I've recounted this heaps of times but my father turned up in my bedroom the night he died. We argued and talked, and at the end he gave this almighty scream and disappeared. Something was coming for him.

But I wouldn't call him a "ghost". To my mind I wa allowed to see his spirit, while I have this conception of "ghosts" that they hang around and haunt specific locations.

When the disciples saw Christ walking on the water, they were terrified and thought He was a ghost. Christ did nothing to dispel the possibility of ghosts existing, but merely affirmed he was 'not a ghost'.

In my last job in community driving, one of the fares said she had a similar experience. Her husband was in hospital being kept alive by machines as he'd had a brain embolism. The staff had already told her that the next day they were going to turn off the machines and if he couldn't breathe, he'd die.

So she knew that. But that night she said something white sat on the bed. She said she was freaking out, and wondered what the hell was going on. Then this white thing spoke.

It was her husband. He apologised to her for his abusive treatment. What else might have been said I don't know as I didn't have time to pursue the story. But she told me her eldest daughter had the same experience.

She said he was easily most abusive to the eldest daughter out of all the children, and sat on the foot of the bed and apologised to her as well on the night he died.

I was seeing a psychiatrist for a few years. It started due to depression but that was fixed by Prozac. I kept going though as we shared some similar spiritual experiences. Now I'd only see him once every fhree to five months as it wasn't urgent, but one session he said "Something strange happened last weekend!"

I asked him what it was.

He said he was in a Catholic Church when they announced a parishioner had died that morning. However she had also been one of his patients.

He said "She was in the church!" He could see her and said she seemed to be trying to get his attention. She gave up after a while (it's not exacatly a good idea to talk to a spirit in church if you're the only one who is allowed to see her), and moved to the other side of the church.

He thought she might have had family on that side of the church.

Now I'd often told him about my father turning up, along with some other spiritual shenanigans, but he had his "ghostly" experince the very weekend before I was due to come in for my next appointment ie. "last weekend".

I suppose you might say the memory would have been very fresh in his mind at the time.

I've got no doubt we all have spirits, and there are "ghosts" who for one reason or another might be doing their purgatory in a certain place, so they're stuck there.

Spirits exist - every single one of us has a spirit, and there are ghosts. As Christ said walking on the water, he was "not a ghost" implying ghosts exist.

In an account I read some years ago, a chap said his grandmother died. He tried to tell his brother as he knew they were very close, but was unable to at the time. Later he told his brother who informed him he already knew.

He asked him how he knew. He said she visited him the night she died, and sat on the foot of the bed.

The only problem was that the brother was on a New Zealand naval vessel at the time somewhere out in the Pacific Ocean.

They exist all right.

He has reminded people of the psychological power of the Christian story in establishing fruitful and foundational archetypes for Western civilization. Praying he recovers from his illness with a clearer declaration of faith on his lips.

Michie said:

NEW DELHI — When a Hindu extremist mob assaulted Christian men, women and children during a church service in India in late September, police jailed the pastor and charged him and four other Christians, sources said.

In Rajasthan state’s Hanumangarh District, several Hindu women intruded into the church building in Nohar city, followed by Hindu men, young and old, at about 10 a.m. on Sep. 28, as the congregation was singing in worship, said 45-year-old Pastor Wazir Singh.

“They let the Hindu women take the forefront. Hindu women attacked Christian women and Hindu men attacked Christian men,” Pastor Singh told Morning Star News following his release from jail on Oct. 4.

The mob forced Pastor Singh to sit and demanded he teach about Hindu deities such as Rama and Ganesha instead of Christ and read to the congregation passages from the Ramayana or Mahabharata Hindu scriptures instead of the Bible, he said. When he responded, “My faith is in Jesus Christ, and my country gives me the right to choose whom I want to believe in and freedom to practice my faith,” they called police and had him arrested.

