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Say it aint so · 2025-12-13T11:26:34-0600

Vambram said:
There are lots of cultures all over the world that live in sinful practices. There are also cultures of people who have immigrated to nations without assimilating to that nation.

Perhaps Christians in America should be more careful as to whom we invite into the USA. Perhaps Christians in every nation ought not invite people whom won't assimilate into that nation.

Didn't know Jesus placed qualifiers on taking care of the least of us. What verses are those? All across American different cultures have their pockets of communities. Little Italy scattered across the east coast Little Poland in Chicago. Korean Towns all over. Pockets of Ukrainian Churches and markets where I live in the Seattle area. Every culture does in America. To NOT take care of the least of us IS a sinful practice according to Jesus.

Hans Blaster · 2025-12-13T11:24:37-0600

stevevw said:
The so called Dark Ages is a conspiracy in itself lol.

The "Dark Ages" might be a misnomer or mischaracterization, but it is not a "conspiracy".

stevevw said:
Christianity was continuing to grow, new Kingdoms emerging and other developements. Christianity did not just disappear lol.

No one claims Christianity "disappeared" in the Dark Ages, it was learning and good record keeping that "disappeared" as political systems fragmented into smaller polities. There is a similar "Greek Dark Ages" prior to the Classical period after the Late Bronze Age Collapse where Greek history and culture are hard to track.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-13T11:23:53-0600

Apple Sky said:
Do you have any idea which post it was now ?

It was your post; you should know where it is.
It's only two pages back; post #2,835.

narnia59 · 2025-12-13T11:23:09-0600

Always in His Presence said:
There are a number of references I'd like you to look at:

first reference

Acts 19:1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”

So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”

3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”

So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”

4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. 7 Now the men were about twelve in all.

Notice - Paul is speaking with disciples - (saved) -

1. They are already had experienced the baptism into repentance -

2. Then Paul Baptized them a second time in the Name of the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit came upon them.

Second reference -

Heb 6:1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Baptisms - plural.

Third reference:

John 20:21 21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

They received the Holy Spirit - then later -

Acts 1: 4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Three distinct and very plainly written Scriptures - each demonstrating more than one Baptism.

look again at

Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Is it possible that the subject of the sentence is our entrance into the Body of Christ and yes, there is one Baptism into Christ - but as evidenced by Paul's own writings and actions - there was another where the Holy Spirit was involved.

If your answer is no - them please explain the above notated Scriptures.

I will no longer engage in discussion with you. You refuse to answer basic questions and deflect.

If you want to go back and answer the question I asked in post #7 and at least 3 other subsequent times, then we can talk. As long as you continue to ignore my questions, I have no interest in any further discussion. So, totally up to you.

timothyu · 2025-12-13T11:22:01-0600

David Lamb said:
The oversight of the church have authority based on God's word.

Says them. Yet the Kingdom often takes a back seat to the affairs of man.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-13T11:17:49-0600

Factotum said:
...

FACT: Tish accused Trump of 'real estate and bank' criminality for dishonestly attempting to secure more-friendlier loans/lower rates, from the bank.
FACT: Trump is now accusing Tish of 'real estate and bank' criminality for dishonestly attempting to secure more-friendlier loans/lower rates, from the bank.

Tish sued Trump on the behalf of the state of NY and won a judgement against Trump. The court ruled Trump was indeed, and just like the Trump Org felony conviction, was fraudulently cooking the books. But what can we expect from someone who had their foundation and university shut down for again, fraud. The statements from his ex-lawyer at a congressional hearing that give birth to investigation: "It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes, such as trying to be listed amongst the wealthiest people in Forbes, and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes,”

Come the Tish allegations, since that what they just are. The insurance lawyer who stepped in to replace the AG, who quit after refusing to bring charges seeing there were no charges to bring, is failing to make her case for the third time. I already showed you how both cases in Va and NY how those claims are bogus.

Those aren't even close to being the same.

RDKirk · 2025-12-13T11:16:38-0600

durangodawood said:
Thanks for including us on this signal chat.

Nice, on a couple of levels.

Michie · 2025-12-13T11:16:21-0600

Just trying to break the definition of what a good and faithful Catholic means.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-12-13T11:13:45-0600

Rather than asking hard questions about our political beliefs and theology we superimpose them with little thought. The Left, however, seems far less concerned about religious concerns. Maybe because they try to tolerate even champion all religions, cultures and lifestyles. And that, pn the surface, seems to challenge Christian norms.

