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Prayers for the Departed

Novena for the Holy Souls Day 6 11-27-25

My Divine Redeemer, Thou didst die for me on the Cross, and hast so often united Thyself with me in Holy Communion, and I have repaid Thee only with ingratitude. Now, however, I love Thee above all things, O supreme God; and I am more grieved at my offences against Thee than at any other evil. I will rather die than offend Thee again. Grant me the grace of holy perseverance. Have compassion on me, and, at the same time, on the holy souls suffering in Purgatory. Mary, Mother of God, come to their aid with thy powerful intercession.

Say one Our Father, one Hail Mary, and the Prayer to Our Suffering Saviour for the Holy Souls in Purgatory below.

Prayer to Our Suffering Saviour for the Holy Souls in Purgatory

O most sweet Jesus, through the bloody sweat which Thou didst suffer in the Garden of Gethsemani, have mercy on these Blessed Souls. Have mercy on them. R. Have mercy on them, O Lord.

O most sweet Jesus, through the pains which Thou didst suffer during Thy most cruel scourging, have mercy on them. R. Have mercy on them, O Lord.

O most sweet Jesus, through the pains which Thou didst suffer in Thy most painful crowning with thorns, have mercy on them. R. Have mercy on them, O Lord.

O most sweet Jesus, through the pains which Thou didst suffer in carrying Thy cross to Calvary, have mercy on them. R. Have mercy on them, O Lord.

O most sweet Jesus, through the pains which Thou didst suffer during Thy most cruel Crucifixion, have mercy on them. R. Have mercy on them, O Lord.

O most sweet Jesus, through the pains which Thou didst suffer in Thy most bitter agony on the Cross, have mercy on them. R. Have mercy on them, O Lord.

O most sweet Jesus, through the immense pain which Thou didst suffer in breathing forth Thy Blessed Soul, have mercy on them. R. Have mercy on them, O Lord.

(Recommend yourself to the Souls in Purgatory and mention your intentions here)

Blessed Souls, I have prayed for thee; I entreat thee, who are so dear to God, and who are secure of never losing Him, to pray for me a miserable sinner, who is in danger of being damned, and of losing God forever. Amen.
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Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal

Our Morning Offering

One Minute Reflection

Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal propers & commentary (EF)

Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal propers, blessing & investiture (EF)

Thursday of the Thirty-Fourth Week of Ordinary Time; Opt. Mem. of Thanksgiving Day (USA) readings & commentary (OF)
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The Miraculous Medal

Catherine Labouré and the Miraculous Medal

Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal

As Miraculous Medal feast coincides with Thanksgiving, faithful have special chance to offer gratitude to Our Lady

The Miraculous Medal: Going to Mary with Mother Seton and St. Catherine Labouré

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Free Energy & Tartaria

Sorry you seem to have though I was being bossy. I didn't mean it like that. I only made the suggestion so that the rest of us know whether the words you post are your own, or somebody else's.

No not at all, I know your not being being bossy & I appreciate you reminding me :)
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Anyone up for a chat thread?

Or it could be that the volunteers themselves have asked. In the case I dealt with, the volunteers were wanting to radically change the way they worked (to reduce client contact) before they were given the training.
We exist for contact, so we must have that. We cannot have our special status as an essential service without "drop in", and we would not be able to help a lot of people without it. I will just wait and see, there is a staff meeting on Monday. I will try to be positive, and make sure my humble opinion on the drama incident is heard.

It is good to hear that it might be about everyone else's confidence, some of the newer volunteers might just not be familiar with the possible risks.
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Pursue Peace, Exemplify Grace

“Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled.” (Hebrews 12:14-15 NASB1995)

Peace with all people must include peace with God. For we are never to compromise our faith and biblical convictions and the teachings of Christ and of his New Testament apostles in order to be at peace with anyone. We are never to compromise truth, righteousness, and moral purity so that others will like us, and so they will approve of us. But if we know that we said or did something to offend another person, because of something we did or said in the flesh, then we need to repent of our sin and seek their forgiveness and reconciliation. And they may still reject us, but we must do our part.

