Do you think it's Christian to own guns?

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How does a government not "allowing" a natural right make it a sin?

Is that what I meant?

If it came out that way, I didn't intend it to. The bible tells us to obey our government officials and laws, and if a government allowed citizens to own guns it was perfectly ok, it wasn't somehow sinful to do so. I didn't make my statement to mean if you owned guns apart from what your government allowed it automatically became sinful.
 
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Apart from those needing them for living - do you think people should own guns?
I cannot tie Jesus up with a gun-owner that has them for the sake of having them

The humility start when we realized GOD's know our need best comparing to our own thinking. Therefore, get RHEMA. Ask Holy Spirit. Should i own guns or should not.

Here is the fact: For family A and for family B, same GOD, same CHRIST, may give 2 different reply. Why ? cuz 2 different family. 2 different need. 2 different background, 2 different city, 2 different upbringings, 2 different GPS location. It's 2 different entity.

Holy Spirit may say OK for Family B.
Holy Spirit may declined for Family A.
 
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You are standing there watching your wife and daughter be repeatedly raped and then killed. You have a gun.

As Mr Patton said... "You will know what to do."

Do not say this will never happen to Christians. It has millions of times.
It is happening now.
 
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Apart from those needing them for living - do you think people should own guns?
I cannot tie Jesus up with a gun-owner that has them for the sake of having them

It depends on your calling. Furthermore, america's politics over gun laws isn't about guns, it is about trust. Is the government worthy of trust? The american forefathers did not think so which is why the right to bear arms was written into their constitution. Laws exist to prevent harm, the harm prevented through this law seems to be related a greater good kind of argument related to the freedom of its citizens.
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Also note, that gun violence seems to increase under presidents trying to restrict the purchase of guns. Though in that sense, restrictions are instituted to prevent harm, so by basis of the same principle .. there it is.
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returning to the original question: I don't personally own guns, I am fortunate to not have to own guns, and that is my luxury. Did you know that it is written, even in the bible that "Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." (1 Timothy 5:8), this passage speaks of provision, provision of basic necessities, and some may include keeping the family safe as part of that list.
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I would point out that western society is far different than the world that Jesus and the apostles lived in, there are indeed similarities because we are all still humans, but even in the day of Paul, there was a sharp divide in the life styles of the apostles and the rest of the church (1 Corinthians 4:8-21). Jesus did provide one caveat to Peter however, if you live by the sword you will also die by it. (Matthew 26:52) This is similar to the instruction to make amends before the matter goes to court, because you will pay whatever price the court decides. (Matthew 5:25-26) I believe God as is usual is leaving it up to us as our purposes and stages of maturity are different. However, if the person is the type of person to read instructions and just do them and not look to the left or right, no excuses, they should just lay down their guns being consistent, as God hates hypocrisy more than anything else.
 
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We know that Peter carried a sword in John 18:10 which would make us wonder if he or others carried swords during their travels with Jesus to ward of any potential bandits.

What comes to me about this incident, is that Peter must have been in the flesh; walking by feelings and not by faith. Recall that Peter cut off the individual's ear then, shortly after, he betrayed Jesus. Eight weeks later, after Pentecost, Peter was transformed by the empowering of the Holy Spirit. He is shown fearless in his speaking and defying local authorities to preach, Acts 5:28,29. He was living by faith; certainly he no longer had any reason to carry a sword.
 
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What comes to me about this incident, is that Peter must have been in the flesh; walking by feelings and not by faith. Recall that Peter cut off the individual's ear then, shortly after, he betrayed Jesus. Eight weeks later, after Pentecost, Peter was transformed by the empowering of the Holy Spirit. He is shown fearless in his speaking and defying local authorities to preach, Acts 5:28,29. He was living by faith; certainly he no longer had any reason to carry a sword.

He had a sword on him because Jesus had just told them a few hours before to get swords. He was being obedient.

He was admonished by Jesus a short time later, not for having the sword He was told to carry, but for his aggressive action with the sword. I guarantee you he wasn't aiming for an ear.

And how do you know Peter no longer carried a sword after that, into the time of the Acts and beyond? You're assuming he didn't, but can you prove that neither he nor any of the other apostles actually did so?
 
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There is no Biblical prohibition to self-defense whatsoever.

That being said, God doesn't want trigger-happy children who trust their guns more than Him.

The right to keep and bear arms is one afforded to us by Father God who raised up the civil authority in our nation, and the only way to keep those liberties is for our nation to turn back to God and call upon Him to deliver us from those who wish to take those liberties away.
 
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with this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

I can see 100 denominations and everybody claims their thinking is the correct ones.

expect adobe photoshop, not legal black / white documents.
I still some times wonder if folks believe the gospel they claim to believe when this topic comes up. disciples of the lord JEsus are busy discussing with the lost how to be saved ... the others are busy with the things of THIS world . -the lord Jesus is so right .. where your treasure is ,there wil your heart be also
 
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There is no Biblical prohibition to self-defense whatsoever.

That being said, God doesn't want trigger-happy children who trust their guns more than Him.

