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Is it healthy to love someone when you're not getting anything in return?
It is not only healty, it is godly.
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Is it healthy to love someone when you're not getting anything in return?
It is not only healty, it is godly.
I think mutual love and respect go a long way. However, if you're only complimenting your wife or helping around the house because you want something then your motives aren't exactly pure.
I'm also tired of the idea that men only think about sex and are so desperate for it that they have to either jump through hoops or somehow manipulate their wives to get it. I obviously can't speak for all men but sex isn't the top priority in my life and I certainly don't do things for my wife with the expectation that she'll do something for me in return. I strive to love her as Christ loves the church, not as someone who expects something every time I do something that pleases her.
Not in a marriage relationship, which is what this thread and this forum area is specifically about.It is not only healty, it is godly.
Actually it is. We are COMMANDED by Paul to love our wives as Messiah loved the church. We are to be a picture to the world of how he reaches out to us.
"For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly."
So if she is being neglectful or even openly hostile, we are still to love her sacrificially. Even if you have not had sex for 6 months and she screams at you if you even hint at it or show a "bulge."
BTDT
Wait, do you think I'm only talking about sex? You've read enough of my writing to know I'm deeper than that.
No, I'm not only talking about sex.
Is it healthy to love someone when you're not getting anything in return?
What we really need is an article for women that says "Top 10 reasons why you need to stop avoiding sex in your marriage."
What's the phrase when women are manipulated for sex, I wonder?
Call me naive, but I don't see how a husband and wife who truly love each other and have each other's best interest in mind (as opposed to selfish "what's in it for me" motives) would even face this issue. If my husband wants sex from me, he should have to do nothing more than ask. If I want sex from him, all I should have to do is ask.
Well, that depends. Is he hitting her up for more sex after they've already done it four times that day? Does he want to do things she's not comfortable with, and she's told him that, and he keeps pushing? Does he care only about how much she can please him, and show no concern at all for whether it feels good for her too? Above all, is he affectionate with her only as a prelude to sex, and never at any other time? Then I can see where she'd be turned off.That only works in a perfect world, but Adam fell and messed that up royally.
in the REAL world if you just ask, you get dirty looks or excuses or risk being called "oversexed," "pervert," "addict," and phrases like "I went 10 years without ANYTHING before we got married; and I can go another 10 starting RIGHT NOW."
No - more like it has not been done for several weeks or even a month or 2.Well, that depends. Is he hitting her up for more sex after they've already done it four times that day?
Does having "regular" count?Does he want to do things she's not comfortable with, and she's told him that, and he keeps pushing?
Edited to add, in all fairness, an absolute lack of a sex drive isn't healthy either. Marriage should involve sex. Going ten years without it is the other extreme from the multiple times a day, and both are unbalanced. Within marriage, it is absolutely not "perverted," or "sinful," or any of those other things. Any married person who rejects the entire idea of sex with a spouse needs a medical checkup first, and counseling if there isn't anything physically wrong.
I'm sorry, but that sounds to me like a need for professional help.So what about this phrase? "I love you; but I wish sex would just go away."
What's the phrase when women are manipulated for sex, I wonder?
Rape.
I agree that's an accurate term in answer to my question (or coercion--depending on the circumstance)...but I think Avniel may have been making a bit of a different point (after I thought about what he'd written). I *think* he's suggesting that women are basically expecting men to "jump through hoops" for sex.....and he (Avniel) considers that "emasculating" and men ought to not go along with that (instead---"just be yourself and if she doesn't like that...oh well"). I'm not sure that's the recipe for a successful marriage....
No I do not mean manipulated for sex I mean begging for sex like a little puppy that see's a new neighbor you've invited over. If a man is begging his wife for sex every night he's a super punk and needs to do something to change his outlook on himself. Now before everyone says I am trying to encourage rape by calling him a super punk, he's a super punk because he doesn't see enough in himself not to beg for sex.By "emasculated"....do you mean that men are being manipulated for sex? What's the phrase when women are manipulated for sex, I wonder?