Gene2memE said:

It's not just Democrats that are having "existential meltdowns" about the vaccine schedule changes. It's pretty much the entirety of the US medical profession.

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So, more accurately, Democrats and mostly-Democrat associated health organizations. In particular, those that are funded primarily by pharmaceutical companies. Like the American Association of Pediatrics, as one example. Here's who funds them according to their website:



But I'm sure their recommendations are 100% pure and untainted by the fact that nearly all of their funding comes from the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture these vaccines.

In any event, the new recommendation from ACIP is consistent with many other developed nations of only giving the Hep B vaccine to high-risk newborns. There's no reason for medical organizations to be "deeply alarmed".

Is my niece on TikTok?

IECEO

It is in heavy code so that it can only be unlocked by someone that studies the bible a lot, studies the life of Solomon deliberately, and specifically, is willing to follow the text of the bible wherever it leads, and is willing to say what the bible says even if it is unpopular amongst other Christians. Also if it said in plain language "the mark of the beast is the hexagram on the future country Israel" the Christian Zionists would mock the bible, and say it has been corrupted that is not what it said originally.

Jipsah said:

Worth Price Charged opinion here. The Revelator seems to assume that his readers will know to whom "666" refers. IMO that lends credibility to the idea that it's simply an encoded name used to keep the the letter itself from becoming a basis for arrest/perscution/execution.

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I made a post about it. It links back to Solomon 3 times via 666, and also wisdom, and understanding which links to the modern country "Israel", and the mark of the beast is the hexagram. It is in heavy code so that it can only be unlocked by someone that studies the bible a lot, studies the life of Solomon deliberately, and specifically, is willing to follow the text of the bible wherever it leads, and is willing to say what the bible says even if it is unpopular amongst other Christians. Also if it said in plain language "the mark of the beast is the hexagram on the future country Israel" the Christian Zionists would mock the bible, and say it has been corrupted that is not what it said originally.

stevevw said:

Not only is your idea of me warped

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Are you not middle-aged Australian?

stevevw said:

but your idea and steroetypes of Trump supporters is also twisted and strange.

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I had to build the most extreme caricature of an ignorant MAGA Trump superfan to come close to your dogmatic and uninformed presentation on the current US president. I was certainly not stereotyping American Trump supporters.

stevevw said:

My info and view comes from expert analysis and not MAGA.

I disagree because I am basing this off the politicians and expert political commentators. How is it deranged when its truth lol.

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Guests on "Lindell . tv" do not meet the normative definition of experts.

stevevw said:

They are the ones who said it lol. Where do you think I got this. I have also been following this for years.

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The other posters? I could believe that you take the worst of their ideas and layer on your own ignorance of American politics, culture, and history.

stevevw said:

I actually got caught in the first Iraqi war in Kwait.

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Which is not America. (My HS classmates also got stuck fighting that war.)

stevevw said:

I think you underestimate my knowledge and experience.

But I do so I am more informed than you.

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Than me wasn't the issue. It was your knowledge relative to the other conservative posters. I'd still put up their understanding of American reality over you any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

stevevw said:

Which is real.

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Real or not, it is irrelevant to the thread and THAT was my point.

stevevw said:

There you go. You jump into my posts and don't even know what your complaining about. It was in response to the one sided moral claims about the Narco boats.

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You were whingeing about anti-Christian bias related to criticism of Trump's policy/action which is rather silly as Trump is at best a nominal Christian. (And I understand the moral depravity of your position on narco boat killings.)

stevevw said:

I used those examples to show how they are bias and have no moral ground. You don;t need to know a detailed history of American politics or Trump to know this as its quite plain to see. Even the Australian commentators say the same.

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Are the Aussie commentators really that bad? (or just the ones on the "Fox News" of Australia.) (I am well aware that Ruprect Murdock is Australia's worst crime against America.)

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They do when people are making bias moral claims. The perfect rebuff is to show how they have no moral ground to stand on and they have allowed the same and it was quite ok then. But not now because its Trump.

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But how can you *know* what any poster's position on drone strikes by Obama or whatever was? You certainly don't know mine. Now please, let's go back to discussing the news item on the current sequence of drone strikes on drug boats off the coast of Venezuela

BobRyan said:

Truly a novel reading of the chapter.
Thanks for helping me see how that suggestion unfolds.

