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Do Baptists Believe They Are The Only True Religion?
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Just thought I would share my thoughts here. I am sure Christ hates the division in the body, however, I am sure he understands it better than anyone. I have found that most people who attend one denomination or another do so because it was the denomination they were influenced with as a child. This is why it seems closer to truth to them. Not everyone of course, but most.
The fact is that there is no true denomination. Virtually every one of them have doctrinal errors.
I was fortunate as a youth to be brought up in a Baptist Church until I was 6. It was there that I first went forward and accepted Jesus into my heart.
But my parents quit going to church. I think because my dad was confused about God. But they let us kids go because a church bus passed our house every week. It took us 5o a Gospel Hall church and dropped us off later and gave us a chocolate bar. At this church we learned a lot about David and were taught that the word was important but I don't recall much mention of the Holy Ghost.
When I was 10 we moved 5 hours north close to a friend of my dad's from his youth. This guy was a Jehovah's Witness. Most of there teaching was about the love, lambs laying with lions, how bad the Catholic Church was, that the gifts of the spirit were only for the 12 apostles, Jesus was the Arch-angel Michael, etc, etc
Well by the time I was 13 I was totally confused. I quit churches and lived a life just trying to love everyone. I thought no one could really know if God existed. People would come to my door trying to get me saved and I would invite them in and try my very best to explain that they were wasting their lives.
Boy was I dumb.
When I was 33 a Pentecostal truck driver explained how the NWO was coming and was predicted in the bible. He explained how the Catholic Church fit the description of Babylon the Great and explained how they worship Mary and the saints; how they prosecuted non Catholics during the crusades; how they took poor widows money promising their drunken deadbeat relatives would be guaranteed salvation through their gifts, the list went on and on.
Well after looking in his bible and reading for myself as he lead me through prophecy of Israel and Islam and much more it wasn't long before I realized Jesus was the son of the most high God who died for my sin and rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven until God sends him back and how he sent us the Holy Ghost to comfort us, give spiritual gifts and lead us into all truth.
But one of the first realizations I was given was that though Jesus is in the hearts of millions in every believing denomination, not one of the denominations had it all right. None!
Each has some truth and some born again members, even the Catholics, though his word warns them to get out of her, but each has error as well. If we love the truth and seek her with all our hearts then we will know the truth and it will set us free.
So I challenge you Baptists and Lutherans and any others, to seek the truth and spit out the lies. It is not easy, believe me, but if you are willing the rewards are awesome. You will learn things you know not of. You will see things you have never seen. You will hear God speak to you clearer than you ever did before. And if you are willing and obedient when He tells you to do something, you will receive your reward.
You are invited to his banqueting table and the banner over you is love.
The fact is that there is no true denomination. Virtually every one of them have doctrinal errors.
I was fortunate as a youth to be brought up in a Baptist Church until I was 6. It was there that I first went forward and accepted Jesus into my heart.
But my parents quit going to church. I think because my dad was confused about God. But they let us kids go because a church bus passed our house every week. It took us 5o a Gospel Hall church and dropped us off later and gave us a chocolate bar. At this church we learned a lot about David and were taught that the word was important but I don't recall much mention of the Holy Ghost.
When I was 10 we moved 5 hours north close to a friend of my dad's from his youth. This guy was a Jehovah's Witness. Most of there teaching was about the love, lambs laying with lions, how bad the Catholic Church was, that the gifts of the spirit were only for the 12 apostles, Jesus was the Arch-angel Michael, etc, etc
Well by the time I was 13 I was totally confused. I quit churches and lived a life just trying to love everyone. I thought no one could really know if God existed. People would come to my door trying to get me saved and I would invite them in and try my very best to explain that they were wasting their lives.
Boy was I dumb.
When I was 33 a Pentecostal truck driver explained how the NWO was coming and was predicted in the bible. He explained how the Catholic Church fit the description of Babylon the Great and explained how they worship Mary and the saints; how they prosecuted non Catholics during the crusades; how they took poor widows money promising their drunken deadbeat relatives would be guaranteed salvation through their gifts, the list went on and on.
