Acts 16:4-5) did also.
    • decrees (dogma): a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical):—decree, ordinance.
  • The statement Peter and the other apostles made in Acts 5:29, that we ought to obey God rather than men, is a rebuke to not put commandments/traditions of men before the commandments of God. Jesus says the same thing in Matthew 15:3-6.
Very true..
 
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Acts:
  • The Sabbath is recorded as being observed:
    • Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
    • Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
    • Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    • Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
    • Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
    • Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
  • Churches:
    • Acts 16:4-5 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.
  • Paul's custom was Sabbath observance:
    • Acts 17:2-3 And Paul, as his manner was [NKJV as his custom was], went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
  • Acts 20:7:
    • No significance is given to Acts 20:7's first day of the week.
      • The meeting doesn't take place in a synagogue, but in an upper room, on the third floor of a building.
      • No mention of the taking of communion, only the breaking of bread (eating meals together).
        • Acts 2:42 AMP They were continually and faithfully devoting themselves to the instruction of the apostles, and to fellowship, to eating meals together [Lit the breaking of bread] and to prayers.
      • No mention of anyone attending other than Paul, the disciples and the young man that fell out of the third story window.
      • No mention of Sunday sacredness (which, by the way, is nowhere in the Bible, let alone this verse).
      • No mention of Paul or any of the disciples suddenly adopting Sunday as a new Sabbath.
  • What did the apostles believe?
    • Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Conclusion:
  • Five chapters of Acts chronicle the observance of the Sabbath and apostles preaching in synagogues to Jew and Gentile alike.
  • It was Paul's custom to observe the Sabbath, and to preach on the Sabbath (above; Acts 17:2-3), as was Jesus' custom (Luke 4:16).
  • If Paul and the disciples were observing the Sabbath as recorded, the churches they delivered decrees to (Acts 16:4-5) did also.
    • decrees (dogma): a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical):—decree, ordinance.
  • The statement Peter and the other apostles made in Acts 5:29, that we ought to obey God rather than men, is a rebuke to not put commandments/traditions of men before the commandments of God. Jesus says the same thing in Matthew 15:3-6.
Paul was also in the marketplace on the Sabbath
 
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How would you like a little evidence as to Hislop's truthfulness?

From pages 142 and 143 of The Two Babylons.

But there is another symbol of the Pope's power which must not be overlooked, and
that is the pontifical crosier. Whence came the crosier? The answer to this, in the first place, is, that the Pope stole it from the Roman augur. The classical reader may remember, that when the Roman augurs consulted the heavens, or took prognostics from the aspect of the sky, there was a certain instrument with which it was indispensable that they should be equipped. That instrument with which they described the portion of the heavens on which their observations were to be made, was curved at the one end, and was called "lituus."
Now, so manifestly was the "lituus," or crooked rod of the Roman augurs, identical
with the pontifical crosier, that Roman Catholic writers themselves, writing in the Dark Ages, at a time when disguise was thought unnecessary, did not hesitate to use the term "lituus" as a synonym for the crosier. Thus a Papal writer describes a certain Pope or Papal bishop as "mitra lituoque decorus," adorned with the mitre and the augur's rod, meaning thereby that he was "adorned with the mitre and the crosier." But this lituus, or divining-rod, of the Roman augurs, was, as is well known, borrowed from the Etruscans, who, again, had derived it, along with their religion, from the Assyrians.
As the Roman augur was distinguished by his crooked rod, so the Chaldean
soothsayers and priests, in the performance of their magic rites, were generally equipped with a crook or crosier. This magic crook can be traced up directly to the first king of Babylon, that is, Nimrod, who, as stated by Berosus, was the first that bore the title of a Shepherd-king. In Hebrew, or the Chaldee of the days of Abraham, "Nimrod the Shepherd," is just Nimrod "He-Roe"; and from this title of the "mighty hunter before the Lord," have no doubt been derived, both the name of Hero itself, and all that Hero-worship which has since overspread the world.
Certain it is that Nimrod's deified successors have generally been represented with the crook or crosier. This was the case in Babylon and Nineveh, as the extant monuments show. In Layard, it may be seen in a more ornate form, and nearly resembling the papal crosier as borne at this day. * This was the case in Egypt, after the Babylonian power was established there, as the statues of Osiris with his crosier bear witness, ** Osiris himself being frequently represented as a crosier with an eye above it.

