ISIS plans to brutally crucify Catholic priest on Good Friday

[now faith]

Some how I could care less about Grammer when people are being murdered.

 

[now faith]

If it was your Pastor.....


Hosea: 4. 6. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. 7. As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame. 8. They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity. 9. And there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings. 10. For they shall eat, and not have enough: they shall commit whoredom, and shall not increase: because they have left off to take heed to the LORD.

 

[revanneosl]

His Order has specifically and repeatedly asked that people quit spreading these unfounded rumors.

 

[now faith]

Who's order,and who determines if they are rumors?
I know it is not France,Brussels, or Turkey or Boston because they are not rumors they are reality.

 

[Nithavela]

Russians have pulled out of Syria.

Not that they were fighting ISIS in the first place, over there.

 

[revanneosl]

Who's order,and who determines if they are rumors?
I know it is not France,Brussels, or Turkey or Boston because they are not rumors they are reality.

The captured Priest's religious order has repeatedly requested people to quit spreading these crucifixion rumors.

 

[now faith]

Ohhh. Now I get it!
Just like YouTube was the cause for the protesters in Bengazi who murdered people and destroyed our embassy.
Why yes sir!

 

[now faith]

It's not up to a religious order to command silence in the face of evil.
It's up to Christians to stand together in faith through prayer for deliverance from evil.

Good Morning /night
God Bless

 

[smaneck]

Russians have pulled out of Syria.

No, in fact yesterday Russian Air Force carried out 41 sorties to help the Syrian army take Palmyra.

 

[smaneck]

Who's order,and who determines if they are rumors?
I know it is not France,Brussels, or Turkey or Boston because they are not rumors they are reality.

You do realize Good Friday ended some time ago?

 

[Armoured]

Ohhh. Now I get it!
Just like YouTube was the cause for the protesters in Bengazi who murdered people and destroyed our embassy.
Why yes sir!

"Just like"

...I don't think that means what you think it means...

 

[Armoured]

No, in fact yesterday Russian Air Force carried out 41 sorties to help the Syrian army take Palmyra.

They've pulled ground troops. They're still conducting air operations.

 

[Sistrin]

Talk about a target rich environment:

And every time someone posts a thread like this, it gives ISIS the publicity and recognition they are seeking.

The standard argument of the Islamic apologist. Anything we do except grovel before Islam only serves to aid the terrorist. But do you actually believe a thread posted on a discussion forum grants ISIS publicity and recognition? As opposed to, say, releasing a video of the execution of U.S. journalist James Foley and Steven Sotloff? Or marching members of the Sunni Shaitat tribe past the camera just prior to their execution? Or tossing gays from rooftops? In your opinion none of that contributes to their public profile or is deserving of your scorn, but someone mentioning ISIS in a thread posted at Christian Forums does?

Unbelievable. Seriously, unbelievable.

But par for the course for the American left at large. Each and every time Islamic terrorist of any stripe successfully conduct an attack which leaves scores of dead in the streets, the liberal progressive crowd institutes another assault against the vile threat of Islamophobia.

From the Wall Street Journal, video of Hillary Clinton, wearing another of her Chairman Mao uniforms, issuing a series of self-promotional campaign comments and spouting the standard vapid rhetoric of the American left in response to Islamic terrorism. Solidarity, understanding, don't give the terrorist what they want, therefore say nothing, do nothing, propose nothing. Other than vapid rhetoric.

This thread and all threads related to this should be deleted.

Because forget that annoyance entitled the First Amendment. That only exist to protect the speech and conduct of groups we approve.

The argument some Muslim sitting at his or her computer somewhere who happens to come across this thread is going to read it and then become radicalized illustrates a cosmic lack of understanding and comprehension of what radical Islam actually is. And what attracts individuals to it. How anyone can even attempt to make that argument with a straight face is borderline inconceivable, except when you factor in who it is the American left at large truly hates. Which, of course, isn't radical Islam.

Islamist hate us because we exist. Islamist desire to kill us because we exist. This hatred and xenophobic desire to eradicate all they deem worthy will not dissipate because Hillary Clinton dons a Chairman Mao outfit and issues a few platitudes. It will not dissipate because President Obama cautions Americans against the evils of Islamophobia. It certainly will not dissipate because John Kerry has James Taylor sing a song. All of that, along with calls to prohibit speech on a discussion forum, is only interpreted as weakness. And weakness is to be exploited.