NxNW · 2025-12-13T11:11:24-0600

Factotum said:
Instead of what you say here, I think it's best if I go with the opinions of those scholars and experts over at the Hoover Institute.

I'll go with the judge and jury, thank you very much.

Rose_bud · 2025-12-13T11:11:21-0600

This is a beautiful and encouraging dream. I would encourage you to consider all the actions you described about yourself in the dream. And then consider those of Jesus. He is ready to teach and counsel, waiting, patient, not hurried. Even the lighting in his presence and the room you were in was not overstimulating. He knows you and is waiting.

durangodawood · 2025-12-13T11:08:32-0600

eleos1954 said:
I think this is ridiculous .... a good place to hold meetings/functions by the white house is needed .... it also provides for a more secure place. It's not just going to be a "dance hall".

Is that what the lawsuit is about? No ballroom no matter what?

chevyontheriver · 2025-12-13T11:06:00-0600

Servus said:
It was a joke, those two are very ultra processed. I should've said Cheese Whiz, that would've been funnier. The simple rule is eat single ingredient foods. The ingredients of an apple are an apple for example. Along with if God didn't make it, don't eat it.

Cheeze Whiz on Pop Tarts?

Hentenza · 2025-12-13T10:58:56-0600

HIM said:
It is not a theory. You are being shown the text and the facts therein. Couple that with the fact that the verse 3 makes no sense any other way. It would be a contradiction within the text itself if the if which is in the text was not translated so. For how could we who do enter into rest, enter therein if God sworn in His wrath that we shall not?

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Again, the vast majority of translations do not translate it your way. You are not a Bible scholar with full competency in Greek so I’m going to go with the experts. In fact I find it quite interesting that the KJV and NKJV differ although both are translated using the same text.

eleos1954 · 2025-12-13T10:57:48-0600

MarcusGregor said:
Trump administration says sign language services 'intrude' on Trump's ability to control his image

The Trump administration argues that providing real-time American Sign Language interpretation for events like White House press briefings would intrude on the president’s control over his public image.

apnews.com

The Trump administration is arguing that requiring real-time American Sign Language interpretation of events like White House press briefings “would severely intrude on the President’s prerogative to control the image he presents to the public,” part of a lawsuit seeking to require the White House to provide the services.

Department of Justice attorneys haven’t elaborated on how doing so might hamper the portrayal President Donald Trump seeks to present to the public. But overturning policies encompassing diversity, equity and inclusion have become a hallmark of his second administration, starting with his very first week back in the White House.

The National Association for the Deaf sued the Trump administration in May, arguing that the cessation of American Sign Language interpretation — which the Biden administration had used regularly — represented “denying hundreds of thousands of deaf Americans meaningful access to the White House’s real-time communications on various issues of national and international import.” The group also sued during Trump’s first administration, seeking ASL interpretation for briefings related to the COVID-19 pandemic.

What image is that, Mr. President?

I think it should be available..

eleos1954 · 2025-12-13T10:50:10-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5645133-supreme-court-second-amendment-challenges/

An unusually large pileup of Second Amendment challenges has landed at the Supreme Court, which will consider taking up the cases behind closed doors Friday.

It would add to what is already a major term for gun rights. The justices previously agreed to hear two cases early next year that involve whether unlawful drug users can carry firearms and Hawaii’s gun permitting regime.

I have mixed feeling about these. I'll explain why.

Preface: Scotus can only evaluate what's presented to them and elevated to their court, not perfect world scenarios to make new legal stipulations.

Hawaii and similar states having a "may issue" permitting system.

The two sides of that coin, a person pays the application fees, spends money to dot all of the I's and cross all the T's, and then an issuing agency says "Nah, sorry, we're not going to give you a carry permit".

The flip side, an issuing agency has guys like this show up:
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"Hi, I passed the background check did the paperwork, the gremlins who live in my closet said I should carry a gun, rabbit skins feel nice don't they...anyway...can I have my permit please?"

...perhaps some discretion is a good thing in some instances.

On the "felon" stuff...I've long maintained that people with non-violent felonies (like cooking the books) are less of a public threat than a person with violent misdemeanors on their record, and shouldn't be denied the right of self defense. The problem is, SCOTUS has a narrow scope to work with to establish precedent and isn't involving that sort of nuance to make the distinction between violent and non-violent felonies, and I certainly don't want former armed robbers being legally licensed to carry.