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Violent mob attacks Christian families inside church, try to force pastor to teach about Hindu gods

When a Hindu extremist mob assaulted Christian men, women and children during a church service in India in late September, police jailed the pastor and charged him and four other Christians

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Was interested in how the Muslims in the prison defended the Pastor against the Hindu inmates. Hindutva intolerance is growing for non-Indian religions and the Bollywood Hindu propaganda films are getting more and more non historical and unreal

It wasn’t until the early twentieth century that the word nostalgia took on its present meaning: a fond remembrance of the way things used to be, tinged with sadness that things are no longer so.

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Change is always possible with God’s help. Lifeless faith can be revived, hopeless situations can be given meaning, cold and hardened hearts can be warmed by love. We do not have to be imprisoned in our sinfulness; God sent His Son to offer us freedom. We are all invited and challenged to reform our lives—and Jesus makes this possible.

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Mark Quayle said:

But we're not talking about electric current here, are we? God created. There was and is nothing that is not a result of that.

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The principle is the same and you're side-skirting the issue so you don't have to answer. You can't just say that because God is involved then no logic applies.

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No. Only by your parameters.

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By anyone's parameters if they make an honest analysis of the situation.

Mark Quayle said:

I looked. I see nowhere I proclaimed as true that man is the prime mover in his deeds.

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False as the day is long. You continue in your notion of man as prime mover in his deeds.
- False that man is the prime mover in his deed. So I am not able to make my own choice.

You indeed do WILL to do what you do, and that, by what you deem more advantageous or desirous.
- You will do what you do...by what you deem more more advantageous or desirous. Now I am the prime mover after all, therefore now my initial statement is true and somehow I can make my own choice..

You choose according to your inclinations.
- Again I am making a choice according to my inclinations. Further solidifying that my initial position is true.

So the second two sentences contradict the first.

Mark Quayle said:

No. If he caused it, and that is reality, then whatever is real within that reality is caused by God. To characterize something within that reality as uncaused is therefore logically self-contradictory.

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I am not disputing cause. I am disputing the logical incoherence that causing something that you know the result of can result in any effect that is not pre-determined, and if it is pre-determined then it is logically incoherent to suggest that anyone besides the causer has any choice.

Mark Quayle said:

No, I do not claim that God does not (nor that he does) have that ability. I claim it is logical nonsense, a figment of the imagination, words playing in the mind of presumptuous humans.

I did not intend "the source of choice" there. I intended the source of the ability to choose Christ, and the source of salvific Faith.

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Oh, but you are making a claim. You just don't realize it.

Which is it? A or B?

A. I have a choice whether to follow God.
B. God already knows whether I will choose to follow him or not.

If God knows that I will follow him, then there is no reality where I will not follow him. Conversely if he knows I will not follow him, then there is no reality where I do follow him. You cannot say both, because to quote from you, it is logical nonsense.

Envy, according to the classical definition, is sadness at another’s good fortune. Envy, which is the second of the Deadly Sins, robs one of the joy he could share with another person’s gifts. God grants people His gifts to please the recipient, but also to be shared with others. We should rejoice when anyone displays God’s gifts.

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On December of 1531 a series of Marian apparitions occurred that changed the world as we know it. The Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to a middle-aged man named Juan Diego at the climax of civil unrest in present-day Mexico. Our Blessed Mother’s providential intervention not only thwarted blood shed but in effect brought about the greatest evangelization event in Christian history!

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Apple Sky said:

I'm not arguing with something that is so ridiculous.

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Unfortunately we are arguing against total nonsense in these flat earth threads.

December 12, 2025

Our Morning Offering – 12 December – Our Lady of Guadalupe,Mystical Rose By St Pius X (500 Days Indulgence)


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12/12/25 Day 9

O St. Lucy, whose name proclaims the radiance of light, we approach you with humble confidence to seek your holy intercession. Obtain for us, through your prayers, that sacred illumination which guides our souls away from the shadows of sin and leads us toward the brightness of virtue.

Obtain for us also these petitions which we offer to you in this novena:

[Mention your petitions now]

We beseech you, St. Lucy, through your powerful advocacy before the throne of the Lamb, the protection of our eye sight, and for the grace to employ our eyes always in service of God’s glory and never for that which offends His divine majesty.