Now here is a link to confirm this.

Wow, the truth of this church of Babylon is being unveiled slowly but surely...
 
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Acts:
  • The Sabbath is recorded as being observed:
    • Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
    • Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
    • Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    • Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
    • Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
    • Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
  • Churches:
    • Acts 16:4-5 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.
  • Paul's custom was Sabbath observance:
    • Acts 17:2-3 And Paul, as his manner was [NKJV as his custom was], went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
  • Acts 20:7:
    • No significance is given to Acts 20:7's first day of the week.
      • The meeting doesn't take place in a synagogue, but in an upper room, on the third floor of a building.
      • No mention of the taking of communion, only the breaking of bread (eating meals together).
        • Acts 2:42 AMP They were continually and faithfully devoting themselves to the instruction of the apostles, and to fellowship, to eating meals together [Lit the breaking of bread] and to prayers.
      • No mention of anyone attending other than Paul, the disciples and the young man that fell out of the third story window.
      • No mention of Sunday sacredness (which, by the way, is nowhere in the Bible, let alone this verse).
      • No mention of Paul or any of the disciples suddenly adopting Sunday as a new Sabbath.
  • What did the apostles believe?
    • Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Conclusion:
  • Five chapters of Acts chronicle the observance of the Sabbath and apostles preaching in synagogues to Jew and Gentile alike.
  • It was Paul's custom to observe the Sabbath, and to preach on the Sabbath (above; Acts 17:2-3), as was Jesus' custom (Luke 4:16).
  • If Paul and the disciples were observing the Sabbath as recorded, the churches they delivered decrees to (Acts 16:4-5) did also.
    • decrees (dogma): a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical):—decree, ordinance.
  • The statement Peter and the other apostles made in Acts 5:29, that we ought to obey God rather than men, is a rebuke to not put commandments/traditions of men before the commandments of God. Jesus says the same thing in Matthew 15:3-6.
Good text to go over..
 
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Good text to go over..
The sabbath was observed by the Jews and by the circumcised Gentile converts to Judaism, and by these practitioners of Judaism who converted to Christianity. In those days, before the destruction of the temple and of Jerusalem, uncircumcised Gentiles were forbidden to enter into Jewish synagogues. Acts 16:3

The sabbath was not observed by uncircumcised Gentile converts to Christianity.
Gentiles who were not practicing Judaism at the time of their conversion were not circumcised and so they were not bound by the Jewish sabbaths and its laws.

To become a practitioner of Judaism, a male person was required to be circumcised; and all practitioners of Judaism, male and female, were required to keep the sabbath laws. Even the slaves who were not practitioners of Judaism were required to be circumcised in order to serve in the Israelites'/Jews' households. The circumcised and uncircumcised were forbidden to have contact with each other. Acts 11:2-3

Genesis 17:10-12 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 Throughout your generations every male among you shall be circumcised when he is eight days old, including the slave born in your house and the one bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring.

Exodus 31:12-14 The Lord said to Moses: 13 You yourself are to speak to the Israelites:You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, given in order that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. 14 You shall keep the sabbath, because it is holy for you; everyone who profanes it shall be put to death; whoever does any work on it shall be cut off from among the people.


I don't know of any Jew today who has been put to death or cut off from their people because of abusing their sabbath rules; do you know of any?

What commands were actually given to the Gentile converts regarding Jewish laws? Circumcision? Sabbath observance? Neither one!


1 Corinthians 7:18 Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision.

Acts 21:25 But as for the Gentiles who have become believers, we have sent a letter with our judgement that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.’

Context
: 20 When they heard it, they praised God. Then they said to him, ‘You see, brother, how many thousands of believers there are among the Jews, and they are all zealous for the law. 21 They have been told about you that you teach all the Jews living among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, and that you tell them not to circumcise their children or observe the customs. 22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 So do what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow. 24 Join these men, go through the rite of purification with them, and pay for the shaving of their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself observe and guard the law. 25 But as for the Gentiles who have become believers, we have sent a letter with our judgement that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.’


