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Valletta said:

The Council was called to address those who insisted that Gentiles must be circumcised. It it true there is no record of anyone at the council challenging Paul's particular teaching below:

Cor 2:11-12 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ; and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Also while Gentiles were not considered God's chosen people in OT times, with Christianity Gentiles were included. The old is fulfilled in the new.

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The topic of discussion at the Jerusalem Council was the relationship between circumcision and Gentile believers. On that we are in complete agreement. If, in fact, God had replaced circumcision with baptism does it not seem at all odd that it was not even recorded??

Also, if baptism is salvific for Cristians was circumcision also salvific for Jews?

Stopped_lurking said:

Everyone is assumed to be an amateur until expertise is evidenced. Not the other way around.

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That is a silly way to look at people. In fact it hinges on the very idea of using negative assumptions and stereotypes to generalise people.

But even if we go along with this assumption irs suppose to be a unknown one and not one that used against the person to discredit them. If its a neutral assumption that we just don't know.

Then using it as a weapon to discredit someone is no longer being neutral. It is then made into an absolute fact that the person is an amateur. Without the proper investigation to determine that.

Stopped_lurking said:

I wasn't the person who made the original claim, but so far it seems to hold. Why didn't they just use actual metrology software, then we wouldn't have this conversation.

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That was never discussed. It was automatically assumed. Karoyl explained why and as far as I know nobody has mentioned this explanation as being wrong. As the vases were unprecedented there was no existing software that could capture the vases. So existing software was adjusted.

In fact Dr Max used a similar approach. But also the Vase project team did use the metrology software and came to the same findings. Which confirms the modified softeware was within the range of the metrology software.

But also to further confirm the measurements guage metrology was also done which also came to the same findings.

Basically the objections came down to the accuracy over what amounted to microns of difference. So I reduced the whole dispute from skeptics down to whether the circularity and concentricity was the result of lathing. Then it was a case of what level of lathing sophistication.

Fixating on microns of difference or even the vases as a whole is misleading. When we take a step back and realise that the vases look out of place for that time which did not even have the potters wheel.

Looking at the precision looking vases in the context of other signatures such as the obvious machining marks on stones, the softening of stone and other precision works allows us to understand that overall these ancients were capable of something greater methods than pounding, grinding and rubbing stones into such precision and quality.

Stopped_lurking said:

With no academic output at all, he is an amateur. If one doesn't work professionally in the field one are an amateur. That's the definition.

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The point is if someone is going to make a claim of being an amateur then they should investigate first if this is the case. I am saying that no investigation at all was done beofre this accusation was hurled.

Karoyl states that the researchers that helped develop the software were "professionals" and not amateurs. So theres the first hint. Why would Karoyl use an amateur who knows little if his aim is to prove the precision of these vases. He chose to measure vases in museums because of the provenance issue. So why would be then throw another obstacle in his work.

A simple search gives you one of the researchers Marian Marcis who is a Professor in Photogrammetry, Image Scanning, #d reconstructions and Digitalisation of cultural images. That seems the exact expertise needed. Or at least beyond the amateur level lol.

Stopped_lurking said:

If you had read it you would know. What they did is explained in the methods section, including their assumptions.

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Why do you skip the most important points about how bias is being used. How Christ King like the professional software researchers are called amateurs as part of discrediting the whole research project.

The new tech that was derived from the modelling is stated by the scientists involved. Unless you think they are lying.

Stopped_lurking said:

Radiowaves with an wavelength between 200 to 600 m (not all of them to any large degree). But no extraction device was hypothesized.

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There are two aspects I think. The modelling of the entire structure, its shape and how this itself causes radiowaves of a particular length are concentrated into the chambers and base.

Then there is investigation of the specific of the internal structure as to how this may further concentrate electromagnetic waves into the chambers or other parts of the pyramid. Such as thermal or acoustics. Thats not to say that the placement and use of granite or specific stone types are not themselves the generator of certain effects. Such as the granite in chambers being under tremendous pressure.

