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Salvation is in your hands, Jesus did his part

It’s starts off with repentance, that’s one of the first thing Jesus says when he got started in his ministry, Jesus says in Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Stop sinning is the first forms of repentance, that's a lot work on it's on. Learning how to get self out the way. Now, Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.
And per your belief and admission those that don’t keep the sabbath are sinners and if they don’t repent will go to hell. So much for salvation by the free grace of God through faith in the Son. You are a legalist and promote a works salvation.
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Lindsey Halligan, and the dog that ate the transcript.

I think you mean incompetence drives the bus. (Because, generally, competence has a lot to lose signing on to this corrupt clown show.)
This was all strategic by the Trump DOJ, in order to beat the statute of limitations deadline on charging Comey. Kalligan beat it by 36 hours I heard.
Now that Kalligan is disqualified, the Court gives them several weeks to replace her and reinstate the charges.

It was very clever, by Bondi.
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What Jesus Said About Adam and Eve

Where did Jesus ever say that Genesis is a literal historical accvount? I don't see where He ever said this.
We often refer to fictional characters as if they were literal historical. Someone out if context could think we mean them that way.
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Church is, Church isn't

The Church isn’t (to be)

• A building built by humans with or without a steeple on top​
• A place you go to once or twice a week and then you leave​
• A business of human origin being marketed to the world​
• Incorporated under (joined, included, united with) the state​
• Merged, combined, partnered with the world and the ungodly​

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5]

The Church is (to be)

• The universal body of believers in Jesus Christ, by faith in Christ​
• A gathering of people of like faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord​
• For the purpose of mutual participation and encouragement​
• For mutual edification, exhortation, and sharing of Spiritual gifts​
• For the spiritual upbuilding of the body of Christ to spiritual maturity​

[Acts 2:14-18,42-47; Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-31; 1 Corinthians 14:1-5; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:1-16; Ephesians 5:15-21; Ephesians 6:10-20; Philippians 2:1-8; Colossians 3:12-16; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:13; Hebrews 10:23-25; James 5:19-20]

Therefore, when we gather together as the church, the body of believers in Jesus Christ, by God-gifted and God-persuaded faith in our Lord, it is for the purpose of our mutual encouragement and edification where each part is able to do its work, as we have been gifted by the Holy Spirit in spiritual gifts, and as we have been given our assignments by God as to our specific body parts (roles, ministries) within the body of believers in Jesus Christ.

So, this is not a “one man show,” where one man does all the preaching, and leads every gathering, and whose sermons are never tested to see if they are of God or not… And where the “pastor” is treated more like a CEO of a corporation, or more like a cult leader who is surrounded by a faithful few who are protecting him and his position, regardless of whether he is right or wrong, or if he is living the Christian life, or not, which is all about running a business. And it is not about a show, period, where a few gifted and talented people (in speaking and in music) put on a stage production intended to draw in large crowds of people from the world into their gatherings.

Yes, the early church had overseers, but they were overseers of the entire church (the body of believers in Christ) within a particular city, so they were not the singular pastors of all these gatherings, which usually met in people’s homes, which is where the people were able to share their gifts and mutual encouragements. And since the body of Christ was to meet daily, and to encourage one another daily, and they met in people’s homes, it may be that there wasn’t always an overseer at every one of their gatherings.

Now, the body of Christ cannot function as the biblical body of Christ in large gatherings where a few people put on the show while the rest of the people largely sit in pews or chairs as spectators, and then they go home and live their normal lives until the next week. The Bible, in fact, teaches that we are to be speaking the truth of God’s word to one another in love, and we are to be speaking to one another in spiritual songs, and we are to be admonishing and teaching one another, and exhorting one another EVERY DAY.

Do we need overseers? Yes! But the shepherds of the people are not to be the only ones doing the talking and the preaching and sharing of gifts. But they are to be those who are leading the sheep in how they are to live and operate together as the body of Christ, who are training and equipping the saints of God in the work of the ministry. For all of us are to be ministers, not just one person. And those who are overseers need to meet the spiritual qualifications of an overseer, and they need to be accountable to the church.

“Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love” (Ephesians 4:15-16). “But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. If all were a single member, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, yet one body” (1 Corinthians 12:18-20).

