jonojim1337 said:

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And once again: absolutely nothing to do with the claim that ringing stone in the Cairngorms is a monument site.

rambot said:

Yeah. You've never been worried about immigrants coming to the US before.

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Thank you for the victory confirmation.

"When they can't challenge the message, they attack the messenger"

CLEEB said:

You have taken this verse completely out of context. Acts 19:5 and 1 Corinthians 114-16 Paul did baptize people, not in his name, but in the name of Christ, who commanded that his followers be baptized, Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 1 Peter 3:21 Acts 16:33 Romans 6:3-4 Galatians 3:27 Colossians 2:12 1 Corinthians 12:13 You will not find any scripture that says baptism is no longer required but just the opposite.

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And I will begin with Eph 4:5

# 1 ONE LORD

# 2 ONE FAITH

# 3 One BAPTISM

# ONE // is the Greek WORD HEIS

# A //. THERE IS BAPTO

# B. //. THERE IS BAPTISM

# C. //. THERE IS BAPTISMA

# D // THERE. IS. SPRINKING

# E. //. THERE IS BAPTISTES

# F //. AND. what about the BAPTISM for. the DEAD IN. 1. Cor 15:29

Which. is the ONE BAPTISM of Eph 4:5.

And the Greek BAPTISM // BAPTISMA is mentioned 22 times from. MATT through. 1 Peer 3:21

What say you. ??

dan p

ChubbyCherub said:

Thanks all.

I think I misread this whole thread as the bible wasn't a trustworthy source for basically anything and I wanted to know a) why this was the case b) to what everyone was referring to if this is the case c) how this could help me and my family on our journey towards God d) how anyone could believe in God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit from a text that no one believes...........

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To reject the idea of inerrancy is not to say that the Bible cannot be believed at all.

Prayer can be a way to believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that is how I ended up knowing the Bible was true. Jesus is alive and He will hear you.

Valletta said:

I hope that instead of trying to undermine the President of the United States in brokering a successful peace agreement that Americans can get together to support peace.

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When has Trump EVER brokered a peace? Every time he has proclaimed it so it has not been so.

And you still think satteltes orbit space ?

The Elite knows all about this.




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Yarddog said:

Well, Trump and Republicans embraced Socialism long before that, with corporate welfare.

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They took control of those corporations at that time? I was not aware of that. Socialism is the control of the means of production and commerce by the state.

biblelesson said:

Paul was speaking to married women, not unmarried women. Also, a woman’s position in comparison to her husband’s is based on God’s authority, whether we like it or not.

It is based on God’s authority and hierarchy. Man was created. That’s important. Man has the authority. Woman came out of God’s creation, so she has less authority in God’s eyes.
1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV
“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

It doesn’t matter if man in his position has failed, God still holds every man accountable. That’s why there are scriptures that offer us warnings - because man would steer away from God’s requirements and it’s the written word that will justify their punishment.

Apostle Paul wrote about how we are to conduct ourselves before God. It’s an individual choice. Some took his teachings to heart, some didn’t. People don’t change God’s requirements - just because we see more men today who are unlearned, we let that go. They have to answer to God.

We are at the time where people will not accept sound doctrine - this was fortold:
2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Micah 7, foretells of a time of wickedness, and this is the time we are living in now.

So, most men are not adhering to sound doctrine to even teach women. We must be wise and recognize this is truth and not want something we can’t get. There are only a few doing right according to the gospel of Christ, the rest are blinded,
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJB
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

During these times, the Holy Spirit operates powerfully in the believer’s life to strengthen him/her to be able to deal with such wickedness. In my experience, the Holy Spirit guided me and showed me ways in which He increases in power in my life, which is a glorious experience.

We cannot depend on man.

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This post was written at a time of emotion when I had been verbally abused by a man and it made me wonder why men had been put in authority when they act like children, are reckless, incapable of leading themselves so could not be trusted to lead others by anyone with average cognitive ability.

