Philosophy 201 and God.

[Bluelion]

No, rivers being blood and not blood at the same time is illogical. That's the law of non-contradiction.

well if God could not make a river blood and not blood at the same time then God is not all powerful and therefore is bound by the law of man which is of non contradiction. Sorry but my God can do anything, even sin, but sin is so disgusting to him He could never bring Him self to do it, even though is He chose it is in His power. God is not bound by laws of nature, man, science or psychology.

 

[Bluelion]

It is logical and it is reasonable because it can be rationalized. God is such a Creator that He made everything out of nothing. He created the laws of order and is therefore not bound by them. He created all things for the demonstration of His power, wisdom, goodness, etc. The communication of His being supersedes the necessity that the created order remain unaffected by supernatural occurances. Therefore, God breaks into the created order to demonstrate His will and superintendence over His creation by works which defy the natural order of things.

So if God is not bound by any law then hHe can not be bound by the law of contradiction?

 

[Bluelion]

You may be mistaking unnatural with illogical.

logic
[loj-ik]

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noun
1.
the science that investigates the principles governing correct orreliable inference.
2.
a particular method of reasoning or argumentation:
We were unable to follow his logic.
3.
the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch ofknowledge or study.
4.
reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions:
There wasn't much logic in her move.
5.
convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness:
the irresistible logic of the facts.
6.
Computers. logic circuit.


how is a river turning to blood logical again?

 

[Hammster]

logic
[loj-ik]

• Synonyms
• Examples
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noun
1.
the science that investigates the principles governing correct orreliable inference.
2.
a particular method of reasoning or argumentation:
We were unable to follow his logic.
3.
the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch ofknowledge or study.
4.
reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions:
There wasn't much logic in her move.
5.
convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness:
the irresistible logic of the facts.
6.
Computers. logic circuit.


how is a river turning to blood logical again?

Because I have facts that say it happened. How, based on these definitions, is it not logical?

 

[Hammster]

well if God could not make a river blood and not blood at the same time then God is not all powerful and therefore is bound by the law of man which is of non contradiction. Sorry but my God can do anything, even sin, but sin is so disgusting to him He could never bring Him self to do it, even though is He chose it is in His power. God is not bound by laws of nature, man, science or psychology.

Then your god does not exist. God cannot sin because it would go against His nature. Saying that He can is blasphemy. Is that the road you want to go down just to "prove" you are smarter than your professor?

 

[Bluelion]

Because I have facts that say it happened. How, based on these definitions, is it not logical?

that doesn't mean its logical, Please exp[lain how it is logical.

 

[Hammster]

that doesn't mean its logical, Please exp[lain how it is logical.

I used your definition. Now, you use it to explain why it's not logical.

 

[royal priest]

So if God is not bound by any law then hHe can not be bound by the law of contradiction?

In light of my answer, what do you think about rivers of blood being illogical?

 

[Bluelion]

In light of my answer, what do you think about rivers of blood being illogical?

That water turns to blood the natural process of blood being produce seems to me to be urological that it would occur in just water. It being illogical because it is not a natural process which happens in water. How is it logical?

 

[Hammster]

That water turns to blood the natural process of blood being produce seems to me to be urological that it would occur in just water. It being illogical because it is not a natural process which happens in water. How is it logical?

If you've read Exodus, you know it's not illogical. It's unnatural, yes. But based on your definition of logic, it's not illogical. It would illogical if it was blood and not blood at the same time. That's impossible.

 

[royal priest]

That water turns to blood the natural process of blood being produce seems to me to be urological that it would occur in just water. It being illogical because it is not a natural process which happens in water. How is it logical?

It would not be reasonable to say that I turned water into blood, because it I don not have power to act beyond natural processes. It is logical, or reasonable to say that God did it because He does have that ability.

 

[Bluelion]

It would not be reasonable to say that I turned water into blood, because it I don not have power to act beyond natural processes. It is logical, or reasonable to say that God did it because He does have that ability.

Is it then not logical or reasonable to suggest that an all powerful God who said All things are possible with Him, that in fact all things are possible and He can do anything, and is not bound by any rule or anything but Himself?

 

[Hammster]

It would not be reasonable to say that I turned water into blood, because it I don not have power to act beyond natural processes. It is logical, or reasonable to say that God did it because He does have that ability.

That's the point. Just because something isn't normative (like miracles) doesn't mean it's illogical. The law of non-contradiction applies even to God because He cannot create a married bachelor. When we say that God can do anything, there's always a context. Even in scripture.

 

[royal priest]

Is it then not logical or reasonable to suggest that an all powerful God who said All things are possible with Him, that in fact all things are possible and He can do anything, and is not bound by any rule or anything but Himself?

that seems logical enough.

 

[Hammster]

that seems logical enough.

That would depend. Even though I can say that God can do anything, I don't think He can lie or be unjust.

 

[royal priest]

That would depend. Even though I can say that God can do anything, I don't think He can lie or be unjust.

blueliin gave an important qualification with the last three words of his post, "but by himself."

 

[Hammster]

blueliin gave an important qualification with the last three words of his post, "but by himself."

I believe he also said God could sin.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/philosophy-201-and-god.7917038/page-2#post-68848431

 

[royal priest]

I believe he also said God could sin.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/philosophy-201-and-god.7917038/page-2#post-68848431

ouch.

 

[Hammster]

ouch.

And, based on the premise of the OP, He could conceivably make a statement that was both true and false at the same time. Why? Because God can do anything.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Is it then not logical or reasonable to suggest that an all powerful God who said All things are possible with Him, that in fact all things are possible and He can do anything, and is not bound by any rule or anything but Himself?

You're right. He is bound by himself. For God to be bound by himself is not to be boundless, because that would be the same as saying that God does not exist. If God is bound by himself, and if he exists, then God is not boundless. Your assertion is especially interesting, because if God is bound by the laws of logic, namely by the law of non-contradiction, then it implies that God is the very law that binds himself, part of which is the rule of logical principles. The pursuit of sound logic, then, would be a pursuit of a deeper understanding of God. Non-contradiction is not merely a thing created by God, but it strikes at the very essence of who God is. God does not directly contradict himself.