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jonojim1337 · 2025-12-07T04:26:05-0600

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-07T04:22:27-0600

Ok but why did you omit 1 Maccabees 12:20

Stopped_lurking · 2025-12-07T04:05:16-0600

stevevw said:
I am saying why was not this same level of fixation on holding Trump accountable was not applied to the ones making the complaints. They have no moral ground because they allowed the same thing and much, much, much worse happen under their watch.

I'm making a complaint against killing people in peril at sea. Who is it you want me to hold accountable before I can complain about that?

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-07T04:01:53-0600

And the vacuum environment next to our gaseous atmosphere where all the satellites travel 50,000km/h without friction :doh:

I’m the looney toon right.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-07T03:47:46-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
Why should Jews be an exception?

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Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-12-07T03:40:26-0600

There's only one atom.

His name is Jimbo.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-07T03:28:58-0600

Shabbat shalom :oldthumbsup:

“They shall rest from their labors”

An obvious Sabbath reference, I was reminded of this as I, yet again, got the feeling that I can now die in peace, having experienced what I had to experience, and learned what I came here to learn, and what follows hereafter is just a bonus. You ever get this feeling?

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jonojim1337 · 2025-12-07T03:17:51-0600

First of all, I think that any church that has the apostolic succession, as the laying of hands is the method by which one is ordained within the Church, is more true than the ones that don’t have it. And I think it’s pretty audacious, for any Christian, to separate himself from the Church that Christ founded with his own hands.

That being said, we’re left with three denominations within the Apostolic Church. Which one is the true one?

While no individual or congregation is perfect, I would say that fulfilling the words of Christ to give to Caesar that which is Caesar’s goes a long way. This also fulfills Romans 13.

And by Caesar I mean the actual hiers of Rome, not the usurpers.

So in that case you have to do the math, and some reading. Maybe follow the latest research at MSU, I dunno. You do you.

linux.poet · 2025-12-07T03:09:12-0600

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jonojim1337 · 2025-12-07T03:04:38-0600

There is, nothing particularly supernatural about this, but I think it’s a wise position:

“They shall rest from their labors”

An obvious Sabbath reference, I was reminded of this as I, yet again, got the feeling that I can now die in peace, having experienced what I had to experience, and learned what I came here to learn, and what follows hereafter is just a bonus. You ever get this feeling?

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jonojim1337 · 2025-12-07T03:02:31-0600

An obvious Sabbath reference, I was reminded of this as I, yet again, got the feeling that I can now die in peace, having experienced what I had to experience, and learned what I came here to learn, and what follows hereafter is just a bonus.

You ever get this feeling?

sjastro · 2025-12-07T03:01:06-0600

stevevw said:
Stop trying to put things in my head lol. I never said any of this and your are creating strawmen. Its not an either/or answer. We are trying to work it all out.

All we can do is gather data to get a better understanding. I am not saying the marks are from melting stone or any particular method. Only that the studies done show it was not from small dolerite pounders. Along with the analysis of the patterns in the mark showing a different and more uniform method.

As though the granite was scooped or dug out with a uniform method that was similar to the shape of the scoops. Along with other evidence showing the impracticality of using pounders in tight situations where its impossible.

Like I said this is not a one size fits all kind of determination. There may be a number of methods employed over 1,000s of years. Knowledge comes and goes and changes.

It may be that the scoops in stone come from a different method to thermal treatment. Look at the scoops in stone throughout the world. There are many that show no vitrification. Yet they show softened or weakened stone.

It may some way the structure of the granite was weakened and it was not melted but rather then material was changed at the molecular level. Such as with sonic cutting which weakens the crystals within the stone.

But the point is I am only guessing at the method. All we can do is look at the data which definitely shows the marks of a different method to dolerite pounders and nore like the stone has been scooped out as though the stone was compromised in some way.

If its basic highschool stuff then the ancient Egyptians knew about this. We should expect that many of their works will contain softened or melted limestone. Making it easier to work with. Including the building works containing limestone.

But then we also have examples of basalt and granite melted. What do you say about these.

