Why do atheists get married?

[Cearbhall]

We use statistics like that to make the point that Satan goes after Christians more than he does unbelievers.

After all, he already has them.

Pardon me if I don't consider that a factor.

Look at it this way: Which stands out more? two accountants who divorce, or two marriage counselors who divorce?

So basically what you're trying to say is that Christians are more moral than atheists. I don't agree with generalizations on principle.

 

[bhsmte]

Again, because he's not influencing them as much as he does Christians.

Put another way: The devil prioritizes.

Two atheists divorce? meh

Two Buddhists divorce? meh

Two Christians divorce? now there's a story.

Look at it this way: Which stands out more? two accountants who divorce, or two marriage counselors who divorce?

Doesn't say much for a christian's faith then, does it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Pardon me if I don't consider that a factor.

So basically what you're trying to say is that Christians are more moral than atheists. I don't agree with generalizations on principle.

What's your definition of moral?

How I was brought up: moral was how man interacted with God; and ethical was how man interacted with man.

Thus by that definition, unbelievers cannot be moral, but they can be ethical.

 

[AV1611VET]

Doesn't say much for a christian's faith then, does it?

Well if two Christians divorce, it certainly doesn't enhance their faith in the eyes of the world.

 

[Cearbhall]

What's your definition of moral?

How I was brought up: moral was how man interacted with God; and ethical was how man interacted with man.

Thus by that definition, unbelievers cannot be moral, but they can be ethical.

Everyone has a different system of morality. I don't accept yours, and nor do I expect you to accept mine. That's exactly my point. You can't debate with atheists on the premise that the definition of moral is your morality, because we aren't going to accept that premise.

The question remains, atheists. Why would you marry in a church if you dislike God and don't believe marriage is a sacred institution?

I don't see anything about getting married in a church in the original post.

I don't think I would, even if my future spouse is Christian, because I'm not going to stand up there and defile my spouse's faith by lying through my teeth.

 

[essentialsaltes]

How I was brought up: moral was how man interacted with God; and ethical was how man interacted with man.

Regardless of what word you use, I also took some offense at your statement.

"Which stands out more? two accountants who divorce, or two marriage counselors who divorce?"

Presumably, marriage counselors are better able to navigate the rocky shores of marriage, so your statement implies that Christians are likewise better constituted for lasting marriage than atheists. (Again, despite the contrary evidence.)

 

[bhsmte]

Regardless of what word you use, I also took some offense at your statement.

"Which stands out more? two accountants who divorce, or two marriage counselors who divorce?"

Presumably, marriage counselors are better able to navigate the rocky shores of marriage, so your statement implies that Christians are likewise better constituted for lasting marriage than atheists. (Again, despite the contrary evidence.)

Didn't you know? If christians divorce, it is because satan did it. According to AV, satan already has the non-believers (yet they have much lower divorce rate) and his impact is somehow much higher with people who are christians.

Like I said, doesn't say much for the christian faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

Presumably, marriage counselors are better able to navigate the rocky shores of marriage, so your statement implies that Christians are likewise better constituted for lasting marriage than atheists. (Again, despite the contrary evidence.)

If you imagine a triangle: with God at the top, and the husband & wife at the bottom on opposite ends -- then the closer the husband & wife draw to God, the closer they draw to each other.

 

[bhsmte]

If you imagine a triangle: with God at the top, and the husband & wife at the bottom on opposite ends -- then the closer the husband & wife draw to God, the closer they draw to each other.

I would imagine you would agree that christians are closer to God then non-believers, correct?

So, with that assumption, why do non-believers have a divorce rate significantly lower than christians?

 

[AV1611VET]

Didn't you know? If christians divorce, it is because satan did it.

I believe the word I used was "influenced", chief.

Again, because he's not influencing them as much as he does Christians.

Christians aren't going to be pointing fingers at Satan at the Judgement Seat of Christ and saying, "He made me do it."

 

[AV1611VET]

I would imagine you would agree that christians are closer to God then non-believers, correct?

Correct ... we are God's adopted children by faith in Jesus Christ.

So, with that assumption, why do non-believers have a divorce rate significantly lower than christians?

I thought I already explained that.

 

[Cearbhall]

If you imagine a triangle: with God at the top, and the husband & wife at the bottom on opposite ends -- then the closer the husband & wife draw to God, the closer they draw to each other.

No one is denying that you have a Christian view of marriage and therefore value God's presence in the marriage. We just take offense at the idea that we can never have as good of a marriage as a Christian. Our marriages will be examples of the secular institution of marriage, after all. Your triangle isn't our goal.

 

[bhsmte]

I believe the word I used was "influenced", chief.

Christians aren't going to be pointing fingers at Satan at the Judgement Seat of Christ and saying, "He made me do it."

If satan already has non-believers as you stated, why are christians in a position to be more influenced by satan (hence much higher divorce rate?)

 

[bhsmte]

Correct ... we are God's adopted children by faith in Jesus Christ.

I thought I already explained that.

Can't have it both ways.

If you claim (in your triangle) christians are closer to God and this helps the marriage, they should have lower divorce rates than those who are not close to God. And no, satan is not a legit excuse, because it just then nullifies your entire argument of the benefits of being close to God.

 

[Cearbhall]

I believe the word I used was "influenced", chief.

What exactly do you think Satan does to people who end up divorcing that he doesn't do to other couples? Does he whisper in their ears at night?

 

[AV1611VET]

We just take offense at the idea that we can never have as good of a marriage as a Christian.

QV please:

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[AV1611VET]

If satan already has non-believers as you stated, why are christians in a position to be more influenced by satan (hence much higher divorce rate?)

Good question ... sin has that effect.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can't have it both ways.

If you claim (in your triangle) christians are closer to God and this helps the marriage, they should have lower divorce rates than those who are not close to God. And no, satan is not a legit excuse, because it just then nullifies your entire argument of the benefits of being close to God.

Okie - doke ... I'm not going to argue the point.

I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

What exactly do you think Satan does to people who end up divorcing that he doesn't do to other couples? Does he whisper in their ears at night?

Is that your idea of how Satan works?

 

[Cearbhall]

QV please:

Yeeaaahh. Do you really expect an atheist to believe that one marriage isn't as good as another because it doesn't include belief in Christian teachings? I think you're missing the whole point of atheism. That's your belief, and you're welcome to it, but we don't share it.

Is that your idea of how Satan works?

I don't believe in Satan, so no. I asked if that's how you think he works.

I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand.

There's a difference between misunderstanding and disagreeing.