Chairman Mao’s America – We Still Have a Choice, The Chinese Did Not

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Hi, millennial here. I don't consider myself "brainwashed" like the article says. I was raised by two really conservative parents in a really conservative area: I'm a democratic socialist because I've turned against the ideologies I was indoctrinated into. I don't think the article was written to reason with millennials (lol); it was written to rile up old people on the extreme right who don't like millennials and don't want to understand their points of view.
 
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Hi, millennial here. I don't consider myself "brainwashed" like the article says. I was raised by two really conservative parents in a really conservative area: I'm a democratic socialist because I've turned against the ideologies I was indoctrinated into. I don't think the article was written to reason with millennials (lol); it was written to rile up old people on the extreme right who don't like millennials and don't want to understand their points of view.

Would you tell us how you decided to turn against one ideology and embrace another. Did you one day decide to independently study all ideologies look at the objective pros and cons of each ideology and weigh the consequences to society of each, without any outside influencers other than your parents, and then choose one? If so, you would be the first one I have encountered that has come to their particular present POV using that method.
 
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Would you tell us how you decided to turn against one ideology and embrace another. Did you one day decide to independently study all ideologies look at the objective pros and cons of each ideology and weigh the consequences to society of each, without any outside influencers other than your parents, and then choose one? If so, you would be the first one I have encountered that has come to their particular present POV using that method.

The American economic system "broke" for Millennials in 2008, it hasn't been fixed yet by the Boomers running it, and clearly doubling down on the same old thing won't work because even Boomers admit the scenario has changed. The old Indian proverb, "When the horse you're riding is dead, get another horse" applies.

Millennials are also better connected internationally than Boomers were (and are), and sitting on a dead horse they have binoculars to see who else is riding healthy horses...and sure enough, some other people are.
 
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Hi, millennial here. I don't consider myself "brainwashed" like the article says. I was raised by two really conservative parents in a really conservative area: I'm a democratic socialist because I've turned against the ideologies I was indoctrinated into. I don't think the article was written to reason with millennials (lol); it was written to rile up old people on the extreme right who don't like millennials and don't want to understand their points of view.
I have to say, I don't know that you read the article with a clear head, if at all , or all the way through however, your laughter and labeling of the right sounds more like you have family issues unresolved. And maybe that's why you turned from your families values and to the ultra-extremist left.

Your criticisms don't reflect the article content at all.
Please address the article.
 
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The American economic system "broke" for Millennials in 2008, it hasn't been fixed yet by the Boomers running it, and clearly doubling down on the same old thing won't work because even Boomers admit the scenario has changed. The old Indian proverb, "When the horse you're riding is dead, get another horse" applies.

Millennials are also better connected internationally than Boomers were (and are), and sitting on a dead horse they have binoculars to see who else is riding healthy horses...and sure enough, some other people are.

I'm sorry but did you quote the wrong person? I do not see the relevance of your post to the question I asked of pakicetus.

However, if you wish me to address the subject you are bringing up. The current American system of crony capitalism is indeed unhealthy. Remove the current policy of government attempting to guide the market based upon political considerations while protecting the crony large banks and mega corporations from their own mistakes and abuses through bailouts and regulations aimed at discouraging new competition.and instead allow free market forces to guide the market and private concerns rise or fall on their merits rather than their political connections and you will have taken a step along the road to revitalization of the American economy. Only one step true , but a step forward is better than continuing to move in the opposite direction.
 
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I don't think the article was written to reason with millennials (lol); it was written to rile up old people on the extreme right who don't like millennials and don't want to understand their points of view.

And it demonstrably accomplished it's goal.
 
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Hi, millennial here. I don't consider myself "brainwashed" like the article says. I was raised by two really conservative parents in a really conservative area: I'm a democratic socialist because I've turned against the ideologies I was indoctrinated into. I don't think the article was written to reason with millennials (lol); it was written to rile up old people on the extreme right who don't like millennials and don't want to understand their points of view.
Conservatives don't indoctrinate. American conservationism is based in the belief in individual liberty, and ensuring that choices are available. Those who believe in liberty present people with choices and freedom.

