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CLEEB · 2025-12-12T06:00:04-0600

Hentenza said:
My decision to engage the legalists is for the benefit of the Christians that only read our website. If we disengage then the only side they will read will be the side of the legalists. The discussions balances the views and exposes the perils of legalism.

I praise the Lord for getting you out of the clutches of legalism. Bless you.

Jesus saves us from the Ten Commandments. Should we if saved go back to the very thing we needed saved from. Isn’t sin the transgression of the law, the Ten Commandments ? Isn’t the wages of breaking the Ten Commandments death ? Doesn’t the letter written on stone kill ? Isn’t the Ten Commandments the ministry of death ? Keeping the Ten Commandments cannot provide salvation. I can prove to a Christian that all people are under the Ten Commandments until they come to Christ. Law keepers cling to the very thing that kills them while claiming to be in Christ who saves them from what they cling to. Law keepers are like the dog returning to its own vomit or the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. Law keepers ignorantly spit in the face of Christ. Scripture says we are bought with a price, we are a purchased possession, what were we bought from, purchased from, it is the old covenant, the Ten Commandments. The only way out from under the death sentence of the Ten Commandments is if a price was paid so that we can PASSOVER into a new covenant. The price was the life of the son of GOD. Law keepers don’t understand and sadly there are others that have only partial knowledge . For ALL, Jews and Gentiles, have sinned, the whole world is guilty before GOD. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, the ministry of death, kills everyone under them but the church is not under the Ten Commandments, the church is under the two Commandments Jesus Christ gave. This is the truth.
JESUS CHRIST SAVES US FROM THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-12-12T05:56:50-0600

rjs330 said:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 1:18, Romans 1:19, Romans 1:20, Romans 1:21, Romans 1:22, Romans 1:23, Romans 1:24, Romans 1:25, Romans 1:26, Romans 1:27, Romans 1:28, Romans 1:29, Romans 1:30, Romans 1:31, Romans 1:32 - American Standard Version

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;

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But I say, Walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would. But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5:16, Galatians 5:17, Galatians 5:18, Galatians 5:19, Galatians 5:20, Galatians 5:21 - American Standard Version

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as becometh saints; nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, or jesting, which are not befitting: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know of a surety, that no fornicator, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no man deceive you with empty words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them; for ye were once darkness, but are now light in the Lord: walk as children of light (for the fruit of the light is in all goodness and righteousness and truth), proving what is well-pleasing unto the Lord; and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them; for the things which are done by them in secret it is a shame even to speak of. But all things when they are reproved are made manifest by the light: for everything that is made manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake, thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall shine upon thee. Look therefore carefully how ye walk, not as unwise, but as wise; redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit; speaking one to another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord; giving thanks always for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;

Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 5:3, Ephesians 5:4, Ephesians 5:5, Ephesians 5:6, Ephesians 5:7, Ephesians 5:8, Ephesians 5:9, Ephesians 5:10, Ephesians 5:11, Ephesians 5:12, Ephesians 5:13, Ephesians 5:14, Ephesians 5:15, Ephesians 5:16, Ephesians

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as becometh saints;

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So if Christian imperatives need to be the laws of the land, then these imperatives need to be as well. If we are going to desire that our state follow the scriptures, the we should desire they use all of them in their governance. I really don't find anything in scripture that says we only have follow the things we want to. The rest is optional. No, thats not there.

This is about the plight of poor, sick and disenfranchised immigrants seeking help in the U.S. Twisting scripture to undermine the number one mandate given to us by Jesus Christ of Nazareth is well...frankly...heart breaking.
Your argument represents a particular interpretation of the relationship between religious obligation and civil law, but it is one that runs contrary to a significant and widely accepted theological understanding of Christian imperatives, especially regarding compassion and social justice.
The idea that helping immigrants, even the undocumented, is not a Christian imperative because the "law of the land somehow overrides that concept of helping faces a contradiction from the core teachings of our Lord. He commanded us to care for the vulnerable , full stop!
You shared a long list of scripural references trying to justify fallacious reasoning. While Christian theology generally mandates obedience to governing authorities, this obedience is typically understood to be limited when a human law directly compels an action that violates an explicit, primary command of God, such as the command to show mercy and help the needy.
Thanks for sharing.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-12T05:55:57-0600

ARBITER01 said:
The Holy Spirit started sending up red flags inside of you about this guy huh?

I've been on this site for a while, and seen a few of these folks come on here for a bit spouting their wrongful personal beliefs, but it doesn't take long for The Holy Spirit to start pointing them out inside.

For instance,...anytime someone makes statements that the reformers (that brought us our bibles that we have in our hands) were just greedy merchants of scripture in the world,.... that's a red flag inside for me, when he is putting down the body of Christ. When someone rejects the scripture sections you offered in discussion, and says that you don't know the Jesus that he does,.... that's another big red flag inside for me also.

Some of these folks that come on here are very deceived, they are not just blinded by satan, their minds are blinded. It's pretty much a waste of time trying to reach them with the truth since they've rejected it, and GOD has further allowed them to believe their lies even more.

