How happy will you be in Heaven?

[Ken-1122]

Humans enjoy building, learning, fixing, accomplishing, and making the world a better place than which we found it. We enjoy learning from our parents and those who came before us; adding to what we’ve learned and passing that knowledge to our children so they can add to what we’ve taught them and pass that to their children; and so forth.

But what happens when you get to Heaven, where everything is perfect? No more fixing, or learning, no more passing knowledge and accomplishments from one generation to another, all you do is sit around telling God how good he is; how long before that gets old?

Here on Earth humans rule, but in Heaven God rules and it seems to me humans will pretty much take on the role of what we would consider a pet! How happy do you think Humans would be under such conditions? How happy do you really think you would be in Heaven?

Ken

 

[ChristianT]

Umm.. idk who told you humans rule earth... God is still in control, He just lets us fix or destroy the world as we please (considering He interferes as He sees fit.)

Anyway, from what I hear about Heaven, it's sure not going to be anything about building, fixing, or destroying. From what I've heard, we all have our own mansions, we can interact with anyone from our past (like grandparents and other saved kin/friends). As for worshipping God forever, that is our desire anyway, so being able to without any distraction sounds like a blessing to be honest. From what I hear, it's so amazing that you really can't choose not to praise God, it's so beautiful and real and enhanced senses that you can hear songs of praise and find yourself singing even if you don't know the words. (Ever heard of a joyful noise? I'm sure we would be instructed the language of heaven upon entry )

Also, it sounds like you have misinterpreted what someone has told you or what you read. When it says God is Abba or Father, it means just that: that He is like a father and as a perfect father, loves us as His children just as He loves Christ, since we are made like Christ. I don't know what your dad did, but my dad was always fun and always treated me with love, never as some kind of pet, but as a son. In heaven, we are just more perceptive to, and exposed so intensely to His love that we never could be here on earth. Anyways, if our mansions ever need a remodeling, Noah must be good with wood, Jesus was a carpenter's step-son, Solomon was the wisest man and along with God's ultimate instruction and help, we could definitely keep maintenance whenever we need it. Have you ever heard the song, "Is there a home-depot in heaven?" by Tim Hawkins?

 

[MLEN]

There will be so many more things to explore when we go to Heaven and when God makes this earth new. The potential to learn, think and grow that God originally made mankind with will finally be realized infinitely as we will then live in a world that is not tainted with the debilitating stain of sin on the mind, body or soul. God himself tells us that `eye has not seen, nor ear heard of all the wonderful things that God has in store' for those who make it to Heaven. In other words, our present finite minds cannot comprehend nor imagine (even if we tried all of our lives) what glorious new heights we will reach intellectually, physically or spiritually once God gives us new bodies and takes us to Heaven with him. What an awesome promise! I can't wait!

 

[drich0150]

Humans enjoy building, learning, fixing, accomplishing, and making the world a better place than which we found it. We enjoy learning from our parents and those who came before us; adding to what we’ve learned and passing that knowledge to our children so they can add to what we’ve taught them and pass that to their children; and so forth.

But what happens when you get to Heaven, where everything is perfect?

Perfect does not mean complete. We will have things to do learn and care for.

Here on Earth humans rule, but in Heaven God rules and it seems to me humans will pretty much take on the role of what we would consider a pet! How happy do you think Humans would be under such conditions? How happy do you really think you would be in Heaven?

on a scale from 1 to 10, 100.

 

[Ken-1122]

Umm.. idk who told you humans rule earth... God is still in control, He just lets us fix or destroy the world as we please (considering He interferes as He sees fit.)

I say humans rule the Earth because we do what we want, we make up the rules and we enforce those rules; without any obvious interference by God.

Anyway, from what I hear about Heaven, it's sure not going to be anything about building, fixing, or destroying.

What about those who like to build or fix things?

From what I've heard, we all have our own mansions, we can interact with anyone from our past (like grandparents and other saved kin/friends).

But will it be the same? The image I have of my grandmother is one of a 60+ yr old wise woman whom I looked up to and respected as someone on a higher level than I; and I loved her that way. Supposed my Grandmother wants to spend eternity as a 20 yr old so she can look up to someone else? What is that going to do about my fantasy of a relationship with my Grandmother?

Also, it sounds like you have misinterpreted what someone has told you or what you read. When it says God is Abba or Father, it means just that: that He is like a father and as a perfect father, loves us as His children just as He loves Christ, since we are made like Christ. I don't know what your dad did, but my dad was always fun and always treated me with love, never as some kind of pet, but as a son.

