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Hell doesn't exist as a concept in the bible and was man-made

And you say tat you are BORN AGAIN. , !!

Need you reply of 1 John. 5;18. !!

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# 3. WHO SO EVER ////////. PAS. is in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. , in the SINGULAR

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# 8 NOT ///////. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE it you cannot EVERRRRR. SIN EVER

# A. Is this verse under the LAW. ?

# B. IS BUNDER THE NEW COVANAT

#C IS IT UNDER THE BODY OF CHRIST

#D. USE DO NOT KNOW

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If you can't present a proper English sentence structure in a question without trying to insert Greek aspects in it, then don't reply to me.
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What is a moderate?

My advice is to dispense with the labels. You have to disconnect the issues and look at each item separately. You can find principles that you apply to policies based on God's word. An example is debt of government. "The borrower is slave to the lender." Thus, it is better to store up during good years to help during lean years.
maria too is right: What is love? This answer may vary somewhat. An example for me though is in immigration, should families be broken up because of immigration status? Is it more loving to send them packing, or if they have jobs give them some status to stay?
Many just prefer political or social labels so they do not need to investigate matters for themselves. But especially in Christianity and in good public policy we have to know why we believe in something, and not just accept things as our parents, education or even church teaches. We all use such short cuts but it is better to be independent and really take a look behind the curtain. Sadly, there is lots of deception in politics too. It is tough to know the heart and character is important. Sometimes labels are not used correctly and often can vary in meaning. People change as well. Some frankly don't even know themselves and will either follow money or do whatever it takes to be elected or remain in leadership.

This test of maybe 50 questions or so, will help you find yourself on two dimensions. One is left/right the other is authoritarian/libertarian. While these are labels, it offers some insight into the two dimensions they test. The Political Compass
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Foot washing?

While that’s true, the situation here is literally the opposite: the Ethiopian Orthodox converting non-Christian Rastafarians away from their decadent and indulgent false religion to the true religion of Christ our God.

To be clear, Rastafarianism didn’t consist of Ethiopian Orthodox Christians who decided to reject 1600 years of Christian teaching in order to smoke massive amounts of marijuana and perform obnoxious Reggae music, but rather, consisted of Jamaicans who heard of Emperor Haile Selassie, and, contrary to the wishes of the Emperor, decided that he was God, for reasons derived mainly from the color of his skin and the connections between Ethopia and ancient Israel. Among Ethiopians the small Rasta community that immigrated there is not well regarded.

Neither the Emperor, nor the Ethiopian church, refused to take action, however - actions to evangelize the people of the Carribean, including the Rastas, were undertaken, and these have been very successful in converting many Rastas to Christ.

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Now that being said, Ethiopia did have, for several centuries, two schismatic, heretical sects which competed with the Orthodox for control of the church, both of which had seriously deranged teachings, however, through the grace of God, the Orthodox party associated with the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria and most members of the Imperial household triumphed. But the schism was probably the worst one to happen to an Oriental Orthodox church since the Maronites broke away from the Syriac Orthodox Church in (many believe this was because the Maronites opted to embrace the Monothelite heresy being promoted at the time as a means of achieving EO-OO reconciliation, which resulted in St. Maximos the Confessor losing his tongue, and which also resulted in Pope Honorius I being the only legitimate Bishop of Rome (not counting anti-Popes) to ever be anathematized as a heretic by the Roman Catholic Church post-mortem).
Again, thank you for the excellent information. I did not intend to imply that Rastafarianism is a heretical offshoot of Ethiopian Orthodoxy, but merely a cult, not unlike the Mormons, which decided to adopt Christian trappings in order to provide some sort of legitimacy to their cult.
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The doctrine of imputation is hypocritical

Here's the beauty in Imputation. God imputed Adam's sin to us. Then God Imputed our sin to Christ. And then Imputed Christ's righteousness to us. All according to Romans 5. But look how we made out. Jesus is God, so we now have the infinite righteousness of God worthy of all the blessings only God deserves!!
Baptism with water is what Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:18-20 and which we must receive to remove our sins from our souls. The Holy Spirit then abides in our souls after our sins (Adam's and our own) are removed. It is the Holy Spirit's presence that sanctifies us and keeps us sanctified. We are made holy and kept holy by the Holy Spirit's abiding presence.

