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[ebedmelech]

We have been given the exact year that a Babylonian king over his land must fall.

70 years

At the time of the decree of Cyrus, Babylon's kingdom had not yet lasted but about 66 years. Until Babylon's king gets in his full time, we cannot move from Jeremiah 25:11-12.

25:11
"...these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years."
v12
"And it shall come to when seventy years I will punish the king of Babylon..."

vinsight4u, you have this habit of looking at only portions of scripture and I'm wondering if this is why you come to the conclusions you do.

Let's start with the Decree of Cyrus which says the 70 years are fulfilled in Ezra 1:1:
Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he sent a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying:

There's no doubt here that Ezra says the 70 years are fulfilled.

The next error you make is Jeremiah 25:12:
12 ‘Then it will be when seventy years are completed I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation,’ declares the Lord, ‘for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it an everlasting desolation.

Notice that God does NOT say WHEN He will do this. You must remember that God used Cyrus to give the Jews safe passage from Babylon to Jerusalem.

If you have read Ezra and Nehemiah you know that during the entire time the temple was rebuilt Cyrus decree was in effect. Even after Cyrus, the kings after him saw to it that his decree was accomplished. Try reading Ezra 6 where the second King Darius searches the archives and finds the decree of Cyrus because the enemies of Ezra had stopped the rebuilding.
Guess where they are...Right Babylon! You'll find it in Ezra 6:1, 2:
Then King Darius issued a decree, and search was made in the archives, where the treasures were stored in Babylon.
2 In Ecbatana in the fortress, which is in the province of Media, a scroll was found and there was written in it as follows: “Memorandum—
3In the first year of King Cyrus, Cyrus the king issued a decree: ‘Concerning the house of God at Jerusalem, let the temple, the place where sacrifices are offered, be rebuilt and let its foundations be retained, its height being 60 cubits and its width 60 cubits;

This is why you can't just assume that right after the 70 years were fulfilled God went on to destroy Babylon. God said He would destroy Babylon, but he didn't say when...that's in His control to do.

The same Babylon king location is for both verses. It doesn't allow for foreign rulers to be over Chaldea for any of the counted 70 years.

This is a wrong assertion. It's not only wrong on the basis of Ezra 1:1, but it is wrong because if you read Ezra and Nehemiah you will find God uses the King of Persia to ensure the temple is rebuilt. This is not correct. Obviously you have never read Ezra nor Nehemiah or you wouldn't say this. You're basically saying Ezra1:1 is not true.

So first, Babylon has to be in power at the end of the seventy years, and
it wasn't. Persia and the Medes had their kings ruling Babylon before Babylon itself ruled her prophesied time. This is why Daniel supplicated after reading the Jeremiah prophecy. Daniel knew the Babylonian king time had not been completed. Gabriel came to show Daniel it will be done by the little horn. Daniel 9:27 "...till the consummation..."

This is just terrible reading of scripture vinsight4u. This has nothing at all to do with the 70 years.

Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy starts when Cyrus issues the Decree to restore Jerusalem. Daniel 9:25 tells you that:
25So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

So when Cyrus issue the decree, the 70 weeks start. Try to stick to scripture.

This means, after the end of Babylonian king time to rule, only then will the king and his land go down.

Both of Jeremiah's 70-yr prophecies started at the same time, but Jeremiah 25:12 is still awaiting its end.

Median and Persian kings were ruling over the Jews for part of the 70 years of their captivity in Babylon. But the Jews must also leave Babylon one day ===when it will be time to punish the Babylonian king.

Daniel 9:24
"Seventy weeks are determined to finish..."

There is also a time of other desolations noted in verse 26, but none of those foreign desolations of Jerusalem count as part of the 70 weeks.
Only the final week, when the little horn rises, can Babylon again get over the land of Israel and finish its time to rule and desolate them.

What is being finished?
The time needed to get to when a Babylonian king ends his time to rule over the land of Israel and being Babylon's final evil king -sees the time of the last part of the seventy years where the Babylonians rule the nations.

This is why Daniel even asked God not to defer them returning to Jerusalem, because he shows us in Daniel 9 that he knew there had come a huge problem as to the rule of Babylonian kings.

Persia and Media conquer many lands, but they are still kings of their own land. A new empire had conquered Babylon, and Babylon no longer had a king of its own in power. Years passed before the Jews could return to Jerusalem, so ======there must yet come a time of Babylon ruling again.
Babylon had prospered, even in the days of Cyrus and Darius, but she has not again had a king of her own that took Israel captive, so the Jews can flee under Babylonian control.

