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For those that do not know, every penny starts in Greene County [TN]. Save jobs in Greene County! [ETA: Adios penny!]

Or the government loses hundreds of millions of corporate tax revenue to save tens of millions.
What about all that talk about corporate greed? Now you’re saying it’s a good thing?
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Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!

It will from now onwards always comes back to this elegant Hubble Constant equation:-

Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc


Ho is now "fixed" to local light speed, C by this simple Ho equation worked in the old algebra style of Maxwell:-


2 x oneMpc x C, divided by Pi to the power of 21 = 70.9449 k/s/Mpc



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMPC is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Pi is 3.142..........

To use your own terminology since you are too thick to explain how multiplying by Mpc in the numerator ends up in the denominator for Ho so let's go to the next issue.
The other equation to prevent falsifying the Hubble Horizon light years distance as years only:-

Hubble Constant (Ho) Hubble Horizon Distance light years calculated from Ho of 70.9449 k/s/Mpc.



oneMpc X C, divided by Ho, and then divided by one billion = 13.7758 billion light Years



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMpc is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Ho is 70.9449 k/s/Mpc

one billion is 1,000,000,000 used to give the answer in convenient units of
billions of light years.


Note:- This Hubble Horizon Distance equation prevents falsifying the terminology of
declaring
light years as years only.
Using your formula (Mpc x c) / (Ho x 10⁹) = (c/Ho) x (Mpc)/10⁹
If you had used the correct units to start with c/Ho is the radius of the universe expanding at speed c and you would not have to rely on the fudge factor Mpc/10⁹.
This is the Hubble radius which is the correct definition not Hubble horizon as we can observe beyond this.

If the universe was expanding at speed c the Hubble radius c/Ho and Hubble time 1/Ho would have the same magnitude but clearly not the same units.
Declaring the Hubble radius “prevents falsifying the terminology of declaring light years as years only.” is nonsensical.

Here is the some information on the universe.

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The "Hubble Tension Issue"

Note:- In the "Dynamic Aether Framework" of the Ho calculating equation in which Ho is "fixed" numerically to C,
the "Hubble Tension issue" is caused by the "DISTANT LOCAL VALUE" of C in the observed space regions being
directly affected by the presence of huge galaxies, black holes. or void areas, RELATIVE to the observer.


Back to the word salad again, the Hubble tension is the difference in measuring Hₒ for an object in the universe’s early history the CMB with that of galaxies formed in far more recent times.
Since the error bars do not overlap this is the source of the tension.

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The Sin unto Death

This subject is interesting. Have you considered 1:Cor6:9-11?

9 Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, 10 Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.
11 And such some of you were; but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Spirit of our God

And Hebrews 10

26 For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries. 28 A man making void the law of Moses, dieth without any mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 How much more, do you think he deserveth worse punishments, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath esteemed the blood of the testament unclean, by which he was sanctified, and hath offered an affront to the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said: Vengeance belongeth to me, and I will repay. And again: The Lord shall judge his people.



Do you think that those who are in Christ should be able to stop doing the sins mentioned in 1 Cor 6?
It would seem to me that the sins mentioned in 1Cor6 would be sins unto death as Paul says those that do them will not possess the kingdom of God. Is that what you see?

Yes God can forgive these sins and we can be washed and sanctified, but the scriptures say that they are past tense, not current activity which we deem too hard to give up.

Are there some sins that are worse than others? If not, why has Paul listed these, and why has John mentioned sin unto death?
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Democrats wobble as pressure to end shutdown ramps up

Be prepared to help her with her medical bills if she is left up the creek without a paddle. And remember which party caused the carastrophe.
Yes... The Democrats have closed down the gov by refusing to vote for the CR.
It is just that simple. All else is subterfudge.
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Refuting Losing Salvation!

What is the context of Philippians 2?
It's ok, but I'm noticing that we have different understandings about much of what we're discussing. So let's press on! There are quite a few things that God has to do in us, and causing us to desire "to do His good pleasure" does have to do with good works and living Godly, which I believe pleases Him the most, like a good daughter or son pleasing their parents.
This is why you have letters to Churches in Revelation, people who were following Christ but fell away..
Not to oppose you personally, but I don't see where it says any fell away, and the Lord Jesus said they were all still in Him, and warns them of wrongs they were doing; and I have no doubt they all chose to do what He admonished, considering He causes them to please the Father (Phl 2:13). If anyone ceases permanently to love God, it manifests
the absence of rebirth.
2 Peter 2:11-13

Look at all those "if" statements. That's not a 100% sure salvation stance, that is IF we do this, THEN this happens. You can't disown something you never had in the first place. So, IF we disown Jesus, he will disown us. Loss of salvation.
Not sure you have the correct passages. I do not see any "if's in 2 Peter 2:11-13, are you in the right place?
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Trump third term

In a purely objective sense... No

No...

But people don't get elected based on whether or not they're someone people would want their kids to emulate. They're elected in a 2-person competition where people are often times forced to go with "lesser of two evils" based on their current priority list.
It's not argument with which I agree. But...