No Less

An Original Work / March 19, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


I can do no less than praise You,
Lord, for all You’ve done for me.
You died for my sins to save me,
So I would be set free.
I adore You! Lord, I praise You!
Jesus, Savior, King of kings!
You provided my redemption.
Your grace has pardoned me.

I can do no less than serve You.
Lord, Your witness I would be,
Telling others of Your love,
And why You died on that tree.
Tell of how You gave of Your life,
So from sin we’d be set free,
So we could worship You forever,
And live eternally.

I can do no less than love You,
Lord, for You have first loved me.
You gave of Your life so willing,
Because You cared for me.
Turn from my sin! Obey freely!
Live for You each passing day.
Read Your word, and follow Your lead,
Lord, as I humbly pray.

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An Original Work / December 11, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

RFK Adjusts Hepatitis B Vaccine Recommendations; Democrats Lose Their Minds

Oops. The only ones politicizing it were the leftists.


I saw this story yesterday at The Atlantic. The headline is clearly meant to be attention-grabbing. But WOW, what an admission! If you had suggested that a child could have died from the COVID vaccine just a few years ago, you would have been accused of spreading misinformation and censored. That the mainstream media now readily admits that children died from the COVID vaccine is honesty quite astounding. If COVID taught us anything, it's that the only thing that separates conspiracy and "misinformation" from truth is often just time.

But the blasé way that the article approaches this very serious issue is kind of like (my paraphrase)...

Well of course some children died. Them's the breaks. You win some, you lose some. Ah well. Hoory for mRNA!

Absent from that article is any mea culpa or retrospection that, hmm, maybe mandating vaccines for children to attend school was ill-advised, given that children were at an infinitesimal risk from COVID. It's almost like we just have to accept that mandating interventions absent evidence means that, yeah, sure, we're going to lose a child here and there. But SCIENCE!

It would be laughable if it weren't so sad. But the thing that concerns me the most is the lack of concern and the blind trust that so many people still have in the industry and those funded by them. They still truly believe that this is about public health. They can easily spot when Joe Schmo is grifting and making a buck or two on false claims from vaccines, but they are completely, utterly, and I believe in many cases willfully blind to the IMMENSE financial incentives driving our public health "recommendations".
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Why do people hate ICE...

Federal immigration agents tackled and arrested a Somali American man in Minneapolis on Tuesday and detained him for about two hours for no apparent reason other than his ethnicity. The man who was arrested said that the agents had trouble finding the Bishop Henry Whipple Federal Building at Ft. Snelling while driving him there.​
The 20-year-old was not suspected of any crime, and described his ordeal during a Wednesday news conference alongside Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Police Chief Brian O’Hara, who each denounced the agents’ actions.​

This is state sponsored terrorism.
I’ve heard this referred to as a “Kavanaugh Stop”. CF
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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

Yes behold. Right out of the gate, the disinformation from your uncited source
Uncited?

The citation is right at the bottom of the image!
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One year after the gold confiscation in 1933, the value of gold was set at $35 per ounce following the Gold Reserve Act of 1934. This was an increase from the previous value of $20.67 per ounce at the time of the confiscation.
As you can see, the chart is by decade.
Ooops! The price is still climbing; and the demand is higher than what is being mined. Aside from it being categorized as a strategic metal, what is being used to create the growing solar panel market is unrecoverable.
Not sure how this is relevant, or that it refutes the chart.
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WHY THE BODY OF CHRIST REIGNS TODAY. !!

I think the body of Christ reigns today even more than ever because theres too many wolves. Now more than ever is the world open to turning a truth into a lie and a lie into the truth. The postmodern age where words, narratives and feelings make relaity and there is no way to tell the truth.

So we need a clear and truthful example in among all that white noise of Enlightened relativism that will be different and stand out as worthy and without fault. One that is above reproach.

As Christians we know this is Christ. But we have often failed to differentiate ourselves from the culture wars and the church has become just another identity among many even divided among itself. In a never ending war of words and alternative truth claims.

So that means the only way to stand out from all this is to actually be like Christ. To become part of the body of Christ. Which means actually living like Christ and not just speaking the words. This means actually doing what the bible says. Not half doing it but doing it all the way. Just as they did in the early church.

