Are we living in Millenium now?

[dfw69]

There may be a millenium someday. I hope it's better than what the world is today.

When Jesus was on earth he healed all sick dumb lame blind mute feed multitudes cast out devils...the millennium will be great and wonderful...he forgave sins..ate with sinners.. Cleans disease like leporcy ....there shall be no war ...world peace...Jesus shall rule in righteousness ...and the gov of the world are no more...the only kingdom standing is Christ kingdom

But before this... There shall be deceptions that the messiah has come and a false peace....and false judgements upon the innocent through noachide laws ...the deception will be great... many false prophets will say Christ has Come...And false signs shall be seen...which are already happening...but its a lie to convince the end is near...so they can convince the world that the messiah is coming soon...

In the end... Only one kingdom stands... The kingdom of jesus

 

[Truth7t7]

Who is right - you or God? I choose God.

Rev 20:

The Thousand Years

20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
The Judgment of Satan

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Judgment of the Dead

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

No Literal Thousand Years, No Millenial Kingdom, NO Pre-Trib Rapture, No Multiple Resurrections

2 Timothy 4:1 KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

There will be one resurrection of the believer, old and new testament, this was taught by Jesus Christ, as seen in Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Cor 15:52-55, John 6:40, John 11:23-24, and John 5:28-29 KJV, this resurrection and catching up will take place "Immediately after the tribulation" at the "Last Trumph" or voice of the "7th angel", on the "Last Day" of physical earths history.

"Last Day" "Last Trumph" death is swallowed up in victory, "Immediately After the Tribulation,"THE END"!

1 Cor 15:52-54 KJV
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Daniel 12:1-2 KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 6:40 KJV
40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24 KJV
23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 5:28-29 KJV
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

On the "Last Day" "Last Trump" the heavens and earth will be dissolved by the Lords fire 2 Peter 3:10-13, all mens works will be tried by this fire 1 Cor 3:13, the saved believer will pass through this fire to the eternal kingdom "New Jerusalem" Revelation 21:1-3, we are to look for a new heaven and earth!

2 Peter 3:10-13 KJV
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

1 Corinthians 3:13 KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Revelation 21:1-3 KJV
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

The Order of Events on The "LAST DAY" or "LAST TRUMPH"

1. Appearing of Jesus Christ, Glorius in the heavens, immediately after the tribulation. 1 Cor 15:52-55, Matthew 24:29-31, Daniel 12:1-2
2. Then the "FIRST" resurrection and catching up of the believers, old and new testament Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Cor 15:52-55, John 6:40, John 11:23-24, and John 5:28-29.
3. Then the "SECOND" resurrection unto damnation, lake of fire Daniel 12:1-2, John 5:28-29.
4. Then the heavens and earth are disolved in firey judgement, 2 Peter 3:10-13, 1 Cor 3:13 , every man's work will be judged by this fire, the believer will pass through the fire, Zech 13:7-9
5. Then the "New Heavens, Earth, and "New Jerusalem" are revealed for eternity Rev 21:1-3


"All In The Twinkling Of An Eye" on the "Last Day"!!!!!!!!!!

Thousand not Literal, A day is a Thousand years in the spiritual, "Not Literal"!

2 Peter 3:8 KJV
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Thousand not literal, the Lord owns the cattle upon all hills, "millions", "billions" "not literal"!

Psalm 50:10 KJV
For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

The saints seen in Rev chapter 20 KJV are in the spiritual realm with the Lord, "they have already came out of great tribulation", the word "thousand" is not literal, and represents a long period of time in the physical world or a season, "they should rest yet for a little season" .

We clearly see the teaching from Daniel 12:1-2 and John 5:28-28, John 6:40, John 11:23-34 that the resurrection was on the "Last Day" how does Rev 20:4-6 KJV fit into Gods truth, of this "Last Day"?

