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Just because science may have a different meaning for the word theory does't mean that it doesnt use theory by its other definition as well.
Who are you... Humpty Dumpty?

Don't you think when people tell you that they use a word with a specific meaning in a certain situation... that they mean it? Are you completely unable to accept that other people mean what they say?
 
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That isn't evidence of anything divine. That's just as easily explained...indeed better explained...by an evolved survival instinct.



I have a meaningful existence without any notion of God.



"Neurological conditions" aren't necessarily meaningless.


eudaimonia,

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You dont seem able to comprehend my observation because you seem to have closed your mind to the boundaries of science, as if what you feel cannot be observed scientifically because you cant put it under a microscope. It must be observed with the heart, not the eyes.
 
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Who are you... Humpty Dumpty?

Don't you think when people tell you that they use a word with a specific meaning in a certain situation... that they mean it? Are you completely unable to accept that other people mean what they say?

I understood. I understand what science means by theory, but it doesnt change the fact that science is a lot of guess work, thats why it uses trial and error to discover things. That trial and error is based on a theoretical and unproven idea. You guys are just playing word games because you feel the need to dodge the fact that evolution is unproven and flawed as well.
 
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I understood. I understand what science means by theory, but it doesnt change the fact that science is a lot of guess work, thats why it uses trial and error to discover things. That trial and error is based on a theoretical and unproven idea. You guys are just playing word games because you feel the need to dodge the fact that evolution is unproven and flawed as well.
So, when something is based on "trial and error", it is unproven and flawed?

Doesn't that rather contradict the concept of "trial and error"... which assumes that you try until you get it right? And try again to show that you got it right? And again?`

Which is what science did with the theory of evolution. You simple assertion that "it is unproven and flawed" does nothing to change that.

Yes, it is "unproven". Theories don't get proven. But to show that is is "flawed"... you would have to show the "error". So try and show the error! Do science!
 
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Thats ridiculous.

Do you live in Stalinist Russia?

Once again the dear old atheist tries to play the hard done by card.They always seem to come up with responses that suggest the world is according to them. They have a distinct lack of ability to see beyond you in your small corner and I in mine. Because they do not personally do or say what is being suggested then it does not happen.

Well I have got news for you, cultural stalinism is alive and well in western society and hardly a day goes by that some atheist or atheist organisation is going about their business doing their best to be a pain in the backside to a christian or some christian organisation who said or did something that they didn't like. Whereas most people would let sleeping dogs lie the atheists are not happy unless they are stirring the pot.

Likewise, we are being taken to task by the gaystapo if you disagree with them about all things homosexual. To them, having an alternative view means that you are homophobic or a bigot or hateful or intolerant or speak evangelical claptrap and if you really get their goat all hell is let loose and you are hauled before the courts or human rights commission [sic] and you may lose your job, your house, your business, and your reputation.

Although they constantly bleat about tolerance it is very obvious that they are the most intolerant people on earth. As one of them said "you can believe what you want as long as you keep your mouth shut." So much for freedom of speech.
 
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Once again the dear old atheist tries to play the hard done by card.They always seem to come up with responses that suggest the world is according to them. They have a distinct lack of ability to see beyond you in your small corner and I in mine. Because they do not personally do or say what is being suggested then it does not happen.

Well I have got news for you, cultural stalinism is alive and well in western society and hardly a day goes by that some atheist or atheist organisation is going about their business doing their best to be a pain in the backside to a christian or some christian organisation who said or did something that they didn't like. Whereas most people would let sleeping dogs lie the atheists are not happy unless they are stirring the pot.

Likewise, we are being taken to task by the gaystapo if you disagree with them about all things homosexual. To then, having an alternative view means that you are homophobic or a bigot or hateful or intolerant or speak evangelical claptrap and if you really get their goat all hell is let loose and you are hauled before the courts or human rights commission [sic] and you may lose your job, your house, your business, and your reputation.

Although they constantly bleat about tolerance it is very obvious that they are the most intolerant people on earth. As one of them said "you can believe what you want as long as you keep your mouth shut." So much for freedom of speech.
You have freedom of speech. You don't have the freedom to immunise your speech from criticism.
 
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I'm not. Your response doesn't even address my point, which is that you are using the word 'theory' incorrectly.