All of that is totally erroneous vinsight4u. You are not reading the scripture correctly in determining this.

I'm going to ask you this one question...

Why does Ezra say the 70 years are fulfilled...but you say they weren't.

Did Ezra lie?

I strongly encourage you to research the 70 year exile before you continue along this path.

 

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[ebedmelech]

Hi ebedmelech,

The 70 years of captivity back then were fulfilled, but not fulfilled was the taking down of a Babylonian king and his land at the end of 70 years.

Babylon will rise again, have her king with his few years that remain for the nations to serve him, and then those 70 years of a Babylonian king time being over - we can move to Jeremiah 25:12 where that king will be taken down.

Jeremiah 25:11-13 is not a prophecy about just go to Babylon, stay there for 70 years and return no more who is in power.
This verse requires a Babylonian king be punished after Israel returns from his land.

Let me try to point out to you what is wrong with this...

You're concentrating on the "Babylonian king"...but the scripture focus is on the Babylonian Empire and the Persian Empire.

The kings of those empires reigned from Babylon. All you need to do is read the scripture.

In Daniel 2 you have Daniel interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the statue the king saw. There he tells him of his Empire in Daniel 2:36-38:
36 “This was the dream; now we will tell its interpretation before the king.
37 You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength and the glory;
38 and wherever the sons of men dwell, or the beasts of the field, or the birds of the sky, He has given them into your hand and has caused you to rule over them all. You are the head of gold.

Nebuchadnezzar was king of the Babylonian Empire. Babylon was the Empire until Belshazzar was defeated by Persia in Daniel 5, after Belshazzar defiled the golden cups taken from the temple when Nebuchadnezzar captured it.

After the Babylonian Empire was defeated by Darius, the Persian Empire ruled from Babylon as Daniel 5:30 says:
30 That same night Belshazzar the Chaldean king was slain.
31 So Darius the Mede received the kingdom at about the age of sixty-two.

Darius reigned until his death and Cyrus became king over the Persian Empire. But please also take note that Darius is clearly spoken of in Daniel 9:1-3 as part of the Fulfillment of the 70 year exile also:
In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of Median descent, who was made king over the kingdom of the Chaldeans—
2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, observed in the books the number of the years which was revealed as the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet for the completion of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.

Notice it says Darius was given the kingdom of the Chaldeans...so Darius is reigning from Babylon.

Now...please notice that Cyrus becomes the king of the Persian Empire as Daniel prophesies in Daniel 10:1, 2:
In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, who was named Belteshazzar; and the message was true and one of great conflict, but he understood the message and had an understanding of the vision.

So you see that Cyrus now has the Persian Empire just as Daniel 2 says.

Ezra 1:1 tells you Cyrus' decree fulfills the 70 year exile:
Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he sent a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying:

Notice that Cyrus' decree is throughout all his kingdom! That was the Persian Empire.

After Persia was defeated by Alexander the Great Babylon steadily declined in prominence. You can read that in Daniel 11 as the kingdom was the broken up into four kingdoms.

Babylon has never again had the prominence it had under the Babylonian and Persian Empires, and it deteriorated consistently as it was mixed up in wars from that point on.

So the kings of Babylon were kings those two empires and God did punish the king of Babylon. It was done by Greece (Alexander The Great). This is prophesied by Daniel in Daniel 11:1-4
“In the first year of Darius the Mede, I arose to be an encouragement and a protection for him.
2And now I will tell you the truth. Behold, three more kings are going to arise in Persia.Then a fourth will gain far more riches than all of them; as soon as he becomes strong through his riches, he will arouse the whole empire against the realm of Greece.
3 And a mighty king will arise, and he will rule with great authority and do as he pleases.
4 But as soon as he has arisen, his kingdom will be broken up and parceled out toward the four points of the compass, though not to his own descendants, nor according to his authority which he wielded, for his sovereignty will be uprooted and given to others besides them.

That was accomplished by Alexander the Great, and the Grecian Empire prevailed for a short time...he defeated the Persian Empire.

It was not about kings vinsighght4u...it was about kings of empires, particularly the Babylonian and Persian.

Babylon is nothing. don't you find it interesting that everytime anyone has tried to build up Babylon it has been destroyed again?

Have you ever read Isaiah 47?

 

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