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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

So far, at least nine (now ~40) (now ~160) judges, including Trump appointees, have called a halt to Trump executive actions

Thousands of immigrants could be eligible for bond hearings, striking down DHS policy: Judge

A federal judge has struck down a Department of Homeland Security policy implemented in July that forced most immigrants who entered the United States without inspection to remain in detention throughout their removal proceedings.

The decision could potentially allow thousands of immigrants who have been subject to mandatory detention to be released.

On Tuesday, Judge Sunshine Suzanne Sykes in California certified a class granting relief to migrants who “have entered or will enter the United States without inspection” and those who were not initially detained when they came into the country.

[Class actions can still trigger nationwide effects.]
Another judge over reaching.
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

If judges are allowed to pick and choose federal DA's, then judges are overstepping their roles as judges. The DA must be selected by the Presidents and then approved by the Senate.
If you are trying to insinuate that the law is unconstitutional, this doesn't actually help you in your claims that the judge was wrong. Because if the law that they tried to use to install Halligan is ruled unconstitutional, then... obviously, they couldn't install Halligan that way (a reasonably straightforward reading of the law also says they can't install Halligan, but the point is if the law is unconstitutional to begin with, then they definitely can't install her under it, because it's unconstitutional).

Even if your assertion is that not the whole law is unconstitutional, merely the specific part of the law that allows for the district court to choose the interim attorney after the 120-day period has expired, that still doesn't help Halligan because the result of that would simply mean that once we're past that 120-day period, which we are, the position stays empty until the Senate confirms someone. Since Halligan has not been confirmed by the Senate (has she even been nominated?), she's therefore not appointed to the position.

Thus under the interpretation you appear to be advancing, Halligan's appointment is still invalid.
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Obama care collapsing.....

If he didn't bring inflation down, then he didn't reduce costs. If he did bring inflation down from what it otherwise would've been, I think it's fair to say that he reduced costs.
We'll see what happens if he brings it below Bidens last rates if you are genuine or not. Democrats sure didn't seem thar way before. Remember egg prices? Now that inflation is lower I don't see people saying he brought the cost of eggs down. In March Democrats were still complaining how he hasn't brought prices down when the rate was 2.5%. So pardon me it'll I'm skeptical.
I can't get the idea?
No you can't.
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High School Principal Accused Of Plotting Anti-ICE Terrorist Attack


There's been a lot of violence by like-minded people, and judges need to start giving long prison sentences out as a deterrent to others.
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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

You say: “whatever will we have is His doing”, so how is that not something programmed into us?
You see this life as a thing in and of itself. It is not. It is all God's doing.

Not that God can't see how we do, but I doubt that to him it makes any real difference whether he began something and let it progress, or whether he is actively, meticulously, seeing it through. Either way, the only thing that is real is so because he has established its reality. If we choose, we do because he established us, our choosing and our choice. It is real only because God is real. Where is any absolute spontaneity in that? Where is the little first cause? I see this the way I see the notion of "chance". You can call it "chance" and consider it real in your calculations, but in fact, "chance" is only a stand-in for, "I don't know". Your will is yours, and is real, and draws from God having created, one way or the other. So it is with "spontaneity". We can't calculate how "it" (whatever seems spontaneous) happens. It is not programming, but it is effected by myriad antecedent causes. We always choose what we most want at the instant of choice.
I am a believer in a “Block Universe”, but that does not eliminate the individual making autonomous free will choices.
No, of course it doesn't logically of itself deny autonomous free will choices. But it does give a point of view from which to consider the work of God.
From God’s perspective everything happened at once, He is outside of time, but we are in time (time God most likely created).

The question is what “set” the free will choice an individual made? Scientist do not believe in a god making the choices, since that is outside their realm of reasons, so it is the individual themselves make the choices.
Time is indeed a creation of God, as is very "reality", else he is not omnipotent, but subject to facts he did not cause.
Verses supporting free will
Remember that we need to establish, if possible, before claiming some verse passage promotes/supports "free will", just what free will is, and, if possible, what is implied by it. I know many Calvinists who would accept the dictionary definition that I think you would accept, yet they don't mean by it what you do. You and I both say, "real choice", but you think that means autonomy apart from GOD—"limited free will". I wonder what 'limited free will' can even MEAN! You and I both believe "responsible choice", but I think that is because of God's standard, and says nothing to our ability.
Gen. 1-3 Did Adam and Eve have free will?
No, and not even before they sinned. Nor did Lucifer.
Exodus 35:29 “All the Israelite men and women who were willing brought to the Lord freewill offerings for all the work the Lord through Moses had commanded them to do.” Are these truly free will offerings?
That's a misuse of the verse. Maybe it wasn't you I've already discussed that with. It means voluntary, not commanded. Look up some other versions and the Hebrew Interlinear.
Jonah 3: 10 “When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.” Did the people of Nineveh change what God said he would do?