No Millenial Kingdom On Earth for a "Thousand Years" Revelation 20:4-6 KJV


Rev 20:4 KJV The thrones would be that of God and Jesus, this would also show that they are the saints that have came out of the time of Jacobs trouble or great tribulation , that have died and are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, "they have not been resurrected" or received their glorified bodies, they are spiritual bodies, "Souls", these same "Souls" are also seen in Rev 16:9-11 KJV, they are waiting for vengenance on the wicked on earth, that will be seen at the "Last Day" after the tribulation Matthew 24:29-31, in Firey judgement 2 Peter 3:10-13, and their eternal resurrected bodies will then be received, 1 Cor 15:52-55 KJV, in the "First resurrection unto life".

"FIRST RESURRECTION LIFE", "SECOND RESURRECTION DAMNATION" John 5:28-29 KJV, Daniel 12:1-2

Rev 20:5 KJV The rest of the dead would be all others old and new testament that are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, that are'nt depicted as coming out of the "Great Tribulation" as seen in Rev 20:4 KJV, they have not received their glorified bodies, and they will "LIVE AGAIN" after the resurrection to eternal "LIFE", just as the tribulation saints seen in Rev 20:4 will, they are not living with resurrected bodies, they are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, they will have part in the "First Resurrection" as Rev 20:6 states, but the "Last Day" has'nt come yet.

Rev 20:6 KJV This verse shows "all believers" tribulation saints, and old and new testament believers that will "hath part in the first resurrection" they are blessed to be in the "FIRST" resurrection, as seen in John 5:28-29 KJV and Daniel 12:1-2 KJV, the "SECOND" resurrection will be unto eternal damnation, both resurrections will be on the "Last Day" when "death is swallowed up in victory".

Revelation 20:4-6 KJV
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The same "Souls" as are seen in Revelation 20:4 KJV, they have not received their glorified bodies, that will be seen on the "Last Day" after the tribulation, at the "ONLY" resurrection of all believers, old and new testament.

Rev 16:9-11 KJV
9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The same saints seen in Rev 20:4-6 KJV and Rev 16:9-11 KJV are seen now Rev 7:14 in the eternal kingdom before the throne of God, same saints that overcame, "NOT SOULS".

Revelation 7:13-15 KJV
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[Bethwhite]

There is no reason whatsoever to assume Rev 20 is not referring to an actual 1000 years.

Given that Daniel was told that he would rise at the end of the days and there's a resurrections at the end of the 1000 years in Rev 20, it's obvious that there are 7 millenial days since the fall of man until all is restored.

 

[Truth7t7]

ebedmelech: Because you don't realize the 1000 years are symbolic of the full reign of Christ rather than a literal 1000 years.

Not hard to see when you examine the poetic, spiritual, and apocalyptic use of 1000 s well as perfect thousands.

That's why the 144,000 represents the "Israel of God", which is all believers.

I agree 100%, when they are sealed that will be church, as all believers are sealed by God's Spirit, Eph 1:13, 4:30, they are blinded by the Zionist glasses that have been put on them, and the optometrists were John N. Darby, and Adulterer C.I. Scofield and his 1909 reference bible, false teachings!

ebedmelech:Not quite.
I hold that the scroll that Jesus took was the very scroll Daniel was told would be sealed until the time of the end.

Satan is already cast down when Jesus triumphed over the cross. That put an end to sin and therefore with the sins of believers forgiven becuse we have peace with God, Satan had no grounds with which to accused. Satan is already cast down to earth.

I agree, satan has no power, God's Kingdom on earth was established by his death on the cross, and we as christians triumph over satan through this finished work! Jesus Christ rules on the throne as we speak, and yes this represents the "SYMBOLIC" word thousand years in the spiritual realm, there is no ruler to measure this time in the physical world, just as Peter stated a day is a thousand and a thousand a day with the Lord, no measurement of time, and not "LITERAL" in Rev 20:4-6

ebedmelech:Revelation is primarily about the judgment of Jerusalem which occurred in 70 A.D.

I disagree with partial preterism, this will be a future Judgement in Jerusalem.