No im not using it incorrectly. I have only suggested that scientific theory if vulnerable to fallacy. You want to deny this by playing a word definition game
 
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No im not using it incorrectly.
Yes, you are.
I have only suggested that scientific theory if vulnerable to fallacy. You want to deny this by playing a word definition game
Please don't be dishonest. I never suggested that scientific theories are infallible.
 
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Being a questioning type of guy. I always wondered if the 6,000 estimate was based on fiction.

In a time of high infant mortality, no protection from diseases, a simple ailment could kill. Would it make sense to tell people the prophets were so good, they lived 100s of years. No one has ever found bones to prove it. So James Ussher's calculations are all wrong. We know they are wrong, because he didn't know the exact date of their death. And we now have scholars who think the word day is a bad translation.

"The Hebrew word yom has three literal meanings - a 12-hour period of time (sunrise to sunset), a 24-hour period of time from sunset to sunset (the Hebrew day), and an indefinite period of time."

So could be 6 days, or 3 billion years.

YOu forget that the bible taught the Israelite's to protect themselves from Germs before science ever discovered them. While Egypt was putting dung in medicine, Israel had purity laws which protected them from germs and many other things too. God gave them those laws.
 
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Yes, you are.

Please don't be dishonest. I never suggested that scientific theories are infallible.

Plaese dont debate the word theory then. If scientific theory is vulnerable to fallacy then my definition of theory seems to fit.
 
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I'm sorry, where have I done that? Have I said that churches cannot be built? Have I said that people cannot worship whatever gods they choose? I haven't. Do you want to give your cloak to somebody? Knock yourself out; I'm not stopping you.

No one has said you have done that. The writer was speaking generically and if the cap fits wear it. I have plenty of stories on my computer that I have gathered over the last two years that tell the story of atheists who are determined to stop any expression of christianity even to the point when the deed done is to relieve suffering and want.

It seems that atheists put more value in ideology than doing good and helping others. I note that of the 25 main charities in my country, 18 of them are christian and none of them are atheist. The other seven are not christian but they are not atheist. Shows you how uncaring atheists are.
 
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Plaese dont debate the word theory then. If scientific theory is vulnerable to fallacy then my definition of theory seems to fit.
You don't want to understand, do you?

Your "theory" is "The gardener is the murderer!"
Scientific theory is "Fingerprints, DNA tests, witness testemonies, exonerating circumstances, alibis... with all things considered, it was the driver who done it!"
 
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No one has said you have done that. The writer was speaking generically and if the cap fits wear it. I have plenty of stories on my computer that I have gathered over the last two years that tell the story of atheists who are determined to stop any expression of christianity even to the point when the deed done is to relieve suffering and want.
In regard to the derailed discussion in this thread: I don't believe you. I think you are lying. But because I am a scientifically minded guy, I ask you to present your evidence for testing.
 
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Actually, I think that people can discern what is meaningful and purposeful to them. I don't think that it is a pure invention.

What makes you think that I would want to deny Christians the right to be Christians? I'm in favor of freedom of religion.

Do you think that discussing religion with you somehow prevents you from leading a Christian lifestyle? How is that accomplished?eudaimonia,Mark

You may be in favour of freedom of religion but there are plenty of atheist out their who are determined to push the line of freedom from religion. Richard Dawkins said in a TV programme that now that religion is losing its influence the world is a better place.

Of course it is a better place if you place your head in the sand and ignore the fact that there are more wars going on in the history of mankind now than at any other time.

Ignore we are murdering millions of babies in the womb every year, in greater numbers than ever before.

Ignore that sex slavery is rampant worldwide with 22 million women and children slaves to it.

Ignore that suicide is rising all the time amongst young people.

Ignore that poverty has increased dramatically in the last 10 years.

Ignore that domestic violence is on the rise.

Ignore that the sexual abuse of children is increasing.

Ignore that children as young as 10 are accessing inappropriate contentography on the internet.

Ignore that 62% of black children in America grow up without a father.

Despite all this yes, the world is a better place. Don't make me laugh.
 
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In regard to the derailed discussion in this thread: I don't believe you. I think you are lying. But because I am a scientifically minded guy, I ask you to present your evidence for testing.

Typical atheist response. You are lying or it is not true. As Jack Nicholson said In "A Few Good Men" "You can't handle the truth."

Oh and by the way. Scientifically minded people don't say "you are lying" or "I don't believe you." Only people who want to obfuscate the truth say that.
 
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