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Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

And sponge off the welfare system for decades while bringing their "war-torn" pirate community and producing more generations of welfare sucking leaches. Now, tell me how Somalian heritage has benefitted the United States? Because you just provided nothing but that they are just another mouth to feed.

In other words, they are "fleeing their war-torn country" to relocate their "war-torn country" to America where they can reap the benifits of a welfare state and send it back to said "war-torn country" so their families can come and bring more of their "war-torn country" back to America while they replicate said "war-torn country." This cycle continues. So please try again.

No, I won't humor your narrow and uninformed views any further. Go live your life blaming others.
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Although I don't believe this apparently scientists believe life formed on its own

however they want undeniable proof and facts. How do we give them that?
That's a good question. You don't even need to provide undeniable proof, but for a scientific discussion, you will need to provide some evidence as a starting point.
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OU Student given a zero for citing the bible in essay

The 'essay' itself is floating around and it really does bear no resemblance to a piece of academic writing, even a poor one.
Im almost afraid to read it. My faith in undergrad writing has already been shaken by certain experiences.

(I wonder if this deficiency has infected the advanced degree population by now?)
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

Nice accusation without bothering to show the weakness of my argument. Obama's drone strikes get brought up by a lot of people because it's a perfect example of certain people not complaining about drone strikes then as opposed to now. Just like they didn't complain about Obama's condemning speeches towards illegal immigrants.
OK, then why don't you go find some people who approved of Obama's drone strikes and argue with them?
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Does Open Carry Cause Problems?

What makes people less safe about people CARRYING a gun? I can carry a gun and police officer can carry a gun the vast majority of the time if you are not causing any problems or being a threat you will not have to worry about it and if it is concealed you will not even know unless you know. For example I know some cousins and at least one other person that I know or am pretty sure they carry a gun I know my late aunt carried (her death was to natural causes. I have another aunt I am pretty sure carries or at least has a CCW ( she does not need in GA) I know a long time friend to carry all parties ( except for my cousin in law enforcement did/do so concealed and guess what I would trust ANY of them with my life

In fact, the late aunt and now one of her daughters ( who also carries is/was known to say choose grace over violence yet both carry/carried a gun my late aunt certainly would not start violence, but you can bet that if she felt her/our lives were being threatened she would shoot the person or people that were the threat lawful gun owners are for the most part not a threat unless you are.

I say for the most part because there ARE times when people either do not know/agree with the law ( not an excuse) or either something happens that they become mentally unstable.
You trust those you know well to safely handle their firearm, but do you extend that same trust to just anyone who can legally open carry?
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Trump Fires Acting Chair & General Counsel of NLRB

It is good simply because it is legal?
You don't consider following the law good?
What, in your own words, is good about firing these people?
Did I comment on them personally, or the fact that we have a President following the law? (my own words).
Secondly, if this ruling holds, this means all future presidents will also have this power to politicize 'independent' agencies.
What makes you think it is not already politicized?

If the Supreme Court rules that the president has the power to do something - then the president has the power. Not according to political party, but according to the law..
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Biblical Exegesis explanation and discussion

The issue is you're taking quotes out of context, so no amount of individual quotes can establish what you're attempting, especially since none of them claim that Scripture exhausts revelation or is wholly sufficient If they thought as much they wouldn't have written at all and would have simply sent Scripture quotes.
Show me how I am taking quotes out of context. Present evidence to that effect.
Not quite, the councils came about because there were people using the Scriptures to push heretical positions and so the ECFs decided they needed an official statement for what puts one on the outside of orthodoxy. If they thought Scripture was sufficient there would have been no need for a council.
But councils used the scriptures as the litmus test to evaluate and interpret doctrines that were heretical. Their responsibility was one of interpretation of scripture.
The issue is your interpretation of Scripture treats church tradition as a separate authority, rather than recognizing the Scripture exists within the tradition even though it is the normative element of that tradition.
I believe that tradition is dependent on scripture not at equal footing to scripture. Even if we take just the inspiration quality of scripture tradition does not raise to the same level.
None of that is contrary to what I've been saying
It is. You deny the sui generis of scripture but this quote refutes that. Particularly in this portion: “these alone is proclaimed the doctrine of godliness. Let no man add to these, neither let him take ought from these.” Traditions change while scriptures do not.
We haven't progressed to the evidence phase because you've jumped on various threads and provided no response to my primary contention which is about theopneustos in 2 Tim 3:16
“All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