Help us to perceive with clarity the truths of our faith and the needs of our neighbor, that we may walk steadfastly in the light of Christ and labor earnestly for the salvation of souls.

Pray for us, St. Lucy, that having honored you as our advocate in this earthly pilgrimage, we may one day behold with you the eternal splendor of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, in whose divine light all shadows flee away forever. Amen.

NotreDame said:

My eyes read the Hebrew and the Hebrew for lust isn’t used in relation to Eve.

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See previous.

NotreDame said:

I’ve made a Herculean of the logical, identify the Hebrew word used, discern its meaning, use a Lexicon and Bible dictionary, and conclude the Hebrew text isn’t using the word “list.”

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Desire/lust

It doesn't take a leap of any scholastic sorts

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Maybe your “eyes” need to focus upon the what the Hebrew text says, rather than what you want the Hebrew to say.

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I read the originals same as you

More pressing to the point of the opening post, all have sin and sin is of the devil.

Perhaps you can put that in your Hebrew attempts to personally apply?

NotreDame said:

Your interpretation is vacuous, not supported by Hebrew of the OT, Koine Greek of the NT, and you did not refute my objections to your view and my prior post remains unrebutted by you.

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Vacous claim on your part. Sorry. Not taking the appeal to separate lust from desire on any basis

The Simpsons video was my own real contribution to this thread in a long time but I've been following this thread daily, and I have a few take aways:

Firstly: @sjastro and @Hans Blaster, you guys are either incredibly patient people or gluttons for punishment.

Secondly: can any of this even be considered an actual scientific conversation if there's so much non-scientific, unevidenced, 'just so' claims made by the OP that it gets to the point that we've gone from well evidenced works of stone masonry that are truly universal to such pointless and ridiculous claims as non-physical reality being the reason behind the Egyptians building the pyramids?

Jesus Christ our Lord rose from the dead, ascended and was glorified. But fully glorified? For Jesus is as in Isaiah 9:6. He is the father of time and should know the end from the beginning, but the bridegroom does not know the time of his wedding, but only his father according to Jewish traditions.

And about the prophets before us. Hebrews 11:40.

The verse says:

“God having provided something better for us, so that apart from us they should not be made perfect.”
— Hebrews 11:40

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Meaning:
The Old Testament prophets and faithful saints (“they”) will not receive their final perfection, glory, or completion without us — that is, without the whole people of God across all ages. The author of Hebrews is emphasizing that the consummation happens together, at the resurrection and final glorification.

Related idea​

Paul teaches a similar “together in glory” theme:

• 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 – The dead in Christ rise first, then living believers join them together.
• Romans 8:17–23 – Glorification and redemption of the body happen for all God's children at once.

Perhaps Jesus full glorification will come with us altogether ? Prophets like Moses, Elijah and Ezekiel may be fully sanctified and partly glorified. As Jesus in Revelation, is crowned, with all glory, and honour and power... Revelation 1:5-6, 5:13, 7:12, but it does not say knowledge and that He again knows all and the end from the beginning, Isaiah 46:10. But even now His body is immortal and glorious and glory shines from His face with vast intensity. 2 Corinthians 4:6.

We may be awaiting the wedding feast of the Lamb for glorification, all together like a graduating class. And after us a new class starts.

A New Dawn said:

Why is it that people on the left didn’t bat an eye when Obama broke the law and spied on his political opponent, or when Biden unleashed the power of the federal government against his political opponent, but when those very same people are being held accountable for their crimes, all of the sudden Trump is the dictator with nefarious plans for the country when he did absolutely nothing similar to all that nonsense in his first term?

Projection at its highest.

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Irony rating: 10/10

truthuprootsevil said:

Yes, nuclear weaponry, even if the Lord speaks it to happen. Zachariah is giving an example of exactly what nuclear weaponry will do to a human, they will disintegrate, while they stand on their feet. The difference is with man's weaponry one has to be fairly close to ground zero. With the Lord there is no limit.

2 Peter 3:10 But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:10 - The Day of the Lord

The King James version words are different: the heavens will pass away with a loud noise; the elements will MELT with fibrant heat and the earth ALSO and the works thereof be BURNED up.

