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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

1. I am happy for anyone to quote whatever texts they like
2. I notice you objected to the texts I quote right out of the gate as though the mere quote of the text was a problem for your view.

I find that "instructive"


Hence my quote of the "eternal fire text in Matt 25 in my earlier post.


yep there it was with the added "eternal fire" texts that it seems you are still trying to avoid, even though they fit with Matt 25 perfect.
How "instructive" for the reader
Matt. 25 is not talking about Sodom and Gomorrah hence the reason why I started with this verse. Your association between this verse and the verses in Jude and 2 Peter is pure speculation.

Secondly, the material burns and turns to ashes but not the immaterial. The same as our bodies decompose in the ground but our souls do not.
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Walking that Straight narrow path.

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“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

The narrow gate is Jesus and the only way to enter by the narrow gate, is by belief in Jesus for Eternal Life.

The way is difficult because people believe belief in Jesus is not the way. They believe they must repent of sin, be obedient, be baptized, etc... So they are not believing in Jesus, but is actions they do.
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Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

Are you saying that fraud is a part of their heritage and we should respect it as a part of their enriching culture?
I asked you a question....so no..i wouldn't be saying anything.

It's telling you're unwilling to answer so simple of a question.

Take that self awareness with you.
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The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

1. It's Fiction
2. The end indicates it is a dream.
3. The clip is mocking people like you.

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Nice try, but no. ^^ I trust in i-word aka secret society to telling us stuff in forward.

This is nice example of that. :) i-word - card game ......

From - 1980s. :D
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Hail storms

I live in Logan City (west) so a bit of distance from you in Redcliffe. I didn't play last year, but I played Masters Hockey for some years in the Brisbane competition. We would sometimes have a game in Redcliffe (fairly close to the hospital) which was annoying as it was a long way to go for a hockey game! (66 kms plus return)

I think the climate has changed a bit locally. Like you I can remember the clockwork storms (Newmarket in those days). It would be hot and steamy; the storm would sweep in and cool everything down. But the next morning the heat and humidity would be back.

I think the northside is more prone to storms generally than the southside of Brisbane but that's just my opinion. The weather bureau might have a different opinion.

I also think the westerly winds that used to hit during RNA week in August are nowhere near as strong as they used to be. At one time you could almost set your August calendar by their appearance, but now they hardly seem to be noticeable.

I think the climate is changing.
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Dream of an attack

In this dream, I visited USA in LA as a tourist. We have relatives in LA so I stayed at their house. Then I saw live news of an attack also in LA just several blocks away our relative's house.

At first the authorities say a gas line had ruptured in small business compound and they sent firetrucks and police to handle the situation but they were quickly overcome by what seemed like a deliberate attack and then they sent the National guard who started shooting heavy ammunition towards the compound and they themselves were defeated as well.

It seems whatever they're shooting at inside the building is invulnerable to heavy machine gun fire which penetrated the building structure but not whatever is attacking inside. The National guard then retreated and attack seemed to cease.

With my utter curiosity, me and my sister walked towards ground-zero of the attack which has been cleared of all police, fire trucks, and the army as if nothing had happened. There were people (civilians) who are already at the building that's the source of the attack who appeared friendly and surprisingly invited us in.

We met the owner of the building who is an old man. He had lots of big dogs who barked at us at first but eventually became friendly. Then the old man showed us the source of the attacks and they were 9 to 10 ft tall ape-like creatures with dark gray hair who stood upright who looked like yetis and were very muscular.

They attacked with an unknown energy beam that came from their bodies. The creatures were gathering at the grounds of the building. We approached them but they seemed indifferent. Ironically, they looked harmless and didn't seem to care about our presence.