No this is the point. Knowledge can come and go. The important thing is they were still living within the same immersion of direct conscious experiences of nature. Which enabled them to discover chemistry and physics. How nature worked and how it could change the physical world.

I want to know why you specifically choose this example and avoided the others. None of what you have said negates the facts and reality that we have examples of softened and melted stones around the world. Showing there was advanced knowledge in how to mess around with the material structures of rocks.

As usual you skip over the evidence and ignore most of it.

I can excuse you for failing to understand none of your images are examples of stone softening or weakening which can be explained by other mechanisms such as erosion. Only laboratory testing can confirm any petrological changes to the crystal structure the details of which went way over your head.

What is inexcusable however are your attempts to BS about dolerite pounders not being contemporary with or not used in making the unfinished obelisks.
Not only have the pounders been relatively dated to the unfinished obelisk but have been found in very excavation trench of the obelisk.
There is absolutely no doubt the pounders were used on the unfinished obelisk as there is absolutely no evidence of stone softening or weakening.

Here are reliable, peer-reviewed or academically published references where Egyptian granite, limestone, and tool-marked surfaces were scientifically tested for thermal alteration, chemical weakening, or softening.
All show no evidence of melting, vitrification, or artificial weakening.

I’ve grouped them by granite, limestone, and tool‐marks / quarrying evidence.

1. Tests on Egyptian Granite

1. Klemm, R. & Klemm, D.

“Geological Survey of Ancient Egyptian Quarries.”
(Geological Society of America Special Paper 2008)

Includes petrography, XRD, thin sections.
Confirms Aswan granite is geologically intact with no thermal alteration.

2. Harrell, J.A.

“Archaeological Geology of Ancient Egypt.” In Encyclopedia of Geology, 2nd Ed.

Examines quarry samples with thin-section petrography.
Finds no melting or artificial alteration in granite from Aswan, Giza, Saqqara.

3. Stocks, D.A.

“Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology.” Routledge, 2003.

SEM and thin-section analysis of granite surfaces.
Shows percussion micro-fractures, no heat-softening.

4. Aston, B.G. et al.

“Stone: Quarrying and Working of Stone in the Ancient Near East.”

Includes mineralogical tests (petrography & chemistry) on Egyptian granites.
Reports no vitrification or non-natural softening.

5. Nicholson, P.T. & Shaw, I. (eds.)

“Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology.” Cambridge Univ. Press, 2000.

Chapter on stone technology includes petrographic & SEM analysis.
Confirms granite tool marks are mechanical, not thermal.

2. Tests on Egyptian Limestone

6. Klemm, R. & Klemm, D.

“Geology of the Pyramids.”

Thin sections, SEM, and XRD of Tura limestone.
Shows original calcite grains with zero thermal decomposition.

7. Harrell, J.A. & Storemyr, P.

“Ancient Egyptian Quarries: An Illustrated Overview.” Geological Survey & University of Bergen (2009).

Petrographic tests on limestone blocks.
Confirms unaltered natural sedimentary microfabrics.

8. Bloxam, E.

“The Organisation, Transportation and Logistics of Egyptian Quarrying.”

XRD and SEM of quarry limestone.
Reports no artificial weakening.

3. Tests on Tool-Marks, Saw Cuts, Pounding Cups, Drill Holes

9. Stocks, D.A.

“Stoneworking Technology in the Egyptian Old Kingdom.”
Journal of Egyptian Archaeology, 1999.

SEM examination of granite saw and drilling surfaces.
Shows abrasive–mechanical wear, no melting.

10. Goyon, J.-C.

“Le Tombeau d’Ouserkaf.” IFAO, Cairo.

Petrography of tool-marked granite in Old Kingdom sites.
No heat or chemical alteration.

11. Klemm & Klemm (multiple quarry reports)

SEM imaging of quarry faces at Aswan and Gebel Fatira.
All surfaces show impact fractures, never thermal softening.

12. Harrell, J.A.

“Ancient Egyptian Pavement Saw Marks: New SEM Results.”
Egyptian Archaeology (EA) Magazine.

SEM analysis shows straight abrasive-striations, inconsistent with any softening hypothesis.

