Biden Leads by 10% Among Seniors in very recent polls

[Fantine]

This is especially positive news because seniors not only vote more than other demographic groups but are crucial to Trump in swing states like Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and others.

“Trump has suffered a double whammy with seniors from the coronavirus crisis, both in terms of a dislike for his personal demeanor and disapproval of his policy priorities,” said Geoff Garin, a Democratic strategist. “If there’s a durable change with older voters, it could well cost Trump the election.”

Seniors disliked his:

• prioritizing the economy over their lives
• dispensing "misleading, conflicting, and often alarming" information at his briefings
• sending Pence to deliver empty boxes of PPE's to nursing homes
• rejecting expanded enrollment periods to the ACA for recently uninsured younger seniors
• calling for the ACA to be completely overturned
• saying he would be "open to cutting safety-net programs,"

"n Mr. Biden, however, Mr. Trump is also competing against a candidate whom many older voters view as an appealing alternative to Mr. Trump in a way that they never viewed Mrs. Clinton in 2016, strategists in both parties said. Mr. Biden’s campaign officials credit his appeal with older voters to their view of him as a moderate, politically, and as a compassionate person who has suffered his own string of personal tragedies."

Trump's continued talk of pushing for a payroll tax cut would obviously, if enacted, completely bankrupt the Social Security and Medicare programs that the Treasury has borrowed from for decades--both of which he would like to ax completely (along with many if not most other Republicans).

Trump beat Clinton among seniors by 5 percentage points, but my confidence in my fellow seniors has been restored as they prepare to make expendable the President who thinks that their lives are expendable. Turnabout is not only fair play--it is rescuing our democracy for their children and grandchildren.

Anxious About the Virus, Older Voters Grow More Wary of Trump

 

[dqhall]

This is especially positive news because seniors not only vote more than other demographic groups but are crucial to Trump in swing states like Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and others.

“Trump has suffered a double whammy with seniors from the coronavirus crisis, both in terms of a dislike for his personal demeanor and disapproval of his policy priorities,” said Geoff Garin, a Democratic strategist. “If there’s a durable change with older voters, it could well cost Trump the election.”

Seniors disliked his:

• prioritizing the economy over their lives
• dispensing "misleading, conflicting, and often alarming" information at his briefings
• sending Pence to deliver empty boxes of PPE's to nursing homes
• rejecting expanded enrollment periods to the ACA for recently uninsured younger seniors
• calling for the ACA to be completely overturned
• saying he would be "open to cutting safety-net programs,"

"n Mr. Biden, however, Mr. Trump is also competing against a candidate whom many older voters view as an appealing alternative to Mr. Trump in a way that they never viewed Mrs. Clinton in 2016, strategists in both parties said. Mr. Biden’s campaign officials credit his appeal with older voters to their view of him as a moderate, politically, and as a compassionate person who has suffered his own string of personal tragedies."

Trump's continued talk of pushing for a payroll tax cut would obviously, if enacted, completely bankrupt the Social Security and Medicare programs that the Treasury has borrowed from for decades--both of which he would like to ax completely (along with many if not most other Republicans).

Trump beat Clinton among seniors by 5 percentage points, but my confidence in my fellow seniors has been restored as they prepare to make expendable the President who thinks that their lives are expendable. Turnabout is not only fair play--it is rescuing our democracy for their children and grandchildren.

Anxious About the Virus, Older Voters Grow More Wary of Trump

Trump asked for cuts to Social Security and Medicare. This is not popular with retirees.

He said Obamacare should be eliminated.

 

[jgarden]

Biden Leads by 10% Among Seniors in very recent polls

The most recent poll in Texas has Biden tied with the President - if Trump loses Texas, its time to "turn out the lights, the party's over!"

Turn out the lights, the party's over
They say that, 'All good things must end'
Let's call it a night, the party's over
And tomorrow starts the same old thing again

What a crazy, crazy party
Never seen so many people
Laughin', dancin'
Look at you, you're havin' fun

But look at me I'm almost cryin'
That don't keep her love from dyin'
Misery, 'cause for me the party's over
- Willie Nelson

 

[Albion]

This is especially positive news because seniors not only vote more than other demographic groups but are crucial to Trump in swing states like Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and others.

Well, everybody's crucial, depending on who is writing the editorial.