Matthew 24:1-3 (KJV)
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

ebedmelech I believe the teaching in Matthew 24 is in regards to signs of the "END OF THE WORLD" at the second coming of Jesus Christ, and the symbolism would me total destruction as seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 when the world will be literally dissolved by fire, the destruction in 70 AD does not fit the end of the world 2nd coming ticket, with a 2000 year intermission, sorry I disagree.

The generation that shall see the signs will not pass till all be fulfilled, and this directly depicts that the events will happen relatively quickly, and end with this existing heaven and earth passing away by fire, 2 Peter 3:10-13. The generation of 70 AD is long gone, and is the simple fact it isn't the fulfillment.

2 Peter 3:10-13 (KJV) 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

When you see these things know that it is near, even at the doors?

What, the end of the world, when heaven and earth will pass away as seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13, "DISSOLVED" by fire, gone!

Matthew 24:33-36 KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The abomination of desolation is seen in Matthew 24:15 in the chapter, you will take note that Daniel 12:11-12 gives days to the close of the event, or end of the world, not a 2000 year intermission, as partial preterist claim that the abomination has happened in 70 AD, another teaching taken out of biblical context, no different than Dispensationalism.

Matthew 24:15 KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Daniel 12:11-12 KJV
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

70 AD destruction of Jerusalem does not fit the ticket, Matthew 24:33-36 clearly proves this claim false.

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[ebedmelech]

I disagree with partial preterism, this will be a future Judgement in Jerusalem.

Matthew 24:1-3 (KJV)
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

ebedmelech I believe the teaching in Matthew 24 is in regards to signs of the "END OF THE WORLD" at the second coming of Jesus Christ, and the symbolism would me total destruction as seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 when the world will be literally dissolved by fire, the destruction in 70 AD does not fit the end of the world 2nd coming ticket, with a 2000 year intermission, sorry I disagree.

Ok. But let me point out the questions of the disciples because it is threefold.
1. When shall these thing be? - refers to the destroying of the temple

2. What will be the sign of your coming - They are asking Jesus when will He come

3. and the end of the age (some translate world) but it should rightly be translated age. (study that if you wish) this is the end of the Jewish age.

The generation that shall see the signs will not pass till all be fulfilled, and this directly depicts that the events will happen relatively quickly, and end with this existing heaven and earth passing away by fire, 2 Peter 3:10-13. The generation of 70 AD is long gone, and is the simple fact it isn't the fulfillment.

Jesus was speaking to that generation. I would encourage you to examine the use of "this generation" in these passages:
Matt 11:16
Matt 12:39
Matt 12:41, 42, & 45
Matt 17:17
Matt 23:36
Tell me why does the meaning of this generation all of a sudden change in Matthew 24:34?

2 Peter 3:10-13 (KJV) 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

When you see these things know that it is near, even at the doors?

What, the end of the world, when heaven and earth will pass away as seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13, "DISSOLVED" by fire, gone!

These are clearly the end...the last day. What's the point? This has nothing to do Matthew 24. That agrees with Matthew 25.

Matthew 24:33-36 KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The abomination of desolation is seen in Matthew 24:15 in the chapter, you will take note that Daniel 12:11-12 gives days to the close of the event, or end of the world, not a 2000 year intermission, as partial preterist claim that the abomination has happened in 70 AD, another teaching taken out of biblical context, no different than Dispensationalism.

Matthew 24:15 KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Daniel 12:11-12 KJV
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

70 AD destruction of Jerusalem does not fit the ticket, sorry, Matthew 24:33-36 clearly proves this claim "FALSE"!

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

The abomination of desolation was first committed by Antiochus Epiphanes when he desecrated the temple. You see this in Daniel 11. You also have it recorded in 1 & 2 Maccabees. That is the 1st occurrence.

It was then committed by the Romans

Simply take a look at how it occurred. This is a good link to how it occurred:
http://www.nabion.org/html/abomination_of_desolation.html

It occurred! It is historical record. Tacitus also records it also, and I would encourage you to do a detailed study of it.