Well after looking in his bible and reading for myself as he lead me through prophecy of Israel and Islam and much more it wasn't long before I realized Jesus was the son of the most high God who died for my sin and rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven until God sends him back and how he sent us the Holy Ghost to comfort us, give spiritual gifts and lead us into all truth.
But one of the first realizations I was given was that though Jesus is in the hearts of millions in every believing denomination, not one of the denominations had it all right. None!
Each has some truth and some born again members, even the Catholics, though his word warns them to get out of her, but each has error as well. If we love the truth and seek her with all our hearts then we will know the truth and it will set us free.
So I challenge you Baptists and Lutherans and any others, to seek the truth and spit out the lies. It is not easy, believe me, but if you are willing the rewards are awesome. You will learn things you know not of. You will see things you have never seen. You will hear God speak to you clearer than you ever did before. And if you are willing and obedient when He tells you to do something, you will receive your reward.
You are invited to his banqueting table and the banner over you is love.
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7101 wrote " We are not protestants..."
Now that's almost news to me. I have read (I thought it historical only) that there was a line of belief which declared baptists to have a continuous existence back to the time of the first Christians. I did not know it was still held by some, rather than the Baptists having arisen out of Holland and England at the time of the reformation, very much from the protestant side of that great argument and division.
I have certainly met Baptist individuals and congregations who believe that they alone are real, true, saved Christians. But then I have met more than one group of believers who firmly maintain that anyone who does not exclusively use the King James Bible is not a true Christian and does not have salvation.
Now that's almost news to me. I have read (I thought it historical only) that there was a line of belief which declared baptists to have a continuous existence back to the time of the first Christians. I did not know it was still held by some, rather than the Baptists having arisen out of Holland and England at the time of the reformation, very much from the protestant side of that great argument and division.
I have certainly met Baptist individuals and congregations who believe that they alone are real, true, saved Christians. But then I have met more than one group of believers who firmly maintain that anyone who does not exclusively use the King James Bible is not a true Christian and does not have salvation.
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There are those in every denomination who believe theirs is the only true denomination. Even in the non denominational, which can now be called a denomination. As for the King James Version, from what I have been able to discern it is the purest English version. How anyone could believe it the only true version for salvation is beyond me. They all say repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved....
Pride is ugly and religious pride is blind.
Pride is ugly and religious pride is blind.
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I suggest you read the New Testament, particularly the 4 main gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Acts as well. Before you start to read, pray for the Holy Spirit to speak the truth to your heart and for the Holy Spirit to guide you in all areas of your life. The Holy Spirit never lies, there is no confusion when the comforter teaches you this way and you will grow in your relationship with God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I have been in the Lutheran, Baptist and Methodist churches plus others and they all believe they're right. The bible is Gods word, it's the only book I will read. Sadly the mainline churches do not follow all the teachings of the Holy Spirit. I was so confused with all these different churches and their beliefs, I ended up praying to God the Father for the real truth, I am not taught by any Minister of God, I lost trust in them and their true motives. For many years now I have been lead through Gods Spirit, I have grown in understanding, Gods love, Gods forgiveness and my Faith is built in name of Jesus Christ, that is the only body I will respond too, it's the only one I can trust. My life has been transformed, every time I hear the song Amazing Grace, I remember how Gods grace and mercy has restored my life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believed him would not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16.
Many people go to church each Sunday, with some people that is as far as it goes, but my relationship with the Lord is every second I breath. Gods word is food to my Spirit. I talk to God like you would talk to your Dad. I want him to guide me in all that I do. If you want the true Church, its being part of the body of Christ, this is not anything on this earth or any of these so called churches. Wherever I am or worship God is my church. Many blessings my friend I hope I have helped you understand
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When I was growing up, the first several years it was a Methodist church for about the first 8 years, then until about age 12 it was a Congregational church, from 13-21 it was a non-denominational church, 22-44 four different Baptist churches, and now the Gospel church.