...maybe you can explain why so many excuse his total lack of moral character, his mysogeny, his almost pathological lying, his denial of basic human rights, his lack of care for others...the list goes on and on. He represents your country for heaven's sake and you really would struggle to find someone worse to do it.

Why is there any support for the man?
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Trump's Top Gun Post

So am I, by addressing the video about Trump supposedly being a king. That's what the topic is about.
The video is one that Trump posted which was done by AI and shows Trump with a crown on his head, flying a jet plane and dumping poop on protesters.

Trump is the one who posted it.
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

You answer my post 97 first since you seem to have ignored it.

I addressed the very foundation of your adopted religious philosophy, your aversion to those like the Jesus "of the Bible" completely commit themselves to God and their bodies as instruments of righteousness unto God.

So I have absolutely answered your judgment of me and your aversion for "Legalism", a word never spoken in the Bible accept to describe Jesus and His excessive adherence to His Father and His Father's Laws

Wouldn't the world be a better place if everyone Loved and Respected God and His instruction in Righteousness like Jesus did, instead of "living by" the doctrines, judgments and philosophies of the religions of the world God placed us in? Nevertheless, Jesus said few would enter this lifestyle. Can we not choose to be of the few?

Certainly food for thought, for those "seeking Glory, Honor and Immortality".
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Oregon man driving stolen vehicle crashes into woman driving stolen car


NEWBERG, Ore. -- A car crash Sunday, July 5 resulted in both drivers being arrested after police in Oregon discovered they were both driving stolen vehicles.


What a fortuitous turn of events...

AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

Ask the right question and AI can say almost anything you want it to.

Did Jesus fulfill the law in us and for us?

1. Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly — for us


Jesus said plainly:




To fulfill means to bring to completion, to fill up its full meaning. Jesus did what no one else could — He perfectly obeyed God’s law without sin (1 Peter 2:22, Hebrews 4:15).
Paul wrote:




This means that Christ is both the goal and the completion of the law’s demands. He fulfilled it for us, and His perfect obedience is credited to those who believe (2 Corinthians 5:21, Romans 5:19).


So in the sense of righteousness before God, Jesus fulfilled the law for us.
We are justified — declared righteous — not because we kept the law, but because He did.




2. He also fulfills the law in us


Through the Holy Spirit, Christ’s life begins to be expressed in us.
Paul explains:




Notice: not “by us,” but in us.
When we walk in the Spirit, we begin to live in harmony with God’s moral will — not to earn salvation, but because we’ve already received it. The Spirit produces in us what the law demanded but could never empower.




3. We are not under the law as a means of salvation


Paul could not be clearer:




The law shows us our sin (Romans 3:20) and drives us to Christ, but it cannot save us.
Salvation is entirely by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9).




4. The believer’s obedience now flows from love, not legal obligation


Jesus said,




That love is the fruit of salvation, not its cause.
We obey because we are saved — not to be saved.
As Paul says:




Faith doesn’t abolish God’s moral order — it puts it in its proper place, under grace, with Christ as both its fulfillment and its power.




Summary:


  • Jesus fulfilled the law for us — securing our righteousness.
  • The Spirit fulfills it in us — producing holy living.
  • We are not obligated to keep the law for salvation, because salvation is by grace through faith.
  • True believers still love and honor God’s moral will — not to earn life, but because they already have it in Christ.
This isn't about the topic of the OP.

You are also not making an argument I have ever made. The law can't save us, it just shows us our condition so we can go to Jesus who can save us. When Jesus changes us He doesn't leave us in our sinful condition, He changes us from the inside out therefore God's commandments would be kept, not to be saved, but because one is saved. Its a consequence of salvation, not a means to it. That said, according to Scripture no one is saved in their sins Heb10:26-30 as it shows one loves their sins more than they love Jesus to help turn from sin and abide in Him.
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Is purgatory a Biblical or extra biblical teaching?

I am asking why it has to be explicit in Scripture in order to be a Divinely revealed truth. If you can explain that to me, please do.

If you can't, my answer is "who cares if it's not explicit in Scripture. It is still a Divinely revealed truth."
Because it leads people to believe when it is not TRUE !!

dan p
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Morality without Absolute Morality

Are you intentionally conflating the meaning of "reason" or do you truly not understand that your usage and @o_mlly usage are not the same?
I'll use reason to determine my position on moral matters. It gives me the reason why I hold to it. One is the process. The other is the result it gives.

Did I really have to spell that out?
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Rick Warren: ‘I’m not a health and wealth teacher; I give to be a blessing, not get a blessing'

‘In the economy of God, radical generosity will not go unrewarded’​


SEOUL, South Korea — World-renowned pastor and prolific church planter Rick Warren says if Christians worldwide are going to complete the Great Commission by the 2,000th anniversary of the Church, it's going to take radical giving, collaboration and a plan.

Speaking to delegates at the World Evangelical Alliance's 14th General Assembly and members of SaRang Church on Wednesday night, Warren stressed that the window of opportunity is short, with only eight years left to complete the task.