Seniors are crucial, Millennials are crucial, suburban women are crucial, independents are crucial, Latinos are crucial. We take our pick and feel encouraged to think that the one we've deemed "really, really crucial" will carry the day for our preferred candidate.

 

[jgarden]

Well, everybody's crucial, depending on who is writing the editorial.

Seniors are crucial, Millennials are crucial, suburban women are crucial, independents are crucial, Latinos are crucial. We take our pick and feel encouraged to think that the one we've deemed "really, really crucial" will carry the day for our preferred candidate.

This President has already lost the women's vote - there just aren't enough older white males living in the South and Mid-West to re-elect Trump even with the inherent advantage he receives from the Electoral College that negates the popular vote!

 

[A_Thinker]

Well, everybody's crucial, depending on who is writing the editorial.

Seniors are crucial, Millennials are crucial, suburban women are crucial, independents are crucial, Latinos are crucial. We take our pick and feel encouraged to think that the one we've deemed "really, really crucial" will carry the day for our preferred candidate.

It is (and will be) a coalition ...

 

[Fantine]

The point is that Trump had enjoyed a five point advantage over Clinton, whereas he is at a ten point deficit with Biden---a net loss of 15% of senior support.

And he has caused this problem for himself. Candidates can't get away with telling their most medically vulnerable constituents that their lives are less important than the success of his hotels, and that patriotic seniors would be happy to risk their lives to fatten his bottom line.

 

[Albion]

The point is that Trump had enjoyed a five point advantage over Clinton, whereas he is at a ten point deficit with Biden---a net loss of 15% of senior support.

You may be correct about that and Biden should be encouraged, when reading the polls.

But the point here started out to be about crucial segments of the voting public, certain groups, specifically seniors. As usual, the discussion almost immediately went off-track.

 

[A_Thinker]

Candidates can't get away with telling their most medically vulnerable constituents that their lives are less important than the success of his hotels, and that patriotic seniors would be happy to risk their lives to fatten his bottom line.

Yeah ... that really doesn't work ...

 

[Fantine]

While the public as a whole votes, if a candidate suddenly develops a 15 point deficit from the group that had previously put him over the top--when he lost the popular vote to start with, "winning" the election because of a mere 77,000 votes, spread over three states, that eked out an electoral college win for him, that is hopeful.

Especially if that demographic vote tends to vote in larger numbers than any of the others.

Where will he make up that deficit? Among people of color? He's burned that bridge numerous times. Suburban women? That ship sailed away from him over the past few years. Young people? I think his support has never been any higher than 20-25%.

 

[jgarden]

You may be correct about that and Biden should be encouraged, when reading the polls.

But the point here started out to be about crucial segments of the voting public, certain groups, specifically seniors. As usual, the discussion almost immediately went off-track.

Given that seniors are the one group that has borne the brunt of the pandemic, early testing would have done much to limit the spread of the virus in nursing homes before residents started becoming ill and dying!

Seniors should take note that while everyone surrounding the President and Vice President are tested on a daily basis, Trump haven't seen fit to invoke the Defense Production Act so that this courtesy could be extended to protect the most vulnerable members of society!

 

[Albion]

Given that seniors are the one group that has borne the brunt of the pandemic, early testing would have done much to limit the spread of the virus in nursing homes before residents started becoming ill and dying!

The most important point in all of this might be that it's too early to bank on how any segment of society is going to vote in November. That's because polls are fluid and also because the impact of the pandemic on this segment of the population or that segment is yet to play out.

Expect a lot to happen between now and election day.

 

[Fantine]

I don't think we can expect Putin to pull a rabbit out of a hat like last time.

When a president's reputation is destroyed so completely--and so deservedly--it us unlikely to recover.

Fool them once, shame on him.

Fool them twice, are they completely cray-cray?

Seniors are showing they're a lot smarter than you think.

 

[DerSchweik]

Interesting poll. The candidate who doesn't know where he is is polling higher with voters who don't know where they are either.

 

[Evan Jellicoe]

You may be correct about that and Biden should be encouraged, when reading the polls.

But the point here started out to be about crucial segments of the voting public, certain groups, specifically seniors. As usual, the discussion almost immediately went off-track.