I am pretty sure there have been tests done in the pyramid chamber and ante chamber that have shown high piezoelectric effects. I know there have been acoustic tests.

Stopped_lurking said:

No energy extraction.

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What do you mean by energy extraction. Is this the mechanism that can utilise the energy that has been generated. As far as I understand the modelling and evidence shows that the pyramid could potentially be an energy generator and that this could be a source of energy that could be utilised by the Egyptians.

They just have not yet joined the dots in showing how that energy could have been utilised.

Stopped_lurking said:

This a paper describing what they want to do, not what have been done. You have posted it before, and I gave you the same comment. Did you even reread it in light of my comment? It is unclear whether that conference contribution was peer-reviewed.

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Yes and my point is like all good science the modelling and theorectic science is done first based on a hypothesis. Which is usually imagined based on some indirect evidence ie good acoustics in pyramid, some anomelies such as finding certain signatures.

Then its a case of testing directly to confirm. My point is as this is all fairly new science due to the new tech available that these preliminary tests and science is not psuedoscience as its all been labelled but part of the science process. That its being lumped as all part of the conspiracy of lost advanced tech nutters is bias.

I think I have more than proved the bias and double standard. So its hard to take anything further on this thread as serious.

rjs330 said:

You are rhe one rhat brought emotional reactions as determinor of gender. Not me

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I brought them in as one characteristic of gender.

rjs330 said:

Aren't you rhe one that said emotions and cognitive state had something to do with gender?

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That's what we are arguing about, isn't it?

What about you? Do you really believe that your emotional reactions, your ways of thinking about things that happen to you are identical to a woman's?

sovereigngrace said:

Mock the finished work of Christ at your peril.

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That means you are saying Christ mocked himself when he said Matthew 28:20 instead.

What's it about?

Champions must participate, not spectate.

HTRTT

Examples from photographs taken today

I checked the distance on a Google map 3.7 miles

The nation has been reduced to grade school mentalities including among the educational elite. Time out for everyone.

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Always are thankful that God offers Eternal Life as a free gift to be received

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Praying more open their hearts to Him and His gift!!

In context, the one who warned them on earth was Moses. He warned the Israelites who had escaped slavery in Egypt, but who were wandering in the wilderness, against living in idolatry, adultery, immorality, drunkenness, revelry, grumbling against God, putting God to the test, craving evil things, and disobedience to God and to his commandments. But most of them did not listen, and they continued in their sins, and so God put them to death, and they did not get to enter his eternal rest because of their disobedience.

The things that they did in rebellion against God happened as examples for us, and they were written down for our instruction, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. And we are warned in the Scriptures to not be like them, and to not commit the same kinds of sins which they did, and which they refused to repent of, which brought about their deaths and their eternal separation from God. And we are told that if we hear God’s voice, we must not harden our hearts as they did in disobedience to God.

For, under the Old Covenant or the New Covenant, we must not walk in sin and in disobedience to our Lord or we, as well, will not enter into God’s eternal rest, i.e. we will not inherit eternal life with God. And all throughout the New Testament we are warned against disobedience to God and making sin our practice, that if we do that, we will not have salvation from sin, and we will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. For we can’t just call Jesus “Lord,” but we need to be doing (obeying) what he commands us to do.

And God is now using them as an example to us to not be like them or we will face the same result. He is the voice warning us from heaven. And he is showing us that if we do what they did that we will suffer the same punishment that they did, too. For unbelief is not just a failure to acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord. Disobedience to God and to his commands is unbelief. And faith in Jesus Christ is obedience to our Lord in dying to sin and now living to God, doing what is pleasing to God.

But all of this comes from God, and is not generated in our own human flesh. Our faith comes from God, it is gifted to us by God, and it is persuaded of God as to his righteousness and holiness, and of our sinfulness, and of our need to die to sin and to obey our Lord and his commandments, by the grace of God, and in the power of God, according to the will of God for our lives. Not one of us can be saved from our sins via our own human effort, but faith in Jesus requires death to sin and obeying God.