To experience rapid growth of the Church and fulfill the Great Commission, Warren said there are three options to model. The first is the model of Jesus, which he addressed in his sermon on Monday night, listing five things Christian leaders must do to win the world for Christ. The other two models are the first church in Acts and the model of Apostle Paul.

Continued below.
Seems like giving to get, is ok, if you do not have the love of money and the getting is so that you can give more? Give and it shall be given, he who gives generously will reap generously. God set that in motion, not us. Warren practices too what he calls "reverse tithing" giving away 90% of his income. People too pray for stuff all the time, that can't be wrong either unless you pray to fulfill lusts. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. Of course anything for God has to be done in love and yes, there are some who push prosperity at the expense of the other parts of the gospel. I think a balance on healing and prosperity teaching is biblical.
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Do Your Actions Speaks Louder then your knowledge?

Paul say in (1 Tim.4: 1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; The first day of the week, as the Sabbath day, is the doctrine of the devil. Satan is always trying to mimic God. So if it is not of God then it is of Satan. So if the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) is a sign between God and His people. Then the first day (Sunday) is a sign between somebody and his people. You can’t have it both ways you are either in or out. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Also Paul say in (1 Cor.10:20-22) (v.20) “and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils”. (v.21) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. (v.22) Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

Just about everybody in my family goes to church on Sunday. Even I used too, until I read the scriptures and researched the history of Sunday worship. Until I read the bible for myself I was in the dark.

Now here’s your chance to come into the light. (1Peter: 2:9) “that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:” Open your eyes sisters and brothers and see. Let no man deceive you. As it is written in (Rev12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Satan through man (Religious Teaching) has deceived the whole world.

ORIGIN OF SUNDAY WORSHIP

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

The Catholic authorities proclaim: "The Bible says, 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.' The Catholic Church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church!" Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, Mo., as taken from History of the Sabbath. pg. 802

The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

Go into your history books and prove me wrong, I challenge you to do so. Sisters and brothers I pray that you read your bibles for yourselves and pray for understanding.

And don’t let some unlearned false preacher deceive you. The Sabbath of the Lord has, and will always be the seventh day of the week (sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) and has not been changed. I know that some will say, well we don’t know if the seventh day in Jesus time is the same seventh day now. Well the bible says: (Mat 28:1) In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Now this proves that in Jesus day when the Sabbath (Saturday) ended the first day of the week (Sunday) began. Guess what? In our day when the seventh day ends the first day of the week begins, no change!
All you have to do to prove your case is to post a post crucifixion verse that teaches that the 4th commandment is required of the Christian. That’s it, after all, after the wall of text that you just posted here you should be able to provide such a verse without any problems.
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Does Regeneration Precede Faith?

The Father gives believers to Jesus, He the Father would not give unbelievers.
That directly contradicts what verse 37 says: "All that the Father gives me will come to me." The giving precedes the coming.

Nothing in the verse states that all The Father gives Me. they will then believe in Me
That's exactly what it says, almost verbatim...

What do you understand "coming" to mean?

God also knows already who will believe in Jesus for Etrenal Life, but that does not mean God has elected certain people to eternal life.
Can you please interact with post #35? Particularly the middle and latter portions on John 6:44, 45.
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Using AI vs. Talking To Humans

I'm going to tell it I love staring at a wall for hours to watch paint dry. I just know it's going to say "Ah. That's such an interesting and exciting hobby you have!"

Seriously though, I get annoyed by the sycophancy. I've told it to stop before. I've also told it to stop asking me questions at the end of every answer. I find that annoying sometimes. Third thing is, like I mentioned in an earlier post, I sometimes post a few questions one after another which are completely unrelated, yet it will hang on to the subject of the first thing I asked about. I ask a question about locomotive steam engines. Three questions later I'm asking about climbing Mt. Everest, and it asks me something like "Would you like me to relate Mt. Everest to trains?" I'm like, dude, I'm done with the train thing.

And you mentioned mistakes. Two days ago I was getting some help with a computer issue. It reminded me that Windows 10 will soon be losing support on Oct. 18. It said this on the 28th. I let it slide the first time but it did it again, so I asked it "You know gazillions of very complicated things. How can you get something as simple as the date wrong?" It said it wasn't wrong, it's just that it looks at calendars differently than I do. :| Sounds like some politician type weasel words to me.
I asked it questions regarding fiction literature and it got characters from one story mixed up with another and so on.
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What is the meaning of Total Depravity?

And what does that mean as I . presented exactly what that verse said to all. with all. the English words. and its Greek words

and all will. see that L did not ADD. or SUBTRACT. from that verse !!

dan p
If adding and subtraction does not work, try multiplication.
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Pray that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor (formerly Prince Andrew) finds Salvation in Jesus Christ as he is now an outcast of the Royal family

Pray that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor (formerly Prince Andrew) finds Salvation in Jesus Christ as he is now an outcast of the Royal family:

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