All the non-denominational churches and Baptist churches we have used the King James Version and New King James Version of the Bible. These churches are they type where you show up with your Bible and read from them and follow along. If you forget yours at home, they have extras for you to borrow so you don't feel lost while going along. We don't pull out a verse or part of verse, we pull out entire passages so we get what the entire passage is trying to tell us and so we don't misinterpret what is being said. I have always liked churches that do this and this is how I do my own Bible studies in my own personal time. When a child is learning a verse and doesn't understand the verse, we open the Bible and go back to the beginning of the passage and read to the end and then we go through it together so they understand it. This just makes for good study habits in the future and it also makes for good practice for them learning their way around the Bible...books and chapters.
It is amazing how many kids think they have never sinned. I like to use the scenario of "have you ever stolen a cookie from the cookie jar" All of them say yes, well that is sin and sin is bad. We have to ask for forgiveness for that sin from our Lord and also ask forgiveness from Mom & Dad for doing it as well. Then instead of stealing it, just ask. If they say no, there is a reason and you have to respect that. While the temptation to do it again is there, go someplace and pray to God to take away the temptation like having him give you something else to do to take your mind off those cookies. This is one of the object lessons we teach them and we back it up with a verse like James 2:10- For whosover shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Which means that if we break one of God's laws then we have broken them all and that it is only by God's grace and mercy that he forgives us by the shedding of Jesus' blood on the cross for our sin, but we must first accept him into our hearts and believe what he has done for us. There is more to this message that we share with the kids. But this is really a good illustration on how they sin without realizing they sin.
All the non-denominational churches and Baptist churches we have used the King James Version and New King James Version of the Bible. These churches are they type where you show up with your Bible and read from them and follow along. If you forget yours at home, they have extras for you to borrow so you don't feel lost while going along. We don't pull out a verse or part of verse, we pull out entire passages so we get what the entire passage is trying to tell us and so we don't misinterpret what is being said. I have always liked churches that do this and this is how I do my own Bible studies in my own personal time. When a child is learning a verse and doesn't understand the verse, we open the Bible and go back to the beginning of the passage and read to the end and then we go through it together so they understand it. This just makes for good study habits in the future and it also makes for good practice for them learning their way around the Bible...books and chapters.
It is amazing how many kids think they have never sinned. I like to use the scenario of "have you ever stolen a cookie from the cookie jar" All of them say yes, well that is sin and sin is bad. We have to ask for forgiveness for that sin from our Lord and also ask forgiveness from Mom & Dad for doing it as well. Then instead of stealing it, just ask. If they say no, there is a reason and you have to respect that. While the temptation to do it again is there, go someplace and pray to God to take away the temptation like having him give you something else to do to take your mind off those cookies. This is one of the object lessons we teach them and we back it up with a verse like James 2:10- For whosover shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Which means that if we break one of God's laws then we have broken them all and that it is only by God's grace and mercy that he forgives us by the shedding of Jesus' blood on the cross for our sin, but we must first accept him into our hearts and believe what he has done for us. There is more to this message that we share with the kids. But this is really a good illustration on how they sin without realizing they sin.
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We must not believe Yhwh can be served as we see fit but most that are sincere believe they are doing it right...truth is we must come to the place of trusting Him to fashion and make us before our thought of howto get Him to move in our life become clearly silly. Consider the following info
http://rickrosamond2.blogspot.com/2015/01/why-are-there-so-many-denominations-and.html
http://rickrosamond2.blogspot.com/2015/01/why-are-there-so-many-denominations-and.html
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What do you mean by "religion"? There is a difference between a religion and a relationship with Christ.
I attend an independent fundamental Baptist church myself. Why? Because they teach out of the only accurate English translation we have--the King James Bible.
Lutheranism is Catholicism Lite, and Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity. Christianity is NOT a religion, but rather a relationship with Christ. Religion is rites and rituals. Christianity is receiving the gift of eternal life. HUGE difference!
I attend an independent fundamental Baptist church myself. Why? Because they teach out of the only accurate English translation we have--the King James Bible.
Lutheranism is Catholicism Lite, and Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity. Christianity is NOT a religion, but rather a relationship with Christ. Religion is rites and rituals. Christianity is receiving the gift of eternal life. HUGE difference!