I appreciate all men are not like this, but many are, and I cannot and will not indiscriminately agree to uphold men's leadership/authority without question and standards. I also appreciate that some may view this as unbiblical but, as I stated, if Jesus came down and sat in front of me, I'd explain my position with an open heart and I believe He would understand my point of view comes from a pure place rather than a challenge to His authority and word.

ThatRobGuy said:

I was referring more to the NDP (that at one point was carrying 25 seats)

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Ah.

I will say that third parties do tend to work better in parliamentary systems, where the government head (Prime Minister) is chosen by the majority party or a coalition of minority parties rather than being elected by the citizens. Since there's less attachment to a party figurehead, legislators have more room to be themselves. The NDP also has significant presence at the provincial government level, unlike any of the US third parties, so they have that baseline name recognition on their side.

sovereigngrace said:

Why not be honest? You have no answer to the truth.

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Any believer in the 'rapture to heaven', must keep the Jews as God's special people. If they admit, or allow otherwise; that the House of Judah, now represented as the Jewish State of Israel, won't be redeemed, then their entire end times paradigm falls apart.
They falsely believe they will be in heaven, while the Jews go thru Tribulation.

Not only is there no Bible verse for a Jewish redemption, there are many verses telling of their virtual demise.
There are also verses which prove the Christians will be present on earth, right until Jesus Returns, then with Him in the Millennium.

But dispensational rapture believers, are locked into their delusion and are unable to comprehend the truth.
They have chosen their own destiny and when it fails to happen, it will make the Test of Faith so much harder for them. 1 Peter 4:12

I don't see the Pope offering to take all of them into the Vatican.

Paulos23 said:

Yup, I am sure the organization that is planning this is going to make money on the shirts they want everyone to wear.

This is a fleecing of the flock.

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Yep just the thought of it is triggering.

Reluctant Theologian said:

Matthew 16:24-25:

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.​

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So, I think yes .. Btw 'Imitatio Christi' literally means 'imitators of Christ' in Latin .. not suffering. The original book De Imitatione Christi (15th century AD) by Thomas à Kempis primarily focuses on private spiritual life and devotion, not just suffering. It was immensely popular in its day.

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I see this as a call to perseverance in the face of persecution, warning them not to turn away from the faith in fear of the persecution they were about to face. I don’t see this as a call to do penance which appears to be what the OP is referring to if I’m not mistaken.

The best Bible translation is the one you'll read and be able to understand most of what you're reading.

DaisyDay said:

Why would telling military folk that they are not required not to follow illegal orders be outrageous?

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It's not outrageous. In fact I imagine they are all told in basic training that they can and should refuse an illegal order.

DaisyDay said:

We have already seen many instances of this administration flouting the law. The orders to strike the fishing boats may yet turn out to have been illegal. Detaining citizens without cause can be illegal. Deporting people against judges' orders is illegal.

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Is there any specific instance of an illegal order? 'May yet turn out to have been' is all fine and dandy but if these congresspeople telling soldiers not to follow orders know of any specific instances I would hope that they specify exactly which 'illegal orders' are not to be followed. If they know of such orders they should impeach the president. (C'mon, they know they want to 'cause they did it twice before.)

When the PA announced in spring this year that it would end its notorious system of financial rewards for attackers and their families, many European governments saw this as a long overdue step. The decision was even a condition for political concessions, such as the British announcement that it would recognise a "Palestinian" state. What was then seen as a new beginning is now under serious suspicion. A Euronews report, based on internal information from the European Commission, suggests that payments are still being made, not through official channels, but through covert channels that are beyond control.

The core of the allegations is explosive: despite the abolition of the so-called martyr fund, families of terrorists are said to have continued to receive financial support. The funds were allegedly distributed via non-transparent structures operating in parallel to the new social support authority. It was precisely this new institution, the "Palestinian" National Economic Empowerment Institution (PNEEI), that was supposed to create transparency, pool funds and enable a clean social welfare system. However, according to information from Brussels, there is a second system that evades scrutiny and enables payments that should no longer officially exist.