How is this not saying that God’s actions are contingent on the choices of the people?
Who planned that 'contingency'? Who established their choice? Are you implying he didn't know which route he would go before they did?
"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40). Note that Jesus does not say, "you cannot come", which the Greek does not say here, but, "you refuse to come", in order that you may have eternal life. It was their own rejection of Jesus and the Gospel, that would damn their souls, and not because they were "unable" to make the "choice" themselves.
Sure, I can demonstrate this principle many times, to include Jezebel being given ample opportunity to repent, but she would not. (Rev 2:21) That doesn't imply that she could have. As you have seen throughout your life and from science and from past history, there is only one thing that ever happens: Whatever happens. "Could have" is our speculation. "We don't know". "Should have" demonstrates their responsibility—but "should have" does not imply "could have".
Christ is God here on earth. The “whomsoever” does not mean only the elect, but lots of people, who then made the choice to accept or reject Christ. "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40)
Sounds kinda like the Jezebel thing. They do indeed refuse. I have not said differently. They are responsible for that choice. But WHY did they refuse? "Nobody knows" doesn't mean their choices are not a result of antecedent causes.
To say: “Christ only reveals Himself to those who God have chosen to accept Him”, means God is guilty of not helping others to accept Christ.
Hardly. First, it is you who places the judgement of "GUILTY" on the matter as if it was a bad thing for him to do. He has every right, and, he has every reason. Second, as your use of "whomsoever" ("whosoever", no?), just who is that that chooses him?

By the way, I haven't done an exhaustive study of everywhere the KJV or other versions use the term, "whosoever" or "whatsoever" etc, but in John 3:16 the Greek doesn't imply that just anybody random will believe in him, nor even that it is an act of the will. Look at the Greek Interlinear.
John 15: 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

If they have no free will, they have an excellent excuse for sinning?
Taking this verse in or even out of context, even, I see no logic in claiming it for "free will". How does the one thing imply the other in my arrangement? Did they not choose to sin? That's all it takes for them to be guilty of it.
There are all the “whosoever” verses making it contingent.
You'll have to list them. I dealt with John 3:16.
If God is only saving some and not all for some unknowable reason, while saving all is just as easy for God to do, then a God that does not save all has less Love than a God who saves all.
The reason some are not "saved" is because they are unwilling.
Again, as before. If God knew this was the scenario before creating, but created anyway, he INTENDED what his creating produced.
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Independents....

Well, sure. I'm certainly biased towards political extremes. I don't like far left or far right positions.

For the most part, I'm the same. One of my biggest issues with partisan politicians is that they relentlessly follow an ideology, even if their ideological solutions aren't the best fit for the current situation. Or, they will dismiss a solution out of hand because it doesn't fit their ideology. Facts are selectively chosen or just plain fabricated. Making decisions in that manner will usually get you into trouble, and I think our government provides a perfect example of that.

When religion gets blended into politics, ideology becomes even more of a driving force. From my observation, this really tends to put the blinders on people. They no longer support their solution because it is the best / most viable solution, but because it is the more "righteous" solution. It becomes difficult to reason with people or have a meaningful conversation with them when they are in that state of mind.
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Healing and debate. My testimony

CF has shrunk quite a bit since 2002, when I first joined. That is mainly due to the advent of social media sites like Facebook and others. I remember there being so many people posting that you could barely keep up with the new material being added to single threads. I wish it were like that again... but then I think people have changed somewhat in their posting content and method. I guess the practices of social media have crept into CF, and that is not good.
Do you know if Soldier of Light has left CF ? Also do you understand John 3:13 Acts2:34
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Mary, Undoer of Knots

I think it's probably a both/and situation. Like you can pray it as a novena but you don't have to stop there either, especially if you find the prayer particularly beneficial to your faith and/or maybe that you have a particular devotion to Our Lady Undoer of Knots.
I agree.
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Why is it difficult for people to understand the importance of weekly Communion?

aND THIS IS WHAT THE GREEK TEXT has to say in 1 Cor 11 :26 says

# 1 FOR // GAR is a Conjuncation

# 2 AS OPFTEN AS //. HOSAKIO. is an ADVERB

# 3 YE EAT //. EARHIO. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in the ACTIVE VOICE. is a SUBJNUCATIVE in. the PLURAL

From. this. , IT MEANS any assembly can have communion as many times as they wish !!

dan p
Some do daily!
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Pro's and con's of using AI in political debate.

There's also this case.


