Guojing said:

Pentecost was a Jewish festival, no gentiles will be coming into Jerusalem (Acts 2:5), and Peter was only speaking to "Men of Israel" (Acts 2:14).

So the Body of Christ did not begin at Pentecost, God was adding the believing Jews into little flock.

As for your point about natural vs spiritual Israel, are you using Romans 9:6 to form that kind of distinction?

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Yes, the Jesus believing Jews received the Promise owed to them first. Then the Gentiles. And along the way, all who were true OT believers, had the Gospel preached to them and believed (all that the Father gives Me )see Romans 8:29. We see this through out the book of Acts. This is the transition. The birth of the Church. The first to be baptized with the Holy spirit are the first to be placed into Christ. This is why we call Pentecost the birth of the Church. Gentiles were added too. True OT believing Gentiles. See Lydia, Cornelius. To name a few. These were true Gentile OT believers who were predestined (Romans 8:29) to be conformed to Christ likeness. The sheep.

Anyways, follow...

OT--Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He [Jesus] who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

OT Acts 1:4-5 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, "which," He said, "you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now." ---(at Pentecost)

Without the Holy Spirit, not justified, not born again, only the promise of it to those who believed.

OT John 12: 32-33 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." This He said, signifying by what death He would die.

" the believers in Samaria who were converted under the ministry of Philip had to wait a short while to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit, until Peter and John came up to Samaria and laid hands on the converts (Acts 8:17). In that unique transitional situation as the Church was beginning, those particular believers had to wait for the Holy Spirit, but they were not told to seek Him. The purpose for that exception was to demonstrate to the apostles, and to bring word back to the Jewish believers in general, that the same Holy Spirit baptized and filled Samaritan believers as baptized and filled Jewish believers--just a short while later Peter and a few other Jewish Christians were sent to witness to Cornelius and his household in order to be convinced that the gospel was for all men and to see that "the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also"(Acts 10:44-45). Those special transitional events did not represent the norm, as our present text makes clear, but were given to indicate to all that the body was one"....

"Why did the Samaritans (and later the Gentiles) have to wait for the apostles before receiving the Spirit? For centuries, the Samaritans and the Jews had been bitter rivals. If the Samaritans had received the Spirit independent of the Jerusalem, that rift would have been perpetuated. There could well have been two separate churches, a Jewish church and a Samaritan church. But God had designed one church, in which "there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female," but "all are one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:2.)...

By delaying the Spirit's coming until Peter and John arrived, God preserved the unity of the church. The apostles needed to see for themselves, and give firsthand testimony to the Jerusalem church, that the Spirit came upon the Samaritans. The Samaritans also needed to learn that they were subject to apostolic authority. The Jewish believers and Samaritans were thus linked together in one body....

Today, believers receive the Spirit at salvation (cf.1 Cor. 12:13). There was no need for delay after Jews, Gentiles, Samaritans, and Old Testament saints were already included in the church. (Macarthur)

reBoot said:

Yes, that's just one aspect of it (as a mockery of Christ).

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How exactly is it a mockery of Christ?

Aryeh Jay said:

No.

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Well since I'm the only one here who just recently told you I'm in my 60s maybe you can see how I might come to that conclusion. What did you actually mean?

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We did open enrollment this week. My plan actually dropped 20 bucks but vision and dental went up so I'm paying the same. 370 every two weeks. 740 per month.

samaus123456789 said:

yeh what i said is right. the first beast in rev 13 is the synagogue of satans messiah and the mark is the hexagram. I posted all the bible verses then they tell you themselves in that video. AI will not help you with this like I said if you paste what I wrote into chat gpt it says it is not true and not what the bible teaches lol.

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ChatGPT does not have the authority over God's Word. I provided what ChatGPT said previously and you disagreed. So obviously its not infallible if your chat said something different than mine. I mainly quoted Scriptures and they are never wrong. It literally spells out what the mark of the beast is over- our worship. Don't you think that's the heart of the issue with God- if our worship to Him is genuine or not. He said we must worship Him in truth and spirit. John4:23-24 Only God defines His Truth, not us.