The sabbath observance was for the Israelites/Jews alone. The sabbath was never a requirement for the Gentile converts to Christianity.

If you desire to observe the sabbath of the Jews, you may certainly do this. Every person has free will.

As for the early Church, the established oral tradition was for them to gather on the first day of the week, the Lord's Day, to worship. This oral tradition has been handed down in Christ's church since His teaching them to do this after His resurrection from the dead on the first day of the week. There was no need to put this in a letter. Every Christian in every town or city was taught by word of mouth that they were to meet at so and so's home on the first day of the week for worship.


2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
 
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Acts:
  • The Sabbath is recorded as being observed:
    • Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
    • Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
    • Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    • Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
    • Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
    • Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
  • Churches:
    • Acts 16:4-5 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.
  • Paul's custom was Sabbath observance:
    • Acts 17:2-3 And Paul, as his manner was [NKJV as his custom was], went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
  • Acts 20:7:
    • No significance is given to Acts 20:7's first day of the week.
      • The meeting doesn't take place in a synagogue, but in an upper room, on the third floor of a building.
      • No mention of the taking of communion, only the breaking of bread (eating meals together).
        • Acts 2:42 AMP They were continually and faithfully devoting themselves to the instruction of the apostles, and to fellowship, to eating meals together [Lit the breaking of bread] and to prayers.
      • No mention of anyone attending other than Paul, the disciples and the young man that fell out of the third story window.
      • No mention of Sunday sacredness (which, by the way, is nowhere in the Bible, let alone this verse).
      • No mention of Paul or any of the disciples suddenly adopting Sunday as a new Sabbath.
  • What did the apostles believe?
    • Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Conclusion:
  • Five chapters of Acts chronicle the observance of the Sabbath and apostles preaching in synagogues to Jew and Gentile alike.
  • It was Paul's custom to observe the Sabbath, and to preach on the Sabbath (above; Acts 17:2-3), as was Jesus' custom (Luke 4:16).
  • If Paul and the disciples were observing the Sabbath as recorded, the churches they delivered decrees to (Acts 16:4-5) did also.
    • decrees (dogma): a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical):—decree, ordinance.
  • The statement Peter and the other apostles made in Acts 5:29, that we ought to obey God rather than men, is a rebuke to not put commandments/traditions of men before the commandments of God. Jesus says the same thing in Matthew 15:3-6.
Do you have any idea what the apostles preaching in synagogues? Do you know if they were there to observe Sabbath.

Could it be they were there, not keeping Sabbath, but teaching the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ? What better place to find an audience.
 
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Do you have any idea what the apostles preaching in synagogues? Do you know if they were there to observe Sabbath.

Could it be they were there, not keeping Sabbath, but teaching the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ? What better place to find an audience.
True! Just as Paul was in the marketplace in Athens every day (including the Sabbath). That didn't make him a shopper.

 
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Regarding: Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.

Acts 15:3-5; Acts 15:14-21, and Amos 9:11-12

3 The church sent this delegation on their way. They traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, telling stories about the conversion of the Gentiles to everyone. Their reports thrilled the brothers and sisters. 4 When they arrived in Jerusalem, the church, the apostles, and the elders all welcomed them. They gave a full report of what God had accomplished through their activity. 5 Some believers from among the Pharisees stood up and claimed, “The Gentiles must be circumcised. They must be required to keep the Law from Moses. ..........


14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,

Says the Lord who does all these things.’

18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.


The point of mentioning Moses was in reference to Amos 9:11-12. Portions of the Books of the Prophets were read in every synagogue every Sabbath day for the instruction of the Jews and for the converts to Judaism. Simon Peter used a passage from the Book of Amos to show the believing Christian Jews that it was prophesied that the Gentiles were going to be saved. Many Jews believed that only Jews and converts to Judaism could be saved. These Christian Jews believed that Gentiles must convert to Judaism, be circumcised, and keep the Law of Moses with its Sabbath laws before they could be welcomed into their Christian fellowship. This was not true.