Many people treat their pets almost as if they were children. The reason I said you guys would be more like pets is because when a father raises his child, he not only loves him but he teaches that child everything he knows so when that child grows up he can eventually function on a equal level as the father and participate in ruling the world, as the father currently does.
With a pet, their owners don’t teach them everything they know because the owners have no intention of having the pet help rule the world. If God has no intention of teaching people in heaven everything he knows, and he has no intention of passing the reins on to his children so they might one day rule, how can you compare that to a father/son relationship?

In heaven, we are just more perceptive to, and exposed so intensely to His love that we never could be here on earth. Anyways, if our mansions ever need a remodeling, Noah must be good with wood, Jesus was a carpenter's step-son, Solomon was the wisest man and along with God's ultimate instruction and help, we could definitely keep maintenance whenever we need it. Have you ever heard the song, "Is there a home-depot in heaven?" by Tim Hawkins?

Will Jesus Noah, and Solomon be the only ones allowed to do work? What about everybody else? Where will they get their sense of worth? Of purpose? Of accomplishment? What reason will they have to get out of bed in the morning?

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

Perfect does not mean complete. We will have things to do learn and care for.

Such as????
Ken

 

[DCJazz]

Well, I can think of one thing at least.

God is infinite. That's an eternal curriculum, I should think.
As far as other things, I imagine we won't be sitting on our butts all day bored out of our minds. I'm pretty sure we'd have some kind of work to do. As to what that would be, God knows.

But to be honest, I don't care about golden roads or pearly gates or eternal mansions, or other such stuff like that, real or imagined. As long as I'm with God for eternity, that is all I care about as far as 'heaven' goes, so far as my own self is concerned. But I want others to be there with God too.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Humans enjoy building, learning, fixing, accomplishing, and making the world a better place than which we found it. We enjoy learning from our parents and those who came before us; adding to what we’ve learned and passing that knowledge to our children so they can add to what we’ve taught them and pass that to their children; and so forth.

But what happens when you get to Heaven, where everything is perfect? No more fixing, or learning, no more passing knowledge and accomplishments from one generation to another, all you do is sit around telling God how good he is; how long before that gets old?

Here on Earth humans rule, but in Heaven God rules and it seems to me humans will pretty much take on the role of what we would consider a pet! How happy do you think Humans would be under such conditions? How happy do you really think you would be in Heaven?

Ken

I understand where you get your assessment of "heaven", however I think it barely comes close to what has been present in Christianity concerning the Age to Come.

What we can say most explicitly is this: We simply don't know what life then will be like. It has not come yet, the fullness of the Divine Reign is not yet. That said, the notion that there will nothing to accomplish, nothing to do, nothing to build (etc) has no basis in either the biblical witness or the patristic tradition.

The Revelation symbolically shows the saints joining in the heavenly choir under the altar of God singing praises to Him, and as such has become a powerful symbolic description of the interim between death and resurrection; but it must be read within the general context of the Revelation and not as a literal depiction of "heaven" and especially not of the Age to Come (though it's not to say that it doesn't offer us a level of insight that is most beneficial as we reflect upon the beatific vision).

What will be the desire of man in the Age to Come? What may the world look like and how will it be at that time? What experiences are there to be experienced throughout the entirety of forever? The imagination can dream, and most certainly the imagination, finite as it is, cannot even fathom it.

I can be confident, by faith, that that future time will be most blessed and more astonishing then anything I can dream in this life, and that joy, fulfillment and happiness will be on a magnitude greater than I presently comprehend them.

Would I be happy with the caricature presented in the OP, a saccharine image that is paper thin? Unlikely.

But Christianity does not posit a boring, overly caricatured, cloud-land "up there" where we strum monotonous tones on golden harps.

Rather, Christianity imagines an eternal epilogue to the ongoing story of creation. The eighth day.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Ken-1122]

I understand where you get your assessment of "heaven", however I think it barely comes close to what has been present in Christianity concerning the Age to Come.

What we can say most explicitly is this: We simply don't know what life then will be like. It has not come yet, the fullness of the Divine Reign is not yet.

So if you don't know what you are in for, you really don't know if you will like it.

That said, the notion that there will nothing to accomplish, nothing to do, nothing to build (etc) has no basis in either the biblical witness or the patristic tradition.

The Revelation symbolically shows the saints joining in the heavenly choir under the altar of God singing praises to Him, and as such has become a powerful symbolic description of the interim between death and resurrection; but it must be read within the general context of the Revelation and not as a literal depiction of "heaven" and especially not of the Age to Come (though it's not to say that it doesn't offer us a level of insight that is most beneficial as we reflect upon the beatific vision).

What will be the desire of man in the Age to Come? What may the world look like and how will it be at that time? What experiences are there to be experienced throughout the entirety of forever? The imagination can dream, and most certainly the imagination, finite as it is, cannot even fathom it.

I can be confident, by faith, that that future time will be most blessed and more astonishing then anything I can dream in this life, and that joy, fulfillment and happiness will be on a magnitude greater than I presently comprehend them.