Meaning, another few dozen, or even a few hundred, or a few thousand if they can pull it off, more innocent dead littering the streets at the hands of a few Islamist shouting Allah Ackbar. Or perhaps singing "You've got a friend." Just to show how in awe they are of the threat imposed by John Kerry.

You are basically helping feed their desire for spreading terror.

Their desire to spread terror stems from the Quran, and their application of its teachings.

Please, spare me the third-grade counter argument I am blaming or besmirching or denigrating all Muslims. Make an actual attempt to understand my comment. Those Islamist within terrorist groups such as ISIS justify their actions via their interpretation of the Quran. That doesn't mean their interpretation is correct, it simply means it doesn't matter. They believe it is, they act on that belief, and no amount of supplication, no amount of groveling, and no level of appeasement will ever cause them to change their minds.

The argument a thread posted here is helping to feed the desire of Islamist to spread terror is so obviously and fundamentally flawed as to be silly on its face. It calls into question why you would actually make it. What agenda you were actually attempting to promote.

I believe I know...

You should voluntarily delete this post or modify it in such a way that google does not pick it up.

It might engender sympathy for Catholics. And by extension Christianity. Can't have that.

If people ignored this garbage, they'd probably just put a bullet in his head and be done with it...

Yeah, that would make a world of difference. Just let ISIS off the Priest without a word of protest, condemnation, or reprisal. Because dead is dead and he is just a Catholic Priest and therefore at some level deserves his fate. I mean we all know about Catholic Priest, nudge nudge wink wink say no more squire. ISIS would be doing him a favor by shooting him in the head. Therefore no one be concerned about a Catholic Priest seized against his will and brutally executed by an Islamic terrorist regime. Just make sure and not talk about it.

But when they know they can get people to spread the word and publicize this stuff, they go to great lengths to be as horrific as they can.

Another statement which illustrates your complete lack of understanding of the issues involved. Or just the partisan nature of your loyalties.

I think its disgraceful to give them the attention they are seeking. I ask that you show some personal responsibility and do your part to deny them their goals.

Deny them their goals. Right. I can see that meeting taking place:

"Brothers! If only we can get members of Christian Forums to talk about us, the West will fall to its knees! Allah Ackbar!"

EDIT: I read you subsequent post, and this:

When your advertising and marketing fail, your product goes belly up and you stop selling it.

Is where your "logic" completely breaks down.

 

[seashale76]

You do realize Good Friday ended some time ago?

Not from my perspective. Holy Friday is on April 29th for a lot of the world's Christians.

 

[Murby]

But do you actually believe a thread posted on a discussion forum grants ISIS publicity and recognition?

Of course it does.. If you quantified it, it would be a very small contribution but its there nonetheless, every bit contributes.
Your statement is no different than someone throwing a McDonald's bag out their car window and then justifying by saying their single bag won't pollute the entire world. A sad, unfortunate, and disturbing attitude.
Do you throw garbage our your car window when you're driving?????

In your opinion none of that contributes to their public profile or is deserving of your scorn, but someone mentioning ISIS in a thread posted at Christian Forums does?

Red Herring? Nice try..

Unbelievable. Seriously, unbelievable.

You're a Christian who believes in something you have no evidence for but when provided with evidence of something real you call it unbelievable? LOL.. That's actually comical.

Because forget that annoyance entitled the First Amendment. That only exist to protect the speech and conduct of groups we approve.

Another Red Herring? What does the First Amendment have to do with any of this? Its a rhetorical question so I'm not really interested in your answer because it would surely be another Red Herring.

The argument some Muslim sitting at his or her computer somewhere who happens to come across this thread is going to read it and then become radicalized illustrates a cosmic lack of understanding and comprehension of what radical Islam actually is. And what attracts individuals to it. How anyone can even attempt to make that argument with a straight face is borderline inconceivable, except when you factor in who it is the American left at large truly hates. Which, of course, isn't radical Islam.

More Red Herring or is this a Straw Man? How about sticking to the argument and not creating new arguments to attack???

The argument a thread posted here is helping to feed the desire of Islamist to spread terror is so obviously and fundamentally flawed as to be silly on its face. It calls into question why you would actually make it. What agenda you were actually attempting to promote.
I believe I know...

Wow.. a Straw Man, and an Ad Homenim attack all on one paragraph....
How you perceive my statements as an argument for spreading terror is beyond me.