1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Washed - baptized
Sanctified - made holy
Justified - reconciled to God
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Bill Gates Says Climate Change ‘Will Not Lead to Humanity’s Demise’

James Hansen predicted that burning all existing fossil fuels "would make most of the planet uninhabitable by humans"...
Which we haven't (yet), so Hansen's prediction doesn't apply.
Another thing to keep in mind is to check when a certain prediction was done and whether it was the best case scenario, the most probable or worst case scenario.
Prior to 2014 it was projected that we would cause a rise in temperature of 4°C for the year 2100. In 2015 the Paris Agreement was accepted targeting 1.5°C or maximum 2°C increase. Different measures taken have indeed lowered the expected warming from 4°C to 2.7°C by the year 2100. Still very bad, compare that with an obese person who has lowered its BMI from 40 to 37, that person will still have severe health issues, but less severe than if it stayed at 40.
I know most of the planet is not all the planet, so I guess Gates built kind of a strawman, but even then, sources say we've already burned half of earth's supply, and all we've seen so far are a couple tennis court size islands go underwater.
Which is only one consequence of global warming.
It is expected that a big area will be inhabitable due to heating, and that in an even bigger part of the world heat stress will cause a lower life expectancy.
Besides that, if the lives and wellbeing of outdoor workers is of no concern, their economic productivity will decline also.
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And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors...

Peace in Christ.

Why seek the living among the dead….the dead man-based churches where they are continuing to serve the sin and are mortally perishing to the grave?

He is not there among them for He is risen.

He is alive now so that we might have His risen life now in our mortal bodies. Jesus died in our place. He died in the flesh and was resurrected in the flesh so that our mortal flesh is made alive by Him as His life is to be made manifest there.

Don’t believe the man-based preaching of their covenant with death and their agreement with the grave. The Son of God comes to give us an understanding so that their lies and deceptions are swept away as He opens up the Scriptures to our understanding.

The “two men” in shining garments = Moses and Elijah = the Law and the prophets. We are to hear Him (Jesus) as He opens up their words to our hearing ears.

Luk 24:
(3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
(4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

(5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

Jesus IS RISEN. He is not in the dead man-based churches where they are all mortally perishing because they continue to serve the sin. Jesus is alive now so that we might have His life now in our mortal flesh.

(6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,

Yet, no flesh is being saved in the man-based churches where the Son of man is being given up into the hands of sinful men who are actively preventing His life from ever being made manifest in the mortal flesh of their deceived congregations.

(7) Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

The “princes of this age”….our church rulers….are actively NOW crucifying His life (the Lord of glory) from being made manifest in this earth. The come to nothing as their end is destruction of the flesh. “world” = age.

1Co 2:6-8
(6) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world (AGE), that come to nought:
(7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world (age) unto our glory:

The “Lord of glory” is already RISEN NOW to glory. But, they are actively crucifying the Lord of glory from this earth in their ignorance of the gospel of the glory of Jesus. His manifest glory life is not being made manifest in the mortal flesh of those they are deceiving….who are perishing away mortally to the grave without this manifestation.

(8) Which none of the princes of this world (AGE) knew: for had they known it, they would not crucify the Lord of glory.

The Prince of life is being “killed” from this earth who God has ALREADY RAISED FROM THE DEAD. We are denying the Holy One and the Just when we choose “another jesus” that the princes of this age are preaching to us.

Act 3:14-17 KJV
(14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
(15) And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

(16) And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

In ignorance though do we do this ….as do our church rulers….the princes of this age… which come to nothing as their end is destruction of the flesh.

(17) And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

The “princes of this age” are serving only for their own belly (they preach themselves only)…which is the “god of this age” ….and so their minds are blinded to the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God.