4. Materials Science / Mineralogical Papers

13. El Aref, M. & Afify, R.R.

“SEM and XRD Characterization of Egyptian Granitic Artefacts.”
Journal of African Earth Sciences (peer-reviewed).

No amorphous phases, no melted quartz, no lattice damage.

14. Ali, M.M. et al.

“Raman Spectroscopy of Ancient Egyptian Stone Artefacts.”
Vibrational Spectroscopy.

All quartz and calcite signals consistent with unheated crystalline minerals.

15. El-Badry, O. et al.

“Petrography and Geochemistry of Granite Monuments from Egypt.”
Journal of Archaeological Science.

Microtextures and chemistry unchanged by any high-energy process.

✔️ Summary: What these references prove

Across granite, limestone, statues, quarry marks, and obelisks:

No vitrification
No glassy phases
No amorphous mineral content
No collapsed lattice structures
No thermal gradients
No chemical residues
Normal hardness values
Natural fracture mechanics
Intact mineralogy identical to raw quarry rock

All peer-reviewed geological evidence refutes the claim that ancient Egyptian stone was melted, softened, or weakened artificially.

throughfierytrial · 2025-12-07T02:30:09-0600

throughfierytrial said:
Galatians 3:7-9:
7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”[d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

Galatians 3:15-17:
15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ.

Add:Galatians 3:27-29:

27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirsaccording to the promise.

keras · 2025-12-07T02:16:13-0600

THE TERMINATION EVENT: Something big may be about to happen on the sun. "We call it the Termination Event," says Scott McIntosh, a solar physicist at the National Centre for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), "and it's very, very close to happening."

If you've never heard of the Termination Event, you're not alone. Many researchers have never heard of it either. It's a relatively new idea in solar physics promoted by McIntosh and colleague Bob Leamon of the University of Maryland - Baltimore County. According to the two scientists, vast bands of magnetism are drifting across the surface of the sun. When oppositely-charged bands collide at the equator, they annihilate (or "terminate"). There may be no explosion; this is magnetic discharge, but a huge hole in the suns surface makes it liable for a Coronal Nass Ejection.

"If this situation happens soon, as we expect, Solar Cycle 25 could have a magnitude that rivals any solar cycle since record-keeping began," says McIntosh. [Joel 2:2b] More information at; www.spaceweather.com

It will be a Coronal Mass Ejection, an earth directed explosion on the sun’s surface, that the Lord will send on His terrible and world changing Day of vengeance and wrath. Over 100 Bible prophesies describe the effects of this devastation and wide spread deaths.

It will be the Sixth Seal, Revelation 6:12-17, which will commence all the end time prophesied events, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, to reign on earth for the next thousand years.

Tom D · 2025-12-07T02:13:03-0600

They staggered out into the city streets, their judgment clouded by the alcohol and disappointment. They didn’t notice the black van parked nearby until it was too late.
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The van screeched forward, headlights blinding. Before Johann could react, rough hands yanked him back. A hood was shoved over his head, muffling Hans’s protests as they struggled. Their kidnappers moved swiftly, bundling Johann into the van while leaving Hans behind. Johann’s world blurred into darkness.

Johann’s new reality began in a dim room in the beautiful rural town of Bad Goisern on Lake Halstatt. His two kidnappers' goal was to demand a ransom of 2 million. The two kidnappers were Robert and Rune—known to their friends as Rob and Run. They sat slouched in the dim room, their cigarettes dangling lazily from their fingers...

RamiC · 2025-12-07T02:06:07-0600

Paidiske said:
Sigh. How is it the second Sunday of Advent already?

It is one of those years. Some Advents are faster than others.

stevevw · 2025-12-07T02:00:02-0600

Isn't it hypocritical how people claim the State is neutral when it come s to religion and ideological beliefs. They arrest one person based on their belief while supporting another belief that this whole ideaology is good for children.

We are living in a time where the truth is turned into a lie and a lie into the truth. Where sin is celebrated. What usually happens when a world gets to that point.

Well for one God and Christians are mocked and persecuted. But God also does not allow for such evil to continue for too long when it gets to this point.

