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About Wesleyans

A little bit. I find Wesley interesting because he had some of the earliest interest in something that we Eastern Christians refer to as Theosis, that is sort of just being discovered by some contemporary Evangelicals in recent times.

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He also has a more positive take on tradition when it comes to theology, than most Protestants, especially Evangelicals (some Magisterial Protestants like Lutheran's, Anglicans and some Calvinists are kind of decent with that too).


I also know some of his heritage did help contribute to other movements like Pentecostalism.

I know this an old thread and my reply is late, but yeah, I think I agree.

I am drawn to tradition and more spiritual aspects of the Christian faith, but still consider myself Protestant because I don't want forsake the plain teachings of Scripture.

I find both Lutheranism and Wesleyan-Holiness traditions to have a nice balance.
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The Reality of Free Will

@com7fy8 I was thinking of an illustration to demonstrate why free will is not hampered by anything, whether it be holy spirit, the spirit of the world or the spirit of Satan.
Imagine that the chains represent any one of these.
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What is it that moves one to do rhis?
I imagine the chains are lies that lead to sin. Ignorance is therefore the void where people have the capacity to be deceived.
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In the case of holy spirit, is anyone mighty enough to break that chain, or would God need to release that one, and let them go?
The Spirit of Truth exposes the lies that enslave people to sin, just like Jesus said.
What would be the reason for releasing that person?
Because Jesus loves others as he would want to be loved.
Would it not be due to their will not to have these chains on them? A rebellion?
A rebellion against sin? Of course, any sound mind would not want to be held captive by lies.
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Unless humans have the ability to exercise free will, none of the above are possible.
Not sure what you mean by free will here. When a person learns the Truth that sets them free, it's not because they exercised their ability to volunteer.
One cannot even do what God's word requires. Such as...
Joshua 24:23 . . .incline your heart unto the LORD . . .
Isaiah 55:3 . . .Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live. . .
Joshua’s command to ‘incline your hearts to the LORD’ shows the people had been deceived. Scripture repeatedly affirms there are no other gods (Deut 4:35; Isa 45:5). The ‘strange gods’ were idols -> non‑entities. So, Israel was misled into deception through idolatry. Joshua saw their need to hear correction, not their autonomous free will. Their disposition was one of susceptibility to deception, requiring exhortation to turn back to the only true God.
God could not even say this about anyone.
Jeremiah 7:24 ...they did not obey or incline their ear, but followed the counsels and the dictates of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward.

However, because we all have that freedom to act according to our own will, willingly, and freely, without being forced... voluntarily - of our own free will, all the above are possible.
Ignorance is the darkness where people are vulnerable to deception, which is not indicative of a will that is free. Scripture shows that idolaters ‘know not, neither do they understand’ (Isaiah 44:18), and that God’s people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6). Jeremiah 7:24 says they did not obey or incline their ear but followed the dictates of their evil hearts. That is ignorance leading to trusting in idols, not evidence of autonomous free will.
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Washed and clothed in Christ: The beauty of the Sacrament of Holy Baptism

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βάπτισμα βάπτισμα baptisma
The text then says "NOT the washing away of dirt from the flesh" (the waters of baptism) but rather the appeal to God for a clean conscience )such as is the case with a believing adult.

The fact that it is contrasting the washing with water and the appeal to God, shows the image being used is literal baptism
Biut the Greek for WATER. // HYDOR is not in. the Greek TEXT 11

And in. Eph 4:5 reads , ONE LORD , ONE GFAITH , ONE BAPTISM

ONE. IS. THE GREEK WORD .// HEIS

It reads ONE BAPTISM , so what is that ONE BAPTISM. ??

# 1. THERE iS the word BAP[TISMOS

# 2 THERE IS the word BAPTO

# 3 There is the word SPRINKING

# 4 There is the word. BAPTIZED

# 5 There is the word BAPTIZING

# 6. THERE is the word BAPTISM

# 7. THERE is the word WASHING

So what is that ONE //HEIS. , BAPTISM

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What are YOU currently reading? (8)

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A couple different synopses of the book from Amazon:
  • "Set at a boys' boarding school in New England during the early years of World War II, A Separate Peace is a harrowing and luminous parable of the dark side of adolescence. Gene is a lonely, introverted intellectual. Phineas is a handsome, taunting, daredevil athlete. What happens between the two friends one summer, like the war itself, banishes the innocence of these boys and their world."
  • "'A Separate Peace' is a poignant coming-of-age novel set during World War II at a New England boarding school. The story revolves around the complex friendship between two boys, Gene Forrester and Phineas (Finny). As they navigate the challenges of adolescence, themes of jealousy, rivalry, and the loss of innocence emerge. The idyllic setting contrasts sharply with the underlying tensions of the war, reflecting the internal conflicts faced by the characters as they grapple with their identities and the realities of growing up. The narrative delves deep into Gene's psyche, exploring his feelings of envy towards Finny's charisma and athleticism. This jealousy ultimately leads to a tragic incident that alters their lives forever. Knowles masterfully captures the essence of youth and the bittersweet nature of friendship, as well as the impact of war on personal relationships. The novel serves as a powerful exploration of the transition from innocence to experience, making it a timeless reflection on the complexities of human emotions and the challenges of adolescence."
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Trump's Warrior Board