So please understand here that our salvation from sin and eternal life with God are not promised to us based upon a profession of faith in Jesus Christ only. God warns us in the Scriptures many times over that if we continue in deliberate and habitual sin, and if obedience to our Lord’s commands is not what we practice, that we will face the same punishment as the Israelites in the wilderness who ignored God’s warnings. We will die in our sins, and we will not have salvation from sin nor eternal life with God. Please believe it!

[1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 12:1-2,18-29; Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 10:19-39; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Recording Via Gerry Peters, music producer and arranger

Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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Do Not Refuse Him
An Original Work / November 27, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

We had Thanksgiving. It reminds me of the Great Banquet promised in the Bible. I ate a lot but didn't overeat.

Dreyma said:

I'm living for myself instead of God, and I'm afraid of going to Hell.

Whenever I resolve to live for God, it lasts approximately 5 minutes before I revert and do whatever I feel like doing.

Right now, if I were living for God, I would get out of bed, get ready for my day, and start planning next week's lessons for my students. Instead, I'm being my usual lazy self, lounging in bed and spending time on the internet because it's easy and enjoyable. (Correction: It's not enjoyable, but it's enjoyable relative to work.)

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You think you're going to hell b/c you don't feel like working right now?

The Bible teaches no one can live for God all the time, we can't do it. Even when we want to, we can often be doing it for selfish reasons. We are saved b/c those in Christ, he has declared righteous based off Christ's righteousness. You couldn't earn it if you tried.

You may find this helpful. We were discussing in church & I read it as well lately, that King Solomon is often known for building the Temple. But do you know what happened? After that he married a bunch of women & then built temples to the pagan gods for them. You don't want to know what those temples meant, what they did there, & what kinds of gods they worshipped. Can you believe that? He lived for God building the Temple & then did some of the worst sins you can think of. God still calls him righteous.

So we see we have great forgiveness & kindness from God & so try to live the best we can & follow what he says b/c of how he's chosen to see us

Belk said:

Alternate theory, it is just regular old human fallacies requiring no special explanation.

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I'll never be able to beat you religious protectors. Some things will never die.

jacorian said:

The president has just reported that the young lady has passed.

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Extremely unfortunate. Looking at both Trump's and Biden's involvement in all of this, I conclude that... I put the complete blame on the murderer, who should receive the full weight of the law.

CLEEB said:

Deuteronomy 5:3 Galatians 3:16-18 Genesis 15:13 You have no idea what your talking about.

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You have no idea what you are talking about?

Manners Matter.

The following verses show the Lord our God was guiding man since creation.
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

The following verses show that this showing that God was and is doing is the law. The hearers of the Law, were doing it because it was Of their nature, their conscience.

Verse 2:13 says the doers of the law shall be justified, not the hearers only. This is in the future tense and the context is connected to verse 16 were it says that God will judge the secrets of men by the Gospel. That premise is stated in chapter 1 were it says in verse 4 that we are given grace for the obedience of faith. The faith that establishes the law (Rom 3:23). The faith the just live By (Rom 1:17) For the word, the law is in our heart and our mouth through Christ. That is the Faith in which we preach. (Rom 10:8; Heb 10:16)

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Platte said:

It’s all very simple - and very easy to understand. Paul had no problem understanding the Gospel and thankfully neither do I

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After reading some of your past remarks I take back what I said before.

Mentioning the risks of trafficking and exploitation seem like different stance than before. Is there increased trafficking and exploitation now than say, a year ago?

boughtwithaprice said:

Sabbath blessings, your arguments from scripture would have more weight if I were arguing for the abolishment of the Sabbath. That is not true. I say with the Apostles and New Testament scripture that the Sabbath has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus

Do you have any apostolic teaching where they tell us we must continue to keep the Jewish sabbath? If not, then you are speaking of your own inference on the scriptures.
Should we obey Apostles or the inferences of those that claim to be Apostles?