As far as the drug users thing, that's also too broad. Despite marijuana being closer to alcohol on the "risk spectrum", its lumped in with PCP and heroin (federally), so SCOTUS striking down laws on behalf of some casual pot users could have the negative effect of allowing some hardcore drug users to get their hands on guns.

I think anyone with a Class D felony should get a automatic 5 year loss of gun rights ... if no other offenses during that time their gun rights restored.

A-C they permanently lose their gun rights.

Conceal carry should be allowed nation-wide.

bbbbbbb · 2025-12-13T10:45:43-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
I am assuming you are speaking of EGW, I only quoted Scripture. What activities on the Sabbath did she promote that is in violation of what God said we should do on the Sabbath. Please stop making vague accusations and provide what you are speaking about. Remember, we are accountable for any false testimony we have against others.

Actually, there was nothing at all that the Pharisees did that violated any of the Law. Their problem was that they added their own traditions to the Law, as many have done since, not merely Mrs. White.

Which of Mrs. White's additional traditions have you personally rejected?

Michie · 2025-12-13T10:45:12-0600

Continued prayers for you!

Rose_bud · 2025-12-13T10:44:54-0600

BrotherJJ said:
Rev 7:
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
(PARSING: 144k sealed from ALL the TRIBES of the Children of Jacob/ISRAEL.)

5 Of the tribe of Juda, Reuben & Gad .

6 Of the tribe of Aser, Nepthalim & Manassas

7 Of the tribe of Simeon, Levi & Issachar

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon, Joseph & Benjamin
(PARSING: Verses 5-8 confirm 12k ea x 12 tribes = 144,000)

Gen 32:28 God changed Jacob's name to Israel. The 12 tribes of Israel are Jacob's sons. Each son received a land portion (except Levi/Levites they become the priesthood) Joseph receives a double portion of land (Gen 48) And divides it between his 2 sons Ephraim & Manasseh.

Rev 14:
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a 144k, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
(PARSING: These 144k were redeemed from the earth)

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
(PARSING: "Redeemed From Among Men" being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God & to the Lamb)

Parsing vs 4
(A) 144k ALL VIRGINS)
(B) These 144k were REDEEMED from AMONG MEN)
(C) Being FIRSTFRUITS onto God & to the Lamb.

1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
(PARSING: Christ is 1st to rise/resurrected from the grave)

Matt 27:
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
(PARSING: Jesus dies)

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
(PARSING: Jesus rips the Temple veil in 1/2 on the way to paradise)

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(PARSING: Many saints are resurrected)

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
(PARSING: After Jesus rises 1st, many saints rise, REREADING Rev 14:1-4, 144k > FIRSTFRUITS, "Redeemed From Among Men")

Hey BrotherJJ :wave:

I like how you have connected the firstfruits to those who rose to life with Jesus.

Have you considered the connection between Rev 6 and Rev 7

9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

3Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

(DAN is missing from the list) The tribe of Dan is known as the apostate tribe... I understand that the author (John) may be revealing what is hidden. Those who are sealed are those who persevere and continue in the faith even through trials and tribulations.

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

From this, I understand the 144000 were those of Israel who did not reject the Messiah, the prophets, etc, who died for his name...

But Paul says something profound in Hebrews 11 (bearing in mind this chapter is all about tribulation)
39These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-13T10:44:52-0600

essentialsaltes said:
US veterans agency lost thousands of ‘core’ medical staff under Trump, records show
Departures are exacerbating existing shortages and creating ‘very unsafe’ conditions for patients, veterans and health workers say

U.S. Veterans Affairs agency plans as many as 35,000 health-care job cuts this month, Washington Post reports

The cuts come after the agency cut about 30,000 jobs in July [previous story, more or less]

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs plans to eliminate as many as 35,000 health-care positions this month, the Washington Post reported on Saturday, citing an internal memo, Veterans Affairs staffers and congressional aides.

Reuters could not immediately confirm the report.

“The health-care system is eliminating about 26,400 of its open jobs, which he described as ‘mostly COVID-era roles that are no longer necessary,’” the Washington Post quoted Veterans Affairs Department spokesperson Pete Kasperowicz as saying.

Michie · 2025-12-13T10:43:32-0600

Activist is also an associate minister of UCC-affiliated Church of the Open Arms, has Universal Life Church minister credentials

The executive director of a Black Lives Matter chapter in Oklahoma has been charged with wire fraud and money laundering involving millions of dollars in donor funds. Federal prosecutors say she used the money for personal travel, shopping and real estate.