For we are also to pursue “the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.” And sanctification is holiness and purification. For when we believe in Jesus Christ with God-gifted and God-persuaded faith in him, it results in us being crucified with Christ in death to sin, and us being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as servants of God and of his righteousness, in holy living. And to be holy is to be separate (different, unlike) the world because we are being progressively conformed by God to the likeness of character of Jesus Christ, our Lord.

And if we are to see to it that no one comes short of the grace of God, what should that look like for us? Well, the grace of God is his kindness towards us who are sinners by nature. And in his kindness he sent his only begotten Son Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh (fully God and fully human), to die on a cross and to put our sins to death with him so that, by faith in him, we will now die to sin and live to God and to his righteousness in walks of obedience to his commands in holy living and in surrender to his will. For this purpose Jesus gave his life up for us on that cross to free us from sin.

And God’s grace, which is bringing us salvation, is training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives while we wait for Jesus’ return. God’s grace to us is never free license to keep on living in sin and for self. For Christ “gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.” “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” (See Titus 2:11-14; Ephesians 2:8-10)

So, if we are to see to it that no one comes short of the grace of God, then we are extending ourselves to others to show them compassion and forgiveness of sins. This does not put our stamp of approval on their sins, for that is the opposite of biblical grace. So to show them the grace of God is not only in us forgiving them, but it is in us sharing with them the message of the gospel of our salvation that Jesus died on that cross, not just to forgive us our sins, but to deliver us out of our slavery (addiction) to sin so that we can now serve him with our lives in obedience to his commands.

We are never to become bitter, angry, and unforgiving people. But again, forgiveness and grace are not tolerance of deliberate and habitual sin. Grace never approves of sin, but it forgives the sinner who is repentant, and it gives the sinner a chance to change, and a chance to be forgiven and to live a new life in Christ Jesus free from addiction to sin, and free to now serve God with their lives in holy living. But forgiveness is not permission for the sinner to continue in sin without punishment. For all who make sin their practice, and not obedience, they will not inherit eternal life with God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

His Strength Is Perfect

Steven Curtis Chapman

I can do all things
Through Christ who gives me strength
But sometimes I wonder what He can do through me
No great success to show
No glory of my own
Yet in my weakness He is there to let me know

His strength is perfect when our strength is gone
He'll carry us when we can't carry on
Raised in His power, the weak become strong
His strength is perfect, His strength is perfect

We can only know
The power that He holds
When we truly see how deep our weakness goes
His strength in us begins
Where ours comes to an end
He hears our humble cry and proves again

His strength is perfect when our strength is gone
He'll carry us when we can't carry on
Raised in His power, the weak become strong
His strength is perfect, His strength is perfect

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Pursue Peace, Exemplify Grace
An Original Work / November 27, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Church is boring

I haven’t been going to church in a while. I feel like it’s boring. I find myself daydreaming and the sermons are good, but I really don’t like to sing or stand up. I like just saying prayers and even though the sermons are good, I don’t feel like going. I’m not really getting anything out of the Bible study, either, which is online. When I do go to church, I do tithe.
Am I falling away or is this not the right church for me? The people are nice.
I think it's because with most churches we are receiving men's word over God's word. I just don't see the point in personal sermons written by men. I want my church to strictly stick to teaching God's Word.

Fellowship is fine with like minded believers but I guess it depends on the reason you want to go.
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So far, at least nine (now ~40) (now ~160) judges, including Trump appointees, have called a halt to Trump executive actions

Thousands of immigrants could be eligible for bond hearings, striking down DHS policy: Judge

A federal judge has struck down a Department of Homeland Security policy implemented in July that forced most immigrants who entered the United States without inspection to remain in detention throughout their removal proceedings.

The decision could potentially allow thousands of immigrants who have been subject to mandatory detention to be released.

On Tuesday, Judge Sunshine Suzanne Sykes in California certified a class granting relief to migrants who “have entered or will enter the United States without inspection” and those who were not initially detained when they came into the country.

[Class actions can still trigger nationwide effects.]
Another judge over reaching.
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

If judges are allowed to pick and choose federal DA's, then judges are overstepping their roles as judges. The DA must be selected by the Presidents and then approved by the Senate.
If you are trying to insinuate that the law is unconstitutional, this doesn't actually help you in your claims that the judge was wrong. Because if the law that they tried to use to install Halligan is ruled unconstitutional, then... obviously, they couldn't install Halligan that way (a reasonably straightforward reading of the law also says they can't install Halligan, but the point is if the law is unconstitutional to begin with, then they definitely can't install her under it, because it's unconstitutional).