We then spent the night in one of the nearby houses of one of the people were there who gathered with the creatures. Past midnight, me and my sister returned to the compound where the creatures are gathering. The big dogs came to welcome us. and we saw the creatures who were now in formation, poised to do something. Then simultaneously, they fired their energy beams towards the neighborhood where we took a nap. The ground collapsed beneath the entire neighborhood, including the ground beneath the compound. It caused a massive landslide and took us with it. Incredibly, nobody died but I lost everything we brought with the trip, including my work laptop and phone! :( I worried a lot about my work that I'm going to miss a day or more and finding a way to let my bosses know without my stuff and having to guess their emails!

It's really ironic when I'm worried about my work more when it seems the world is about to ended by a bunch of bullet-proof Yetis with superpowers.

The yetis then vanished somehow but with the entire USA in panic and the army mobilized expecting another, possibly bigger attack.

The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

I did before I posted. (checks again) Yep. Still the same:

"A girl or young woman who exhibits masculine traits through her activities, behaviors and style."
Please note it is referring to a girl or young woman. Which has always been a reference to their sex. And this girl exhibits masculine traits, which is typically a reference she likes to do things boys like to do, such as hunt, fish, wrestle or play tackle football. The question quickly becomes is can't you be a girl inside and out and still like to do those things?
Why is trans OK with you if you get to call a trans person a "Tomboy? instead of a "boy?" If being trans is a sin, it's a sin whether you call a trans person a tomboy or a boy. Could you also say "butch" or "dyke" without offending your religious sensibilities?
Who calls a trans person a tomboy? What in earth is your point here? Where did you get the idea that tomboys are trans? Can't some girls like some boy things and still be girls? Who made the rule that if you are a tomboy you must be trans? (Or even lesbian).
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

For all those Christ died His death exclusively for them acquired:

The invalidation and dissolution of death of his power, Heb. 2:14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

2Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

All for whom Christ died He will make alive from the dead, even spiritual death, it for them has been invalidated.9
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Please pray for my father in law and my wifes family.

Yeah I heard about that im sorry for your loss too. I remember seeing about his loss in October. Not sure if I replied to the thread or not i cant remember but Jeanette and I have been praying for your sister in law too. How's your sister in law been coping with the loss?
She is still going on crying jags. It’s hard. We’ve been helping her with the financial aspect of things, death certificates, etc. We’ll be contacting an attorney this week to help walk her through the legalities for her protection and security.
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A Conversion Journey

I don't mean to sound vain, but truth be told, I was highly intelligent from a very young age. At just over 24 hours old, with no training in mathematics, this little single cell was already doing division.

Those first nine months were the best months of my life. I was comfortable, warm and safe. Everything was soft, peaceful and quiet. [fart joke deleted] It was like being in a paradisiacal Garden. No rent, no mortgage. I toiled not for my food, it was given like manna from Heaven. I didn't even have to breathe! How cool is that? It was like what 20 year old Communists think Communism is like as long as they've never endured it.

Very early on though, I did have a slightly disappointing notion that I was meant for something more. Don't get me wrong, there's no shame in being in utero. It's just that I felt my potential was somewhat limited.

Eventually, like the Jews in the wilderness, I started complaining. The accomodations were not to my liking. I began to get restless. At about 20 weeks, I began moving. But there was nowhere to move to.

Then one day, something strange happened. I had the sensation of being pushed, and although they were muffled, I could hear the anguished cries, screams, yells, grunts and moans of someone who was obviously being tortured. "May God curse the cruel person responsible for inflicting such torment!" said I.

On a sudden, I realized I was being pushed towards the place (whatever a "place" is) from which this weeping and gnashing of teeth emanated. I was sure I was dying, and if I wasn't dying, I wanted no part of this place.

So I devised a plan. I managed to turn myself around 180 degrees from the direction towards which I was being pushed. That way, I could use my feet to brace against the forward motion. In the process I managed to wrap my umbilical cord around my neck. My memory is foggy; I can't recall if this was an accident or a suicide attempt.

