All-American Muslim

[Drunk On Love]

I do not see the bigotry here on behalf of Lowes. Rather, I see a company afraid their support for the show will hurt their profit return and as a result, decided to rescind their support. Acting out of financial concern, greed, or a desire to maximize a profit is not bigotry.

I agree. The bigotry was on the part of the Florida Family Association. I believe they caved into the bigoted demands out of greed rather than any ideological agreement.

 

[Drunk On Love]

Some people dislike when Muslims are portrayed as regular people. It might cause people to empathize with them and view them as humans rather than members of some scary other. It breeds too much familiarity and might get in the way of propaganda efforts for the next war in the Middle East. Thankfully the world is becoming smaller and more interconnected. We are starting to know one another and recognize that we are not that different. People are trying desperately to counter act this but I don't think it will work in the long run.

 

[Eternally Optimistic]

I fail to see the big deal here. It is the free market actually working, messy though it may be; TLC can air its show, and people can choose whether or not to watch it and what to make of it, a group (for better or worse, it really doesn't matter) called for a boycott of a company for sponsering the show, the company responded, others do not like how the company responded and can choose with their dollars how to react to the company; there are no calls for violence, no government censorship or coercion, rather an excercise in the 1st amendment...God. Bless. America.

 

[variant]

I fail to see the big deal here. It is the free market actually working, messy though it may be; TLC can air its show, and people can choose whether or not to watch it and what to make of it, a group (for better or worse, it really doesn't matter) called for a boycott of a company for sponsering the show, the company responded, others do not like how the company responded and can choose with their dollars how to react to the company; there are no calls for violence, no government censorship or coercion, rather an excercise in the 1st amendment...God. Bless. America.

And we're criticizing them with words for a boycotting, and appeasing the boycotters.

We've not left first amendment territory. But both the boycott and the company that chose to appease it get to hear everyone else's first amendment rights too, they don't have the right to use the first amendment in a vacuum.

 

[Eternally Optimistic]

And we're criticizing them with words for a boycotting, and appeasing the boycotters.

We've not left first amendment territory. But both the boycott and the company that chose to appease it get to hear everyone else's first amendment rights too, they don't have the right to use the first amendment in a vacuum.

exactly...as I said in my previous post:

others do not like how the company responded and can choose with their dollars how to react to the company

Lowes has to live with the consequences of its decision, and would have had to had they decided to still sponser the show. Freedom of choice may be messy but it is lovely.

 

[variant]

exactly...as I said in my previous post:

others do not like how the company responded and can choose with their dollars how to react to the company

Lowes has to live with the consequences of its decision, and would have had to had they decided to still sponser the show. Freedom of choice may be messy but it is lovely.

Well I was agreeing with you.

I am saying it hasn't become a "big deal".

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Huh.

 

[EdwinWillers]

exactly...as I said in my previous post:

others do not like how the company responded and can choose with their dollars how to react to the company

Lowes has to live with the consequences of its decision, and would have had to had they decided to still sponser the show. Freedom of choice may be messy but it is lovely.

Lowes did absolutely nothing wrong.

They found themselves in the middle of a political propaganda hailstorm and properly chose to extract themselves from it - as ANY prudent business would that is responsible to shareholders (being a publicly-traded corporation).

That the FFA wrote them a letter urging them to remove their ads from the show and them subsequently doing just that does not imply in the least that Lowes agrees with, let alone supports the FFA's contention regarding the show. Again, it was a prudent business decision to take the company out of a politically-charged situation. Unfortunately, it backfired on them.

Since Lowes did pull their ads - they (and not the FFA, ironically) now find themselves at the forefront of all manner of liberal hatred - evidenced by one of the stupidest accusations I've heard from a Democrat congressman in nearly a day:

Calling the Lowe's decision "un-American" and "naked religious bigotry," Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance, told The Associated Press he would also consider legislative action if Lowe's doesn't apologize to Muslims and reinstate its ads.

This 'person' [Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance] would now REQUIRE Lowes to pay for and take out ads on this reality TV show or face legislation against them.