A high-ranking representative of the European Commission is said to have confirmed that ‘a payment was recently made to families of prisoners’, based on the old regulations. The wording is unusually clear, as it contradicts the line that the PA has been proclaiming in European capitals for months: that the system has been abolished, that it is guided by international rule of law, and that it wants to regain the trust of its partners.

The EU has always stated that it will not channel any funds into structures that enable support for terrorism. If it is confirmed that payments have once again been channelled indirectly into an environment that privileges attackers and their families, this would cause serious damage, not only to the PA, but also to Europe's credibility.

For years, it has been pointed out that the payments are an incentive for violence and indirectly encourage terrorism against civilian targets. European criticism has been cautious so far, often out of consideration for the fragile situation in Ramallah and fears of political instability. But now the EU itself seems to have reached the point where it is demanding clarity. The suspicion that commitments have been deliberately circumvented weighs heavily, especially as it undermines the basis on which Europe builds its relations with the PA.

Europe must ask itself whether it is prepared to take action when a partner authority breaks promises that are directly linked to the safety of people in Israel.

Say it aint so said:

Let me rephrase that. "Apparently "Empathy" is a far left agenda."

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Again, that could not be further from the truth.

jonojim1337 said:

Number of generations from Abraham to Christ?

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Nope.

whomp, whomp.

Michie said:

Holy Week often begins with a full moon

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Easter is the Sunday falling in the week of the 15th to the 21st of the moon inclusive. So Palm Sunday is the Sunday falling in the week of the 8th to the 14th of the moon inclusive. So Holy Week begins with a full moon only when Palm Sunday is on the 14th and Easter is on the 21st (as in 2025). This will not be the majority of cases.

Truth7t7 said:

The "Merit Hiring Plan" looks great, long overdue!

MAGA Vance/Trump 2028

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Unfortunately, as is so often the case with these things, this is ironically named as the civil service system is merit based. Trump is scrapping that for fealty based. This is corrupt.

The Liturgist said:

I like the elegant solution to this problem presented by the blessed Andrei Rublev in his famous icon The Hospitality of Abraham, also known as The Trinity, and commonly featured on Pentecost Sunday.*

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I was pretty sure someone would post about the icon “The Hospitality of Abraham.”

I’ve long since set aside the idea that this icon represents the Holy Trinity. Abraham was visited by Christ, God’s Son, along with two angels.

God the Father is invisible. No matter how much convincing there is, it won’t change my mind on this.

johansen said:

the prosperity gospel

MSN

I honestly didn't imagine this could or would happen.

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You never saw the documentary on Marjoe, who was a kid evangelist/grifter back in the late 60s/early 70s?

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stevevw said:

I am not sure what you meran by deflect. Deflect into what lol. Into something like the Atlantis myth. Why would I do that and make it even worse for myself lol. You grossly underestimate those who can understand the difference.

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Deflect, as in refuse to look at or deny evidence that the whole cadre of pseudoarcheologists you've been citing are deeply tied to Hancock and his predecessors, personally, or "intellectually". You do it every time it comes up (and you are right now). I see no point in laying out detailed evidence if you are just going to dismiss it.

stevevw said:

But yes I am able to discuss the Atlantis legend if you want and its context to the difference between the science and the legend.

This was based on the fact that the idea of Atlantis as a conspiracy is being used to dismiss everything any person who may be associated with such conspiracies as wrong in everything they say. A sort of coverall to automatically dismiss the person without actually investigating what they said.

It is a fact that you have dismissed everyone and what they actually have said without knowing what they have said on this by the fact you called them all grifters without any evidence.

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They is what they is, and you are deflecting right now.

stevevw said:

The bible made up the Flood myth as a moral tale. But it still had a real event as the basis. This is how it works. Moral tales come from real events percieved as from the gods or mother nature. Thats what gives them legs. Otherwise its just some unbelievable tale with no real substance.

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I don't care.

stevevw said:

Throughout time we see the same theme over and over of a great city or culture or Empire failing or destroyed because of their hubris and pride.