This knowledge of the gospel does NOT enlighten them. They have no understanding of it. If they did, they would be preaching it to their congregations so that they may manifest His light to the people of the outside world.

2Co 4:3-7 KJV
(3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost (PERISHING):
(4) In whom the god of this world (AGE) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

(5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

We are to shine the glory of God to the people of the outside world (who are in deep darkness) in the face of Jesus Christ that we with “open face” reflect and manifest to them so that they may “see” Him through us and be saved. The light within us is to shine forth to the people of the outside world giving them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ whom we are to reflect to them so that they may "see" Him through us.

(6) For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

This is not about “dying and going to heaven” (as currently being taught by all man-based churches)…this is about having His life NOW in our mortal flesh…in this “earthen vessel.” We have this treasure in “earthen vessels.”

(7) But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Now if we are dead with Christ (dying to the sin…being freed from the sin), we believe we shall also live with Him…for He is RISEN NOW so that we might have His life NOW in this mortal body.

Rom 6:4-11
(4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
(5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

(6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of THE (definite article) sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve THE sin.

He that is “dead” is freed from the sin. This is our “death” now.

(7) For he that is dead is freed from THE sin.

Now if we are dead (from serving the sin) with Christ, we believe also that we shall LIVE with Him.

Christ gives our mortal flesh His life so that we do NOT mortally die for He is ALIVE NOW…He is risen. He has already tasted mortal death for us so that we do not die. He has ALREADY mortally died in our place so that we do not have to die.

(8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Christ is already raised from the dead and dies no more. Death has no more dominion over Him.

We also are to reckon ourselves to be “dead” unto THE sin but ALIVE mortally unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Death has no more dominion over our mortal bodies because Christ does not die any more. Remember that Jesus died in the mortal flesh and was also resurrected in the mortal flesh in this earth.

(9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
(10) For in that he died, he died unto the sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

(11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto THE sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

His life is not being found among the man-based churches where they are crucifying the Lord of glory as His life and glory is not being seen among them. Yet, MANY are thinking that He is there among the transgressors. He is not there.

He was reckoned among the transgressors 2000 years ago. What was written was accomplished in Him at that time. He is no longer among the transgressors as this prophecy was COMPLETELY fulfilled at that time.

Luk 22:37-38 KJV
(37) For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

The two swords show us that this prophecy had a definite beginning and a definite end. He is NO LONGER among the transgressors....the man-based churches. You will not find Him among them for He is RISEN now. If He is alive now, we are to have His life now in our mortal flesh. We do not see His life being made manifest in any man-based churches. So He is not there among the dead man-based churches where they are actively crucifying the Lord of glory who is already risen to glory and sits at the right hand of God.

(38) And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

The Scripture was completely fulfilled 2000 years ago. We should not be numbering/estimating/reckoning that He is among the transgressors today. He is not among the man-based churches.

Mar 15:27-28 KJV
(27) And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

(28) And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

But in the minds of many (a place called "Golgotha"....the place of a skull...where the mind is located) they do crucify the Lord of glory for they are reckoning that He is among the transgressors to this day .

Mat 27:33-35 KJV
(33) And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
(34) They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
(35) And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

So far, at least nine (now ~40) (now ~160) (now hundreds) judges, including Trump appointees, have ruled against Trump orders

More than 220 judges have now rejected the Trump admin’s mass detention policy

The number has skyrocketed in recent weeks and includes at least 20 judges appointed by Trump himself.

At least 225 judges have ruled in more than 700 cases that the administration’s new policy, which also deprives people of an opportunity to seek release from an immigration court, is a likely violation of law and the right to due process. Those judges were appointed by all modern presidents — including 23 by Trump himself — and hail from at least 35 states, according to a POLITICO analysis of thousands of recent cases. The number of judges opposing the administration’s position has more than doubled in less than a month.
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Grifts around 47: A running catelogue for this presidency

Know your customers.