I have read the book From Sabbath to Sunday that was recommended to me by Bob Ryan.
In it, I find no concrete Apostolic teaching that uses Scripture as you do. There are plenty of negative critiques of Iraneus, Justin Martyr and other first and second century Church fathers, but no Apostle can be recorded claiming Christians must worship on the Sabbath


Do you know of or have any such teaching?

The council of Jerusalem in the book of Acts does not even mention the Sabbath. To you, it is the implied, but the Apostles and early Church Fathers contradict that assessment. Why is that?

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I have presented my arguments with Scripture, you have presented your arguments with your own words.

There is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. People use this to try to lower what the Sabbath is really about- God's holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord. Isa58:13 made for man, the word Jesus used means mankind in Greek and Adam in Hebrew. mat2:27 that started at Creation thus saith the Lord Exo20:11 when there was not Jew or Israel just man and God.

I do not need to prove the Sabbath is a commandment of God, because God said so and I have provided a plethora of Scripture. You would need to prove where God said we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment and where He transferred the power that comes with the Sabbath- His sanctification and blessings from the Sabbath, to the first day. God already spoke on this matter, He wrote it Himself, if we can't believe God's own Testimony Exo31:18 and said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19, what I say will not mean anything.

Take care.

Postvieww said:

Truth is sometimes hard to refute. Cartoons won’t cut it. Have a nice Thanksgiving.

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Yelling "Wrong!!!" is not "the truth". You have a good thanksgiving as well.

Always in His Presence said:

Airline catering workers block traffic and cause disruptions at protest near LAX

Airline catering workers blocked traffic and caused disruptions near Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles on Tuesday. They protested what they alleged were unsafe working conditions and a “mistreatment” of workers by the company Flying Food Group.​

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Workers lined the streets of LAX to bring attention to their claims. They blocked traffic and caused chaos on one of the busiest traveling days of the year. Some air travelers were caught in the protest and expressed frustration at the demonstrators, fearing they would miss their flights.​

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this is a labor action, not politics.

BNR32FAN said:

The largest portion of the government’s revenue is going to be coming from companies who are only paying a small portion of their profits in taxes which is somehow supposed to be enough to redistribute back to consumers

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Move to Europe or Canada and maybe even Japan (if you don't fear North Korea, Russia, China, and random Kaijus).. The only FEW places on Earth UBI might work. However, this reprieve is only temporary.

It's not going to work in USA when the system is strongly favoring the rich over the poor unlike in Europe.

And realistically-speaking, UBI will not work globally - it will destabilize global economy and may even end up in WWIII. Either way, UBI or not, we may just head towards WWIII when global anarchy breaks loose when more people lose jobs and mounting tensions.

The main reason nothing will work is simply because the global production and resources won't be able to tend to all the needs of all 8 billion people in the planet. It works for now because the poor is absorbing the majority of the burden of balancing resource consumption. But if more people gets poor, tensions will be inevitable.

We'll have a class war on our hands, rich vs poor and it can easily become nuclear.

A nuclear Armageddon is inevitable. Or we invent the warp drive and starts colonizing habitable planets in other star systems before that happens.

Bottom line is there's just way too many people on Earth. UBI or even banning AI isn't the solution if we keep growing in numbers uncontrollably like cancer. Ironically, Christians are partly to blame in this problem for failing to see the context of God's command: "multiply in numbers" which doesn't literally always mean reproduction as Jesus reiterated later. I'm not saying reproduction is bad, use sound wisdom. We still need to bear 2 kids per couple to maintain population numbers.

Please pray for my son Jakeb again. He still isn't feeling well. Please ask God to heal him and help him be happy and if it is His will let me hear him talk to his friends or laugh tonight. Please pray that there is nothing seriously wrong. I ask for healing mind and body. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you. Carmen.