That means being willing to lay down your life literally. Put God above world desires and wants. Not having those material goods and doinging everything as Gods will and not our own.

When we see how even churches don't live to much different to the world then its no wonder people hate the church and God. Most people today do not do what they say. They are good at pointing out the wrongs of others or how people should live. But don't actually live that way themselves.

People are more respected when they live what they preach or teach. In fact for the early church and for Christ they were fairly silent when it came to their own opinion and getting into culture wars. They lived the gospel and example and the few words they did say were well respected. Because people seen that they lived what they preached and it was the truth.

This is all about embodying the gospel and Christ. This example speaks volumes and is power. People cannot argue against it because you are what you say.

But the important thing is that no human idea could ever be good enough that it would make a person untouchable and above reproach. Because we are weak.

So when people embody and like as Christ and actually putting others above themselves, loving their enermies and dying for them. Thet see God without one word being spoken. This is the power of Christs example. People do not even have to say where the truth and power of this testimony comes from. They immediate see it is from God as Christ is God and we are reflecting that to others.

I think the body of Christ is rising again because the world strayed so far away from God. When this happens God reminds people and Christs light shines in the darkness so that people can know Him when the chaos and darkness becomes too great in the world. Bold and pure Christians will restore Gods truth in among all the lies and wolves and Pharisees who are hypocrites.
And most here will never believe that the LAW has been set aside AS is written. in. ACTS 28:25-28 and in. ISA 6:1-13

and 2 Tim 2:15 will not believe >

and HEB 9:18. is the MOST POWERFUL verse that says why the LAW HAD TO BE SET ASIDE !!

dan p
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

Can Tish cheer yet?

2nd grand jury refuses to indict New York AG Letitia James: Sources

For a second time in recent days, a federal grand jury in Virginia has refused to indict New York Attorney General Letitia James for alleged mortgage fraud, sources said.

The grand jury rejected the Department of Justice's attempt to refile the case after a federal judge dismissed an earlier case based on the unlawful appointment of the U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia.

The charges were presented to a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia's Alexandria branch after a grand jury in Norfolk, Virginia, last week rejected the charges.

"This unprecedented rejection makes even clearer that this case should never have seen the light of day," James' attorney, Abbe Lowell, said in a statement. "Career prosecutors who knew better refused to bring it, and now two different grand juries in two different cities have refused to allow these baseless charges to be brought. Any further attempt to revive these discredited charges would be a mockery of our system of justice."
As New York Judge Sol Wachtler said in 1985, “If a district attorney wanted, a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich.”

That is how incompetent the Trump DOJ is.
In fact in one case, the ham sandwich won.
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Chapel Veils

Several. Then again, I live in the most conservative diocese in the nation. That's when I attend my parish. A vast majority do NOT.

At the tradional Latin Mass, almost all females (including infant girls and little girls) wear the veil. I've only seen maybe 1-2 at the TLM that don't.
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Bible distribution amidst floods. Prayer counters fear. 11 sentenced to 3 to 15 years.

Bible distribution continues in Pakistan despite devestating floods.

While flooded rivers and fields have made travel difficult in Pakistan, some Christian teams continue to carry on the important work of distributing Bibles there. Devastating floods have led to the deaths of more than 800 people and forced over 1 million Pakistanis to evacuate their homes and villages. “Please pray for them,” said a front-line worker. “It is very difficult, and they need to know where they can go because of the many flooded areas and also because of ongoing security threats.” Around 2% of Pakistan’s population, roughly about 4 million people, are believed to be Christians. Even during dry seasons, Christians must use care in distributing Bibles, knowing the opposition they could face at the hands of fanatical Muslims.

Click here to find out about Christian persecution in Pakistan and learn how to pray.

Commitment to prayer counters fear.

For Christians in Buddhist-dominated Bhutan, fear of the government and the reaction of neighbors to Christian witness runs deep. Anti-conversion laws can bring punishments up to life imprisonment for carrying out the activities of the Christian faith. However, many faithful brothers and sisters in Christ remain committed to him despite the risk. A front-line worker shared the example of one Christian woman dedicated to praying continuously. Seven days each week, she comes to the church to pray, returning home only to sleep. “Her trust and passion for the Lord was humbling,” the worker said. Pray for Bhutanese Christians to have strength and courage to persevere in the face of fears and pressure. Pray also for protection and encouragement for those who are facing opposition, imprisonment or family rejection.

