antichrists, false christs, The Antichrist

[St Phoebe]

Just the facts
Yes I do believe that Azazel (the scape goat) is the devil. The reason why I think Azazel is satan is you have to understand the context of the seven Jewish feasts and the four fulfilled already, we will see the last 3 feasts being fulfilled in the final stages of the end time and the devil being the scapegoat of the feast of atonement does make sense to me in that way. The book of Enoch is not in the christian bible today therefore whatever is in the Bible today is just the facts whatever other sources to me is just additions. God has given us enough in the bible no matter who tried this or that, His Holy Spirit will reveal. Revelation 16: 13 says and I saw three unclean spirits ( isn't that demons) coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. The Sons of God being fallen angels??? I am not too sure hey as I have always believed that the angels had no genitalia - the Sons of God and the daughters of man I believe was referred to as the descendands of Cain (not God following) and the descendants of Seth (God following) not God following people like the Philistines for example and isn't Goliath was a giant. I do believe that the demons are the spirits of the devil and his fallen angels. Genesis 7: 21 & 22 says all flesh died that moved upon the face of the earth, both of fowl and of cattle, and the creeping things, and the beast and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the face of the earth, and every man (sons of God or man, all died). All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man and cattle, creeping things fowls of heaven. do not undestand the Nephilim concept so well. Maybe the fallen angels are in the pit but the spirit of them will possess the antichrist.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Phoebe

You seem to not understand a very basic truth.

Demons are spirits and need to posses a human to act in the temporal world.

Angels are not spirit only beings. Angels do not need to posses to act in the temporal world.

Paul makes it very clear an Angel could be standing right beside you and you would never know.

Heb:13:2: Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

This reality is also clear in the story of Lot.

So it is your position that the Sons of God are just sons of man. So why and how did they breed Giants. We know that these Giants were over 16 feet tall.

I believe you are mistaken in your view on Azazel being Satan. Azazel is the Beast. But the beast is not Satan. They are clearly defined as being different beings. The belief that the Beast is a man possessed by the devil denies the fact that Satan is an Angel who does not need to posses a person to act in this world.

Satan could be sitting beside you and you would never know. Azazel is locked in the pit. Satan roams the Earth.

I think you should take a new look at this.

 

[St Phoebe]

Hi JTF

If demons are spirits, whose spirits are they and where do they come from.

and if Goliath was a giant, was he the son of a fallen angel?

I believe the antichrist is a man not a fallen angel

2 Thess 2: 3 let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. In my opinion this scripture refers to antichrist and Son of perdition was also referred to Judas and he was not a fallen angel. Your quote: The belief that the Beast is a man possessed by the devil denies the fact that Satan is an Angel who does not need to posses a person to act in this world. In Luk 22: 3 then Satan entered Judas - why did Satan have to enter Judas to act in this world.
where are all the fallen angels now, are they in the bottomless pit, if yes then what about the sons of God, the fallen angels that had children with the daughters of man, were they not suppose to be in the bottomless pit.
some suggest that Azazel is just a Hebrew word for scapegoat. Azaz meant rugged and El strong so later the rabbis referred to the meaning of the name of the scapegoat to point out to the rough and rugged mountain cliff from which the goat was cast down.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hello Phoebe

Demons are the spirits of the Nephilim.

There is two trains of thought on why there where Giants after the flood.

1. That a second group of Angels took human wives.
2. Noah's wife or his son's wives were contaminated with the gene or were themselves children of the Nephilim.

I believe that the second is what happened. Look at what happens with Noah

22: And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23: And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. 24: And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

So Canaan seems to be contaminated with the sexual lust of the Fallen Angels. Canaan descendants settle Sodom and Gomorrah God destroys them with fire from heaven.

It gets even more interesting because it is the descendants of Canaan that God orders Joshua to wipe from the face of the earth. Why does the God of Love and Peace order every man woman and child of the lands settled by the sons of Canaan destroyed.

3: So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining.4: And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan.5: All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many.6: And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.

Now we know Og was at least 16 feet tall.

Deut:3:11: For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

Num:13:33: And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

15: And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, 16: And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, 17: And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, 18: And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad. 19: And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

God ordered the Israelites to war to destroy these peoples who were all decendants of the giants.

Many believe the Israelites were the only pure Humans all other humans were contaminated with the Nephilim DNA. That is why God orders the Israelites not to take wives from the nations. But they disobey and all humans become contaminated with Nephilim DNA.

The whole concept of original sin is based on a washed down understanding of this Truth. In their battle with the Gnostics the Orthodox / Catholic Bishops banned every book that teaches the whole story. Not because of this truth but to deny and destroy any verses that could be misconstrued to back the Gnostic view of the substance of God.

how can a just born baby be corrupted ..................The Answer is their DNA is corrupted.

So if the AC is a man which dead man do you believe rises from the pit. The Beast IE the AC comes from the pit.