The right to keep and bear arms is one afforded to us by Father God who raised up the civil authority in our nation, and the only way to keep those liberties is for our nation to turn back to God and call upon Him to deliver us from those who wish to take those liberties away.
do you oppose Gods wil for your life then ?
 
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I still some times wonder if folks believe the gospel they claim to believe when this topic comes up. disciples of the lord JEsus are busy discussing with the lost how to be saved ... the others are busy with the things of THIS world . -the lord Jesus is so right .. where your treasure is ,there wil your heart be also

I can't blame bible teachers, because they did a good job in the past. However in 2016 we need better than bible teachers. we need faith teachers. only faith can please GOD. surely faith teachers will induce faith value to the follower, instead of head-knowledge bible teachers.
 
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do you oppose Gods wil for your life then ?

It sounds like you're posing what's known as a "loaded question" to me. Perhaps I'm not understanding you or you haven't quite expressed what you mean. Could you clarify?

Also, just to clarify my stance, I believe it's alright for Christians to own guns for personal protection. There is ample Biblical support for such, though if someone feels it's not something God wants them to do other Christians should respect that person's personal conviction.

Inversely, Christians who hold this personal conviction have no Biblical grounds to judge Christians who do not and wish to own Guns.

Everyone one of us has a unique calling and purpose. It would be unbiblical to force Christians into an extremely pacifistic theology. The Book of Ecclesiastes clearly states there are times and seasons for everything.
 
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It sounds like you're posing what's known as a "loaded question" to me. Perhaps I'm not understanding you or you haven't quite expressed what you mean. Could you clarify?

Also, just to clarify my stance, I believe it's alright for Christians to own guns for personal protection. There is ample Biblical support for such, though if someone feels it's not something God wants them to do other Christians should respect that person's personal conviction.

Inversely, Christians who hold this personal conviction have no Biblical grounds to judge Christians who do not and wish to own Guns.

Everyone one of us has a unique calling and purpose. It would be unbiblical to force Christians into an extremely pacifistic theology. The Book of Ecclesiastes clearly states there are times and seasons for everything.
ouh yes lol totally loaded (scuse the pun)
but 1 - you assume ungodly men who were not filed with the spirit of God and did not walk in his council who brought about laws affording you the "right" to ow guns " was gods doing ? well i cant say your right or wrong -but neither can you use that assumption as a fact. so well leave that one there .

so back to my loaded question.. because it is kind of fun bantering it back and forth .
do you oppose Gods wil for your life then ?

that is to say - it is written that there is a set number of martyrs who are put to death for the testimony of Jesus - so is owning a firearm as a means to protect yourself .. sorry i should say "ones self - as its not directed at "you" . is owning a firearm as a means to protect oneself from harm or death seeling to resist the will of god if you are amoung the number called to martyrdom ?

but actually my main point was how passionately concerned a lot of christian gun owners are over the topic and that it displays a great deep impassioned love for the things of this world .. and where the things one treasures are .. that is also where their heart is .
so i find it deeply disturbing when i observe believers in the lord jesus being so obsessed with their worldly rights to own a gun.. ouh that they were so deeply passionate for their calling to preach the gospel and heal the sick drive out devils baptise people and make more disciples - something ONE of us are exempted from - no mater what part of the body we are we are a part of the body whose head is chrsit and we do his will and his will is that the gospel be preached
 
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A Biblical stance for defending oneself, or others, with firearms is not hard to establish. Most certainly, God wants an armed civil authority to maintain order:

Romans 13
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

Some might say, that's not for Christians, but that would be incorrect, because Paul converted many of the Roman guard to Christianity, and they certainly did not leave their position, or drop their swords:

Philippians 1
12 Now I want you to know, brothers and sisters,b]">[b] that what has happened to me has actually served to advance the gospel. 13 As a result, it has become clear throughout the whole palace guardc]">[c] and to everyone else that I am in chains for Christ. 14 And because of my chains, most of the brothers and sisters have become confident in the Lord and dare all the more to proclaim the gospel without fear.

And this is nothing surprising, even when John the Baptist came calling people to repentance to receive Christ, many Roman soldiers were wondering if that meant they needed to lay down their arms. John's answer clearly shows they did not have to, but rather that they would do their jobs with righteousness, not using it as a means to swindle people like so many did:

Luke 3
10 “What should we do then?” the crowd asked. 11 John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.” 12 Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?” 13 “Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.

14 Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?”

He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.


So right there I have established that God does not have a problem with Christians maintaining order with deadly force if necessary.

But like I said earlier, as with all things related to our walk with Jesus, He wishes that we trust in Him more than any weapon or our own ability to defend ourselves.

The truth is, extreme pacifism is simply not Biblical. And if the Word of God is true, we should not reject it. We conform to it, not the other way around.
 
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so back to my loaded question.. because it is kind of fun bantering it back and forth .
do you oppose Gods wil for your life then ?

The question is not whether or not any person opposes God's will, as all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, the question is how much. And that is a question Christians should look in the mirror for the answer to.
 
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The question is not whether or not any person opposes God's will, as all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, the question is how much. And that is a question Christians should look in the mirror for the answer to.
dont folow you ..as long as we are unrepentant and walking according to our own will we are in opposition to gods will
 
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