In an equally moronic statement, Sen. Ted Lieu, D-Torrance] followed with this after Lowes' apology for their actions:

The senator vowed to look into whether Lowe's violated any California laws and said he would also consider drafting a senate resolution condemning the company's actions.

"We want to raise awareness so that consumers will know during this holiday shopping season that Lowe's is engaging in religious discrimination," Lieu said.

So now he's threatening the company too.

That's the real story here - a United States Senator threatening a business with legislative action if they don't do his bidding - propagandizing their actions with hate-speech like "engaging in religious discrimination" and being "un-American" and engaging in "naked religious bigotry."

All because they made a business decision to extract themselves from a politically-charged situation.

 

[Harpuia]

You know, my grad assistant partner through grad school was a married Muslim woman from Sri Lanka. Nothing really scary about her.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Lowes did absolutely nothing wrong.

They found themselves in the middle of a political propaganda hailstorm and properly chose to extract themselves from it - as ANY prudent business would that is responsible to shareholders (being a publicly-traded corporation).

That the FFA wrote them a letter urging them to remove their ads from the show and them subsequently doing just that does not imply in the least that Lowes agrees with, let alone supports the FFA's contention regarding the show. Again, it was a prudent business decision to take the company out of a politically-charged situation. Unfortunately, it backfired on them.
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If the TV show in question were about American conservative Christians, I suspect your response would differ.

 

[Harpuia]

If the TV show in question were about American conservative Christians, I suspect your response would differ.

Edwin's right though. Lowe's didn't really do anything wrong. If they wanted to pull out, so be it.

I put the blame solely on the FFA.

 

[Eternally Optimistic]

You know, my grad assistant partner through grad school was a married Muslim woman from Sri Lanka. Nothing really scary about her.

ding ding ding. I've known plenty of Muslims who really do fit the "All American" moniker. CAIR can be kinda annoying IMO, but so can Bill Donhue from the Catholic League (and I say that as a Catholic). Sure there are some pretty scary wack jobs, but they are akin to the Aryan Nation...well with more kills granted.

 

[variant]

Edwin's right though. Lowe's didn't really do anything wrong. If they wanted to pull out, so be it.

I put the blame solely on the FFA.

They are responsible for their actions.

They chose to appease the FFA and they deserve any criticism that comes with that.

 

[Harpuia]

They are responsible for their actions.

They chose to appease the FFA and they deserve any criticism that comes with that.

Would you say the same if CAIR manages to pressure Lowe's back into the sponsorship?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Edwin's right though. Lowe's didn't really do anything wrong. If they wanted to pull out, so be it.

I put the blame solely on the FFA.

I agree completely. But even as a business decision this one lacked foresight. By attempting to remove themselves from a potentially contentious position, they've put themselves in the center of it. I still maintain, however, that if the TV show was about conservative Christians, the FFA and others would cry foul.

 

[Harpuia]

I agree completely. But even as a business decision this one lacked foresight. By attempting to remove themselves from a potentially contentious position, they've put themselves in the center of it. I still maintain, however, that if the TV show was about conservative Christians, the FFA and others would cry foul.

"Duh" moment of the night. The FFA are no better than those two business majors back at my university.

 

[variant]

Would you say the same if CAIR manages to pressure Lowe's back into the sponsorship?

Yes it's a free society. They also deserved the criticism from the FFA for daring to sponsor a show that depicted normal hard working Muslims Americans as normal hard working Muslim Americans.

 

[Harpuia]

Yes it's a free society. They also deserved the criticism from the FFA for daring to sponsor a show that depicted normal hard working Muslims Americans as normal hard working Muslim Americans.

Ok, you got me there.

 

[Eternally Optimistic]

I agree completely. But even as a business decision this one lacked foresight. By attempting to remove themselves from a potentially contentious position, they've put themselves in the center of it. I still maintain, however, that if the TV show was about conservative Christians, the FFA and others would cry foul.

and in that case CAIR would probably be the ones demanding Lowes not sponser it!

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Edwin's right though. Lowe's didn't really do anything wrong. If they wanted to pull out, so be it.

I put the blame solely on the FFA.

Second.