It was no secret, Donald J. Trump ran his 2024 election based upon cleaning house, and he's standing on his promise to his constituent base, it's that simple

MAGA Vance/Trump 2028
Everything upside down and backwards. Welcome to Administration by Chaos.
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The Venting Thread

It's crazy that you'd have to wait until Monday to get back in. There's seriously no one there on the weekend who could get you into your classroom to retrieve them?
I would have to make a call to someone with a master key—either a janitor or a school administrator. I don't wanna put anyone out of their way on a holiday weekend, especially when the weather is this terrible.
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Today I learned...

Today I tasted my first banana "heart." Which basically is the flower of the banana that can be cooked and eaten. It was wrapped in a salad dressing that looked like shredded chicken from a catfood can. I tasted this mainly Asian food, and found it to be quite good.

"A banana heart is the fleshy, teardrop-shaped flower that hangs at the end of a banana cluster. It can be eaten raw or cooked and is a traditional food in many parts of Asia and India. The edible parts, which have a meaty texture similar to an artichoke heart, require preparation like peeling the outer layers and soaking in an acidulated water solution to reduce bitterness and browning before use in dishes like salads, curries, and soups"

Here is someone else who blogged about it (with photo) Hearts of Banana
Interesting! I think the most interesting food I've ever eaten was a century egg. My Developmental Psychology professor, a woman from Taiwan, offered century eggs to the whole class, but only a couple of us were willing to try them. I felt very proud of my bravery lol. But in defense of those who opted not to try, the stench was absolutely terrible.

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I started a new book today. A memoir written by Brian Johnson, singer of AC/DC.

When the band was touring in 2015, Brian had developed an ear problem that would not go away. He finally saw the doctor. The doctor explained to him that the fever he had during the tour caused fluid build up in his ears. Then the untreated fluid had crystallized! The doctor told him he had to be operated on and that he had to use a chisel to get the crystals out! :oops:
My dad loves AC/DC. Back when he coached my travel basketball team, he always played "Thunderstruck" during practices. And oof, that does not sound pleasant. I had no idea that doctors using chisels to break crystallized earwax was a thing. Very bizarre. There are so many things that can go wrong with the human body; it's a miracle that it works as well as it does most of the time.
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Chat Thread - Millennials Edition

So true, every older generation complains about the younger but also true that the younger generations today have been screwed up by tech that we're only now realizing the effects of what we did (social media, etc).

What generation are you from?

My music style has changed drastically. As a teen, I liked rock, Pop, and ska but now, I prefer modern classical, Christian rock, and even some Christian rap as long as it isn't mumble rap.
Indeed, I'm from 1970 in Europe - and grew up without television, telephone or internet. So brought up with Classical music mainly (and church organ music :) ) but then learned to appreciate any style of music. I like gripping melodies or irresistible rhythms, listen to English, Dutch, Hebrew and even Arabic (Christian songs) .. I studied/work in IT (developing AI applications now) - it's quite a contrast with my childhood.

Church-wise I've seen (Dutch) Reformed churches (Calvinism), Baptist churches, Brethern churches, Anglican churches, Evangelical/Pentecostal, Messianic felllowships, Roman Catholic churches, ethnic churches. Church boundaries don't matter to me anymore although I do have my preferences of course. Understanding what I believe and why churches believe what they teach, studying the Bible, its history and Church/theology history is one of my passions. Yet knowing God and His Son Yeshua from the heart is infinitely more important than knowing about God and all those dry facts. It's my journey in life.
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Hail storms

I suppose I should add the big concern is whether this is going to become an increasing occurrence with climate change.

Insurance premiums have been going up steadily over the last few years, and natural disasters have a lot to do with it.

This link shows what is called "disaster activations" in Queensland since 2010.


The hailstorm which hit us, and most severely a suburbs called Springfield Lakes, is shown under 2020.

Far North Queensland Low Pressure System, 15 - 26 April 2021
Southern Queensland Severe Weather, 20 – 31 March 2021
Tropical Cyclone Niran and Associated Low Pressure System, 25 February – 3 March 2021
Far North Queensland Tropical Low, 24 – 30 January 2021
Tropical Cyclone Imogen and Associated Low Pressure System, 2 – 12 January 2021
Western Queensland Thunderstorms 21-30 December 2020
South East Queensland Coastal Trough, 12-15 December 2020
Gumlow Bushfire, 21- 26 November 2020
K’gari (formerly Fraser Island) Bushfires, 9 November 2020 – 23 December 2020
South East Queensland Hailstorm, 31 October 2020
Kooralbyn Bushfire, 12 - 19 October 2020

The insurance bill from that alone was $980 million AUD.


Within 24 hours of 31 October, the Insurance Council of Australia declared the natural disaster a catastrophe with the damage bill currently at $980 million. Insurers have received more than 42,000 claims as at 23 June 2021.
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