Even if your assertion is that not the whole law is unconstitutional, merely the specific part of the law that allows for the district court to choose the interim attorney after the 120-day period has expired, that still doesn't help Halligan because the result of that would simply mean that once we're past that 120-day period, which we are, the position stays empty until the Senate confirms someone. Since Halligan has not been confirmed by the Senate (has she even been nominated?), she's therefore not appointed to the position.

Thus under the interpretation you appear to be advancing, Halligan's appointment is still invalid.
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Obama care collapsing.....

If he didn't bring inflation down, then he didn't reduce costs. If he did bring inflation down from what it otherwise would've been, I think it's fair to say that he reduced costs.
We'll see what happens if he brings it below Bidens last rates if you are genuine or not. Democrats sure didn't seem thar way before. Remember egg prices? Now that inflation is lower I don't see people saying he brought the cost of eggs down. In March Democrats were still complaining how he hasn't brought prices down when the rate was 2.5%. So pardon me it'll I'm skeptical.
I can't get the idea?
No you can't.
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High School Principal Accused Of Plotting Anti-ICE Terrorist Attack


There's been a lot of violence by like-minded people, and judges need to start giving long prison sentences out as a deterrent to others.
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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

You say: “whatever will we have is His doing”, so how is that not something programmed into us?
You see this life as a thing in and of itself. It is not. It is all God's doing.

Not that God can't see how we do, but I doubt that to him it makes any real difference whether he began something and let it progress, or whether he is actively, meticulously, seeing it through. Either way, the only thing that is real is so because he has established its reality. If we choose, we do because he established us, our choosing and our choice. It is real only because God is real. Where is any absolute spontaneity in that? Where is the little first cause? I see this the way I see the notion of "chance". You can call it "chance" and consider it real in your calculations, but in fact, "chance" is only a stand-in for, "I don't know". Your will is yours, and is real, and draws from God having created, one way or the other. So it is with "spontaneity". We can't calculate how "it" (whatever seems spontaneous) happens. It is not programming, but it is effected by myriad antecedent causes. We always choose what we most want at the instant of choice.
I am a believer in a “Block Universe”, but that does not eliminate the individual making autonomous free will choices.
No, of course it doesn't logically of itself deny autonomous free will choices. But it does give a point of view from which to consider the work of God.
From God’s perspective everything happened at once, He is outside of time, but we are in time (time God most likely created).

The question is what “set” the free will choice an individual made? Scientist do not believe in a god making the choices, since that is outside their realm of reasons, so it is the individual themselves make the choices.
Time is indeed a creation of God, as is very "reality", else he is not omnipotent, but subject to facts he did not cause.
Verses supporting free will
Remember that we need to establish, if possible, before claiming some verse passage promotes/supports "free will", just what free will is, and, if possible, what is implied by it. I know many Calvinists who would accept the dictionary definition that I think you would accept, yet they don't mean by it what you do. You and I both say, "real choice", but you think that means autonomy apart from GOD—"limited free will". I wonder what 'limited free will' can even MEAN! You and I both believe "responsible choice", but I think that is because of God's standard, and says nothing to our ability.
Gen. 1-3 Did Adam and Eve have free will?
No, and not even before they sinned. Nor did Lucifer.
Exodus 35:29 “All the Israelite men and women who were willing brought to the Lord freewill offerings for all the work the Lord through Moses had commanded them to do.” Are these truly free will offerings?
That's a misuse of the verse. Maybe it wasn't you I've already discussed that with. It means voluntary, not commanded. Look up some other versions and the Hebrew Interlinear.
Jonah 3: 10 “When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.” Did the people of Nineveh change what God said he would do?

