How is Once Saved Always Saved not a license to sin? (moved)

[John Robie]

Yes, I already said this. But God elects (chooses) us based on His future foreknowledge of our free will choices. See 1 Peter 1:1-2 (with a specical focus on verse 2).


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If this is true (it isn't), then He doesn't choose those who fall away.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Typical Synergist. he thinks that God regenerates him after he does something that pleases God, even though the unregenerate man cannot please God in anything he says or does. He can't abide the idea that God would change his heart without his permission. He calls God evil for doing so. Scripture teaches monergistic regeneration prior to faith and repentance. They repent and believe BECAUSE they have been regenerated, not in order to become regenerated. And he thinks that he can please god by his own efforts. One confused dude!

And you need verses to prove your case instead of insulting (Which only weakens your position).

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[John Robie]

No. We call upon God to help us to stop sinning and to have Him work thru us. The answer is ..... "not you."

We merely choose to abide with God or not. He does not force us to be saved.

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Believing is pleasing. We cannot please Him in the flesh. This, we must be new creatures to please Him.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If this is true (it isn't), then He doesn't choose those who fall away.

The Elect are those who endure in the faith. But they are only elected or chosen ahead of time based on God's future foreknowledge that they would choose Him of their own free will.

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[Bible Highlighter]

Believing is pleasing. We cannot please Him in the flesh. This, we must be new creatures to please Him.

Yes. Where did I say otherwise?


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[Bible Highlighter]

foreknowledge is not of what we will do, but is referring to knowing the person. You know, like Adam knew Eve, and she brought forth a son.

No. Foreknowledge means... fore (before) knowledge. Like the word foresee. It means to see something ahead of time.


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[John Robie]

The Elect are those who endure in the faith. But they are only elected or chosen ahead of time based on God's future foreknowledge that they would choose Him of their own free will.

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Okay. So He really isn't saving anyone who is not elect. Not in any real meaning way.

 

[John Robie]

Yes. Where did I say otherwise?


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When you said you believe without being regenerate.

 

[John Robie]

No. Foreknowledge means... fore (before) knowledge. Like the word foresee. It means to see something ahead of time.


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In Romans 8 it's those He foreknew, not those He foreknew something about.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Okay. So He really isn't saving anyone who is not elect. Not in any real meaning way.

See my analogy again about a man grabbing a life preserver.


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[Bible Highlighter]

In Romans 8 it's those He foreknew, not those He foreknew something about.

Then you have to conclude that God is the direct author of evil and the Judgment is just a farce.


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[John Robie]

Then you have to conclude that God is the direct author of evil and the Judgment is just a farce.


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Why? Because I told you what scripture said?

 

[John Robie]

For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. - Romans 8:29

So Jason has said the Elect are those He foreknew would endure to the end. If that's the case, he will have to agree that the only ones predestined to be confirmed to the image of Christ are those who He knows will endure. And we also know from this passage the the ones He calls are the ones whom are predestined.

This makes Jason's theology very inconsistent.

 

[nobdysfool]

And you need verses to prove your case instead of insulting (Which only weakens your position).

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I just detailed your position. it's incumbent upon YOU to prove it. So far you haven't. It's been shot full of holes by John and I, as well as some others.

 

[Hillsage]

When you list 10 different points in a post, I will not respond.

Amen. It makes them way too long.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Why? Because I told you what scripture said?

No. It is an inevitable conclusion. If God forced some people to not believe then they could not be held accountable for their evil because God designed them to only do evil. That would be like designing an airplane to not fly and then kicking it in anger because it doesn't fly.

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[John Robie]

No. It is an inevitable conclusion. If God forced some people to not believe then they could not be held accountable for their evil because God designed them to only do evil. That would be like designing an airplane to not fly and then kicking it in anger because it doesn't fly.

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It's not a conclusion. It's what the text says.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. - Romans 8:29

So Jason has said the Elect are those He foreknew would endure to the end. If that's the case, he will have to agree that the only ones predestined to be confirmed to the image of Christ are those who He knows will endure. And we also know from this passage the the ones He calls are the ones whom are predestined.

This makes Jason's theology very inconsistent.

I don't see how. Predestined is just God knowing ahead of time (pre) the destiny of others (that they choose for themselves).

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[John Robie]

I don't see how. Predestined is just God knowing ahead of time (pre) the destiny of others (that they choose for themselves).

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Okay, I want you to stick with me. In this passage, who does God call?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It's not a conclusion. It's what the text says.

But the only way such an interpretation on the text says what you want it to say is if you ignore all passages that talk about free will, though.


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