[QUOTE="he-man, post: 69319145, member: 271484"
Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
DO DEAD people drink and eat if they are SPIRIT? Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
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There we go, one of the verses.
Yes, the KJV renders it as shew openly. The Greek that 'shew openly' is taken from is:
(From Strong)
emphanēs.... which apparently means...
manifest
fig. of God giving proofs of his saving grace and thus manifesting himself
As I said the NASB renders it closer to the original Greek than many versions when it reads as:
40 God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,
You quote John 20 where Jesus did not want to be touched... He had not manifested at that time. Then you feel you have a verse which would contradict Jesus being invisible, hence spiritual, in or somehow around the tomb. I like Luke 24 :39 here because it also makes it clear that at this time Jesus was NON SPIRIT.
39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
However, the bible explains why Jesus was NON SPIRIT at this moment. Jesus manifested Himself as totally physical three times after He was raised from the dead. Once at a fish fry and twice as He showed the wounds. That is mentioned in John 21:14
14 This is now the third time that Jesus was manifested to the disciples, after He was raised from the dead.
All the rest of the time Jesus was a spirit who had been granted to be seen by witnesses by God. Jesus was spirit as He spoke in the prison, Jesus was spirit while He met with the thief, Jesus was spirit as He met with Paul near Damascus. Jesus became spirit as Paul writes in 1 COR 15
45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
To your questions: Do dead people drink and eat... apparently in three instances which Jesus outlines , spirit do drink and eat... at the fish fry, at the times when He showed the wounds BECAUSE He had manifested Himself as fully physical to prove some points.
Spirits talk, interact with other spirits, have a spiritual body, all those things , it is just that we as mortals can not speak, interact or see them.
You quote:
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!
Yes and that one God is spirit:
John 4
24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
That one God became flesh to live among man, He is now spirit again, 1 COR 15:45.
Justme
Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
DO DEAD people drink and eat if they are SPIRIT? Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
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There we go, one of the verses.
Yes, the KJV renders it as shew openly. The Greek that 'shew openly' is taken from is:
(From Strong)
emphanēs.... which apparently means...
manifest
fig. of God giving proofs of his saving grace and thus manifesting himself
As I said the NASB renders it closer to the original Greek than many versions when it reads as:
40 God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,
You quote John 20 where Jesus did not want to be touched... He had not manifested at that time. Then you feel you have a verse which would contradict Jesus being invisible, hence spiritual, in or somehow around the tomb. I like Luke 24 :39 here because it also makes it clear that at this time Jesus was NON SPIRIT.
39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
However, the bible explains why Jesus was NON SPIRIT at this moment. Jesus manifested Himself as totally physical three times after He was raised from the dead. Once at a fish fry and twice as He showed the wounds. That is mentioned in John 21:14
14 This is now the third time that Jesus was manifested to the disciples, after He was raised from the dead.
All the rest of the time Jesus was a spirit who had been granted to be seen by witnesses by God. Jesus was spirit as He spoke in the prison, Jesus was spirit while He met with the thief, Jesus was spirit as He met with Paul near Damascus. Jesus became spirit as Paul writes in 1 COR 15
45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
To your questions: Do dead people drink and eat... apparently in three instances which Jesus outlines , spirit do drink and eat... at the fish fry, at the times when He showed the wounds BECAUSE He had manifested Himself as fully physical to prove some points.
Spirits talk, interact with other spirits, have a spiritual body, all those things , it is just that we as mortals can not speak, interact or see them.
You quote:
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!
Yes and that one God is spirit:
John 4
24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
That one God became flesh to live among man, He is now spirit again, 1 COR 15:45.
Justme
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