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"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13

The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.



Until you read the actual Bible.

There you find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"

The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.


And of course

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.



In the dark ages when someone wanted to slander a given denomination with false accusation after false accusation - they simply ignored every Bible text in the discussion and proceeded to "quote themselves" as their "source and reference" for every false accusation that they made.

I think we all can see that clearly -

Please join us in the 21st century - start with actual fact.

And you get to the facts by ignoring or taking out of context...

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?



October 22, 1844 ???


Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White:
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13

The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.



Until you read the actual Bible.

There you find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"

The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.


And of course

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.



In the dark ages when someone wanted to slander a given denomination with false accusation after false accusation - they simply ignored every Bible text in the discussion and proceeded to "quote themselves" as their "source and reference" for every false accusation that they made.

I think we all can see that clearly -

Please join us in the 21st century - start with actual fact.



again - you ignore every text given in the discussion. Were we simply "not supposed to notice"?

The facts are clearly seen in the texts as posted - the texts you ignore.

Even 1 John 3:4 "SIN iS transgression of the LAW" is being ignored in your quote of 1 John 3!!!


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Does not say "because we ignore His commandments".



1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world.

Notice that in Col 2 - Paul does not condemn eathing, or drinking or the observance of what God calls "my Holy Day... the Holy Day of the Lord" Isaiah 58:13.

Moses said that we should not "Take the Name of the Lord Thy God in vain" -- Exodus 20 -- and yet some will unwittingly argue that if God spoke in the OT - then Christians should ignore what God said!!!??

Contrast that man-made-tradition to what Christ said about it in Mark 7:6-13 (For those who "claim" they serve Christ by trashing the Word of God)

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.


Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


October 22, 1844 ???


Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White:

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


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hint - your need to ignore every text in the post you respond to -- 'noted'.

your snippet quote of Galatians consistently ignores the fact that even Galatians 3 admits that the Ten Commandment law of God continues to bind - continues to be defining sin - just as Rom 3:19-21 says... just as Romans 7 says... just as 1 John 3:4 says... just as James 2 says...
 
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October 22, 1844 ???


Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White:

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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Since you repeatedly post that off-topic material and don't seem to know what you are linking too - I have started a thread for you - in a discussion area where your post is not simply a derailing CF forum rules breaking off-topic post.

2 minutes ago #1


hint: Your linked site says this --

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6. December, 1844--Ellen Harmon's First Vision Changed Her Mind About the Significance of the "7th Month Experience."

Under date of May 30, 1847, James White wrote:

When she received her first vision, Dec. 1844, she and all the band in Portland, Maine, (where her parents then resided) had given up the midnight-cry, and shut door, as being in the past. It was then that the Lord shew her in vision, the error into which she and the band in Portland had fallen. She then related her vision to the band, and about sixty confessed their error, and acknowledged their 7th month experience to be the work of God.--James White, A Word to the Little Flock, p. 22.

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Do you even know what you are linking to???

If so - then go to the thread started for your benefit and show us your case.
 
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The debate is not whether or not Jesus was raised from the dead on week-day-1 which is Sunday.

Not sure why you keep circling back to that.

In other words - this thread is not about rejecting a week-day-1 (which is Sunday) resurrection of Christ. Rather that is a "given"

Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday.

You seem to enjoy repeating the part of the discussion that is not being challenged/questioned/debated by either side.

Is there some "reason" for that???



The Sabbath was old and Sunday in new.

Hint: we have had a 7 day week since Genesis 1.

Try something with an actual Bible quote.

Why do you ignore every text posted - and then stick to the pattern of no-texts-at-all in your arguments?

What is the purpose of that?
 
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Indeed "one day of rest" -- which is specifically "the 7th day" not merely "one day in 7". For as we see in Exodus 16 "tomorrow is the Sabbath" -- it is the 7th day.

Bible details matter.



Your video not withstanding - the Bible details as noted above - "remain"
While all the Bible details we post are ignored or thrown out. Never figured out just how that works?

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The Sabbath was old and Sunday in new.

If avoiding Bible texts is the form of discussion you want --

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So then what would be an example of such pro-Sunday scholarship that pertains to the 7 point summary list just posted?

Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19
"Westminster Confession of Faith"
Chapter XIX
Of the Law of God
I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.
VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace

VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.
 
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"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13

The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.



Until you read the actual Bible.

There you find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"

The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.


And of course

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


While all the Bible details we post are ignored or thrown out. Never figured out just how that works?
bugkiller

It is just that Bible-avoidance posts like that - in response to the texts given for this topic - are pretty obvious to all of us.
 