The requirements for Gentile believers in Jesus Christ were reduced to only the following laws in the Law of Moses, aka the first or old covenant:

19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

Circumcision Genesis 17:12 for Gentile converts to Christianity? No.
Sabbaths
Exodus 31:16 for Gentile converts to Christianity? No.
New Moons and Festivals
2 Chronicles 2:4 for Gentile converts to Christianity? No.

In the New Covenant, there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile. Romans 10:12


The first, or old, covenant was made obsolete and no longer in force by the second, or new, covenant. Hebrews 8:13
 
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Regarding: “Brothers, children of Abraham’s family, and you Gentile God-worshippers, the message about this salvation has been sent to us. Acts 13:26

These Gentile God-worshipers were converts to Judaism. These were not uncircumcised Gentiles. How do we know this?

In this same account by Luke, he tells us that these Gentile God-worshipers were converts to Judaism.

42
As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people urged them to speak about these things again on the next Sabbath. 43 When the people in the synagogue were dismissed, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism accompanied Paul and Barnabas, who urged them to remain faithful to the message of God’s grace.

Uncircumcised Gentiles were not allowed to enter Jewish synagogues.
Acts 16:3
 
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The sabbath was observed by the Jews and by the circumcised Gentile converts to Judaism, and by these practitioners of Judaism who converted to Christianity. In those days, before the destruction of the temple and of Jerusalem, uncircumcised Gentiles were forbidden to enter into Jewish synagogues. Acts 16:3

The sabbath was not observed by uncircumcised Gentile converts to Christianity.
Gentiles who were not practicing Judaism at the time of their conversion were not circumcised and so they were not bound by the Jewish sabbaths and its laws.

To become a practitioner of Judaism, a male person was required to be circumcised; and all practitioners of Judaism, male and female, were required to keep the sabbath laws. Even the slaves who were not practitioners of Judaism were required to be circumcised in order to serve in the Israelites'/Jews' households. The circumcised and uncircumcised were forbidden to have contact with each other. Acts 11:2-3

Genesis 17:10-12 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 Throughout your generations every male among you shall be circumcised when he is eight days old, including the slave born in your house and the one bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring.

Exodus 31:12-14 The Lord said to Moses: 13 You yourself are to speak to the Israelites:You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, given in order that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. 14 You shall keep the sabbath, because it is holy for you; everyone who profanes it shall be put to death; whoever does any work on it shall be cut off from among the people.


I don't know of any Jew today who has been put to death or cut off from their people because of abusing their sabbath rules; do you know of any?

What commands were actually given to the Gentile converts regarding Jewish laws? Circumcision? Sabbath observance? Neither one!


1 Corinthians 7:18 Was anyone at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was anyone at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision.

Acts 21:25 But as for the Gentiles who have become believers, we have sent a letter with our judgement that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.’

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: 20 When they heard it, they praised God. Then they said to him, ‘You see, brother, how many thousands of believers there are among the Jews, and they are all zealous for the law. 21 They have been told about you that you teach all the Jews living among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, and that you tell them not to circumcise their children or observe the customs. 22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 So do what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow. 24 Join these men, go through the rite of purification with them, and pay for the shaving of their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself observe and guard the law. 25 But as for the Gentiles who have become believers, we have sent a letter with our judgement that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.’


The sabbath observance was for the Israelites/Jews alone. The sabbath was never a requirement for the Gentile converts to Christianity.

If you desire to observe the sabbath of the Jews, you may certainly do this. Every person has free will.

As for the early Church, the established oral tradition was for them to gather on the first day of the week, the Lord's Day, to worship. This oral tradition has been handed down in Christ's church since His teaching them to do this after His resurrection from the dead on the first day of the week. There was no need to put this in a letter. Every Christian in every town or city was taught by word of mouth that they were to meet at so and so's home on the first day of the week for worship.


2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
And what Jew was there when the Creator made the Sabbath for man and blessed and sanctified it.
Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Genesis 2:1-3
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
 
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And what Jew was there when the Creator made the Sabbath for man and blessed and sanctified it.
Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Genesis 2:1-3
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The fact is that after Jesus rose from the dead, he instructed his followers to both fellowship together and to worship God on the first day of the week. This practice has been personally and faithfully handed down by his church leaders from generation to generation for 2000 years so far.

