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SecDef Hegseth Drafting 600 Military Judges to Clear Backlog of Immigration Cases.

That's "or 10 years immigration law experience". This is no different than requiring a traffic court judge to have "10 years of traffic law experience" before being hired. This part is not about service in appointed government positions, just any legal experience of 10 years in the area of immigration law. That could be a DOJ staffer who has worked prosecuting deportation cases for 10 years or an immigration lawyer working for defendants for the last 10 years.

The Trump appointed military immigration judges now have current experience in dealing with immigration law. In a related Democrat proposal. Democrat Raja Krishnamoorthi re-introduced a bill to DOUBLE the cap on H-1B visas. Given that Democrats are in the minority party, I suggest some of these Democrats work with Republicans to come up with bipartisan legislation.
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Victory for women inmates as judge bans men from female-only spaces at Texas prison

A federal judge has sided with two female inmates who sued a Texas prison that put them in physical danger by forcing them to be housed with male prisoners who identify as women.

In an order published Nov. 17, United States District Judge Sidney Fitzwater of the Northern District of Texas Fort Worth Division ruled that Federal Medical Center Carswell, a women’s prison in Fort Worth, cannot house trans-identified male inmates in women's housing units or allow them to enter women's showers, restrooms, changing areas and dormitory spaces.

Fitzwater, who was appointed to the bench by former President Ronald Reagan, directed FMC Carswell to either “reassign male inmates away from plaintiffs’ housing and privacy areas” or “house such inmates in a secure, segregated area at FMC Carswell (including the Hospital Unit or a comparable setting) that preserves access to programming and services while preventing access to female-only privacy areas.”

The ruling comes in response to a lawsuit filed by inmates Rhonda Fleming and Miriam Crystal Herrera on Nov. 4.

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What is your Motivation to Discuss/Debate Things Online?

Unmotivated due to incessant pop-ups!
Yes, the pop-ups on this forum are out of control and interfere with constructive and thoughtful discussions. I raised this concern in a ticket and the response I got tells me a lot about how much the people in charge care about it. I was basically told that the pop-ups we're their fault; they come from the owner. So things are designed such that suggestions and complaints are routed to people who can't do anything about them.
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The Bread which Came Down from Heaven

“Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, ‘How can this man give us His flesh to eat?’ So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.’” (John 6:52-58 NASB1995)

Now, this is a passage of Scripture which can be somewhat confusing or disturbing if we don’t understand the message behind it. In this case, I believe, Jesus was speaking more metaphorically or figuratively, much like he did in all his parables, and in order to illustrate a biblical truth. For there is no record in the Scriptures of anyone literally eating of Jesus’ flesh or drinking of his blood, and yet there were people who believed in Christ and who had salvation from sin and eternal life with God promised them.

So, what can we make of this? What did Jesus’ body and blood represent? They represented his body given for us on that cross in the shedding of his blood in order that he might put our sins to death with him, so that by God-persuaded faith in him we might die to sin and live to righteousness in walks of obedience to our Lord and to his commands. So, to eat isn’t just about consuming physical food, but taking in (accepting) spiritual nourishment resulting in a trusting relationship with Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord.

Since his flesh and blood were given for us on that cross, to eat his flesh and to drink his blood means to accept into our lives what he did for us in putting our sins to death with him so that we can now walk in freedom from bondage to sin. And it means that we partake of what he did for us by us now following our Lord in death to sin and in walks of obedience to his commands, living holy lives, pleasing to God. We participate with him in his death when we die to sin and now live to God and to his righteousness.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

And then we need to take Jesus’ message to heart, for he meant what he said. If we do not partake of his death and resurrection, in us being crucified with Christ in death to sin, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but as servants of righteousness, in obedience to our Lord’s commands, then we have no life in us, i.e. the life of the Spirit of God. We are not born of the Spirit, we are not of genuine faith in Jesus Christ, and we will not have eternal life with God in heaven.

But if we do partake in his death and resurrection, and we do die to sin, and now we live for God to do what pleases him, then we are promised eternal life with God. And we are those who abide in him, and him in us. And that means that we obey him, we follow Jesus wherever he leads us, and we conform our lives, by the Spirit, to his will and purpose for our lives. We uphold his teachings, not just in word, but in deed, and we live the lives God designed for us to live, by his grace, in his power, by the Spirit within us.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Abide in Him

Based off Ps. 27:14; Is. 40:31; Jn. 14-15
An Original Work / July 31, 2013
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


If you wait for the Lord, put your hope now in Him,
He will give you His strength and endurance within.
He will renew your strength, so you will not lose heart.
You will soar on wings like eagles, never depart.

“If you abide in Me, and My words live in you,
You will walk with Me daily and follow what’s true.
I will live now in you; give you peace now within,
If you obey My teachings and turn from your sin.”