Click here to find out about Christian persecution in Bhutan and learn how to pray.

Sentenced for practicing their faith.

Eleven Christians in Libya have been sentenced to 3 to 15 years in prison for practicing their faith. The 11 were arrested in March 2023 and sentenced in April 2025. Members of the group, which includes 9 Libyan men, one woman and one Pakistani national, were sentenced on several charges including “insulting Islam” and “calling for the establishment of a banned group,” according to various reports. They also faced charges of apostasy for converting from Islam and could have been sentenced to death, but the court did not pursue that penalty. Pray that our imprisoned brothers and sister will stand firm in their faith amid the challenges of prison; that they will have opportunities to share the gospel with their fellow inmates; and that they will be released. Pray also for their families to experience God’s comfort and provision.

Click here to find out about Christian persecution in Libya and learn how to pray.
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Skipping 'The Skipper' Sanctions: A blatant theft? And, an international act of piracy??

I don't have a problem with taking an unregistered ship in international water. Let the owners/insurers sue in international court the legality of the ship and cargo. I I am not sure if rank and file crew members would know about the fake registration. Some are assigned from agencies, that recruit from owners/operators. I am glad that the U.S. military handled this without any loss of life on either side, that Trump got a warrant and given the value of the cargo, I think that the legalities can be worked out later.

From google ai:
Who can justify the taking of a ship that is flying under a false flag? Anyone?




"Yes, a warship or authorized government vessel from any state can legally stop, board, and potentially seize a ship on the high seas that is flying a false flag.

Under international maritime law, specifically Article 92 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), a ship must sail under the flag of only one State. If a ship sails under two or more flags according to convenience, or under a false flag (without the authorization of that country), it may be treated as a stateless vessel.

Stateless vessels are not entitled to the protection or the exclusive jurisdiction of any flag state. This means that the principle of freedom of navigation, which generally prevents interference by other nations on the high seas, does not apply.

Article 110 of UNCLOS explicitly grants any warship the right to board a merchant ship on the high seas if there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that:

  • The ship is engaged in piracy or the slave trade.
  • The ship is involved in unauthorized broadcasting.
  • The ship is, in reality, of the same nationality as the warship, despite flying a foreign flag.
  • The ship is without nationality (stateless).
The recent seizure of the oil tanker Skipper by the U.S. demonstrates this principle. The U.S. government justified the seizure by pointing out that the vessel was falsely flying the flag of Guyana, a fact confirmed by the Guyanese Maritime Administration. Additionally, the U.S. had a federal judicial warrant to seize the vessel due to its alleged involvement in an illicit "dark fleet" oil trafficking network that violated sanctions against Venezuela and Iran, which further solidifies the legal basis for the action.

In summary, any state with the capability and reasonable grounds for suspicion can act against a ship using a false flag, as it is considered a matter of enforcing public order and security on the high seas."

Interestingly, neither the USA or Venezuela are signatories of this nearly universal law. Google ai still justifies it by "customary law."

It is also interesting that "Overall "Dark Fleet" Percentage: The "dark" or "shadow" fleet (vessels with obscured ownership and operations, often using deceptive practices like false flags) now accounts for an estimated 10% to 17% of all global seaborne oil transportation."
There should be more done about false flag ships. I hope they do not get their oil or their ship back unless they have a good legal reason. In those ships that cut the underwater cables, some officers are charged with crimes. Typically the ships were returned though.
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The real gifts and what they really are.

Hi Arbitor

All the gifts are from the Spirit. Local, corporate? I'm not sure what you mean that. The Body of Christ, yes. Alistair Begg said it best. "Anything good that comes from us for the Church is an undeserved gift from God".

Dave

Well you seem also to be saying that people are using the Spiritual gifts incorrectly. What do you mean by that? Exactly how?
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Who really is incoming Congressman George Santos (R-NY), anyway? His biography appears to be fictional. Now charged by feds.

Santos’ exclusive guest list for the party included several members of Congress, including Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA).