2 Timothy 2:2 and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these things to faithful men, who will also be able to teach others.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

John 21:25 Now there are many other things which Jesus did as well; if they were written down one after the other, I imagine that not even the world itself could contain the books that would be written.


That is why we Christians continue to obey what Jesus personally taught his apostles and disciples to do. We have our weekly worship on Sunday because that is what Jesus commanded us to do.

Jesus is God, and therefore he is Lord of the Sabbath, and as we do know, he did not keep the rules of the Sabbath. That is one of the reasons they killed him.

Matthew 12:7-9 And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of man is lord of the sabbath.

John 5:18 This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God.


Jesus finished the first covenant with his death on the cross. He ratified his New Covenant by his death on the cross. Jesus changed the priesthood for his New Covenant, and he changed the laws for his church. Jesus is both God and man, and so he can change the laws for his New Covenant.

Hebrews 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Jesus also changed the dietary laws for his church, and he did this as well because he is God.

Mark 7:18-20 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man.

You will never be able to convince the majority of Christians to return to the first covenant's laws because Jesus finished all of them with his death on the cross. The Natural Law commandments of the first covenant were specifically tailored to what the Israelites needed to be their laws. The Natural Law commandments for the New Covenant Christians, which we call the Ten Commandments, have been tailored specifically for us and our needs, and so we are commanded to keep holy the Lord's Day.
 
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The fact is that after Jesus rose from the dead, he instructed his followers to both fellowship together and to worship God on the first day of the week.
Can you please point to this scripture. That’s a mighty big statement and none of the scriptures you posted say Jesus said to worship Him on the first day thus saith the Lord. All the thus saith the Lords in scripture say to keep and not profane the Sabbath. Jesus said not one jot or tittle could be changed from His law as no one is above the Authority of God. Your church admits to changing the Sabbath not based on the Authority of scripture, but their own authority.

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Sunday is a Catholic tradition- changed just a predicted Dan 7:25 the Sabbath is one of God’s commandments written and spoken by God that no one has the Authority to change one jot or tittle. It’s always better to obey God- He will only lead us on the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
 
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Can you please point to this scripture. That’s a mighty big statement and none of the scriptures you posted say Jesus said to worship Him on the first day thus saith the Lord. All the thus saith the Lords in scripture say to keep and not profane the Sabbath. Jesus said not one jot or tittle could be changed from His law as no one is above the Authority of God. Your church admits to changing the Sabbath not based on the Authority of scripture, but their own authority.

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Sunday is a Catholic tradition- changed just a predicted Dan 7:25 the Sabbath is one of God’s commandments written and spoken by God that no one has the Authority to change one jot or tittle. It’s always better to obey God- He will only lead us on the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
It was Jesus, after his resurrection, who changed the worship day for Christians to Sunday. His church's leaders simply obeyed Jesus' command.

Jesus commanded Sunday worship. His church's leaders obeyed him. His church's leaders did not change the worship day arbitrarily.

There is no scriptural authority because the apostles, by word of mouth, told everyone in their local church to meet at a particular person's home in their own area for Sunday worship.


2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

John 21:25 But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.


Justin Martyr FIRST APOLOGY, circa 153-155 A.D., CHAPTER LXVII -- WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRISTIANS.
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things,

We Catholics have kept the oral tradition of the apostles. In this oral tradition is Jesus' command to keep holy the Lord's Day.

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul was holding a discussion with them; since he intended to leave the next day, he continued speaking until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever extra you earn, so that collections need not be taken when I come.



Why do you believe in scripture alone? This is not scriptural!

Jesus' church had both an oral tradition and a letter tradition. There were no bibles in those days.


2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.



The first covenant and its laws and Sabbaths were finished with Jesus Christ's death on the cross. After Jesus' resurrection, he made new laws for his New Covenant. One of these new laws is Sunday worship for all Christians, both Jew and non-Jew.
 
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It was Jesus, after his resurrection, who changed the worship day for Christians to Sunday. His church's leaders simply obeyed Jesus' command.