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"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13
Who is you in your verse?
The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28
Yeppers!!!!
So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
Not as you intend this verse to mean. For it to mean what you want it to you make Moses a liar because he said it was given to Israel opposed to mankind.
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.
Yes from... to all men will worship God.[
Until you read the actual Bible.
When did you do such a thing?
There you find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.
This is not the law issued at Mt Sinai.
And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"
Why are you saying still valid, when Paul does not?
The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.
The house of Israel is not the house of Christians.
And of course

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
You seem to miss the big blue word.
In the dark ages when someone wanted to slander a given denomination with false accusation after false accusation - they simply ignored every Bible text in the discussion and proceeded to "quote themselves" as their "source and reference" for every false accusation that they made.
Just exactly like you do. I remember something about doing to other like you want them to do to you. In this case what goes around comes around.
I think we all can see that clearly -

Please join us in the 21st century - start with actual fact.
Great idea.
again - you ignore every text given in the discussion. Were we simply "not supposed to notice"?
Yes we notice you ignore the Scripture we post.
The facts are clearly seen in the texts as posted - the texts you ignore.
Your supposed facts.
Even 1 John 3:4 "SIN iS transgression of the LAW" is being ignored in your quote of 1 John 3!!!
No it isn't. You ignore the first part of the verse to establish your false doctrine.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight

Does not say "because we ignore His commandments

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
And Who do we dwell in? Isn't it Jesus
and He in us? You really need to consider the rest of the Bible.
1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world.
You just quoted the passage saying we are to keep the commandments of Jesus which can not be the commandments of the Father according to JN 15:10
Notice that in Col 2 - Paul does not condemn eathing, or drinking or the observance of what God calls "my Holy Day... the Holy Day of the Lord" Isaiah 58:13.
Sure we don't eat or drink God's Holy Day.
Moses said that we should not "Take the Name of the Lord Thy God in vain" -- Exodus 20 -- and yet some will unwittingly argue that if God spoke in the OT - then Christians should ignore what God said!!!??
This has nothing to do with the argument except it all or nothing. The pro grace side of this argument do not accept any part of the law while you do in defiance of James and Paul in the Christian Scriptures.
Contrast that man-made-tradition to what Christ said about it in Mark 7:6-13 (For those who "claim" they serve Christ by trashing the Word of God)
Since we are not under the law your tradition is man (er woman) made.

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Who is you in your verse?Yeppers!!!!Not as you intend this verse to mean. For it to mean what you want it to you make Moses a liar because he said it was given to Israel opposed to mankind.Yes from... to all men will worship God.[When did you do such a thing?This is not the law issued at Mt Sinai.Why are you saying still valid, when Paul does not?The house of Israel is not the house of Christians.

all that is false - not in the Bible - and purely made-up

I prefer the actual Bible.
 
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hint - your need to ignore every text in the post you respond to -- 'noted'.

your snippet quote of Galatians consistently ignores the fact that even Galatians 3 admits that the Ten Commandment law of God continues to bind - continues to be defining sin - just as Rom 3:19-21 says... just as Romans 7 says... just as 1 John 3:4 says... just as James 2 says...
You can not quote a single verse from the NT binding the Christian to the covenant issued at Mt Sinai.

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Since you repeatedly post that off-topic material and don't seem to know what you are linking too - I have started a thread for you - in a discussion area where your post is not simply a derailing CF forum rules breaking off-topic post.
No it is not off topic because you preach the doctrine of your church and not the truth of the Bible.

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your snippet quote of Galatians consistently ignores the fact that even Galatians 3 admits that the Ten Commandment law of God continues to bind

I am glad you referred to Galatians chapter 3 since it says the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Paul also makes it clear in the chapter that the law cannot annul the promise made to Abraham and also says that our inheritance does not come through the law.

Galatians 3:16-29


Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White:
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

October 22, 1844 ???


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Why then are you ignoring Rev 1:10?

bugkiller

Why don't you quote it and make an actual point before making that false accusation???

In the mean time --


"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Do we then make VOID the Law by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish THE Law" Rom 3:31

1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture,You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

In Protestantism one of the key elements is "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and practice - and not so much focus on simply "ad hominem" to make a point. As I am sure we would all agree.

So then how is that "Sola Scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition stated in the Bible?

Well we find one example of "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


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Rejecting the teaching of Christ "is a bad thing"
 
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Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


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hint - your need to ignore every text in the post you respond to -- 'noted'.

your snippet quote of Galatians consistently ignores the fact that even Galatians 3 admits that the Ten Commandment law of God continues to bind - continues to be defining sin - just as Rom 3:19-21 says... just as Romans 7 says... just as 1 John 3:4 says... just as James 2 says...


I am glad you referred to Galatians chapter 3 since it says the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

hint: Both Galatians 3 AND Romans 3:19-21 say that the LAW of God still condemns all mankind under sin - to this very day it defines sin and those who sin are condemned until they accept the Gospel.

The point remains.

What is more your bending of the Galatians 3 text is refuted in Genesis 26:5 as we all know by now.

Galatians 3 refers to the giving of the Law "in stone" on Sinai - it is not saying that the Law was not already there as stated in Genesis 26:5.

Your solution of "holding your Bible at a sufficient distance" is not working -- and we all know it.




 
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