Historically, figures like Irenaeus, Hippolytus, and later Protestant reformers emphasized the Messiah's coming within this single 490 year timeline.

Vs 25 "70 weeks have been cut off" is a reference to the fact that the Angel shows up in Dan 9 to give "an explanation of the vision previously written as Dan chapter 8. So then Dan 9 is a much needed help for Dan 8. At the end of chapter 8 Daniel complains that it is not explained.

Dan 9 verse 25 says in essence that the first 70 weeks (490 years ) of the 2300 year timeline in chapter 8, are devoted to details regarding the coming of the Messiah in the first century AD>

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Thank you. I made some corrections I think are in important.

Cornelius in Acts 10 was a man known by God before he came to faith in Jesus Christ. You can see God taking that OT faith and as predestined, seeing it through to a NT faith in Jesus Christ. Just like with Lydia. That's what I believe Romans 9 is speaking of. They were already known by God, but predestined to come to faith in Jesus. All that the Father gives Me, I shall not lose one of them.

John 14:6-7 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

He *knew them*, before Pentecost, before they were indwelt with the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17) Before the Promise of the Father was given (Luke 24:49, Acts 1:4) - Pentecost, before they were in Christ and born again (Ephesians 1:13-14, 1 Peter 1:3). OT believers were not even yet justified, except by promise (Romans 3:25).

Romans 8:29-30 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called (John 10:27-28); whom He called, these He also justified (Romans 3:25); and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Factotum said:

That was a very clever thing to do by Hegseth. When you consider our nation's negligent National Security and DoD objectives, 2021-'24.

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Yep, you want your military lawyers bowing to the political tides and ideology of whoever happens to be in power at the time and not providing neutral, fact-based, politically-independent legal advice. Because that has no possibility whatsoever of boomeranging on anyone. And the people who are in power now are always going to be in power. So there will be no see-sawing of legal interpretations. And no consequences!

Praying all is well and medication is provided in time.

The decree that went out had to be Nehemiah 2 20th year which went out on Nisan (abib in the torah) which was passover as Jesus in the NT is killed on passover. 445 BC decree goes out then 49 years later everything is rebuilt, all the Levites had come back from Babylon, and all the gold had come back from the Ezra 7 decree. Note most of those things happened by Nehemiah 12 time which takes place no longer than 12 years after the Nehemiah 2 decree as Nehemiah 3 is the 32nd year but maybe all the gold, and other people did not come back until around. 396 BC. From then until the messiah is cut off was 62 7s / 434 years or 483 years from the decree 445 BC. Converting 483 360 day years ends up with 476 solar years +25 days = around 32 AD. Can +- 1 maybe max 2 years either way. Persian chronology has a lot of sources, and is fixed pretty hard either way.

Daniel 9
[g] The people (the Roman army) of the ruler (either Jesus or Titus or Vespasian) who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary (Romans destroying Jerusalem 70 AD) . The end will come like a flood: (Jesus said 70 AD would be like Noahs flood; the Romans flooded in, and killed everyone) War will continue until the end (the end of the Mosaic age) , and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[h] In the middle of the ‘seven’[i] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[j] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[k]”[l]


Josephus says Eleazar Ben Hanania stopped the daily sacrifice the Judeans had been doing for the Romans 66 AD, and this angered the Romans, and was one of the main causes of the Judean Roman wars. So if this is what Dan meant the final 7 was 63-70 AD ending with the destruction of the temple. One of the Judean rebels must of put an abomination of desolation in the temple before 70 AD but it was not recorded, and by the sound of it made a covenant with the Romans or other Judeans that they broke also not recorded. Josephus says another daily sacrifice stopped 70 AD because of want of anyone to do it aka they were too busy fighting each other, and the Romans. If this is what Dan meant then the final 7 was 66-73 AD ending with the last of the Judean rebels killing themselves at Masada. 66-73 was the length of the Judean Roman wars anyway which was 7 years. By 73 AD all the people that killed Jesus had been killed by God using the Roman army as punishment for that bad sin just like Jesus said would happen multiple times " all the righteous blood shed on the earth will come upon this generation" etc, and there was no visible sign of the Mosaic covenant / the temple anymore. That was the end of OT Israel never to return ever again.