Matthew 24 is fulfilled my friend...

 

[Truth7t7]

ebedmelech: The abomination of desolation was first committed by Antiochus Epiphanes when he desecrated the temple. You see this in Daniel 11. You also have it recorded in 1 & 2 Maccabees. That is the 1st occurrence.

It was then committed by the Romans

Simply take a look at how it occurred. This is a good link to how it occurred:

It occurred! It is historical record. Tacitus also records it also, and I would encourage you to do a detailed study of it.

Matthew 24 is fulfilled my friend.

I removed your link, I'm a newbie and can't post links in response until 50 post.

Matthew 24 has not been fulfilled in the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem as taught by full and partial preterist, scripture clearly teaches that this will be a future event, and the generation that will actually witness and see the events will not pass, this will be the sign that it is near, "even at the doors", in the destruction of this existing heavens and earth as seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13, "FUTURE".

I don't need to look towards the translations for a new reading, my KJV is just fine and trustworthy at presenting God's truth, in reading "End of the World"!

"We will agree to disagree"

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[ViaCrucis]

I removed your link, I'm a newbie and can't post links in response until 50 post.

Matthew 24 has not been fulfilled in the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem as taught by full and partial preterist, scripture clearly teaches that this will be a future event, and the generation that will actually witness and see the events will not pass, this will be the sign that it is near, "even at the doors", in the destruction of this existing heavens and earth as seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13, "FUTURE".

I don't need to look towards the translations for a new reading, my KJV is just fine and trustworthy at presenting God's truth, in reading "End of the World"!

"We will agree to disagree"

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

While I disagree that the end of the age mentioned in the Olivet Discourse refers to the destruction of the Temple (I believe the Olivet Discourse describes the event in 70 AD, I just don't believe "end of the age" is in reference to that); it is important to note what the Greek says,

συντελείας τοῦ αἰῶνος

Consummation of the age. Or conclusion of the age.

The use of the English "world" as a rendering of the Greek aion is archaic, having to do with an older sense of world that we generally no longer use. The etymology of the word "world" comes from an older Germanic compound of the words for man (wer as in "werewolf") and age (ald, "old"). Etymologically, it originally referred to the "age of man", and only later comes to encompass the notion of location, the inhabitable world, the known world, the universe, and in a restricted sense to this blue orb we call Earth.

This is why older translations of the Nicene Creed say "before all words" in reference to the eternal generation of the Son. The Greek is better translated today as "before all ages"; not a reference to planetary bodies or locations of any sort.

So the phrase συντελείας τοῦ αἰῶνος would never, for example, mean "world" in the sense of planet earth; it means age, as in the present evil age. As Scripture speaks of two ages, this age and the Age to Come--τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος, lit. the future's age.

-CryptoLutheran

 

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[interpreter]

I thank God that I live in the millennial reign of the US.

 

[ebedmelech]

I removed your link, I'm a newbie and can't post links in response until 50 post.

Matthew 24 has not been fulfilled in the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem as taught by full and partial preterist, scripture clearly teaches that this will be a future event, and the generation that will actually witness and see the events will not pass, this will be the sign that it is near, "even at the doors", in the destruction of this existing heavens and earth as seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13, "FUTURE".

Peter doesn't have Matthew 24 in mind here...he has Matthew 25 in mind, so I agree that is future.

Partial pretersm teaches that Matthew 24 is fulfilled. What Peter is speaking of is the last day. We find Jesus speaking to the last day at Matthew 25:31 and on.

I don't need to look towards the translations for a new reading, my KJV is just fine and trustworthy at presenting God's truth, in reading "End of the World"!

KJV doesn't translate that passage best. You can hold to that but that doesn't make it so. I've been down that "KJV road" long ago...but as I grew and studied I've learned to compare because all translations fall short...including the KJV

The "end of the age" is the best way to translate Matthew 24:3

The Complete Jewish Bible really make the point using the phrase ‘olam hazeh':
3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the talmidim came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that you are coming, and that the ‘olam hazeh is ending?”