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I can say that there are those from our church that use the ESV and NIV and that makes them no less a Christian than the rest of us, yes it makes it a little more confusing when they read from their Bible when others of us are reading in the NKJV or KJV. But like I said that is our church. Maybe we are more accepting of people of different faiths and of those using different Bibles
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Your explanation on the pastor is the most logical one here. You also make many other good points as well. After reading most all the posts in here, I will share a bit of what I feel is the best approach with one's faith. I've been a Catholic, attended Pentecostal Churches for many of the 19 years of my salvation, and between that have attended Baptists churches as well albeit in the N.E. I'm sure it doesn't compare to the southern version.
Here is my conclusion to how every professed "Born Again" Christian should walk regardless of your denomination. Live by faith, not by sight, trust in the Lord for all things. Abide in Him DAILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and He will abide in you. Seek a sensitive heart to any and all sinful behavior at all times. Judge no one lest you be judged accordingly. Read the bible daily for it is your bread of life, speak to the Lord about all things and seek HIS WILL daily. Do these things not because you will put notches on your belt but because it's a hearts desire within you to do so.
But above all else, do not be deceived for many will come in His name. Right now because I've just relocated South, I'm not attending a church at the moment and frankly although I'm now in the Bible Belt I am more concerned about finding the right church than anything else. Church for me is fellowship, serving, and most of all worship. But I hear on Christian radio the announcer talking about people in church bringing other Christian's into sin and it seems common and I do realize that in all churches there will be GOATS among the sheep. Goats defined; [Gossipers and the like which are mentioned in Proverbs 6:16-19] but boy with these mega churches my first impression is it seems rampant. Secondly, my brother tells me to attend his church, but we'll be looking at a simulcast sermon rather than the actual pastor!!! Again....WHAT!!
Church today seems to be all of what people want to have rather than seeking what the Lord would have for THEM! Look, if I meet any person from any denomination who believes how I believe [as stated about] and lives for Christ daily then in my book they are saved.....even a Catholic!!! The Lord judges the heart not the works. Making your own special wine will not elevate you to a higher calling, rolling in the isles will not fill you with more of the Holy Spirit than any another person, accepting all walks [and not be told to repent such as homosexuals] of life to help grow your church will not cut it either.
So for me my life centers all around one nugget of truth found in 1 John 2:28 " And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."
If Christ were to arrive today would you truly be ready to left your arms to Him knowing that in your every day walk it was lived for Him and not for man or yourself!? Or...would you be one of millions who will lower his or her head in shame knowing that your actions do not desire His arrival. It's not that I live in condemnation daily but more so having a strong desire to serve Him daily. There is a big difference!
Bless you all.
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Hum...Sounds like this Baptist Pastor has some real issues to work out. Even within the Baptist faith there are many, many divisions in their faith. Which does He follow? Let's see now there's the "First Baptist Church" , "Faith Baptist", "Reformed Baptist" and so on and so on and so on.... it's endless now in most any denomination! Which is right? I recently read an article by a famous Baptist preacher who insisted we should take the ENTIRE Word of God literally, yet he denies a huge percent of it, stating it is not for today. Hum... How does one pick and choose what is or is not for today other than by human reasoning? The Word of God alone is perfect. What did Jesus mean when He said "Come Follow me"? Did His life not display and show the way to go, the truths to be followed and the life that is in Him"? Are we not to be conformed to His image"? Let's stick to the Bible, seek God and trust what He says and let's discern when someone, even if it's a Pastor does not have and is not acting out of the fruit of the Spirit, such as love, but rather displaying a "religious spirit". The Lord Our God says The Holy Spirit was sent to bring us into ALL truth.(John 16:13). It's simple. It is the Holy Spirit who can and does reveal the truth to us and we need Him, not the opinions of men, divisions of beliefs nor the prideful Spirit that wars against the Word of God.It's up to each one of us to dig deep into the Holy Bible Scriptures, trusting God, His Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ the living Word, the same yesterday, today, forever (Hebrews 13:8) to reveal truth. To the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen (Jude 1:25)
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I read out of the New American Standard. Why? Simple....because it's easier to read than the KJV. Ask anybody with A.D.D if they read the KJV and enjoy it? However....if stuck on a deserted island and I find a KJV...then I have found that hidden pearl regardless of how it reads. The Word is the Word....but I understand that there are many versions out there that need a bit of correction yet the NASB is one step down from the NKJV and that works for me.