The problem:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

The antidote found in the next verse:
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here[h] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus

God's versions not what the beast changed Dan7:25

Jesus defined false worship for us so we don't have to and its all related Mat7:7-13 Mat15:3-14, the only way to safeguard us to to be faithful to God and obey Him because whoever we obey is who we serve (worship) Rom6:16

samaus123456789 said:

When it says the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation producing its fruit the greek word is ethnos ethne which when referring to non israelite peoples elsewhere gets rendered as gentiles which is what Jesus was saying.

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Are you aware that, in scripture, the singular nation only refers to the nation of Israel?

And that, whenever gentile nations are referred to, it is always nations in the plural?

RileyG said:

What the heck! How is that possible and legal? UGH!

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Anything seems to be possible and legal these days in post covid "twilight zone" America. Enemies of the United States from within (in and out of power) seem determined to transform our country into a dystopian society.

samaus123456789 said:

the greek writers never claims to be writing on behalf of the god of abraham / adam / eve (except the sybils which also are not pseudepigrapha well not for the wise) nor do they prophecy jesus like enoch does (well the sybils did)

1 enoch mentions adam and eves sin. it says the cause of the flood was the angels having sex with women.
Isaiah 45 1 God himself calls cyrus king of persia the messiah! blasphemy according to you! enoch was a shadow of jesus like solomon was the star of david in the ot a shadow of jesus same with cyrus. jesus is the star of david in the NT rev 22 16. some people think it should say 'he is that son of man' because in the surrounding verses it is referring to someone else not enoch himself. it doesnt bother me either way
you are ignorant of the scriptures delvianna like the sadducees were. this is why important books like 1 enoch are hidden and why jesus said dont throw your pearl before swine because you mock them. 1 enoch is not for you. is is only for the wise.
all of 1 enoch was written pre flood and none was written after
I am not hyper preterist and apparently you do not know what preterism is. rev 13-22 is future. you likely do not know the structure of the book of revelation yet still comment on it.

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I want you to take a step back and re-read what you just wrote. I want you to recognize the arrogance for what it is.

You say 'Enoch is not for you, it is only for the wise,' yet you simultaneously compare me to the Sadducees while misinterpreting Isaiah 45, claiming 'Messiah' when the text clearly states 'anointed', which is not even remotely the same thing.

Your attitude is dripping with condescension as you attack me personally instead of the argument. True wisdom is marked by humility (proverbs 11:2), as God gifted (proverbs 2:6), and not from a heretical book. But due to your attitude, I'm going to move on.

I dont trust Fox news to accurately report on a rival critter.

I was thinkin': "Is the value of Life truly appreciated in the Hunger Games books?" After all, this is a book & movie series about a nation that thought it necessary to literally have children fight to the death on national government sponsored TV. It may try to hint at God supporting certain characters like Katniss or Peeta (even Snow) and how that has affected their choices in life and the people around them. But I wonder if the idea that God values all human life is properly represented here if at all. You see (despite reading/watching the whole series), I don't know if Collins actually articulates clearly how all the characters in the series have value according to God. In essence, how we the readers or viewers can genuinely empathize with the actions that all the characters make or participate in by knowing how God loves these people and how they reject or accept His Love. If you know the series, what are your thoughts on this?

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Always in His Presence said:

If he were forty or fifty times more incompetent he could be a presidential candidate for the other party.

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Lol no argument there.

keras said:

@samaus123456789 -
1/ The lost House of Irael is not yet rejoined with Judah. 3000 is not 'as many as the sands of the sea'.
2/ The Davidic Kingdom is not yet restored. Jesus hasn't Returned yet.
3/ What happened in 70 to 135AD, was just the conquest and dispersion of Judah.
4/ Christians are Gods Peoples, - 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10 From every tribe, race, nation and language.
5/ The Israeli flag displays the star of Rephaim. An ancient Satanic symbol.
6/ The joke about the 'lost tribes' now returning to the Jewish State of Israel, is that their qualification is to believe in Judaism.