It just means of Devine origin. God breathed (actual definition of theopneustos) out through human authors who used their own personalities and writing styles but were supernaturally guided by the Holy Spirit to convey His message accurately, making it authoritative for teaching and guidance. It's God's direct speech through people, not just a human idea or construct like tradition, ensuring the text's divine source and truth.

How can your definition be any different? And if it was then why did you not post it but demanded that I post it first? I smell you playing games but correct me if am wrong.
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In act of transparency, K$H Patel fires FBI leader after it becomes known Patel used FBI jet to see his girlfriend perform

Kash Patel ordered FBI detail to give girlfriend’s pal a lift home: sources

Patel’s girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins, asked FBI agents on her security team at least two times, including once this spring, to drive her friend home, and agents objected to diverting from their assignment, said the sources, who were granted anonymity to discuss nonpublic matters. But Patel insisted they do as Wilkins requested and in one case called the leader of Wilkins’ security detail and yelled at him to do so.

FBI spokesperson Ben Williamson broadly disputed that such events took place.

“This is made up and did not happen,” Williamson said.

At Patel’s direction, the FBI provides a separate security detail for Wilkins, 27, a country music performer who lives part time in Nashville for her work. The FBI security detail, first reported by MS NOW, is made up of members of an elite SWAT team based in the area. It has spurred concerns about Patel abusing FBI resources to essentially drive his girlfriend around for various events and appointments. The FBI has never before provided a separate security detail for a director’s girlfriend. Spouses of past directors typically received episodic security protection, but only when they were traveling with their spouse and the director’s detail.
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

I'm just asserting the First Amendment. The conversation was settled 200+ years ago.
But maybe we can have a different conversation. Maybe you can join us and try strengthening the First Amendment rather than chipping away at it.

If you don't want government funded 'madrassas', then you have to eliminate government funding for private religious schools. If you don't want the Five Pillars of Islam on the wall, you have to take down the 10 Commandments.
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What is the true congregation?

Indeed, many people incorrectly suppose the Romanian Orthodox, Bulgarian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Cypriot Orthodox, Antiochian Orthodox, et cetera, have different beliefs. They don’t.
They do it to everyone else as well,

"Critics point out that the high numbers often come from counting every national branch of a global communion as if it were a separate denomination. For example, instead of treating the Catholic Church as a single worldwide body, some tallies list it multiple times—once for each country—so that it appears as hundreds of separate denominations rather than one unified church."How Many Denominations of Christianity Are There? — Anthony Delgado
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AI tells me not to forgive some, is this true?

I do take advice from AI, but I learned to not treat AI like it is perfect in its answers.

I asked AI about forgiveness, it said it's a good thing, but not good to forgive those who are not remorseful, and who are still malicious.

I would find it hard to forgive those people, and very hard to forgive someone who took pleasure in hurting me.

What does the Bible say, am I supposed to really forgive a murderer that killed my mom and dad if it happened? It did not happen just as an example, what if the murderer doesn't take any accountability has no remorse, and the murderer took pleasure in his crimes. Am I still supposed to forgive?
AI is pretty dumb at times and its answers should be challenged. I would have asked it "but isn't holding a grudge destructively unhealthy?". You shouldn't take its answers at face value unless you already know them to be correct. It still has a lot of learning and developing to do. AI itself will tell you as much.
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Trump pardons Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, all fake electors for their attempt to overturn 2020 election, pardon official says

Forget the autopen, now we have unelected bureaucrats determining who the president did and didn't pardon.

DOJ claims it has the power to decide who gets Trump’s sweeping 2020 pardon

The Justice Department is deciding who's covered by extremely vague pardons.

The pardon’s language is so vague and limitless that it could apply to thousands of people. And now Trump’s Justice Department says it’s up to Attorney General Pam Bondi and Pardon Attorney Ed Martin to decide who, and which possible crimes, Trump actually meant to cover.