Young's Literal Translation:
3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'

NKJV:
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

ESV;
3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Amplified:
3 While He was seated on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately and said, Tell us, when will this take place, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end (the completion, the consummation) of the age?

NIV:
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Word study is important and as I studied the scripture I have learned to get by how we can become passion about translations when the question really should be "is the passage tranlated correctly"?

My study led me to agree that "end of the age" is the best rendering.

"We will agree to disagree"

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

Indeed. Jesus is Lord! Keep laboring in the word my friend.

 

[Bethwhite]

I agree 100%, when they are sealed that will be church, as all believers are sealed by God's Spirit, Eph 1:13, 4:30, they are blinded by the Zionist glasses that have been put on them, and the optometrists were John N. Darby, and Adulterer C.I. Scofield and his 1909 reference bible, false teachings!

Truth7t7

This is the same crap coming out of the mouths of Ahmadinijad and the muslim brotherhood.

You are using the word ZION as a pejorative. Nowhere in Scripture is Zion used as a derogatory term.


The root of that is anti-semitism and it's offensive. No wonder you think Jerusalem is Mystery Babylon.


Mat 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

Luk 6:45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

 

[ebedmelech]

This is the same crap coming out of the mouths of Ahmadinijad and the muslim brotherhood.

You are using the word ZION as a pejorative. Nowhere in Scripture is Zion used as a derogatory term.


The root of that is anti-semitism and it's offensive. No wonder you think Jerusalem is Mystery Babylon.


Mat 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

Luk 6:45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

No Beth, this is really the point...

God is a God of justice and equity. We read that all through scripture. Many Christians have this idea the Israel belongs in the land, so they close their eyes to the injustices Israel has committed against the Palestinians. They have take the property of Palestinian families (some who are Christians), unjustly.

Both sides are guilty of wrong doing. Both sides have committed injustices against one another.

You call it what it is.

 

[Bethwhite]

No Beth, this is really the point...

God is a God of justice and equity. We read that all through scripture. Many Christians have this idea the Israel belongs in the land, so they close their eyes to the injustices Israel has committed against the Palestinians. They have take the property of Palestinian families (some who are Christians), unjustly.

Both sides are guilty of wrong doing. Both sides have committed injustices against one another.

You call it what it is.

Read the prophets. Israel plunders her neighbors in the end.

Eze 39:10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign LORD.

Zep 2:9 Therefore, as surely as I live," declares the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, "surely Moab will become like Sodom, the Ammonites like Gomorrah-- a place of weeds and salt pits, a wasteland forever. The remnant of my people will plunder them; the survivors of my nation will inherit their land."

 

[ebedmelech]

Read the prophets. Israel plunders her neighbors in the end.

Eze 39:10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign LORD.

Zep 2:9 Therefore, as surely as I live," declares the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, "surely Moab will become like Sodom, the Ammonites like Gomorrah-- a place of weeds and salt pits, a wasteland forever. The remnant of my people will plunder them; the survivors of my nation will inherit their land."

Truly when you hold prophecy to how it applies, you will know how it applies. Did you read verse 23? It tells you this was done AFTER ISRAEL'S Exile! Read it:
Ezekiel 39:23:
23 The nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile for their iniquity because they acted treacherously against Me, and I hid My face from them; so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and all of them fell by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I dealt with them, and I hid My face from them.”’”

Right there should clue you in to how this passage applies! I was during Isreal's exile to Assyria

Who overthrew Assyria in the scriptures? Babylon did!!! King Nebuchadnezzar defeated the Assyrians and they became the power! What happened after that? The Lord then moved Cyrus to restore Israel to the land. You find that in Ezra 1.

You hold Ezekiel 39 to be future. It is not. Ezekiel is prophesies of what would happen in the restoration of the land to them. That was accomplished when Cyrus gave his decree in Ezra.