“I’m glad he’s out of prison,” Rep. Burchett told TMZ outside the event. “The party was rocking, man.”

He recalled, “I saw people getting turned away while I was coming in. I’m not used to that,” adding, “They had caviar, which I’ve never actually seen in real life… They had these humongous shrimp and then they had that chocolate fountain.”
lol wut? The guy's a 61yo congreeman, has never seen caviar and gets excited over a chocolate fountain?
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Let's look at your snake image, if the rock has been reduced to a melted paste why not shape the snake in a single scoop instead of segmented scoops?
The reason is quite simple, this is a relief cut where a series of overlapping holes were drilled which were then chiselled out and gives the segmented appearance. This was explained to you but alas due to cognitive dissonance it didn't register.

As an AI exercise I asked it how it was produced.

The difference in my response to AI is I based it on the Egyptian method of drilled overlapping holes whereas for AI the holes are not overlapped but the manufacturing principles are similar.
Even if AI is a dumb language model why is there no reference to stone softening and scooping, since you rather disingenuously try to portray this as established science it should have fallen within the range of an AI response.
As a further AI exercise I asked if the snake shape could have been the result of melting and scooping.



Could this shape have been produced by melting and scooping?


No. The physical features visible in the image are all consistent with mechanical removal of material, not melting.





1. The depressions are circular and uniform


The small cavities in the vertical line are true circles of similar diameter.


  • Melted and scooped material does not naturally form repeated, identical, circular holes.
  • Circular holes are a known outcome of drilling or repeated percussion with a fixed-diameter tool.



2. The holes follow a straight axis


The depressions form a straight line, with consistent spacing.


  • Thermal softening or erosion does not create a straight sequence of evenly spaced depressions.
  • Straight, evenly spaced holes are diagnostic of a deliberate mechanical technique used to weaken stone along a line so it can be split.



⚒️ 3. The interior texture shows brittle fracture, not flow


A melted-and-scooped surface would show:


  • smoothed or glassy interiors
  • sagging, flowing forms
  • soft edges

Instead, the walls show:


  • granular fracture
  • chipped edges
  • powdery or micro-flaked surfaces

These occur when stone is struck or drilled, not heated.




4. The upper cavity does not match melted shapes


The larger cavity above the row of holes has:


  • uneven edges
  • mechanical chipping
  • no signs of fused or softened material

If material were melted and removed, we would expect:


  • rounded, fluid margins
  • continuous curvature
  • a unified flow texture

Instead, we see something that is more consistent with mechanical hollowing or later weathering of a mechanically made recess.




5. Weathering can make the pattern look organic


Wind, rain, and mineral oxidation can soften the edges of already-existing mechanical tool marks.


This can make a row of holes resemble:


  • a snake-like figure
  • a stylized groove
  • an organic form

But the underlying geometry—repetition, circularity, straight alignment—reveals a mechanical origin.




6. Summary: Why melting is ruled out


Evidence in the photoWhat it indicates
Repeated circular holesMechanical drilling/percussion
Straight alignmentA deliberate split line
Consistent diameterA fixed-size tool, not melting
Granular fractured surfacesImpact or drilling
No fluid texturesNot melted
Organic look only after weatheringAppearance, not origin

All diagnostic features match mechanical tool action, not thermal alteration.




If you want, I can also redo this in a short bullet list, show how this compares to real melted stone, or explain how the tool method works.
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Another look at the moon landing.

This is not figurative.

King James Bible
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
It does not delve into the mechanics of whether they are generating light or reflecting light. Obviously there is no conflict with Scripture when we understand that the moon is reflecting the sun's light, since that would by its very nature make it a lesser light.
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

Thats a terrible assumption to make. If you listen to her story you might realize she wrote to tell the story of the horrors of Islamism. Because she lived it. Would she be more believable if her story didn't make her book didn't sell?
There's a lot of money to be made in the anti-Islam industry, and many ex-Muslims have discovered this. Anytime I see an ex-Muslim who frequently appears on right-wing platforms promoting their books or sharing horror stories, I question their sincerity and motivations.

As we have seen in the US already places that have been Essentially taken over by the Islamic community. Places in Europe are even worse off.
Have you been to any of these places in the US and Europe that you believe have been taken over by the Islamic community?
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