Yeah, that would make a world of difference. Just let ISIS off the Priest without a word of protest, condemnation, or reprisal. Because dead is dead and he is just a Catholic Priest and therefore at some level deserves his fate. I mean we all know about Catholic Priest, nudge nudge wink wink say no more squire. ISIS would be doing him a favor by shooting him in the head. Therefore no one be concerned about a Catholic Priest seized against his will and brutally executed by an Islamic terrorist regime. Just make sure and not talk about it.

Astonishing how anyone can come up with such a rebuttal.. I can't wait to see how you work burning a pilot alive in a cage into that ridiculous statement.

Another statement which illustrates your complete lack of understanding of the issues involved. Or just the partisan nature of your loyalties.

Ad Hominem attacks?

If you're going to participate in a debate and argue a point, please try to avoid the various fallacies that are associated with weak positions. Using Red Herrings or Ad Hominem attacks makes your arguments and statements look very bad, poorly constructed, and generally speaks volumes about your comprehension of the issue.

When your desire to attack the other person is greater than your desire to attack the argument, you might want to stop and think about what you're about to say.

Lets try this from another perspective and see if it makes more sense to you..
Why would they put a pilot in a cage and video tape burning him alive and post it on the internet?
Or lets go to a broader question if it helps you.. Why would they execute anyone using a display of such brutality and then post it on the internet? What would be the point of that?

Think about it carefully.. Here's a hint: Spreading terror is not the goal. Very few people are terrified when watching a video 8000 miles away, sitting in their pajamas and drinking their morning coffee.

I know it may be difficult, but try sticking to the argument without attacking the other person.. Attack the argument, attack the reasoning.. when you attack the other person, you don't make your argument look good, you just make yourself look bad.

 

[Sistrin]

Of course it does.. If you quantified it, it would be a very small contribution but its there nonetheless, every bit contributes.

Your statement is no different than...

The accurate analogy is someone tossing one grain of salt into a sandbox and then claiming doing so provides publicity for those who like salt. Your initial assault was against the notion of a member here starting this thread on the grounds it would provide publicity for ISIS. The truth is ISIS is not the least bit emboldened by nor is their effectiveness enhanced in the slightest by our discussing their actions or intentions here. Consequently, not talking about them would accomplish absolutely nothing in either retarding or restricting their success.

The opposite is indeed the truth. There are far too many people who dismiss the threat of Islamic terrorism with a flippant wave of the hand as if it represents no more of a danger than the potential of being stung by a bee. That the dead would disagree aside, terrorist attacks are not the result of accidents. They are planned and deliberate, and will continue until there exist no more targets for the terrorist except each other or until the general populace acknowledges the truth.

Belgian nuclear guard ‘shot and security access badge stolen’

"Two days after bomb attacks at Brussels airport and on a packed metro killed 31 people and injured hundreds, a security guard who worked at a Belgian nuclear plant was murdered and his pass was stolen, Belgian media reported on Saturday.

The French language Derniere Heure (DH) newspaper reported the security guard’s badge was de-activated as soon as it was discovered he had been shot dead in the Charleroi region of Belgium and his badge stolen.

The information could not be independently verified. A police spokeswoman said she could not comment because an investigation was ongoing.

In a nation on high alert following this week's attacks, the report stokes fears about the possibility militants are seeking to get hold of nuclear material or planning to attack a nuclear site."

Source: http://www.france24.com/en/20160326...security-access-badge-stolen-brussels-attacks

I wonder who the environmentalist would blame if ISIS or some other Islamic terrorist group managed to blow up a reactor?
Regardless, ISIS does not measure success according to how many people are talking about them. They measure success based on the body count.

As for this particular debate, here is how you know you have scored a direct hit:

Red Herring...Straw Man...Ad Homenim...

What was the point of your initial post? To denounce ISIS activity, or bash the OP? Of course the answer is clear for all to see.

You're a Christian who believes in something you have no evidence for but when provided with evidence of something real you call it unbelievable? LOL.. That's actually comical.

That you are attempting to defend the indefensible continues to evoke incredulity. The only "real" aspect of your initial argument was the plethora of false premises, liberal dogma, and flawed reasoning contained therein. That is what I addressed.

Why would they put a pilot in a cage and video tape burning him alive and post it on the internet?