All knowledge comes from the Lord doesn't the Bible tell us that? "" Man's knowledge of nuclear weaponry comes from God."" But that is rarely thought of.

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But there are other things that cause a person's body to disintegrate, like being burned in fire, or being put int a bath of acid. Saying that God uses nuclear weaponry seems to go beyond what Scripture says, and suggests that God first creates a nuclear bomb and then detonates it. I agree that there are similarities between the effects of a nuclear weapon and what happens at the Day of the Lord, but the latter is far worse, unless one knows the Saviour.

March 13

Real Christian William Wilberforce before Karl Marx set the slaves free via petitions and elections. He worked with William Pitt... He part invented the RSPCA. I think they were somewhere behind free education and reforms in India on disposing of unwanted babies and burning of widows. And tried to handle pornography.

Wilberforce was part of the Clapham Sect, a Christian-social reform group whose legacy includes:

• Abolition of slavery in the empire
• Early welfare reforms
• Prison reform
• Education expansion
• The RSPCA
• Campaigns against prostitution and obscene materials
• Major missionary and humanitarian work abroad

In many ways, they pioneered social-activism movements later seen in both liberal and Christian ethics — long before Marxist political theory existed.

Wilberforce is author of, Real Christianity.

stevevw said:

I think you may have misunderstood what I was suggesting. I am not saying God is the problem but actually fallen man who claims to know better and defies God. That only a person renewed in mind and spirit in Christ will ever be able to have a chance at being truely good to lead the people.

Therefore the logical assumption is that those in power who lead and are not renewed in Christ will inevitably be corrupted one way or another.

As though this is our measuring stick that can tell us ultimately though leaders claim to be moral such as being Woke or Humanist or whatever ideology used to replace God. That this will ultimately be corrupted and will should not be surpiised when we see such corruption come out today in leadership.

But I think you have highlighted another aspect. If this is the case that those who defy God blantly, ie have known God and His way but still defy Him then Gods judgement and punishment will also come upon them in one way or another.

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Well, the thought behind what I wrote was, slander, gossip, idle talk is so serious and damaging even though it may seem harmless.

W hen the great Prophetess Miriam, Moses older sister spoke with Aaron about Moses relationship with his wife God was enraged.

If Miriam was punished for seemingly harmless chitter chatter, how much more then should we avoid getting involved in such.

Thereof, Deuteronomy 24:9, to remind oneself.

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You see if the day of the Lord occurs after the millennium it will not come as a thief in the night, EVERYBODY that is alive whether damned or saved will know.

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What I said and believe, is the terrible Day of the Lords wrath, is the next Prophesied event we can expect. It will come as a surprise to all.
Jesus does not Return in vengeance and fiery wrath.

The glorious Return and the final Judgment will be known, as we get nearer to the times.

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Are there saints or church fathers who wrote anything about it? Is anyone here homeless?

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Gracious Heavenly Father and Lord Jesus,
Please be faithful to hold Neostar’s body and soul together throughout the maze of medical treatments he has to endure. I pray for wisdom for him, that he may best know how to comfort his wife during her time of grief. I pray for relief from guilt as well, that he may remember that You have paid for his sins, and strength to apologize to his wife, and rest for them both,
In Christ’s Name,
Amen

Both, probably cats a little more than dogs though.

Football or Fútbol?

Factotum said:

I definitely agree that Jordan is THEE ABSOLUTE WORST in history, when it comes to drama... here's my choice, for his worst drama moment:
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...and when it comes to TEAM sports, I stand with Magic Johnson re: the NBA ...when he said it is illogical to use the amount of titles won, to determine the GOAT player in a team sport. Because winning titles = there are just 'too many moving parts' that are impossible to give proper credit to.

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Bill Russell has the most titles, but 6 and 0 in titles with Jordan as the leader is very impressive. I think that older poeple who grew up watching Jordan are generally going to pick him. Lebron is a beast though and I doubt we will see another player that is similar to his skills perhaps ever again.