Would I be happy with the caricature presented in the OP, a saccharine image that is paper thin? Unlikely.

But Christianity does not posit a boring, overly caricatured, cloud-land "up there" where we strum monotonous tones on golden harps.

Rather, Christianity imagines an eternal epilogue to the ongoing story of creation. The eighth day.

-CryptoLutheran

So is it safe to say that you don't know if you will be happy, but you have faith that you will?

Ken

 

[pdudgeon]

Humans enjoy building, learning, fixing, accomplishing, and making the world a better place than which we found it. We enjoy learning from our parents and those who came before us; adding to what we’ve learned and passing that knowledge to our children so they can add to what we’ve taught them and pass that to their children; and so forth.

But what happens when you get to Heaven, where everything is perfect? No more fixing, or learning, no more passing knowledge and accomplishments from one generation to another, all you do is sit around telling God how good he is; how long before that gets old?

Here on Earth humans rule, but in Heaven God rules and it seems to me humans will pretty much take on the role of what we would consider a pet! How happy do you think Humans would be under such conditions? How happy do you really think you would be in Heaven?

Ken

don't know about you, but i would be deleriously happy! no more pain, no more aging, no more hunger, being loved beyond belief, the most beautiful sights, having all my questions answered, seeing everyone i love, talking with people who were born and died before i existed...and then to top it all off there's Jesus! oh my!

i can hardly wait! With everything in me I so long to be there.

 

[elman]

Humans enjoy building, learning, fixing, accomplishing, and making the world a better place than which we found it. We enjoy learning from our parents and those who came before us; adding to what we’ve learned and passing that knowledge to our children so they can add to what we’ve taught them and pass that to their children; and so forth.

But what happens when you get to Heaven, where everything is perfect? No more fixing, or learning, no more passing knowledge and accomplishments from one generation to another, all you do is sit around telling God how good he is; how long before that gets old?

Here on Earth humans rule, but in Heaven God rules and it seems to me humans will pretty much take on the role of what we would consider a pet! How happy do you think Humans would be under such conditions? How happy do you really think you would be in Heaven?

Ken

We don't know what heaven will be like. I think speculation on it to form a basis for worry that you will not like it is a waste of time. If God is and God is good, you don't need to worry about it.

 

[athenken]

Personally I think there would be nothing to worry about in Heaven. It will basically be a place where you can relax and do whatever you want, without sin. I would like to think there would at least be some areas that will include an accurate history of the world, for us history-buffs. For those who enjoy golf I would like to think there are golf courses aplenty, etc...

 

[bling]

Ken,

First off: We really have very little information about heaven (and frankly we do not need much information). We know we will be happy there.

Second: Christians are happiest serving others.

Third: Although not addressed directly those that never reach adult maturity while here on earth will never have had the opportunity to fulfill their earthly objective (obtaining and growing Godly type Love), so these immature would inter heaven with only a wonderful Child for wonderful parent type Love. These individuals would need protection and to be preserved for eternity, which provides opportunities for those with Godly type love to serve.

 

[omanid]

Theres a verse that says we'll reign...Revelation 22:5..


And there will be no night there--no need for lamps or sun--for the Lord God will shine on them. And they will reign forever and ever.

 

[Ken-1122]

Ken,

First off: We really have very little information about heaven (and frankly we do not need much information). We know we will be happy there.

Second: Christians are happiest serving others.

Third: Although not addressed directly those that never reach adult maturity while here on earth will never have had the opportunity to fulfill their earthly objective (obtaining and growing Godly type Love), so these immature would inter heaven with only a wonderful Child for wonderful parent type Love. These individuals would need protection and to be preserved for eternity, which provides opportunities for those with Godly type love to serve.

What in Heaven would these immature individuals would need protecton from?

K

 

[bling]

What in Heaven would these immature individuals would need protecton from?

K

They still have free will and can sin so "poor choices".

 

[athenken]

They still have free will and can sin so "poor choices".

How do you figure there will be sin in heaven?

 

[Ken-1122]

They still have free will and can sin so "poor choices".

Are you suggesting you guys will have the free will to sin in Heaven? If that's the case, what's to stop everyone else from sinning in heaven? Christians admit they aren't perfect; that they do make mistakes and sin every now and then, so if you sin while here on Earth, what makes you think you are gonna all of a sudden stop and do what no other christian has been able to do and spend the rest of eternity perfect? That would be like expecting my "tramp" of an ex girlfriend to quit sleeping around once I put a ring on her finger and marry her! If you can't do it now, don't expect to do it latter

Ken

 

[bling]

How do you figure there will be sin in heaven?

No, but we could since we still have free will.

 

[athenken]

No, but we could since we still have free will.

Explain, please.