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Dream of an attack

When dreams are from The Lord, there is a purpose. We can always pray and asks Him about them.
My dreams have a tendency of happening some time later. I have made "before" and "after" threads here. The post of the dream before the event and another post after a very similar or the same event have occurred.

This dream have sent the whole nation of USA into a panic as they've encountered a potential enemy where their weapons are useless against it and an enemy using abilities or weapons they have no defense against and are masters of stealth and sneak attacks. They came out of nowhere like how such a large group of massive, 10 ft bipeds end up in the middle of LA without catching attention.
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Has Hitler replaced Satan?

Who, besides hitler, and moses, had all the homosexuals killed? And made it a crime or heavily restricted interracial unions? Obviously every tribe and culture has had this problem occasionally, but to the extent it was codified in their culture and laws for more than 100 years?.. or are we afraid to say who had this problem?

I mean systemic nation wide edict, not individuals in a local town.
It is not so much laws which may be wrong and cruel, your post seems to skip the significance of aggressively crushing dissent, the right to express opposing ideas, secret agents operating inside a country on it's own residents, censorship of the arts, and forbidding opposition political representation.

Otherwise, if you don't like the laws, you don't like who is in power...vote them out.
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Anyone up for a chat thread?

I will just wait and see, there is a staff meeting on Monday.
Replying to myself, just to point out that nothing was said at all about conflict resolution at the meeting. It was all Christmas and New Year celebrations and opening times. Even the parties are part of the project's services, because we have those with no other gatherings they can go to, and a sober Christmas party is a lifeline for some.

Sorry, no solutions for squabbling parishioners here.
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Zions New Children

I see @Strong in Him - has aligned with you. 2 Peter 2:1-22 has a lot to say about those who the way of truth be evil spoken of...... 2 Peter 2:2 KJV
I haven't "aligned with him" - I just liked the analogy of a singer finishing their song, changing their mind, returning to the stage etc etc.

By your own admission, you were wrong in 2012.
There may have been other times over the years when you have been mistaken about something, I don't know. There is a verse somewhere which says that if the trumpet does not sound a clear note, no one can prepare for battle.
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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

I got a $1 silver certificate in change a few years back. Do you think the Treasury will give me a $1 silver coin for that?
The Treasury no longer honors the note. The American people were duped again. At one time there were redeemable gold notes in circulation. Then they started issuing non-redeemable notes side by side with the redeemable notes, creating the illusion that they were of equal value. I' don't accept wooden nickels; but the silver note still has collector value. I would sell it and buy the real deal.

Do you remember when copper pennies used to be made out of copper? Then they started copper plating zinc, to create the illusion that pennies were still made out of copper; while they quietly hoarded the copper to cover their bad corporate dept..

Now they're taking the pennies away from us altogether; because on paper it costs about $4 to make 100 zinc penny forgeries.

Robbed again!
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MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

Is there something in the text here that references Daniel 2? I'm more interested in how John merges bits of the other beasts into one uber-beast. It's saying Rome is more powerful than all the previous empires. But it's also very universal in appeal - as in - this is Rome - but it could be any government that threatens God's people.
The ten horns are the ten toes. The connection between Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 is explicit. Revelation 13 references it directly. Daniel 7 shows that the ten horns would come after the fourth beast. The fourth beast was the Roman Republic (W). It became the Roman Empire when it conquered Egypt (S), Anatolia (N), and Syria (E). In this way, the ten horns are an empire stretching over the entire world.

You sound like a reasonable person committed to reading God's word in context, and with reference to sensible theology. (And not just playing subjective "pin-the-tail-on-the-anti-Christ" like others here.)
I appreciate that! I'd rather not look outside the context of the original audience. Unfortunately, silence is rare in my life. If I can read it instead of watching it, it would be easier to flex to those rare moments.