“If you listen to Me, and do all that I say,
I will give you My comfort; be with you always.
I will heal all your pain; life with Me now you’ll gain,
If in fellowship with Me you always remain.”

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The Bread which Came Down from Heaven
An Original Work / December 3, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

In other words according your belief-
Not just my belief but that of mainstream Christianity. That’s the reason why this topic is relegated to controversial theology on this site.
"some to eternal life but the wicked to eternal life in hell"
Yep. That’s what scripture teach.
Even though not one verse when talking about eternal life contrasts it with eternal life in hell. It's always contrasted with perishing or death.
Really? Shall we start with the obvious one?

Matt. 25:46
“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭46‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

And yes, aionios does mean eternal and no, nothing about death in this verse.

Please don’t use the old, tired argument that death is eternal punishment.
Christ states -Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
Yep. And?
Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Yep. And?
Revelation 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

Revelation 21:7 "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."


Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
Yep. And yet, the wicked are still alive in Rev. 22:15 so your definition of death does not work.

Here is the actual definition.

Strong’s Definitions
θάνατος thánatos, than'-at-os; from G2348; (properly, an adjective used as a noun) death (literally or figuratively):—X deadly, (be…) death.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 119x
The KJV translates Strong's G2288 in the following manner: death (117x), deadly (2x).
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. the death of the body
    1. that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul and the body by which the life on earth is ended
    2. with the implied idea of future misery in hell
      1. the power of death
    3. since the nether world, the abode of the dead, was conceived as being very dark, it is equivalent to the region of thickest darkness i.e. figuratively, a region enveloped in the darkness of ignorance and sin
  2. metaph., the loss of that life which alone is worthy of the name,
    1. the misery of the soul arising from sin, which begins on earth but lasts and increases after the death of the body in hell
  3. the miserable state of the wicked dead in hell
  4. in the widest sense, death comprising all the miseries arising from sin, as well physical death as the loss of a life consecrated to God and blessed in him on earth, to be followed by wretchedness in hell

The problem is assigning only the definition that seems to help your doctrine but all you are doing is ignoring linguistic context so error usually follows.

Well, a deeper study on which manuscripts to believe in is sometimes in order. There are discussions on which Greek word is the correct one in this case.
I like the KJV just for the fact that every word at least can be translated back. Sure there's some mistakes in the KJV (Easter, etc) but not every translation is perfect. But at least I can take a verse with the word "taken" for example -if I take it back to the Greek we come up with multiple Greek words for just that one word. And with multiple meanings as they are being utilized in certain verses. I don't think the new versions can do that. But correct me if that's the case. But I believe given the context in verse 11 the word ἐντολή entole is correct one.

Revelation 22:11 "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."

Is that not a commandment to us? I believe so.
It could be. I think the “filthy” analogy backs up the “clean robes” but at the end of the day the message is not distorted.
I know we will most likely not change each other's minds at this point...
That’s up to you.
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?


Fog of... something.
From the link:

'Hegseth said he did not see any survivors in the water, saying the vessel “exploded in fire, smoke, you can’t see anything. ... This is called the fog of war.”

The man is an idiot.
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Skillet’s ‘O Come, O Come Emmanuel’ Hits No. 1 on 5 Billboard Charts Despite ‘Demonic’ Criticism

I listened to it. Didn’t find it “demonic” at all.
Here, too. I don't particularly enjoy the flashing lights towards the end, but I sure wouldn't call it demonic.

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Lady: Are you the police?
Elwood Blues: No, ma'am, we're musicians ... We're on a mission from God.
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6 Craziest Revelations From Scathing Report on Kash Patel — Including His Refusal to Leave a Plane Until He Was Given a Female Agent’s Jacket

No, you didn't.


You didn't say that, either.


If you thought scribd was the source, you might have said something like, "so the report comes from www.scribd.com rather than a .gov source" or "and the NYP seems to credit it back to SCRIBD" ?

But whatever.
The report comes by way of scribd rather than a .gov source. That doesn't mean scribd is included as a source, it means the actual source can't be pinned down.
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The Church Under Fire Part 1

Everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted (1 Timothy 3:12). We're in the Last days, being victimized in a church or put out of a church for good behaviour is commonplace now. God Bless :)
Just as a point of clarification, it looks like you meant to quote a different section of scripture; 1 Tim 3:12 is dealing with what sort of person a leader in the Church needs to be.

I'm hoping to be helpful here and my main thoughts are about how believers, just as can anyone, can find ourselves drawn toward various topics that can overshadow our beliefs and take more room than is good, and comes from a healthy balance. I'm thinking as an example, of one church member whose worldview became centered on, as he'd put it, the devil. Trying to help him see how he wasn't focusing where we need to focus didn’t get anywhere. He'd talk about how if we weren't careful we'd end up in the devil's back pocket - not seeing that that was exactly where he was placing himself.