How is this not saying that God’s actions are contingent on the choices of the people?
Who planned that 'contingency'? Who established their choice? Are you implying he didn't know which route he would go before they did?
"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40). Note that Jesus does not say, "you cannot come", which the Greek does not say here, but, "you refuse to come", in order that you may have eternal life. It was their own rejection of Jesus and the Gospel, that would damn their souls, and not because they were "unable" to make the "choice" themselves.
Sure, I can demonstrate this principle many times, to include Jezebel being given ample opportunity to repent, but she would not. (Rev 2:21) That doesn't imply that she could have. As you have seen throughout your life and from science and from past history, there is only one thing that ever happens: Whatever happens. "Could have" is our speculation. "We don't know". "Should have" demonstrates their responsibility—but "should have" does not imply "could have".
Christ is God here on earth. The “whomsoever” does not mean only the elect, but lots of people, who then made the choice to accept or reject Christ. "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40)
Sounds kinda like the Jezebel thing. They do indeed refuse. I have not said differently. They are responsible for that choice. But WHY did they refuse? "Nobody knows" doesn't mean their choices are not a result of antecedent causes.
To say: “Christ only reveals Himself to those who God have chosen to accept Him”, means God is guilty of not helping others to accept Christ.
Hardly. First, it is you who places the judgement of "GUILTY" on the matter as if it was a bad thing for him to do. He has every right, and, he has every reason. Second, as your use of "whomsoever" ("whosoever", no?), just who is that that chooses him?

By the way, I haven't done an exhaustive study of everywhere the KJV or other versions use the term, "whosoever" or "whatsoever" etc, but in John 3:16 the Greek doesn't imply that just anybody random will believe in him, nor even that it is an act of the will. Look at the Greek Interlinear.
John 15: 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

If they have no free will, they have an excellent excuse for sinning?
Taking this verse in or even out of context, even, I see no logic in claiming it for "free will". How does the one thing imply the other in my arrangement? Did they not choose to sin? That's all it takes for them to be guilty of it.
There are all the “whosoever” verses making it contingent.
You'll have to list them. I dealt with John 3:16.
If God is only saving some and not all for some unknowable reason, while saving all is just as easy for God to do, then a God that does not save all has less Love than a God who saves all.
The reason some are not "saved" is because they are unwilling.
Again, as before. If God knew this was the scenario before creating, but created anyway, he INTENDED what his creating produced.
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Independents....

Well, sure. I'm certainly biased towards political extremes. I don't like far left or far right positions.

For the most part, I'm the same. One of my biggest issues with partisan politicians is that they relentlessly follow an ideology, even if their ideological solutions aren't the best fit for the current situation. Or, they will dismiss a solution out of hand because it doesn't fit their ideology. Facts are selectively chosen or just plain fabricated. Making decisions in that manner will usually get you into trouble, and I think our government provides a perfect example of that.

When religion gets blended into politics, ideology becomes even more of a driving force. From my observation, this really tends to put the blinders on people. They no longer support their solution because it is the best / most viable solution, but because it is the more "righteous" solution. It becomes difficult to reason with people or have a meaningful conversation with them when they are in that state of mind.
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Healing and debate. My testimony

CF has shrunk quite a bit since 2002, when I first joined. That is mainly due to the advent of social media sites like Facebook and others. I remember there being so many people posting that you could barely keep up with the new material being added to single threads. I wish it were like that again... but then I think people have changed somewhat in their posting content and method. I guess the practices of social media have crept into CF, and that is not good.
Do you know if Soldier of Light has left CF ? Also do you understand John 3:13 Acts2:34
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Mary, Undoer of Knots

I think it's probably a both/and situation. Like you can pray it as a novena but you don't have to stop there either, especially if you find the prayer particularly beneficial to your faith and/or maybe that you have a particular devotion to Our Lady Undoer of Knots.
I agree.
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Why is it difficult for people to understand the importance of weekly Communion?

aND THIS IS WHAT THE GREEK TEXT has to say in 1 Cor 11 :26 says

# 1 FOR // GAR is a Conjuncation

# 2 AS OPFTEN AS //. HOSAKIO. is an ADVERB

# 3 YE EAT //. EARHIO. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in the ACTIVE VOICE. is a SUBJNUCATIVE in. the PLURAL

From. this. , IT MEANS any assembly can have communion as many times as they wish !!

dan p
Some do daily!
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Pro's and con's of using AI in political debate.

There's also this case.


I remember a few other stories where lawyers used ChatGPT or some other model to try and do their work faster and they got into hot water because the model produced references to cases that simply didn't exist.
Yes, and the lawyer used the reference without checking? He should be disbarred.
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