Anyone who thinks you should be banned, must support their own beliefs with scriptural and other proofs,

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It said although they were like the sand of the sea only a remnant would be saved. there was 7000 back at elijahs time. NT times the remnant was the 144 000 in rev 7 all saved via belief in jesus by 70 ad. rev 1-12 happened 70 ad rev 13-22 is future
2 the book of acts cites the prophecy in amos saying i will return and rebuild the tents of david. according to acts the davidic kingdom was restored on pentecost
3 70 ad was gods biggest judgement on OT israel in history and the end of OT israel never to come back again
4yes
5yes it is the mark of the beast i have a post on it
6 the lost tribes were lost from 700 bc until 30-70 ad pentecost regathered then all remnant israel was saved by 70 ad. james 1 says "to the 12 tribes among the nations"
a lot of christians dont like this. the christian zionists. they support the synagogue of satan religion regardless of what jesus or the bible says

Pretty sharp mess of stuff. What caliber is the rifle?

PloverWing said:

I am not convinced that flunking students and firing teaching assistants is a constructive way to engage in dialogue about controversial topics.

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That’s fair. I think when it comes to controversy, both sides of the issue must be presented in an unbiased, non-emotional manner. If I’m making any sense.

Unqualified said:

Please help him to look to you o God, the almighty, the eternal, the supernatural God for our needs for what we can’t do and only you can. Help us the to keeping turning to the one who can do all through us. In Jesus Name.

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Thank you! God bless!

Cosmic Charlie said:

You guys gotta help me here.

I read the article.

What is the crisis ? I'm serious.

Maybe as an American my "crisis" threshold has gone up but...

.... I see a Theological disagreement and a lot of talk about Islam (which I thought was weird given the topic of the article). But I honestly don't a crisis.

What am I missing ?

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A possible schism is always a crisis. That would be my main concern for the salvation of souls.

Mark, how are your eyes? I might have to get cataract surgery done soon. Was it uncomfortable…

iluvatar5150 said:

Those charts show that the growth in liberal votes came predominantly from the ranks of the “mixed”. From 1994-2015, conservatives lost some ground among people with graduate degrees and a HS diploma, but stayed about the same with “some college” and college degrees.

Maybe there’s something about contemporary conservatism that turns off people who’d previously been moderates.

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Or they're only being given one viewpoint.

If it was purely case where something about conservatism was turning moderates off, then the pattern wouldn't be more pronounced the longer they stay in college, correct?

If there's something about conservativism that's off-putting to moderates, then I wouldn't expect having a PhD vs. a Bachelors to impact that the way the chart reflects.

I'd venture a guess and say that most college kids on the Master's and PhD path in public colleges aren't getting exposed to a whole lot of conservatism to begin with. However, they probably are getting exposed to a lot of "conservatives are evil" rhetoric while they're there.

A Devil's Advocate said:

I recognize a time past as in we all have a past. That is what I see Paul referring to. His own personal history, but withing this present age.

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But as that passage goes, you do agree that, before Paul was saved, we gentiles were cut off from God and have no hope, without becoming part of Israel?

Well,

Smoking is bad for you.

Here's a few older pieces about this subject from The Atlantic and TIME.





I think this echoes some of the things I had mentioned last year.

Which is that "body positivity" movement didn't actually believe their own bovine excrement, they just want to attach some sort of "virtue" to the concept of excusing the lack of will power and poor decisions.

"Healthy at any size!" "Big is beautiful!" "You're perfect just the way you ar..... wait.... what's that? There's now an effort-free way to lose weight for $60/month with an injection and I can still eat stuff I like until I feel full and lose 50 pounds in 6 months? Ummm nevermind, I'm going to get some GLP-1s, can you believe how amazing I look after I lost weight?"

essentialsaltes said:

We had that a couple times already on immigration, and Trump has blown up the bipartisan deal each time.

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It's sad they had any Republicans on that ridiculous bill that promoted more, not less, illegals into the country. That's why it was already dead on arrival in the House. Don't you remember they even falsely claimed Joe could not act to stop the flow of immigration without new legislation?