Trump team caught marking up MAGA merch while touting Black Friday 'deals'

The campaign's Black Friday fundraising email hawks multiple items that appear to contain higher prices than what's listed on its website, according to Meidas Touch.
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Ancient Egyptian Political Cancellations

Today, cancelling others is all the rage. But back in the day of the 2nd millennia BCE Egypt, some Pharaohs already figured out that rubbing other people out of history could be good for the propaganda machine they were pushing, such as is seen in the two 'fun' videos below.

In fact, two of the candidates for the Exodus pharaoh were known for cancelling those aspects of written history that didn't quite reflect the popular reading which they preferred.

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$15 Billion And Climbing: Trump’s Tariffs Deliver Record High Revenue

Presenting facts is unlikely to change their minds. Many MAGA supporters who now favor tariffs previously voted for Reagan and his support of free market capitalism; they supported W. Bush and his free trade policies; they voted for John McCain’s deregulation and open market stance, as well as Mitt Romney’s “idea of capitalism. Suddenly, these same voters who once championed free market and free trade principles are now advocating for imposing tariffs.

Either these individuals did not believe in what they supported during the first forty years of their lives, or they do not genuinely support their current choices; however, as long as their vote opposes liberals, they remain committed.
Those facts were from his cite. ^_^ But yeah, some people will consider the facts and accept them in time while others will just double down.
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Long Slow Journey

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A Long Slow Journey

Tenderness has the power to melt the most hardened hearts steeped in pride. As we receive God’s love in our hearts, our identity as His beloved sons and daughters is restored. The tenderness of God heals. The caress of God disinfects and cleanses our wounds. The tenderness of God brings peace, serenity, and rest to the

The Love Crucified Community. The Simple Path to Union with God (pp. 279-280). Kindle Edition.

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It has been a long journey learning to trust in God. Many of our deepest wounds are formed in childhood, hidden in memory yet still shaping our lives in ways we may not see. What others notice in us can remain invisible to ourselves.

In my youth, I had no words for my inner struggles. This led to seasons of chaos, much of which I managed to conceal—though not all. One day, while reading from the First Letter of John (3:20): “If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything,” the words pierced me. I fell to my knees in tears, realizing that my lack of self-love had blocked my growth in self-knowledge. That moment began the slow process of trusting in God’s love for me.

The inner journey requires persistence. Setbacks, failures, even great sins must not keep us down. I have learned to rise again and again, for failure is often part of the path to faith. I am a slow learner, but perhaps that is why I welcome old age—it has brought me a deeper, though still limited, understanding of God’s love for me and for all. We must remember: we are made in His image and likeness; He is not made in ours.

—Br. MD
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Americans have $1.13 trillion in credit card debt

Higher interest rates, especially on credit cards, make it harder for people to pay debt because so much of each payment goes to interest.

We pay our credit card bills in full each month. We are retired; when we were raising three children we sometimes fell behind.

I'm not a Dave Ramsey debt snowball fan. I think it's important to pay off the highest interest debt first.

I look at the debt problems people have today as due to income inequality. The middle class is shrinking. The top 1% is socking it away. The poor go to payday lenders and pay loan shark rates when they're desperate.

In other words, it's due to Republican policies.
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Release International prayers for the Philipines, Sri Lanka.

November 29, 2025 – Philippines

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Pray for the growing number of former Muslims who have come to faith in Christ and are sharing the Good News in their communities. Pray for wisdom, protection and a boldness as they share God’s love.

28 November 2025 – Sri Lanka

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Thank God for pastor ‘Alan’, who has expressed his deep gratitude for our partner’s programme which helps church leaders affected by persecution.

27 November 2025 – Sri Lanka

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Pray for our partners as they support many pastors who have experienced persecution. Pray that these pastors would know healing, encouragement and growing resilience to remain faithful in this challenging environment.

26 November 2025 – Sri Lanka

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Thank God for training seminars that equip pastors and other church leaders serving in contexts of persecution to know how to respond to violations of religious rights.