Exodus 29:38-39 is reference for the daily sacrifice. They had been doing it since Moses 1400 AD, and without that there was no forgiveness of sins for one day so it was a big deal when it stopped which it did in the Babylonian, and Maccabean period also.

Josephus

The Wars of the Jews, 2.408​

. And at this time it was that some of those that principally excited the people to go to war, made an assault upon a certain fortress called Masada. They took it by treachery, and slew the Romans that were there, and put others of their own party to keep it. At the same time Eleazar, the son of Ananias the high-priest, a very bold youth, who was at that time governor of the temple, persuaded those that officiated in the divine service to receive no gift or sacrifice for any foreigner. And this was the true beginning of our war with the Romans; for they rejected the sacrifice of Cæsar on this account: and when many of the high-priests and principal men besought them not to omit the sacrifice, which it was customary for them to offer for their princes, they would not be prevailed upon. These relied much upon their multitude, for the most flourishing part of the innovators assisted them; but they had the chief regard to Eleazar, the governor of the temple.

The Wars of the Jews, 6.93​

931. And now Titus gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up; 94while he himself had Josephus brought to him (for he had been informed that on that very day, which was the seventeenth day of Panemus, [Tamuz,] the sacrifice called “the Daily Sacrifice” had failed, and had not been offered to God, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it)

After 70 AD if someone believed in Jesus then they are a Jew Israel of God Abrahams seed circumcized heir to Abrahams blessing. Romans 2 28 29, Galatians 6 16, 3 29, Romans 9 8, and other verses. So that is Christians. Or there was people saying they are Jews but lying they are the synagogue of satan. No other religions emerged after 70 AD. Either in covenant with the God of Abraham via belief in Jesus or nothing. 30-70 AD was the transition period from old to new but post 70 AD it was the end. The synagogue of satan could of looked at those prophecies in Dan 9 just after 70 AD, realised it ended with 70 AD realised the messiah had to come 483 years (even just using solar years, and not 360 day years) after that decree in Nehemiah 2 or Ezra 7 or any of the other two decrees, and realised it put an upper limit of the time frame by which the messiah had to come by, and therefore according to God they are without excuse for denying Jesus Christ as son of God savior. Christians should not be unequally yoked with their religion today, and the beast country in Revelation 13 that calls itself Israel but lies, and the mark of the beast is the hexagram.

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Because we are seeing rhe Islamists in action actually doing it. Christian nationalists are few and far between. And fewer still those called for the death of gays.

Whereas there are millions of Islamists who want to and have ruled in many countries. And they are flooding other western countries now doing the same.

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Sam Harris (an atheist influencer) said it best regarding the myth of equivalency.

"No world leader lays awake at night worrying about the Amish"

He's also said that the secular world's insistence on keeping up a perception of "even-handedness" is an Achilles heel.


Do I have problems with some of the things fundamentalist Christians want? Yes
Do I see major flaws within Hinduism and Sikhism and the way the caste system is used? Yeah
Do I have some serious issues with Hasidism and the way it prescribes geopolitical influence as a tool to make everyone else "Goy" that are meant to merely be "tools" to further their own "walk with God"? Obviously

But the Islamic world is something very different, and is head and shoulders above the others in terms of propensity for force and violence.

It's the reason why the proclaimed "4 horsemen of reason" (Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, Hitchens) -- all borderline militant atheists and devout secularists, were especially critical of Islam over all of the other religions when it came to the topic of theocracy.

BobRyan said:

Using strict rules, identify the largest Trinitarian Christian denominations that (1) claim Scripture is sufficient to test all doctrine, (2) possess a single global administrative authority, (3) maintain one unified set of binding official doctrines for all members, and (4) contain no doctrtinally autonomous subgroups within their membership

Resulted in this just now

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AI said

The largest Trinitarian Christian denomination that meets all four of the specified strict criteria (as refined in the previous interaction regarding doctrinal autonomy) is the
Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church.