The discussion started with talking about the senior vote. It did not get diverted to talking about all the different voting groups until Post #4. But now it seems to be safely back on track for discussing the senior vote, which is indeed a crucial segment of Trump's support and is the whole point of this thread.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

You guys enjoy your polls while you can. If the dems are silly enough to actually keep Biden around, he will be crushed by Trump.

 

[hislegacy]

Trump asked for cuts to Social Security and Medicare. This is not popular with retirees.

He said Obamacare should be eliminated.

Fact Check: Donald Trump Did Not Say He Would Cut Social Security and Medicare

 

[jgarden]

Thursday, May 14
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
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New Jersey: Trump vs. Biden Rutgers-Eagleton Biden 56, Trump 33 Biden +23


Wednesday, May 13
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
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General Election: Trump vs. Biden CNN Biden 51, Trump 46 Biden +5
General Election: Trump vs. Biden Economist/YouGov Biden 47, Trump 43 Biden +4
President Trump Job Approval Reuters/Ipsos Approve 41, Disapprove 57 Disapprove +16
President Trump Job Approval Politico/Morning Consult Approve 42, Disapprove 52 Disapprove +10
President Trump Job Approval Economist/YouGov Approve 47, Disapprove 51 Disapprove +4
2020 Generic Congressional Vote Economist/YouGov Democrats 48, Republicans 41 Democrats +7
Congressional Job Approval Economist/YouGov Approve 20, Disapprove 53 Disapprove +33
Direction of Country Economist/YouGov Right Direction 31, Wrong Track 58 Wrong Track +27
Direction of Country Politico/Morning Consult Right Direction 34, Wrong Track 66 Wrong Track +32
Direction of Country Reuters/Ipsos Right Direction 28, Wrong Track 60 Wrong Track +32


Tuesday, May 12
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
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Wisconsin: Trump vs. Biden Marquette Biden 46, Trump 43 Biden +3
Ohio: Trump vs. Biden Emerson Trump 46, Biden 43 Trump +3
Texas: Trump vs. Biden Emerson Trump 47, Biden 41 Trump +6
California: Trump vs. Biden Emerson Biden 59, Trump 29 Biden +30
President Trump Job Approval CNN Approve 46, Disapprove 51 Disapprove +5
President Trump Job Approval The Hill/HarrisX Approve 51, Disapprove 49 Approve +2

RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls
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Trump knows that he will never win the national popular vote so once again his only path to victory goes through the Electoral Collage with him relying on an assortment of Southern and Mid-Western states!

There are however 6 swing states that are crucial to Trump's success - Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin!

With Trump's recent drop in the polls, not only are all 6 of these in jeopardy, but Georgia and Texas are now in play - were the President to lose any of these 8 states, his prospects are severely diminished!

 

[tulc]

Fact Check: Donald Trump Did Not Say He Would Cut Social Security and Medicare

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/6/21168038/trump-on-entitlements-fox-news-town-hall

Trump’s remarks came in the context of a discussion about the national debt, which has ballooned to historic levels under his presidency despite his 2016 campaign promise to eliminate it entirely. After Trump claimed that cutting the debt would be a focus of his second term, host Martha MacCallum pointed out that “if you don’t cut something in entitlements, you’ll never really deal with the debt.”

But before “you’ll never really deal with the debt” even escaped MacCallum’s lips, Trump interjected to agree with the first part of her statement — that cuts to programs like Social Security and Medicare will be necessary to get the debt under control.

“Oh, we’ll be cutting,” he said. “We’re also going to have growth like you’ve never seen before.”

That his supporters and administration keep having to do spin control doesn't change the fact that President Trump has repeatedly said he wants to make cuts in those programs.
tulc(might also point out that his article is from March of this year while hislegacy's is from Jan)

 

[Evan Jellicoe]

Trump has very plainly promised never to touch Social Security and Medicare, and I know people who sincerely believe that he intends to stand by that promise. But when he proposes to suspend the payment of Social Security taxes by business, he is following the Republican playbook. First you reduce funding for entitlement programs. Then, after a while, you look at the budget and announce that, sadly, there is no choice but to reduce spending for this program, because the money just isn't there.

And remember, fiscal conservatives believe that the government shouldn't be in the "charity business" in the first place. In their ideal society, there is no such thing as Social Security. If they can't actually abolish it, they can--and do--try as hard as they can to reduce what the program costs. Seniors who understand this and vote for their own enlightened self-interest are going to vote Democratic.