25 November 2025 – Sri Lanka

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Many Christian teachers, and their students, experience significant rejection. They are often marginalised and opposed, even by other teachers in their schools. Pray that they would have resilience to persevere, and love for those who mistreat them.

24 November 2025 – Sri Lanka

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Praise the Lord for an annual camp of Christian teachers run by our partners. Pray that the camp continues to offer an enriching time of fellowship and encouragement, and that those attending leave better equipped to serve.

23 November 2025 – Sri Lanka

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Pray for ‘Joyce’, a Christian teacher who, along with her husband, is reaching and encouraging young people with the gospel. Pray that the couple would be encouraged, despite the opposition they face.

Origin of Life

I'm not obligated to sit in a classroom and parrot what I'm fed in order to placate the system with good grades.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

When I go to bed at night, I'm not guilty of having misled someone by telling them the Grand Canyon was formed by the Colorado River.

No, of course not. But you are guilty of saying that it was created by something as lubricious as the world being broken apart a few thousand years ago.

... which further doesn't make sense when the San Andreas Fault Line is a MUCH better example of that happening.
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PERSECUTION IN TANZANIA

Release International’s partner in Tanzania provides resources and support for persecuted Christians. It also seeks to raise awareness about their plight.

Pray for persecuted Christians in Tanzania, with the increasing challenges they are now facing, including violence, discrimination and social isolation.

Pray for God’s protection, strength and encouragement for all those who suffer for their faith—and for Release International’s partner.

Pray for all those in Tanzania affected by the post-election violence at the end of October. Thank God for an improved situation, but pray for healing and reconciliation in the country.

FDA is Dropping the Ball on our Health

Not really, it has helped me in reversing my Type 2 diabetes. A lot of autoimmune diseases can be reversed, did you know that? Do you have parents or grandparents taking medication? I'd like to think I can critically think problems through and I use the internet and Google Scholar for verification. I grew up in a time when most diseases were not a problem and I always questioned why cancer was so prevalent. Especially when a couple of my wife's friends and family died of it in the early 2000. I used to think cancer was genetic but now genetics has a small part of it and nutrition and environmental factors play a big role.

In my youth in the 70s, only alcoholics got fatty liver and in the 80s nonalcoholics started getting fatty liver. Since alcohol isn't the problem then the sugar content must be the problem. Today we have kids with fatty liver disease, how sad is that? I hope no one has to see their parents deteriorate like I watched mine do. My dad died of diabetes and I know I have a genetic disposition to it my mom had a stroke that ruined her life. Both of these diseases can be prevented with a lifestyle change.
While I will agree risks can be affected by lifestyle change.......

Thin fit people get strokes.
Thin, fit people have diabetes.

It's not safe to buy into the youtube message of anything can be prevented.

That is an important part, I think, of what Tropical Winds was getting at.
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More Americans are now reading the Bible but fewer believe it’s 100% accurate: study

There's a difference between believing there may be some scribal errors, or even that accuracy was not always the main objective, but that the actual meaning and message still gets through - and discounting passages that might disagree with your idea of morality (especially "modern" morality). But does it matter, for example, if Job actually existed, or was just a parable? Don't we get the same meaning out of it either way?

All that said, I would not feel comfortable saying that ANY scripture is in error.

Of course, the existence of Job and the Book of Job is significant, especially considering that both are referenced multiple times in the New Testament by Paul and James. If neither Job nor the Book of Job existed, it would raise doubts about the reliability of Paul or James writings.

Similarly, if certain laws from Leviticus conflict with contemporary moral values, it raises the question of whether Moses was genuinely a prophet or simply someone who devised rules to govern his followers.
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Independents....

Some issues I'm right of center. Some issues I'm left of center. Some issues I am in the center.

I've yet to find a party that I agree with 100% of the time on all issues.

I've not really changed my views, but somehow both the democrats and the republicans seem to have gotten the idea that if you don't agree with their views 100% and agree 100% of the time then you are most likely an enemy.
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