Describing parenting by conservative parents as 'indoctrination' is indicative of the authoritarianism of the left, which sneers at anyone with a different point of view.
 
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Conservatives don't indoctrinate. American conservationism is based in the belief in individual liberty, and ensuring that choices are available. Those who believe in liberty present people with choices and freedom.
No, it was definitely indoctrination. My parents not only disagreed with liberals but openly hated them, and everything they told me about politics implied that liberal ideas were not even worth considering.

I remember my parents both telling me when I was five that poor people were all lazy and stupid, and that I would one day make tons of money because I was super brilliant. My mom told us to be patient with her only poor friend because he was "too stupid to graduate college," when none of us had graduated elementary school. Meanwhile, my dad would scream and throw stuff at fast-food workers when they got his order wrong, telling them that he was a lawyer and they were "drug users" who would one day be replaced by machines. He used to complain about black women who birthed huge litters of children to get a larger and larger welfare check from our tax dollars, and he told me many times that poor people should be sterilized so they couldn't "pollute the gene pool" (which he still says, by the way). Every time he heard about a poor person who recently died (usually on the news), he'd remark that it was "Darwin in action," then grumble that they "probably already had kids." It happened enough that to this day, whenever I hear that someone has died, my brain automatically asks whether their death was likely to hurt or improve the world's genotypic intelligence.

When I was nine, and America's first gay marriage happened in Massachusetts, my dad told me (along with my two triplet brothers and my seven-year-old sister) that it was "sick" and "disgusting" and "unnatural." Then he had to explain what gay people were—which kinda confused us, because we had no idea what sex was.

My mom made sure we went to church every week, and read the Bible to us every day until we were old enough to read it ourselves. We were never encouraged to question a word of it, not even the story that Jonah lived inside a whale or everyone came from Noah's family. She assured us that any doubts we may have were caused by Satan putting them into our brains (a belief which terrified my brother until he became an atheist). That's not "indoctrination"?

Starting when I was, I dunno, nine, both my parents would tell us that most scientists didn't accept global warming, that the whole theory was a giant hoax perpetrated by the media and fringe scientists to push left-wing economic policies, and that global warming was the only reason we weren't in an ice age. I remember trying to point out the obvious inconsistency and getting yelled at for my "anti-American Marxist-Leninism."

My mom home-schooled us from second grade onward to stop us from being influenced by the "liberal education system." She kept us home-schooled by saying if we ever went back to public school, the other kids would laugh at us for being ignorant and socially awkward and we'd make no friends.

Before I went to kindergarten, my dad would sing patriotic songs to me every night (most of which glorified war), and tell me that America was the richest, best country in the world with the smartest scientists and the strongest military. In his mind, America never did anything wrong except occasionally indulge in too much empathy: we'd "civilized" the Native American "savages," enslaved and segregated blacks who "couldn't handle" equality (he's black himself, but never mind), avenged "the Muslims" for 9/11 by invading Iraq, and mercifully bombed "the enemy" in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII ("the Japs" were lucky we hadn't killed every single Japanese man, woman, and child like they deserved). Anyone who doubted American supremacy was either a jealous foreigner or an "America-hating liberal."

I can go on and on if you want.
Describing parenting by conservative parents as 'indoctrination' is indicative of the authoritarianism of the left, which sneers at anyone with a different point of view.
No, it's indicative of me understanding my own upbringing better than you do.

I don't even buy the idea that most conservative parents don't indoctrinate. Look at the number of conservatives who want schools to indoctrinate other people's children into being loyal patriotic Christians who reflexively respect authority. 73% of Republicans say schools should teach patriotism over critical thinking.
 