 

[Bible2]

Just The Facts said in post 64:

So if the AC is a man which dead man do you believe rises from the pit. The Beast IE the AC comes from the pit.

"Beasts" can refer figuratively to men (Titus 1:12). Revelation uses a Greek masculine-pronoun "him" to refer to its beast (Revelation 13:8) when it's referring to the individual "man" (Revelation 13:18) aspect of its beast, commonly called the Antichrist, the individual "man of sin" (2 Thessalonians 2:3) who will sit in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). He will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and himself (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9). He will rule the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:5-10, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7), and will have a miracle-working False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13), who by amazing, Satanic miracles (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9), such as calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13), will deceive the people of the world into worshipping a speaking (possibly an android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15), and receiving a mark of the Antichrist's name or gematrial name-number (666) on their right hand or forehead (Revelation 13:16-18). The Antichrist and his False Prophet will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:20), whereas at that time Satan will be bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3).

A 2nd aspect of Revelation's beast is that it's a powerful fallen angel (referred to with a Greek masculine-pronoun "he" in Revelation 17:11) who is now literally in the bottomless pit and will ascend from it during the future tribulation to spiritually empower the empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 17:8-11), empire being a 3rd aspect of the beast, represented by the animal symbols of Revelation 13:1-2. The fallen-angel aspect of the beast could be the angelic prince whom Satan had assigned to spiritually empower the ancient empire of Babylon, just as Satan had assigned other fallen angelic princes to spiritually empower the subsequent ancient empires of Persia and Greece (Daniel 10:13,20). When the ancient empire of Babylon was defeated, the fallen angelic prince empowering it could have been cast into the bottomless pit. This same fallen angel could be released to empower a revival of the empire of Babylon during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18).

The release of the powerful fallen angelic prince of Babylon from the bottomless pit could occur at the same time as the unbinding of 4 other powerful fallen angels now bound at the Euphrates (Revelation 9:14b), who could have been bound there at the fall of the ancient empire of Babylon. When these 4 fallen angels are released at one point during the future tribulation, they will cause an army of 200 million weird horse-like beings to kill 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:15-19). This could be done in order to make mankind completely desperate before its total takeover by Satan and the Antichrist mid-tribulation, when Satan and his fallen angels will be cast down from heaven to the earth permanently after losing a mid-tribulation war in heaven (Revelation 12:7 to 13:18).

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi B2

Well you have so many assumption in the above I am not sure where to start.

First a Beast is never directly a man. As explained in Daniel it is both a Kingdom and the King that fulfills a specific event.

17: These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

First they are Kings because it is a specific event....... the rise of the Empire is always because of a King who creates the Kingdom.

23: Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,

Then we are told it is a Kingdom because a Kingdom carries on after the death of the Founding King. Showing us this is not about one Kings lifetime.

You can not let your understanding of Greek Grammar over ride God's explanation of what a Beast is.

So when scripture calls an Individual a Beast it is because the Individual is the King of the Kingdom during a specific event usually the Founding of the Kingdom.

This tells us something very specific about the Beast in the pit. It is called a Beast because he is the King of the Kingdom during a specific event most likely its founding.

Next there is absolutely nothing to say the Fallen Angel was the Prince of Babylon.

The reality is the Beast in the Pit was already locked in the pit long before the time of Jesus and according to Enoch before the flood so before Babylon.

If you truly believe that the 200,000,000 are some weird horse / human creature you need to re-examine your understanding Horsemen means they are ridding horses.

12: And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten,

Consider this We are told 1/3 of the Sun goes dark if that is because of Sun Spots and Corona Mass ejections IE Solar Flares then all electrical fields on earth could be wiped out for as long as it goes on.....That means No electricity no cars, no planes...nothing....most electronics exposed would be fried instantly and by exposed I mean not protected by special shielding...Now a lot of military equipment is protected by shielding However none of the support is. None of the oil wells none of the pumps none of the pipelines none of the refineries when those resourses run out it is over Thus we are returned to armies on horseback.

Think that sounds far fetched then read this

Solar Flare poses huge threat: Column

They talk of one event taking out power and everything for a year. that was from one tiny sun spot IE: one small flare ....now expand that effect out to 1/3 of the sun..........1 minute of exposer would burn you like the worst sun burn.

8: And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

Not saying that it is how it will be but it sure makes one think.

 

[St Phoebe]

JFT quote, So if the AC is a man which dead man do you believe rises from the pit. The Beast IE the AC comes from the pit.

maybe not a dead man but the spirit of a dead man
Some say the king of Tyre is a code name for antichrist that spirit of the king of Tyre from the bottomless pit will possess the AC. The Prince of Tyre was involved in the building of Solomons temple and Solomon asked of him to send him cedar wood and gold and masons and lots of things to help complete the temple. Read 2 Chron 2 What I figured out about this story is that the king of Tyre most probably became jealous (the image of jealousy that Ezekiel spoke about) as there were many temples in Lebanon but none so beautiful and renowned as the temple of God. Read Ezek 27 & 28.