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KJV

Actually the King James Bible is a little over 400 years old. While it is increasingly challenging to read for every new generation, it is basically readable . It is not subject to copyright laws so it is inexpensive and convenient for all kinds of communication.

It is the Wycliffe translation of 14th century English that is much closer to 700 years. While Wycliffe did a great service, the language in his translation is truly obsolete now.

Compare ( for ex.) John 3:16

John 3:16​

King James Version​


John 3:16​


“¶ For God so loued þe world, that he gaue his only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.”

1611 King James Version (KJV



John 3:16​

King James Version ( modified)​

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


To the 1382 Wycliffe translation:


16For God louede so the world, that he yaf his `oon bigetun sone, that ech man that bileueth in him perische not, but haue euerlastynge lijf.
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What's on your mind?

Thank you all for the birthday wishes. I hope you are all doing well & may God bless!

I'll tell you a long time ago nobody cared it was my birthday other then my family. But yesterday, I got so many birthday wishes from different people I've met since that time. I wouldn't have thought so back then
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Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

Here you go.
Thank you for providing the source. The only thing that interested me in my quick read was that the article was published in 2014 and their measure was the WISC which was replaced in 1974 by the WISC-R. I think the results are relative (no pun intended) and would not have been changed by using the current version of the test, but I wonder why they did that. I doubt it is a textual error given the thoroughness of the article.
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FBI has opened 250 investigations tied to violent online network '764' that preys on teens, top official says

DOJ charges former Navy sailor, 4 others for alleged roles in 'monstrous' online extortion group

Authorities say the group, "Greggy's Cult," later helped spawn the 764 network.

For much of the past year, federal authorities have been issuing similar warnings about online predators operating much like "Greggy's Cult," especially members of the online extremist network 764, who often extort young victims into self-harm but also desensitize them with neo-Nazi or other extremist propaganda and push victims to commit extreme acts of violence against others, including mass shootings.
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The Economist on Trump Economy

It looks like they know what the effects of Trump's actions have done to the economy, and are trying to delay the discovery.
I don't think those kinds of "psychic economic visions" can be made with regards all economic policy endeavors and exploration.

Some of the easy stuff can be predicted with a certain degree of confidence. (for example, something blatant like "We're going to increase sales tax on all items to 90%")

Then other things predicted wildly inaccurately. Like when Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman famously said "In a few years you'll find, that the impact the internet has on the economy will be no greater than that of the fax machine"


But I don't think the kinds of things currently being argued about necessarily fit that "easy to predict the outcome" model.
-- unless of course, its "self-fulfilling prophecy" when people sabotage new ideas on purpose just to strong arm people into going back to the comfortable status quo.


Admittedly, I'm undecided on aspects of the whole tariff thing....but I do know, that it's the kind of change that will have a certain "pain period" due to its deviation from the status quo, and only after that adjustment period would we know if it was actually a good idea.

The issue is that the "keepers of the status quo" like the status quo and profit handsomely off of it, and in a confidence-based economy, all it takes for one of them to sabotage an idea is to give a statement to one of their pals in the mainstream media who will print it, and cause a panic (undermining confidence), which will kneecap any new idea before it's even given a fair attempt.
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‘TERMINATED!’ Trump Calls to End FEMA and Let States Manage Disasters for ‘BIG SAVINGS’

There are rich states and poor (usually red) states. There are states that are continually beset with natural disasters--Florida, Louisiana, Texas, California--and others that are usually safe from hurricanes and forest fires.

This is why FEMA should be a federal program--and Trump should allow FEMA to do its job without petty vindictive revenge fantasies that he continually engages in.
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

From the link:

'Hegseth said he did not see any survivors in the water, saying the vessel “exploded in fire, smoke, you can’t see anything. ... This is called the fog of war.”

The man is an idiot.
Makes them easier to throw under the bus when Trump is through with them.
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Special Counsel Report Says Trump Would Have Been Convicted in Election Case

Trump is poison to America, the world and the planet itself. And yet we swallowed him because he appealed to our basest nature.

Are we waking up yet? Can we still recover?
No.
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What is your Motivation to Discuss/Debate Things Online?

On a computer
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Go to Settings.
Click Privacy and security, then Site Settings.
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Go to Settings.
Tap Permissions, then Pop-ups and redirects.
Toggle the setting to turn the feature on or off.
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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

You failed to understand that Ezek 28 is not speaking about the devil. It's actually about Lucifer,
they are the same person. Lucifer fell and then was called the devil.


who was not created as a devil, but became "the Devil" or Satan, after He rebelled against God and sinned.
Yep , Lucifer was created sinless but then became , Satan, the devil, the serpent of old.
It would really help your cause if you did a bit of a study to understand the surrounding context of the scriptures, you refer to. It's not profitable to just pluck them out
Well so far you are stuck on an island where Lucifer did not fall and become the devil. The rest of us are not taken up with that suggestion.

Isaiah 14:12 and Ezekiel 28, which describe a proud Cherub cast down from heaven, and Luke 10:18 where Jesus says, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven
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Hello everybody

My name is just plain old Dave. I used to post on Christian forums for about eight years when they first became popular in the early two thousands, and then stopped for about ten plus years, until recently when I started posting again. It seems that the character of many of the main forums has changed. I'm guessing that many were sold, which I always thought was inevitable since these were kind of a last stand where Christians could still talk without the 'modern thinking' (to put in mildly) policing us. So I'm looking for a new home.

My views on Scripture have grown, and they they have always been unique in a lot of ways and continue to be so. I've always considered myself reformed, but at the same time, I've always questioned some of the traditional reformed views of Scripture. Recently, many of those questions are being answered and I'm finding myself moving further away from traditional reformed views. Though, foundationally, I still hold to God's sovereignty over all things and continue in those core Biblical beliefs. I'm anxious to bring my understanding of Scripture to productive discussions and see what happens.

Sorry in advance for my dyslexia crippled posts. Sometimes it makes my already hard to understand posts even more difficult to read. I have good days and bad. Looking forward to talking....

Dave

Thanks for sharing!

I'm brand new to this intriguing Forum.
I love productive discussions so Hopefully I get to interface your Understanding of scripture.
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