Tashella Sheri Amore Dickerson, 52, faces 20 counts of wire fraud and five counts of money laundering for allegedly diverting more than $3.15 million in charitable donations from accounts linked to Black Lives Matter Oklahoma City, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Oklahoma.

The indictment alleges that from June 2020 to at least October 2025, she transferred bail refund checks into personal bank accounts and used the money for expenses unrelated to the group’s stated mission.

Dickerson began leading BLM OKC in 2016.

Continued below.

BLM executive director of OKC chapter charged with fraud, money laundering involving millions in donor funds

The executive director of a Black Lives Matter chapter in Oklahoma has been charged with wire fraud and money laundering involving millions of dollars in donor funds Federal prosecutors say she used

www.christianpost.com

sjastro · 2025-12-13T10:39:24-0600

stevevw said:
I did lol.

There is very little work done of these examples. There was one test on a small sample taken from a site called Tetecacca from the glazed surface. They showed traces of Silicon, Aluminum and Magnesium which is not natural to the stones. It was like a thin glaze over the stone. This is common all the the sites around Peru. Another unusualy feature is that these stones are very magnetic.

The info on the Snake impression starts at around the 7.20 minutes mark if you don't want to watch the short video. It also covers other stones that have been vitified.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u7x6xrGO8I

Looking at only the first few minutes of the video I found it was are riddled with errors.

(1) The rock is made from Andesite which has a MOH hardness 5.5 - 6.5 not 7.0 as reported in the video.
(2) Andesite is an igneous rock, to refer to it as a geopolymer is nonsensical.
(3) Andesite is composed of Plagioclase feldspar, Pyroxene, Hornblende, Biotite, Magnetite, Apatite, Ilmenite, Zircon, Quartz and Olivine.

According to the screenshot in the video the SEM and EDS (Energy-Dispersive X-ray Spectroscopy) spectrum has an 'excessively high level' of iron (Fe).

There is nothing out of the ordinary for the Fe content, of the mineral composition mentioned, the Fe bearing minerals are Pyroxene, Hornblende, Biotite, Magnetite, and Ilmenite.

(4) There is nothing out of the ordinary for Andesite having magnetic properties either given Magnetite is one of the minerals found in Andesite.
(5) The presence of guano which is bat and bird droppings is clearly an external contamination and not a component of the 'geopolymer'.

Whereas the sample from the monument is contaminated by guano, the reference guano EDS spectrum is also clearly contaminated by the presence of silicon (Si) in the form of dust particles.
In the forensic investigation of engine wear of pistons, rings and cylinder walls due to lubrication problems, a main culprit is the external contamination of engine oils from Si in the environment and is found by EDS.

These basic errors where enough to convince me viewing the entire video would have been a waste of time.

rockytopva · 2025-12-13T10:38:32-0600

The human spirit can have a sensation of warmth (E), frequency, and vibration (c2). Unknown, unseen, not measured in pounds or kilograms... But is somehow very pleasantly there..
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essentialsaltes · 2025-12-13T10:30:30-0600

Trump's 'historic' peace deal for DR Congo shattered after rebels seize key city

The US ambassador to the UN has accused Rwanda of leading Africa's Great Lakes region toward war, just over a week after a peace deal was signed in Washington to end the decades-long conflict.

[T]he M23 rebel group says it has "fully liberated" the key city of Uvira in an offensive the US and European powers say is backed by Rwanda. UN experts have previously accused it of having "de facto control" of the rebel force's operations.

The rebels were not signatories to Trump's deal - and have been taking part in a parallel peace process led by Qatar, a US ally.

The M23's new offensive in South Kivu started a few days before Kagame and Tshisekedi flew to Washington last week to ratify the agreement first hammered out in June.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-12-13T10:30:10-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Rudolph also killed people, the "islamists" didn't in that period.

I'm not surprised that you didn't get my point. These lists are dumb. That was my point. The whole thread is about bigotry.

Lists themselves aren't dumb -- if the right metrics are being measured.

If we were having a "dangers of drug use, and public implications" conversation.

A list that aggregates all "illegal drugs" together and treats every negative outcome the same (regardless of severity), then only does simplistic math would be dumb.

A list that separated each individual drug and and the outcomes (and weighed by outcome severity) could be meaningful.

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