Persecution, victimization, and being mistreated isn't where we're told to have our attention. Following that path will not lead to anything good or healthy. Those things can certainly come, but focusing on them can also ruin our joy and our usefulness. They can even lead to a view of ourselves that's too much about us.

We can recognize, and even take pleasure in, not being part of this world. We don't fit with a broken world under the authority of the most evil entity in existence. While recognizing those facts, remaining focused on God and the good things he does is our mandate. That's what we're specifically told to focus on, and that's our message to a hurt and broken world.
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Why Is It So Hard for Christians to Talk About Justice and Greed?

I’ve been reflecting lately on how often Scripture warns us about greed and how closely that warning is tied to God’s call for justice and care for others. Jesus speaks about money and the dangers of wealth more than almost any other topic, yet many Christians today find conversations about justice uncomfortable or “political.”

So I wanted to ask the community here:
Why do you think discussions about justice and greed create such tension among believers?
Is it a matter of theology, culture, politics, or something deeper in the human heart?


I’m preparing a video on this topic and would truly appreciate hearing a range of Christian perspectives!
I see greed and justice as two completely different ends of moral character. Greed being flesh driven and justice being a Godly virtue. I'm not sure why you're using both of these in one sentence as if they are somehow related. Both are quite important however, should they not be treated as such, separate issues? Unless the attempt to make the connection is through judgment like Lazarus and the rich man?
Just my thoughts.
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What are you currently watching?

Believing is only the root, it must grow into trust and trust must grow into knowing.

Here a dose of wisdom from the Freeman files, that he has given the title, "Wall street Idols."

Based on the words of the Rebbe, "Ancient man looked up to the stars, modern man down to the headlines,

Both are fools."

They were wise, but they were fools----they abandoned the Master for the servant.

For in truth there is only One and all else is but a tool in His hand.

Not theology but reality.
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Zions New Children

To think Isaiah wrote about past events in Chapter 49, or any other scripture is wrong. He was a Prophet not a historian.
Too simplistic. There's a LOT Isaiah was writing about.

Questions to ask when reading OT prophets​

  1. Who was the prophet speaking to and about? The unimaginably far future in the end times - or his own generation? What is the context, and how do you know?
  2. What is the issue of the day? EG: Eg: Many prophets warned that OTHER, OLDER prophecies were coming true in THEIR generation!
  3. Are they encouraging their generation? Rebuking them? Or a bit of both?
  4. See Deuteronomy 4, Israel’s ‘pep talk’ just before Israel is about to embark on colonising Canaan. In Deut 4:27, God warns that if they turn to idolatry, he will “scatter you among the peoples, and only a few of you will survive among the nations to which the Lord will drive you.” That is a horrible thing to say in what is meant to be their “pep talk!”
  5. But there’s hope even then. Note that Israel’s fall into exile, and then hopeful repentance, is all so unimaginably distant in the future from THEIR PERSPECTIVE that Deut 4:30 refers to it as “then in later days…”
  6. Sadly, as the centuries pass, we see the predictable arrogance of Israel as they dismiss these warnings. So we enter the age of the Judges calling them to repent, then the Kings, and then Israel’s wickedness ripens to the point where God must harvest them. We see the rise of the prophets in opposition to ungodly kings, and their message of judgement crashing into Israel’s hedonistic, presumptuous culture.
  7. But even in the midst of this dire warning of judgement, there is hope! The prophets are reminding Israel of Deuteronomy 30:4-5! “ Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. 5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors.“
  8. As we read these prophecies, are there an existing body of symbols and metaphors that prophet is drawing on?
  9. When is the prophet speaking? How long was their ministry? Were they writing Just before the Assyrians attacked the northern Kingdom of Israel?
  10. Or just before or during the Babylonians attacked the southern kingdom of Judah - and Jerusalem and the temple itself!?
  11. Otherwise, we risk ripping the passage out of context and slapping it down over modern concerns to prove our OWN AGENDA!

Unless we ask these basic questions first - we are not practicing good reading - let alone good Bible study or scholarship.
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Young Men, the Wild Places Are for You

I can vouch for this as I've experienced this in my life, though not as much as I would have liked. There's something about being in the wild, especially for men, that makes us feel like we were born to be out there, where a man can breathe.
Works for old men, too.:)
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Society’s New ‘Sins’: Smoking and Having Too Many Kids

Anecdote: my family consists of 5 sons. My mom has 9 siblings (1 deceased) and dad has 10 siblings (4 siblings) all grandparents are deceased.

On both sides, my parents have the most children.

Once read a comment on YouTube that having 7 children is abusive.

How so? Life itself if a gift.

Some people need to mind their own business.

Be blessed
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