Here is how the SDA Church meets each of the refined strict rules:

• 1. Claim Scripture is sufficient to test all doctrine: The SDA Church officially states that the Bible is the supreme standard and the sole foundation of its beliefs.
• 2. Possess a single global administrative authority: The Church operates under a hierarchical structure with the General Conference serving as the highest global administrative authority, ensuring worldwide coordination and governance.
• 3. Maintain one unified set of binding official doctrines for all members: The 28 Fundamental Beliefs constitute a globally binding set of official doctrines for all members, approved by the General Conference in session.
• 4. Contain no doctrinally autonomous subgroups within their membership: The denomination's policies ensure doctrinal unity; rejecting the fundamental beliefs is grounds for disfellowship, meaning any groups with differing doctrines are outside the official membership of the denomination.

While other large global denominations exist (such as the Roman Catholic Church), they fail at least one of these criteria, primarily the first (regarding the sufficiency of Scripture alone) or the fourth (due to varying internal practices or historical schisms not related to formal disfellowship rules).

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It's still biased. You might not be getting Catholic Church, but I have twice. Which means, whatever answers you're getting isn't proof of anything.

prodromos said:

God's place to judge

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"For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father." (in John 5:22-23)

Included in how Jesus judges could be what He says in Luke 9:55-56 > after James and John asked Him if He wanted them to call down fire upon people who had rejected Jesus >

"But He turned and rebuked them, and said, 'You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them.'" (in Luke 9:55-56)

And our Apostle Paul says what to do "first of all" >

"Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men," (1 Timothy 2:1)

I am fatigued by politics. I try to ignore them but they are ubiquitous and touch my life daily.

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I was not even expecting LCMS, WELS and ELS.

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Color me shocked.

IN any case I don't mind multiple AI platforms returning consistent results for the same query.

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Indeed, but you’re not getting consistent results on a single platform - chatGPT (which you did indicate in your initial post you were using). I’ve executed exactly the prompt you told me to, and as you can see, your denomination is absent. And since the results diverged, that rather conclusively proves my point.

What is more, insofar as you admitted you were modifying your questions to try to get consistent results on different platforms, that by itself demonstrates my point: AI is an unqualified authority. The fact that minor changes in wording produce different results for different users demonstrates the fallacy of appealing to AI as an authority, and its uselessness in answering questions involving statistics based on disputed terms (consider: there are divergent sets of statistics, the meaning of denomination and administration is disputed, the meaning of Sola Scriptura is disputed - chatGPT 5.1 specifically excluded the SDA from its results when I ran it on the basis of it deeming, in the moment, your church as not Sola Scriptura) should be a massive red flag.

By the way, this is not a technological limitation - your question is itself not capable of being rationally answered in a consistent manner, in that the terms it uses have disputed meanings (denomination, Trinitarianism, administration, Sola Scriptura). Without precise definitions of each term, even with perfectly reliable LLMs your question could not produce reliable results; rather, whatever random variables and the training data of the model favored as the definition would shape the output. If you do precisely define the terms, furthermore, you will simply move the debate to the question of whether those definitions are correct, which would be another can of worms, indeed a forty gallon drum of worms.

So, given all this, do you still intend to regard AI as a qualified authority or will you accept that appeals to LLMs are appeals to unqualified authority, at least outside of certain narrow problem domains (which I defined clearly, basically, LLMs are reliable only at solving pattern recognition problems uncontroversial parameters).

Awake my soul & siiiiiiiing of him who died for theeeeeeeee

Remember when people apologized for incivility?

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Trump hates 60 Minutes, but he just had to tune in to see his jilted ex-whatever on the show.

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Say… I think I’m starting to get the appeal with this guy.

What other prominent right wingers can we get him to go after like this?

There are textual variants in the numbers in Genesis 5, and 11. MT gives 4000 BC LXX gives 5500 BC. Gospel of Nicodemus which internally is written pre 70 AD in the preface, and in the main body of the text has a prophecy of 70 AD related phenomena which means it is inspired apocrypha for the wise only makes it clear the original numbers are 5500 BC. It quotes a prophecy from Michael the angel to Seth, Adams son about God about sending the word (John 1) in 5500 years to save Adam, and anoint him with the oil from the tree of life which Adam wanted to do himself but God did not let him ( in Genesis God puts the angel to stop them getting back into the garden or to the tree of life). Gospel of Nic is quoting the life of Adam, and Eve, as some manuscripts of that say it was written by Moses (there is no internal date of authorship or claim to authorship of that text) so I believe it was, and is inspired. Gospel of Nic says the Israelites first century pre 70 AD understood the messiah would come 5500 years from creation based on the dimensions of the ark of the covenant being 2.5 by 1.5 by 1.5 (Exodus 25:10) which adds up to 5.5 (thousand years), and those numbers in Exodus are the same in all hand written manuscripts of the OT- MT, LXX, SP, DSS, Peshitta so one can have confidence it is correct. In Gospel of Nic Jesus descends into "hell" (there is no fire in the section he is in), and Adam, and other OT people have been waiting in the shadow of death for him there for a long time, then he takes them to paradise. The normal NT hints at some interesting things happening in the 3 days Jesus was dead