I remember a few other stories where lawyers used ChatGPT or some other model to try and do their work faster and they got into hot water because the model produced references to cases that simply didn't exist.
Yes, and the lawyer used the reference without checking? He should be disbarred.
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ICE: Illegal suspect in hammer attack on woman jogging in Texas park overstayed visa

Agency says Biden administration arrested, then released suspect

Federal authorities have placed an immigration detainer on a 17-year-old Mexican national accused of savagely attacking a woman with a hammer while she jogged in a Texas park.

The incident unfolded on Nov. 13 at approximately 5 p.m., when police in Plano, a suburb of Dallas, say they responded to reports of an assault in the 2300 block of Shiloh Road, according to a Plano Police Department news release. The female victim was jogging in Bob Woodruff Park when she was ambushed by a male assailant who struck her repeatedly with a hammer before fleeing the scene.


Police say the attacker tried to duct tape the woman, but she was able to fight him off.

Paramedics transported the victim to a nearby hospital, where she was treated for non-life-threatening injuries.

In an initial update on Nov. 14, the Plano Police Department identified the suspect as Sergio Noe De Nova Duarte, who had been living in Plano, and charged him with aggravated kidnapping bodily injury, a first-degree felony. He was booked into the Collin County jail.

Continued below.
So much suffering caused by lax policies.
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U.S. Bishops Issue a “Special Message” on Immigration from Plenary Assembly in Baltimore

“We recognize that nations have a responsibility to regulate their borders and establish a just and orderly immigration system for the sake of the common good. Without such processes, immigrants face the risk of trafficking and other forms of exploitation. Safe and legal pathways serve as an antidote to such risks.”
Sounds good to me!
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Ecumenical expert: ‘No theological reasons to celebrate Easter on different dates’

You seem to have missed the part about how, under my proposal, no one would be forced to adopt the Gregorian paschalion.

Adjusting our Lunar tables would just create another schism. I wish this wasn’t the case, but that’s the reality of the situation. Any change would either cause a schism, interfere with EO/OO reunion, or cause more Orthodox to join the toxic schismatic Old Calendarists (who are opposed to the calendar largely due to their opposition to ecumenism, which they believe is a “pan-heresy” based on a remark made by a primate of ROCOR in the late 1980s, when ROCOR was canonically isolated due to communism.
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The healing effects of stories

......Enzo, driven purely by animal instinct, lunged at the plate and devoured the food without hesitation. His animal nature left no room for doubt or deliberation. On the other hand, Fred resisted, guided by caution.

The food was drugged. To Fred’s horror, Enzo collapsed—now the food hawker took off his mask.

Who was the 'thief in disguise' in Ruggero's life?
It might not be what you think.
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Lords supper, does it have to be bread and wine?

It needs to be done correctly or not at all. It is a portrayal of Christ's sacrifice....

anything with leaven in it portrays sin and Christ had no sin. ... etc.

It has it's basis in the Passover Meal.

The first-century congregation of Corinth did not understand the significance of the Passover. They observed it “in an unworthy manner,” not “discerning the Lord’s body” (1 Corinthians 11:27-29); they did not comprehend its real meaning.

The Passover Bread and Wine: The Meaning of the Passover Symbols
And VINES GREEK. DICTIONARY G371. says that UNWORTLY MANNER means that they were treating IT

as a COMMON. MEAL !!

dan p
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

And Romans 6:14 says For sin will NOT. //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means that sin will. NEVER ,

EVER. RULE. for. you are. NOT. //. OU is a DISJUNATIVE PARTICLE. NEGATIVE for we are not. under the LAW , but

under GRACE !!

AND neither under the NEW COVENANT. and you say that you are , give a VERSE. PLEASE. !!

dan p
Isaiah 42:6 “I am the Lord, I have called you in righteousness,
I have taken you by the hand and kept you;
I have given you as a covenant to the people,
a light to the nations, RSVCE

Jesus is both the High Priest and the sacrifice.
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what are you feeling right now? (24)

There is a rule in life. Not just Christian life or even religious life, but just a general rule.
If you hang on to things you should not have, they will eventually hang on to you. Disengage yourself from them. Make a clean break.
I used to believe that we should "be ourselves and genuine with God." But God expects us to change. We can change if we want to. We can renew our minds and crucify our flesh. We can forsake the world. It is only hard because we have such a tight hold on the things of this world. Or perhaps they have a tight hold on us. Either way... Put on the new man. It is not the man we are... not yet. But we can be free. I still struggle with some things. But not as much as I once did. But I know my righteousness is tied up with him, not myself. He helps.
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National Parks to raise fees by $100 for international tourists to popular U.S. parks

...so what happes if I take a non-resident into one of the parks in my vehicle? Are NPS staff going to check if every occupant of a vehicle is a U.S. resident? Imagine the additional time and entrance backups that will incur...
They'd likely never know...

Per vehicle park admission fees typically just go by the license plate
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