While some are persecuted others will rise up as bold Christians and they will be without fault that the world cannot deny the truth. God will also bring consequences for the evil being done to the innocents.

Remember Christs words that if anyone leads those children away who are for Him they may as well throw themselves in the ocean.

stevevw · 2025-12-07T01:55:34-0600

peaceful-forest said:
Would you be friends with a non-believer that has a lying problem?

I have a personal experience related to this that I think about on and off. On a different website, I wanted Christian friends; there were certain Christian individuals that I wanted to be friends with (that didn't happen). These certain people were friends with this one non-Christian person who clearly had a lying problem.

I didn't understand then and I still don't understand how these Christian individuals can be friends with this particular person. How do you trust the other person if they lie so much? How is friendship possible?

I would like to hear your thoughts, explanations, experiences, etc.

The the person is truely lying to a point where it makes it hard to trust them. Then these other Christian friends will not be true friends in the sense that you may be thinking. As in a close relationship where you can depend on a friend and who may as a Christian even save you.

I think there are levels of friendship. I mean as a Christian I have relatives who are not Christian. But I still love them as famility in that sense. But I would not trust one in particular lol.

You can also have accquainences who are sort of like friends. Sometimes in that moment they are like good friends but you may not have an ongoing relation. You can sort of get to know people and determine if they are trustworthy. Though that can be assumed as well.

Sometimes I think being a friend when the other person cannot be a friend on that same level is being a friend. I mean you will know that you may not be getting the same back in return and there is a line that has to be drawn sometimes. But you can still sort of be a friend and not give fully of yourself at the same time.

In some ways its that destinction where your still offering to be a friend and be there if they really need help. Rather than allowing the person to get away with the lies that can make the difference. When the person really needs someone to talk to when ready they may see that you cared all along and were really showing love.

d taylor · 2025-12-07T01:52:14-0600

Akita Suggagaki said:
No big deal. He somehow does it in his apartment when he is still a student. Doesn’t make much sense. Nothing like any movie.

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Interesting, so no lighting strike.

rjs330 · 2025-12-07T01:48:49-0600

Benaiah468 said:
Ireland's new president, Catherine Cnnolly, has been considered one of the loudest voices against Israel for years. But with her entry into the country's highest office, this political line takes on a new quality and a new responsibility. Her stance towards the terrorist organisation Hamas, her rhetoric about Israel and her long-standing political alliances suggest that Europe is facing a serious shift in its Middle East policy. For Israel, this means that Dublin will become a political outpost for those circles that not only criticise the Jewish state, but also seek to delegitimise it.

During her election campaign, Connolly publicly stated that Hamas was ‘part of the Palestinian people’ and ‘legitimately elected.’ She initially refused to clearly condemn the massacres of Oct 7 2023, a day on which hundreds of Israelis were murdered, tortured or kidnapped. Only after widespread criticism did she backtrack, later describing the act as ‘absolutely unacceptable.’ But her assessment remained contradictory. In the same breath, she called Israel a ‘terrorist state,’ thereby placing perpetrators and victims on the same level.

This choice of words is not just a political stance, but has real influence: as head of state, Connolly shapes the international perception of Ireland. Her statements are heard in a Europe that has seen a dramatic increase in anti-Semitic incidents since Oct 7 and where anti-Jewish narratives are increasingly fuelling violence.

For Israel, Connolly's election sends a warning signal: political voices that downplay Hamas or demonise Israel are gaining institutional weight. This also affects Jewish communities in Europe, which are coming under increasing pressure. The rhetoric of political leaders shapes social attitudes. When leaders adopt the narrative of the perpetrators, the threshold for aggression against the victims is lowered.

European history shows that enemy stereotypes rarely remain harmless. Over the centuries, Jews were expelled from dozens of countries: England, France, Spain, Portugal, Russia, the Arab world. Almost everywhere, political agitation was followed by social violence. Today, European Jews are once again witnessing demonstrations outside synagogues and hatred of Israel turning into open anti-Semitism.