In any event, my plan was foiled. My mother later told me that the doctor decided at the last minute that he had to do an emergency C-section to save both our lives. Afterwards the doctor told my mom that it was the longest, bloodiest and most dangerous C-section he'd ever done.* Mom never forgave me for that, and loved to remind me of it on every birthday of mine.

The only other things I remember of that day are being cold, and being physically assaulted by a slap to the butt, completely unprovoked. This was not good. Then I knew that man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.

* The stuff about trying to come out feet first, getting the cord around my neck, and the bloody C-section is true.
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Father, sons drowned teen daughter over her ‘Western lifestyle’

Are you serious?

It's literally THE most common murder: a loved one.

I mean, I'd agree it's messed up to murder your own family members. But THAT is the messed up part; the reasoning behind it is inconsequential to me.
London England:

The Metropolitan Police (Greater London) has recorded a high number of general "honour-based abuse" (HBA) incidents. In 2021-2022, they documented 1,213 cases, which included two attempted murders, 32 rapes, and 310 cases of forced marriage.

‘Honour-based’ offences soared by 81% in last five years | Crime | The Guardian ‘Honour-based’ offences soared by 81% in last five years

....As the Muslim population increases, 'honor offenses' increase. Facts.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Even the killing of Osama bin Laden seemed dubious to me, and he was a bona fide terrorist leader.

Those were both known individuals with serious evidence against them, not anonymous alleged drug smugglers. Tell me, was al-
Farekh summarily gunned down when he was captured, or did he stand trial? You know the answer.

From a soldier's viewpoint, if Obama or Trump are doing wrong, it's for Congress to call them on it.

The soldier is responsible for what's in front of him: A bad guy caught doing bad guy things is a valid target. Whether or not Congress wanted me there at that time to catch that bad guy doing bad things and targeting him is not something I'm accountable for.
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Hymn "O Come O Come Emmanuel"

It is one of my favorites, too. My parish is using it as the Communion Hymn for all 4 Sundays. We're also singing the Missa Emmanuel Holy, Holy, Memorial Acclamation, Amen, and Lamb of God. The instrumental accompaniment at the Mass at which I serve is piano, trumpet, acoustic guitar, and double bass.

The one tune we're not doing this Advent that I really miss is Conditur alma siderium / Creator of the stars of night. I prefer it a cappella in either Latin or English.

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Lady: Are you the police?
Elwood Blues: No, ma'am, we're musicians ... We're on a mission from God.
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Game based on Bible passage about killing everything that breathes

Isn't making a game that glorifies violence
At the start there is now a title screen which asks if you want blood and gore or not. If you choose no it goes to the "Unbrutal Bible Bubblebaths" title screen and there is no blood or chopping. Originally I had groans and sighs instead of screaming but a Christian gave a negative review saying things like:
"...the game fails to demonstrate the real suffering that took place in Philistia and Phoenicia"
So that is why I added screams of agony.
and sexual immorality a gross sin against the Lord?
I don't think it is glorifying sexual immorality because the soldiers and you need to kill those people.
The LORD examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates those who love violence. Psalm 11:5
It is cartoonish though. Also there are a large number of games that glorify violence like the Doom games and Mortal Kombat. But I'm including gameplay that is based on Bible passages.
The Bible does not glorify violence.
Rather, these accounts are there that we can learn from them how God feels about them, and the consequences.
Well what you and the soldiers do involves the consquences.
In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire. Jude 1:7
Well in the gameplay you are the punishment for those kinds of things.
If God did not recount these things for his people, they would not have clear examples that would help them avoid falling into the same conduct.
Now these things took place as examples for us, that we might not desire evil as they did. 1 Corinthians 10:6

I have in mind making a game based on the Bible, but it will be playable by all - adults and children, and both entertaining and educational.
I will certainly not be glorifying what God hates.
I thought I'd portray things that are normally ignored in Bible games, etc. If there was no "Sinful Temple" in the game then the player wouldn't really understand why they need to kill everything that breathes.
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