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Your criticisms don't reflect the article content at all.
They do, actually. The second sentence describes millennials as "the young, educated, and liberal-leaning voters that we have prepped with liberal indoctrination for about one full generation." It then goes on to compare the "Marxist" indoctrination of millennials to Mao's indoctrination of the Chinese: "The sudden onslaught of Marxist ideology in China was forced on them by Mao. In America it has been fed to our young, a spoonful at a time over the last full generation. They have now grown up and are paralleling the behavior of the Chinese youth to the letter." Sooo, I responded by saying I'm a millennial and I was never indoctrinated into my socialist beliefs. Seems pretty on-topic.
your laughter and labeling of the right sounds more like you have family issues unresolved. And maybe that's why you turned from your families values and to the ultra-extremist left.
Yeah that's probably part of the reason. There's always a psychological explanation for our beliefs, no matter how rational they are. After all, our minds are shaped by genetics and environment, underlayed by the laws of physics. The important question is not what caused my beliefs but whether they make sense.
 
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They do, actually. The second sentence describes millennials as "the young, educated, and liberal-leaning voters that we have prepped with liberal indoctrination for about one full generation." It then goes on to compare the "Marxist" indoctrination of millennials to Mao's indoctrination of the Chinese: "The sudden onslaught of Marxist ideology in China was forced on them by Mao. In America it has been fed to our young, a spoonful at a time over the last full generation. They have now grown up and are paralleling the behavior of the Chinese youth to the letter." Sooo, I responded by saying I'm a millennial and I was never indoctrinated into my socialist beliefs. Seems pretty on-topic.
Thanks for adding that.

Yeah that's probably part of the reason. There's always a psychological explanation for your beliefs, no matter how rational they are. After all, your mind is shaped by genetics and environment, underlayed by the laws of physics. The important question is not what caused your beliefs but whether they make sense.
Right back at you. First Whale, is it? pakicetus

I'd love to know the inspiration for choosing that name if you would be so kind. I adore whales and dolphins too.

Meaning, when saying , right back at you, that at this stage it is a goose and gander allegory.
All that personal, 'you', pertains to all people in this politicized world. It's politics of the body and of the mind.

We are all what you describe there.
 
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First Whale, is it? pakicetus

I'd love to know the inspiration for choosing that name if you would be so kind. I adore whales and dolphins too.
My dad named me Pakicetus because he's always been into cetaceans. You're the first person in years who knows what it means. A lot of people think it's a Pan-African name.

I'm reading a book right now called The Walking Whales: From Land to Water in Eight Million Years. It's written by Hans Thewissen, the paleontologist who discovered Ambulocetus. It's a really detailed book—the beginning goes on and on about the structure of the cetacean ear—but so far it has some really interesting information I didn't know about. You know whales still have vestiges of their hind legs buried inside their bodies, detached from the rest of their skeletons? (Their front legs still exist too, but as flippers.) That's especially true of really old whales: Basilosaurids lived over 40 million years ago, and they'd already lost their ability to move around on land, yet they still had tiny knees and toes! Every cetacean has hind limb buds as an embryo, as well, and occasionally one is even born with external hind limbs if something weird happens in development. Behold this dolphin, for example:

dolphin_limbs_02.jpg

"eeeeek eeeeek eeeek I shouldn't exist!"

Do you know about wholphins? They're freakish hybrids of a bottlenose dolphin and a false killer whale. To give you an idea of how physically impossible that should be, here's a bottlenose and a false killer whale together:

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yes, the black one is bigger

According to Wikipedia, "wholphins are extremely intermediate between both parents. Since a bottlenose may have about 88 teeth and a false killer whale has about 44, a wholphin will have 66." What I'd like to know about hybrids between wildly different animals is this: how does it affect the brain? Isn't it surreal that two different brains that evolved in really different circumstances can just combine like that? Yet a wholphin doesn't know that. It thinks its brain is normal.
 
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I'm sorry but did you quote the wrong person? I do not see the relevance of your post to the question I asked of pakicetus.

However, if you wish me to address the subject you are bringing up. The current American system of crony capitalism is indeed unhealthy. Remove the current policy of government attempting to guide the market based upon political considerations while protecting the crony large banks and mega corporations from their own mistakes and abuses through bailouts and regulations aimed at discouraging new competition.and instead allow free market forces to guide the market and private concerns rise or fall on their merits rather than their political connections and you will have taken a step along the road to revitalization of the American economy. Only one step true , but a step forward is better than continuing to move in the opposite direction.

Well, that's not going to happen with either of the major candidates in this election.
 
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