Your Zephaniah passage was fulfilled also. You have to listen to Zephaniah Beth. He told you what the time of his prophecy was in Zepahniah 1:1, 2:
The word of the Lord which came to Zephaniah son of Cushi, son of Gedaliah, son of Amariah, son of Hezekiah, in the days of Josiah son of Amon, king of Judah:

Now, you work from there, You understand that Judah has gone into captivity and they are to be restored after 70 years (that's Jeremiah 25:11)

Now...notice Zephaniah 2:10-12:
10 This they will have in return for their pride, because they have taunted and become arrogant against the people of the Lord of hosts.
1 The Lord will be terrifying to them, for He will starve all the gods of the earth; and all the coastlands of the nations will bow down to Him, everyone from his own place.
12 “You also, O Ethiopians, will be slain by My sword.”
13 And He will stretch out His hand against the north And destroy Assyria,
And He will make Nineveh a desolation, Parched like the wilderness.

You should now be able to understand when this is. The Assyrian Empire was defeated by Babylon who killed Josiah Jeremiah 25:8-11:
8 “Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘Because you have not obeyed My words,
9 behold, I will send and take all the families of the north,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will send to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, My servant, and will bring them against this land and against its inhabitants and against all these nations round about; and I will utterly destroy them and make them a horror and a hissing, and an everlasting desolation.
10 Moreover, I will take from them the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones and the light of the lamp.
11 This whole land will be a desolation and a horror, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

You're out of context because you don't apply the prophecy properly Beth. Babylon fulfilled the prophecy.

 

[Bethwhite]

Truly when you hold prophecy to how it applies, you will know how it applies. Did you read verse 23? It tells you this was done AFTER ISRAEL'S Exile! Read it:
Ezekiel 39:23:
23 The nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile for their iniquity because they acted treacherously against Me, and I hid My face from them; so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and all of them fell by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I dealt with them, and I hid My face from them.”’”

Right there should clue you in to how this passage applies! I was during Isreal's exile to Assyria

Who overthrew Assyria in the scriptures? Babylon did!!! King Nebuchadnezzar defeated the Assyrians and they became the power! What happened after that? The Lord then moved Cyrus to restore Israel to the land. You find that in Ezra 1.

You hold Ezekiel 39 to be future. It is not. Ezekiel is prophesies of what would happen in the restoration of the land to them. That was accomplished when Cyrus gave his decree in Ezra.

Your Zephaniah passage was fulfilled also. You have to listen to Zephaniah Beth. He told you what the time of his prophecy was in Zepahniah 1:1, 2:
The word of the Lord which came to Zephaniah son of Cushi, son of Gedaliah, son of Amariah, son of Hezekiah, in the days of Josiah son of Amon, king of Judah:

Now, you work from there, You understand that Judah has gone into captivity and they are to be restored after 70 years (that's Jeremiah 25:11)

Now...notice Zephaniah 2:10-12:
10 This they will have in return for their pride, because they have taunted and become arrogant against the people of the Lord of hosts.
1 The Lord will be terrifying to them, for He will starve all the gods of the earth; and all the coastlands of the nations will bow down to Him, everyone from his own place.
12 “You also, O Ethiopians, will be slain by My sword.”
13 And He will stretch out His hand against the north And destroy Assyria,
And He will make Nineveh a desolation, Parched like the wilderness.

You should now be able to understand when this is. The Assyrian Empire was defeated by Babylon who killed Josiah Jeremiah 25:8-11:
8 “Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘Because you have not obeyed My words,
9 behold, I will send and take all the families of the north,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will send to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, My servant, and will bring them against this land and against its inhabitants and against all these nations round about; and I will utterly destroy them and make them a horror and a hissing, and an everlasting desolation.
10 Moreover, I will take from them the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones and the light of the lamp.
11 This whole land will be a desolation and a horror, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

You're out of context because you don't apply the prophecy properly Beth. Babylon fulfilled the prophecy.

Future:

Zech 14:A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.
12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.
16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord[b] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[c] in the house of the Lord Almighty.