There’s no modern precedent — and maybe no historical precedent, either — for a president to delegate his pardon power to subordinates on a pardon this vaguely worded.

Even past examples of blanket pardons, such as Andrew Johnson’s sweeping clemency after the Civil War, Jimmy Carter’s pardon for Vietnam-era draft dodgers and Joe Biden’s pardon for marijuana offenses relied on more explicit criteria.

The most comparable pardon, experts say, is Trump’s Inauguration Day pardon for the perpetrators of the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol — a pardon so vague that it spawned legal battles across the country about whether Jan. 6 defendants could apply it to crimes that had nothing to do with the riot.

Trump’s latest blanket pardon applies to “all United States citizens for conduct relating to the advice, creation, organization, execution, submission, support, voting, activities, participation in, or advocacy for or of any slate or proposed slate of Presidential electors … in connection with the 2020 Presidential election.” And while Trump identifies 77 recipients, he emphasizes that the pardon is not limited to the initial list. Trump then charges Bondi and Martin to issue pardon certificates to “eligible applicants.”

Pardon experts say this unusual delegation of pardon power is exacerbated by the vague language of the pardon itself, essentially leaving decisions about who’s covered to the judgment of Trump’s subordinates.

Oh, it'll be interesting to see this go to the current SCOTUS, who loves letting federal agencies exercise their own discretion. /s
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

There you go then. All this jumping the gun stuff is typical of those who hate Trump and his admin. Lets just let all the facts come out.

What I find telling is that Trump haters are quite willing to crucify him and his admin at the drop of a hat making all sorts of crazy claims. Its their MO and its happened time and time again. They did it to Kirk and others. Attacked Musk and his business just because he was associated with Trump. Then they did it to Hegseth.

I don;t trust one word the legacy media and Trump haters say.
Why do you care so much if we like Trump? I don’t see what liking him has to do with holding this administration accountable to their actions. Do you believe Trump fans weren’t doing the same for Biden, Harris, Obama, Clinton?
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What are we doing here?

What I read in the scriptures is that the number who will be saved is few. I read that Jesus said Christians are taught by GOD through Jesus the mediator. I read that Jesus had a GOD and it was his FATHER. I read that human beings are totally mortal and must put thrift of immortality on. I see that men cannot properly interpret scripture because only the Holy Spirit of the FATHER does that. I see there was to be a great deception. I look at this world with 2.2 billion people all claiming to be Christians and I do not believe that. Many think we chose GOD and Christ but scripture says they choose us. There is something very wrong in what is called Christianity.

Jesus Christ is God, the incarnate Logos, by whom all things were made, according to John 1:1, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit - three coeternal, coequal persons, ever one God, the holy, indivisible and life giving Trinity (Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5:7-9, etc).
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Denaturalization

I think immigrants should be asked, "If war broke out between the United States and your home country, which side would you support?" It the answer isn't immediately "The United States," they should leave.
Hey, that would get rid of all the people who aren't spontaneous conversationalists too. We all know what trouble they are.
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Trump Admin Removes MLK Day, Juneteenth From National Parks Fee-Free Days (but adds Trump's Birthday!)

The Department of the Interior (DOI) recently announced its "resident-only patriotic fee-free days" for 2026, and missing from the list were MLK Day, which has been a National Park fee-free day since 2018, and Juneteenth, which was introduced as a fee-free day in 2024.

In place of these days commemorating American history, civil rights and equality, the Trump administration has instead opted to celebrate additional former presidents' birthdays and Flag Day, which is also President Donald Trump's birthday.

The removal of these days as fee-free National Park days follows the Trump administration's pause on certain days of remembrance, including MLK Day and Juneteenth, earlier this year, as part of the president's ban on diversity, equity, and inclusion programs.

For next year, the days chosen seem to fall in line with the Trump administration's "America-first" policies.

The department also announced the launch of new digital "America the Beautiful" passes, which will allow Americans to buy and use their passes on mobile devices ... The new passes also feature Trump's face, according to People

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