It makes perfect sense that there was such a legend or a number or glocal and local stories floating around that was used in other ways with a similar moral lesson. Which PLato an dothers drew upon. It makes sense that just like the Flood myths are based on real flood events in all cultures. That from those flood myths could come a great city or culture that was destroyed. A moral lesson within a lesson.

Yeah the same theme is elaborated on over and over. But this stems from a real event sometime in the past. Give enough time and the worldwide tsuami we had a decade ago will become something sent by the gods. The story is probably being laid down within the cultures that directly experienced it. In fact if you listen to their accounts many say it was the gods being angry.

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That doesn't make it a good basis for an understanding of history.

stevevw said:

This is a natural inclination of humans.

Yes they are. You started with the idea its all conspiracy suggesting there was alternative or advanced lost knowledge. Full stop.

You labelled it all as conspiracies like Atlantis and aliens and those who are investigating such possibilities are grifters and liars and fools. Without any evidence direct from those you accuse actually promoting such things.

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I have a separate post calling this out, but stop talking about conspiracies. (or claiming I am talking about them.)

If you want a thread about some paranoid conspiracy fantasy involving the archeological establishment conspiring against the Hancock acolytes to keep them down, go start a thread about that in the conspiracy subforum. This sub-forum ain't the place for that stuff.

stevevw said:

Therefore I have been from the start of this thread having to defend these good people from your stereotypical labels and false accusations.

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What "good people"?

stevevw said:

So you are more or less dismissing a good chunk of science in how we can understand the ancients and their culture and knowledge. Your more or less saying we should only understand them from a 21st century worldview and not how they believed and thought.

How can you even come to understand them by know knowing their worldview. Or not understand human cognition and behaviour in this context as a behavioural science. They are not machines and this is I think the missing aspect that material sciences dismiss. The agencies and self determinant aspects that come from culture such as belief and spirituality.

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No they are not machines, they are apes, just like us. The thread has been about the physical evidence for earlier settlements (at first) and the technologies used on certain Egyptian objectss. These are not "worldview" topics, for the ancients or for us. (This also isn't a "worldview" section of CF.) You have not discussed Egyptian culture, you have instead denigrated their stone working skills.

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Not in the way your making out. Its extreme and narrow minded. As much as any conspiracy.

I am able to take what I think makes sense or is supported and leave that which I think is not. You don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water. Often much of what is said is reasonable and something we should question and consider. Its not that controversial.

But because this entire topic can so easily slip into spectulation the two get conflated. Thus throwing out the legitimate. Unfortunately some people give this whole topic a bad name.

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Your principle sources aren't doing anything but speculation.

stevevw said:

You literally just agree that the whole UAP and advance tech related to this thread.

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Neither has anything to do with DNA. I'm not discussing UFOs no matter how much connection the material presented here might be tied to ancient astronauts, nothing is to be gained by discussing particular modern sightings.

And of course "lost advanced tech" is somehow (thanks to you and your sources) the subject of this thread. (Karoly even has it as part of his YT channel name, or is it his podcast.) But "UFOs and DNA" are not.

stevevw said:

And you did not check it out to actually see what it was about. This only shows you tar people by association. You also don't believe peoples own words. So why should anyone then believe yours. Is this not just personal feelings and beliefs.

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I've seen several of their videos, both "unchartedX" and "michael button", to know enough about their "deal".

stevevw said:

Your just proving my point.

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I'm not. It doesn't matter if a "source" is a fool or a liar. If they are transmitting false information, then they are useless and should be dismissed.

stevevw said:

Fair enough

It is when your not providing evidence. Anyone can make accusations. Its easy. You just say the words enough.

Its more the principle that you so easily dismiss people based on heresay and not actually getting to know them or what they actually said. You were dismissing for the beginning of everyone and everything. You had already made your mind up before you walked in the front door lol.

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stevevw said:

Hum thats what you have called everything posted lol. You have constantly tied it back to Hancock and Dunn as representing everything said.

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Nope. Read what I write.