1 Peter 4:6 (ESV)​

“For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead,
that though judged in the flesh the way people are,
they might live in the spirit the way God does.”

1 Peter 3:18–20 (ESV)​

“Christ… being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,
because they formerly did not obey,
when God's patience waited in the days of Noah…”

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Gospel of Nic does not have Jesus preaching to people just saving the righteous OT people waiting for him. Gospel of Nic is at the start has letter to Tiberius from Pilate, and then the second section is Jesus descent into hell. Gospel of Nic also references 2 Esdras ( internal date 557-457 BC) about a 70 book bible the first book of which was the life of Adam, and Eve. 2 Esdras explains the Babylonians destroyed the bible so Ezra had to re write it, and he wrote 94 books 24 for the common people, and 70 for the wise only. This would of been things like 1 Enoch, Jubilees, Test of the 12, Life of Adam, and Eve, Testament of Job, and others. For the NT the inspired hidden (apocrypha) books for the wise only written pre 70 are Gospel of Nic, History of Joseph the Carpenter, Proto James, and some others.

BobRyan said:

First question to AI:

Using strict rules, “Is there any NT text that calls for weekly Sunday worship, or is the only explicit weekly pattern that of Sabbath preaching in Acts 18:4?”​

(AI confirms that there is no command to observe week-day-1 as a day of worshiip/rest etc)

Second Question to AI

Using strict rules, Given that we see not one new testament text saying that Sunday is the Lord’s day and not one text saying that the New Testament church met very Sunday for communion or for worship and not one statement that the term Sabbath is applied to Sunday, how do we get to the point today where the common view is that the new testament says Sunday is the Lord's day, they met every Sunday for gospel preaching and worship. ?​

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Honestly, this whole argument assumes the NT was supposed to give us a new version of Leviticus. It doesn’t. There’s no command for Sunday, yeah—but there’s also no command for Christians to keep the Sabbath as a covenant sign either. The NT just doesn’t legislate worship-day rules at all.

Acts 18:4 isn’t Christians “keeping Sabbath”—it’s Paul preaching to Jews in a synagogue. If we turn Acts’ descriptions into commands, then we also need to meet daily, sell everything, and preach till midnight.

“Lord’s Day” isn’t defined in the NT, but the earliest Christians (1st/2nd century) consistently used it for Sunday, not Saturday. That’s long before Rome had institutional power, so the “Catholic Church invented Sunday” narrative isn’t historically accurate.

Bottom line: the NT emphasizes freedom of days (Rom 14:5) and the passing of Sinai’s covenant markers (Col 2:16–17). It tells Christians to gather, not which day they must gather.

So pointing out “there’s no Sunday command” doesn’t prove Sabbath is binding, it just proves the NT isn’t a rulebook for weekly holy days.

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Judge to address how he'll proceed with contempt inquiry into AEA deportations​

U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, in a hearing Wednesday, is set to address how he will proceed with the early stages of contempt proceedings into whether Trump administration officials violated a court order by deporting hundreds of men to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act in March.

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Judge orders top DOJ attorney to testify about Alien Enemies Act deportations​

U.S. District Judge James Boasberg ordered Drew Ensign -- Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Immigration Litigation of the Civil Division -- to testify during a hearing on Dec. 16.

He also ordered testimony on Dec. 15 from Erez Reuveni, a former DOJ attorney who alleged the Trump administration evaded court orders.

He wrote that DHS Secretary Kristi Noem's brief sworn declaration recently submitted in the case did "not provide enough information for the Court to determine whether her decision was a willful violation of the Court's Order."