Jesus commanded Sunday worship. His church's leaders obeyed him. His church's leaders did not change the worship day arbitrarily.
Again, no scripture says this. Claiming Jesus said this outside of scripture is as good as saying Judas didn't betray Jesus. We can say anything we want, doesn't make it so. Scripture warns us of going outside the bible for our path and says its danger Isa 8:20- God's Word is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105 Adding to God's Word comes with a warning Pro 30:5-6

Jesus from His own mouth said when we keep traditions in lieu of the commandments of God one worships in vain, and their heart is far from Him Mat 15:3-14 as He taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting from the Ten Mat 5:19-30 as breaking one is breaking them all James 2:10-12. The apostles kept every Sabbath Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus commissioned Mat 28:18-20 and He taught not one jot or tittle could be changed Mat 5:18-30 as no one is above God- God said to Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy- Exo 20:8-11 Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and said it was made for us Mark 2:28 and everyone who loves and serves Him Isa 56:1-6. Keeping God's Sabbath the way He wrote and spoke is God's Authority- forgetting the Sabbath and changing times and laws Dan 7:25 is the authority we are waned about.


We need to come out of these false teachings before its too late Rev 18:4

Friend you are trusting in the wrong authority.

Their authority

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

God's Authority

Psa 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet
And a light to my path.


Their authority

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

God's Authority

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.


Their mark

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

God's Seal

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath contains the three elements of a seal:
Name: Lord thy God
Title: Creator
Territory: Heaven and Earth

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’


Their authority

Tradition, not Scripture, is the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built.
—Adrien Nampon, Catholic Doctrine as Defined by the Council of Trent, p. 157

God's Authority

And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men


At the end it will come down to our worship. In vain by keeping the traditions of man or following God and obeying His commandments just the way He wrote and spoke and no one has Authority over God.

Rev 14: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Or the antidote we can obey God which is true worship.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Obeying God and His Authority reconciles through faith

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul was holding a discussion with them; since he intended to leave the next day, he continued speaking until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever extra you earn, so that collections need not be taken when I come.
None of these scriptures you posted are proof that Jesus changed the Sabbath from Sabbath to Sunday. In fact it says nothing about worship or changing the Sabbath commandment- Jesus already said clearly not one jot or tittle would pass from His law meaning nothing as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t could change from God's law because no one is above God's Authority. Trust His teachings He will never lead us astray, but only back on the narrow path back to Him.

The apostles broke bread daily Acts 2:46 which does not mean every day is holy or a day of worship, it means they ate daily. God made it clear- 6 days are meant for work Exo 20:6 the seventh day is My holy day Isa 58:13 and we are commanded to keep His Sabbath day holy as well Exo 20:8 as we are made in the image of God to follow Him, not do our own thing.

Putting aside extra money does not say its a new day of worship. Christ already claimed His day Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13 and its eternal Isa 66:22-23
 
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It was Jesus, after his resurrection, who changed the worship day for Christians to Sunday. His church's leaders simply obeyed Jesus' command.

Jesus commanded Sunday worship. His church's leaders obeyed him. His church's leaders did not change the worship day arbitrarily.

There is no scriptural authority because the apostles, by word of mouth, told everyone in their local church to meet at a particular person's home in their own area for Sunday worship.


2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

John 21:25 But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.


Justin Martyr FIRST APOLOGY, circa 153-155 A.D., CHAPTER LXVII -- WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRISTIANS.
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things,

We Catholics have kept the oral tradition of the apostles. In this oral tradition is Jesus' command to keep holy the Lord's Day.

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul was holding a discussion with them; since he intended to leave the next day, he continued speaking until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever extra you earn, so that collections need not be taken when I come.
Why do you believe in scripture alone? This is not scriptural!
That's a very difficult question for Protestants to wrap their mind around :) And I say that as someone who's mostly Protestant :heart:

Jesus' church had both an oral tradition and a letter tradition. There were no bibles in those days.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.



The first covenant and its laws and Sabbaths were finished with Jesus Christ's death on the cross. After Jesus' resurrection, he made new laws for his New Covenant. One of these new laws is Sunday worship for all Christians, both Jew and non-Jew.
 