Absolutely. Wasn't there a new tribune installed at some point, and people required to turn up and swear allegiance?
There was. It began in 250 with the Decian Persecution, but it wasn't specifically targeted at Christians like the Diocletian Persecution was in 303. Speaking of the Diocletian Persecution, it should have been called the Galerian Persecution because Galerius was the main antagonist. Diocletian set up a tetrarchy in attempt to stabilize the Roman Empire after the Crises of the Third Century. The Roman Empire was split into East and West, with each having its own Augustus and its own Caesar. The Eastern Empire, with its capital in the Pontic city of Nicomedia, leaned heavily into the imperial cult as a means to restore Roman esprit de corps. Like the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11, the Christians were blamed for the prior crises and were persecuted. The Oracle of Apollo at Didyma told Diocletian that she could not give oracles from Apollo because "the just upon the earth" hindered his prophecies. Galerius insisted persecuting the Christians would enable the oracle to hear Apollos prophecies again. Since imperial cult was so strong in Anatolia, the Eastern Empire was ground zero for Roman Tribune. The Eastern Empire was, as Revelation 13 called it, the beast from the earth. To your original question, the tribune was the image of the beast having a statue of Diocletian presented before the herald.

Across 2000 years? I'm not sure causation is demonstrated - but history certainly rhymes now and then.

This lends itself to the pattern.

Hmmm - I'm not sure I've seen that as a pattern. The people I read seem to see Revelation as covering a multitude of themes, not necessarily linked in that way? Could you just add the chapters where you see this pattern emerging?

This is probably the best conversation I have had on this topic. Thanks!

All themes are encompassed in Revelation 1 and 22. These are the inclusio, a parenthetical bracket around all the text within. Revelation 1:6 shows us who the Two Witnesses are. Like Joshua the High Priest and Zerubabbel the governor in Zechariah 4, Christ's blood has made us to be priests and a kingdom. They were called out of Babylon (Zech 2:6, Rev 18:4), the worldly attempt to serve two masters. By keeping the testimony of Jesus and obeying His commands (Rev 1:2, Rev 12:17), they build the Church under constant peril by the enemy, just like when the Edomites assaulted the Jews when they rebuilt Jerusalem's wall in the days of Nehemiah. The lamp stands, fueled by God's Spirit (Rev 1:10, 4:5), continue that mission until Christ returns and every eye sees Him (Rev 1:7, Rev 19:11-18). You can find these themes repeated multiple times throughout Revelation. I think they get missed often because of the mysteries presented in the book that are intended to get the believers to look introspectively and ask themselves who they most identify with. That revelation shows us which message to seven churches in Asia Minor we as a universal church must adhere to. I would definitely like to discuss this further.

Cheers, good chatting with you
Likewise!
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Mel Gibson's screenwriter says 'Passion' sequel emerged from talk about Protestantism

You're talking about praise choruses. Traditional Protestants have the same reaction. Luther contrasted a theology of glory with a theology of the cross. If you look at the hymns in mainline Protestant churches, you'll find plenty about the cross, and about our own death. Our churches typically use the liturgical calendar as a way to make sure we cover the whole of Jesus' life. Of course wallowing in suffering is just as unbalanced as nothing but praise choruses. The NT writers are confident that God will win in the end, and Christ will be all in all.
When I was in the Presbyterian Church we had music before and during the service.

The music before the service was usually from the "Scripture in Song" series and they could be regarded as "praise choruses".

But during the service itself the hymns tended to be more solemn, and usually came from the hymn book, of which I still have a copy.
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Beware of Catholic AI

I have found YouTube videos that appear real but are stating questionable things. Like bishop Barren giving a talk saying priests can be married and the celibacy rule is lifted
If we rely on AI or YouTube videos alone, we can be deceived. I always check the Vatican news to see what the magisterium is really teaching

I would say AI is dangerous in that it can be used to deceive by looking so offical yet be so wrong sometimes.
It's happening all the time! It's VERY concerning! :(
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Which person *am* I?

Hi, I'm just perplexed about how I come across in real life to some people. It was the final day of one of my formation courses, and there are people who have commented how funny I am and they have laughed vivaciously at the things I said from time to time, and I made a joke in front of all the parishioners who attended that really cracked them up and the priest seemed to get a kick out of it too. They don't know the misery and emptiness I feel, the ideation, the things I feel about/against myself, yet I have the ability to make others smile and laugh and they would never know. How the heck am I supposed to know what is the real me? People at my table were really wanting to see me come to more things with them. From one extreme to the next, I am lonely, yet I may not be able to keep up with people asking me to attend things. The kind of effect that I described that I had on people tonight is not the first time, at all.
I do not know. Do you have a close friend or close relative you can express your feelings to? Someone who knows you REALLY well?

May God bless, protect, and preserve you! May Mother Mary wrap you in her mantle! May St. Joseph wrap you in his cloak! May Jesus keep you in his Sacred Heart!

Amen and amen!
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