In an effort to display how psychotic they truly are. In response to that however there is only one truth. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

Suicide Bomber Attacks Stadium In Baghdad, Killing At Least 29 — REPORT

"According to Iraqi security officials, a suicide bomber attacked a football stadium in Baghdad Friday, killing at least 29 and leaving at least 60 people injured. The attacker reportedly detonated his bomb in a crowd after a local football game ended. The attack took place in Iskandariyah, a town 25 miles out of Iraq's capital, according to The Independent."

Source: https://www.romper.com/p/suicide-bomber-attacks-stadium-in-baghdad-killing-at-least-29-report-7790

Muslim shopkeeper who wrote loving Easter posts stabbed to death in ‘religiously prejudiced’ attack

"A Scottish-Muslim shopkeeper was violently stabbed to death in Glasgow in front of eyewitnesses. The brutal attack took place hours after he wrote a heartfelt Easter message of peace and tolerance to Christians."

Source: https://www.rt.com/uk/337257-scottish-muslim-shopkeeper-killed/

Tiny victims of Islamic State's chemical arsenal: 1,500 people need treatment after mustard gas attack on Iraq village which killed girl, three

"This is the tragic scene as a young girl being cradled in her father's arms is awaiting a flight to Turkey for treatment after being injured in a sickening mustard gas attack in Iraq by ISIS.

The terrorists launched multiple rockets containing the deadly toxin on the town of Taza which killed a three-year-old girl.

Scores of innocent civilians were injured during the attack after they came into contact with the deadly and corrosive substance."

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-terror-group-s-weapon-mass-destruction.html

The truth is hard sometimes, but there is a truth here which grows more and more obvious with each body lying in the street. Islamic fundamentalism, Islamic terrorism, will not and can not be defeated by an ostrich policy.

We will never be safe from Islamic terror as long as we refuse to make the link

The terrible tragedy which has unfolded in Brussels this week has garnered less media focus than the events in Paris in November, which in turn took less time to be forgotten by media and politicians than the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris again, last January. So much so that Katie Hopkins rightly points out we are beginning to take the constant terror attacks against our Western societies for granted:

“We must not accept this terror as part of our everyday. We must look for strong leadership and implement obvious solutions” (Daily Mail)

Terror attacks on civilian targets inside the heart of our Western nations are being presented by our leaders as an unavoidable part of ‘modern life’. They are unwilling to make the clear and obvious link between the growth in our Muslim populations and the growth in terror. They are further unwilling to make the link between Islam’s teachings of hatred and violence towards us, the infidel, and the propensity of Muslims to engage in terror. Our ‘leaders’ refuse to admit the truth, that Muhammad himself, the inventor of Islam, was himself a terrorist.

Source: http://examine-islam.org/2016/03/we...terror-as-long-as-we-refuse-to-make-the-link/

 

[Murby]

The accurate analogy is someone tossing one grain of salt into a sandbox and then claiming doing so provides publicity for those who like salt.

And with that statement, it is clear how you think.

You have created new arguments in this thread, then attempted to state my opinion without me actually expressing it, then argued against it.. all the while ignoring the subject matter.

Since you can't win the argument with logic or reasoning, you've created new arguments and decided to attack them..

Feel free to continue chasing the parked car..

 

[Xalith]

Not from my perspective. Holy Friday is on April 29th for a lot of the world's Christians.

Eh, a lot of Christians understand that Jesus was crucified on the same week as Passover, so Good Friday is usually observed the same week that Passover is.

Though if you really want to get technical, it is widely believed that the year of His crucifixion was 32AD (or thereabouts, some say 33 or 34). If it's 32AD, I've seen two different Passover Calculators, one says it was April 4th, the other says it was ~14th.

 

[seashale76]

Eh, a lot of Christians understand that Jesus was crucified on the same week as Passover, so Good Friday is usually observed the same week that Passover is.

Though if you really want to get technical, it is widely believed that the year of His crucifixion was 32AD (or thereabouts, some say 33 or 34). If it's 32AD, I've seen two different Passover Calculators, one says it was April 4th, the other says it was ~14th.

Pascha (what you call Easter) has always been calculated the following way: It's the first Sunday after the first full moon on/after the vernal equinox. It was decided by an Ecumenical Council. The entire reason for that was due to so many Christians celebrating things at different times- and the idea was to standardize it.

The Orthodox Church still calculates it using the Julian Calendar, whereas others decided to calculate it using the Gregorian after a while. We haven't changed it because that would require another Ecumenical Council to do so.

What Judaism does or doesn't do is irrelevant to Christianity.

 

[TLK Valentine]

So... did they do it?