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While they can be saved and taught great and deep truths from other versions it would be wise to search out why the KJV is preferred by many. There are whole chapters left out, names of Jesus and Satan confused, words like seed or midst changed removing the meaning and anointing of some verses. I defended all versions until I heard a comparison that proved the devil is slowly influencing scriptural translations. Wisdom is a tree of life for those who find her.
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It sounds like that Baptist is suck in legalism. I won't get into a translation fight but to say that KJV is the only accurate translation is completely groundless. I go to a Baptist Church, but if someone asked what type of Christian I was I would reply that I am a Bible believing Christian. And that is all it comes down to. If a person believes and loves God and His Son Jesus Christ, believes that they are saved only through the grace of God, strives to learn about everything the Bible teaches without a personal bias, and their life is bearing the fruit of the Spirit, who and I to care what specific denimination they are?
It is also good for believers of different denimonations to respectfully share and LISTEN to differenting points of doctrine from a Biblical perspective and be teachable. (I have changed my "Baptist" view on a couple things because I found they did not match up with Scripture). No single denomination is perfect and no single person understands and has perfect every single thing in the Bible. Our God is a God of grace and fills in the differences.
It is also good for believers of different denimonations to respectfully share and LISTEN to differenting points of doctrine from a Biblical perspective and be teachable. (I have changed my "Baptist" view on a couple things because I found they did not match up with Scripture). No single denomination is perfect and no single person understands and has perfect every single thing in the Bible. Our God is a God of grace and fills in the differences.
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Could not agree with you more on using the KJV as that is what we use in our youth programs that or the NKJV and I know this because I am the one who purchases the Bibles for these programs as well as the curriculum. It was the way I was raised and the Pastor agrees with me on this issue. The closer we get to the original the better off we are.
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Every denomination believes it is the only true religion, that's what makes denominational ism so evil.
St. Paul preached against denominations and fractions of the body extensively.
St. Paul preached against denominations and fractions of the body extensively.
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You know... I hadn't been to these forums for awhile. I got an email with a link to this thread in it and it looked interesting so I thought I'd at least read it. I wish I hadn't. Bickering, accusations, arguing... I thought this was a Christian forum?
Does the original poster have something against the Baptists? Do you have something against Lutherans? So what? That's between you and God!
I'm not pulling a "holier than thou" either. I'm just disappointed. I keep thinking that there is a Christian forum somewhere where Christians are trying to follow Christ, but maybe I'm wrong.
Does the original poster have something against the Baptists? Do you have something against Lutherans? So what? That's between you and God!
I'm not pulling a "holier than thou" either. I'm just disappointed. I keep thinking that there is a Christian forum somewhere where Christians are trying to follow Christ, but maybe I'm wrong.
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I want to use you as an example, if you don't mind. I hope you take this in the spirit it is intended.
What you have said is exactly the reasoning I warn against. And I believe it is of God. It should not matter a hill of beens what your pastor thinks. It just happens I agree with him, but what if he erred? How do you know the KJV is the closest to original? What if the NIV was closer because the translators were closer to the Lord? Then you would be following the error of your pastor.
The scriptures tell us to prove all things, hold on to that which is good. Have you proved the KJV is more accurate? Did you know that there was no James in Jesus time? King James wanted his name in the bible so it was changed because his pride influenced the scribes.
Thank God for the internet. It makes searching so easy. But we have to be willing to search.
You can search for errors in the Baptist Church or errors in the Lutheran church.
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We know in part and we see in part.
There are truths hidden in scripture that have been lost for hundreds of years. They cannot be found unless you seek truth through Christ and refuse answers that don't make sense even if from a pastor.
Some truths are meant for the last day saints because knowledge beforehand would have changed the outcome.
For example, where is the bottomless pit?
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