Dublin itself is now a hot bed of Islam and extremism. I was listening today an interview with a man from the area. The western side of Ireland has been nearly taken over by Islamists. Ireland is becoming unrecognizable in many places as the Irish culture is being supplanted. Its no wonder why someone like her was voted in.

Servus · 2025-12-07T01:38:48-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Those are rookie numbers compared to the rape and deaths caused by these cartels every year.

Those don't matter. Only something that can be used to get Trump matters.

d taylor · 2025-12-07T01:32:42-0600

Michie said:
Catholics have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

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Well to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life, they individually must believe in Jesus for Eternal Life.

rjs330 · 2025-12-07T01:30:31-0600

Belk said:
Do not get me wrong, I find the extremism of Islam troubling, but it is not currently the overriding worry.

I'm glad at least you are troubled. But you know what? The stuff in Europe, they weren't too concerned and didn't have any overriding worry either. Now they are. And in places in the US it is headed that way. I'd rather not wait until we are in the same place as Europe.

NBB · 2025-12-07T01:13:34-0600

don't call them churches, churches are supposed to be a blessing.

stevevw · 2025-12-07T01:09:36-0600

I wonder how all these stories of systemic corruption and fraud within these immigration or lack of immigration programs. It seems they are proving Trump right that there is widespread corruption within the whole immigration sector and over the past few years under the Dems they have ripped off the US for billions.

Not to mention that this type of corruption usually comes with all sorts of other crimes and compromises of the law. I think we will find this is very deep and wide and a blight on the whole ideology of the Dems immigration policies and philosophy.

Most Americans are waking up to their own leaders allowing such a situation where billions of their own tax payer money was being siphoned off to corrupt people who were allowed in and to stay despite all the red flags.

Surely now people will be beginning to understand the gravity of this and how there is a need to stop this corruption and completely restructure the system. Sort out the US and its own peoples welfare before trying to save the world and bring all their problems.

This is crazy and I reckon we will see more of this happening in all nations that opened their arms without vetting millions of people who we now know many have brought their problems into what use to be free and safe nations.

Now when the radicals want to attac k ICE agents who are getting these corrupt people who have no right to be here out. They will think twice that the person they are wanting to free has actually ripped their own children off. How can they know. This crazy idea of defying authority based on some misguided ideology is crazy.

In fact the radical ideology belongs in the same basket as the leaders who allowed this and the cause of this whole mess. They are just adding more fuel to the chaos.

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1. Tests on Egyptian Granite​

1. Klemm, R. & Klemm, D.​

2. Harrell, J.A.​

3. Stocks, D.A.​

4. Aston, B.G. et al.​

5. Nicholson, P.T. & Shaw, I. (eds.)​

2. Tests on Egyptian Limestone​

6. Klemm, R. & Klemm, D.​

7. Harrell, J.A. & Storemyr, P.​

8. Bloxam, E.​

3. Tests on Tool-Marks, Saw Cuts, Pounding Cups, Drill Holes​

9. Stocks, D.A.​

10. Goyon, J.-C.​

11. Klemm & Klemm (multiple quarry reports)​

12. Harrell, J.A.​

4. Materials Science / Mineralogical Papers​

13. El Aref, M. & Afify, R.R.​

14. Ali, M.M. et al.​

15. El-Badry, O. et al.​

✔️ Summary: What these references prove​

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1. Tests on Egyptian Granite

1. Klemm, R. & Klemm, D.

2. Harrell, J.A.

3. Stocks, D.A.

4. Aston, B.G. et al.

5. Nicholson, P.T. & Shaw, I. (eds.)

2. Tests on Egyptian Limestone

6. Klemm, R. & Klemm, D.

7. Harrell, J.A. & Storemyr, P.

8. Bloxam, E.

3. Tests on Tool-Marks, Saw Cuts, Pounding Cups, Drill Holes

9. Stocks, D.A.

10. Goyon, J.-C.

11. Klemm & Klemm (multiple quarry reports)

12. Harrell, J.A.

4. Materials Science / Mineralogical Papers

13. El Aref, M. & Afify, R.R.

14. Ali, M.M. et al.

15. El-Badry, O. et al.

✔️ Summary: What these references prove