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Again, no scripture says this. Claiming Jesus said this outside of scripture is as good as saying Judas didn't betray Jesus. We can say anything we want, doesn't make it so. Scripture warns us of going outside the bible for our path and says its danger Isa 8:20- God's Word is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105 Adding to God's Word comes with a warning Pro 30:5-6

Jesus from His own mouth said when we keep traditions in lieu of the commandments of God one worships in vain, and their heart is far from Him Mat 15:3-14 as He taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting from the Ten Mat 5:19-30 as breaking one is breaking them all James 2:10-12. The apostles kept every Sabbath Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus commissioned Mat 28:18-20 and He taught not one jot or tittle could be changed Mat 5:18-30 as no one is above God- God said to Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy- Exo 20:8-11 Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and said it was made for us Mark 2:28 and everyone who loves and serves Him Isa 56:1-6. Keeping God's Sabbath the way He wrote and spoke is God's Authority- forgetting the Sabbath and changing times and laws Dan 7:25 is the authority we are waned about.


We need to come out of these false teachings before its too late Rev 18:4

Friend you are trusting in the wrong authority.

Their authority

Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

God's Authority

Psa 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet
And a light to my path.


Their authority

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

God's Authority

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.


Their mark

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

God's Seal

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath contains the three elements of a seal:
Name: Lord thy God
Title: Creator
Territory: Heaven and Earth

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’


Their authority

Tradition, not Scripture, is the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built.
—Adrien Nampon, Catholic Doctrine as Defined by the Council of Trent, p. 157

God's Authority

And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men


At the end it will come down to our worship. In vain by keeping the traditions of man or following God and obeying His commandments just the way He wrote and spoke and no one has Authority over God.

Rev 14: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Or the antidote we can obey God which is true worship.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Obeying God and His Authority reconciles through faith

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.


None of these scriptures you posted are proof that Jesus changed the Sabbath from Sabbath to Sunday. In fact it says nothing about worship or changing the Sabbath commandment- Jesus already said clearly not one jot or tittle would pass from His law meaning nothing as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t could change from God's law because no one is above God's Authority. Trust His teachings He will never lead us astray, but only back on the narrow path back to Him.

The apostles broke bread daily Acts 2:46 which does not mean every day is holy or a day of worship, it means they ate daily. God made it clear- 6 days are meant for work Exo 20:6 the seventh day is My holy day Isa 58:13 and we are commanded to keep His Sabbath day holy as well Exo 20:8 as we are made in the image of God to follow Him, not do our own thing.

Putting aside extra money does not say its a new day of worship. Christ already claimed His day Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13 and its eternal Isa 66:22-23

You believe God's word is scripture only. This is not even scriptural.

Scripture refutes your dogma of scripture alone!

2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then,
brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

I cannot continue a conversation with anyone who denies the fact that God's word was handed down by word-of-mouth tradition and by letter, aka scripture tradition. Both traditions are equally important.
 
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That's a very difficult question for Protestants to wrap their mind around :) And I say that as someone who's mostly Protestant :heart:
I agree that this can be difficult to accept if scripture alone is what you have always been taught. :)
 
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You believe God's word is scripture only. This is not even scriptural.

Scripture refutes your dogma of scripture alone!

2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then,
brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

I cannot continue a conversation with anyone who denies the fact that God's word was handed down by word-of-mouth tradition and by letter, aka scripture tradition. Both traditions are equally important.
I believe you are reading into this verse and making it say more than what it means and not reconciling other parts of scripture such as not going outside of God's Word because there is no light meaning its not coming from God. Isa 8:20

Jesus also in His own Words tells us if we keep our traditions over the commandments of God - quoting right from the Ten- one heart is far from Him- is that what a believer wants- to have our hearts far from God which is opposite of the New Covenant- God's law written by God in our hearts. Heb 8:10. While some traditions are fine- it's when they lead us away from God's Word Isa 8:20- away from God's commandments Mat 15:3-14- it is literally taking one down the wrong path and a path that leads one in a ditch Mat 15:14. We have free will, but its not the direction I would want to go. Jesus tells us not a jot or tittle can be removed from His law until all is fulfilled which is when Jesus returns. His teachings will lead us on the path back to Him Rev 22:14 we just need to place our faith in Him and trust His Word.
 
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