I'm certainly not a Calvinist as a Pentecostal, but there are some folks in life we meet at times that are not called.

It's sad to see some professing Christians being offended by some of what the gospel has to say. Nobody has the authority to interpret the gospel, according to their preconceived views and opinions.
The Bible is supposed to read us, meaning we don't get to decide what it's saying. God speaks by His Word, the Holy Bible, and He doesn't need any help to communicate with His people.

prodromos · 2025-12-12T05:45:05-0600

Apple Sky said:
I'm not arguing with something that is so ridiculous.

Unfortunately we are arguing against total nonsense in these flat earth threads.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-12T05:41:50-0600

Apple Sky said:
Don't be silly,

That's how your statement read.
In my reply to another forummer, I said:

Strong in Him said:
I do say that perhaps some people need to learn about Biblical interpretation, different genres of writing etc and realise that the Bible and science are not in competition with one another.

You replied:

Apple Sky said:
Except for NASA & Satan.

So I asked you if you meant that they are in competition with one another.
It wasn't clear what you meant, so I asked the question.

Apple Sky said:
they are both in competition with God.

Now who's being silly?
Lucifer (Satan) once tried to be in competition with God and overcome him. He lost, and was thrown down to earth.
The idea that all 17,000+ NASA employees - including the Christians - are in competition with God is too ridiculous to consider even for a second.
Another random statement with no evidence whatsoever.

Servus · 2025-12-12T05:32:23-0600

I often recommend this video when this kind of topic comes up. Steve Gregg has been an expository Bible teacher for decades. In this lecture he doesn't teach one view over another, but goes through all three of them. For anyone who wants to sit through it. He covers most of what's been brought up in this thread.

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johnnypapa · 2025-12-12T05:29:04-0600

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Dan1988 · 2025-12-12T05:26:15-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
So God "created" the English language [and all of the languages spoken around the world today] during the Tower of Babel incident? Really?

Well, whatever the case may be, I'm not worried that Hell is either an ongoing fire or an extinguishment from existence. Both are bad and I'm open to either perspective.

Just wondering why you don't believe what God said about the matter. Your opinion has no baring on anything. Everything that God predestined, will come to pass, with or without your approval or disapproval.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-12T05:20:10-0600

12/12/25 Day 9

O St. Lucy, whose name proclaims the radiance of light, we approach you with humble confidence to seek your holy intercession. Obtain for us, through your prayers, that sacred illumination which guides our souls away from the shadows of sin and leads us toward the brightness of virtue.

Obtain for us also these petitions which we offer to you in this novena:

[Mention your petitions now]

We beseech you, St. Lucy, through your powerful advocacy before the throne of the Lamb, the protection of our eye sight, and for the grace to employ our eyes always in service of God’s glory and never for that which offends His divine majesty.

Help us to perceive with clarity the truths of our faith and the needs of our neighbor, that we may walk steadfastly in the light of Christ and labor earnestly for the salvation of souls.

Pray for us, St. Lucy, that having honored you as our advocate in this earthly pilgrimage, we may one day behold with you the eternal splendor of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, in whose divine light all shadows flee away forever. Amen.

David Lamb · 2025-12-12T05:14:41-0600

samaus123456789 said:
I meant to say 1 Enoch + protestant canon texts. Yes Tobit is inspired scripture also like 1 Enoch is inspired scripture. I don't accuse ancient men of God who authored books full of prophecies of Jesus of lying.

Tobit is in the Apocrypha. 1 Enoch, as far as I am aware, isn't even included in bibles like Roman Catholic ones which include the Apocrypha.

MarkRohfrietsch · 2025-12-12T05:05:16-0600

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BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-12-12T04:54:13-0600

NotreDame said:
My eyes read the Hebrew and the Hebrew for lust isn’t used in relation to Eve.

See previous.

NotreDame said:
I’ve made a Herculean of the logical, identify the Hebrew word used, discern its meaning, use a Lexicon and Bible dictionary, and conclude the Hebrew text isn’t using the word “list.”

Desire/lust

It doesn't take a leap of any scholastic sorts

NotreDame said:
Maybe your “eyes” need to focus upon the what the Hebrew text says, rather than what you want the Hebrew to say.

I read the originals same as you

More pressing to the point of the opening post, all have sin and sin is of the devil.

Perhaps you can put that in your Hebrew attempts to personally apply?

NotreDame said:
Your interpretation is vacuous, not supported by Hebrew of the OT, Koine Greek of the NT, and you did not refute my objections to your view and my prior post remains unrebutted by you.

Vacous claim on your part. Sorry. Not taking the appeal to separate lust from desire on any basis

A2SG · 2025-12-12T04:53:22-0600

Servus said:
I'm well aware of the things you mentioned against Obama.

Cool. Because you seemed to think a lot of that stuff wasn't wackadoodle, and it was. Very much so.

Servus said:
That's why I know there's not an equivalence to what has been directed against Trump.

You're right there. President Obama was criticized for quite a lot of stuff he didn't do, and views or beliefs he never had. Trump, on the other hand, is criticized for stuff he's actually done and said.

Servus said:
His supporters by and large are described as being a facist cult.

I've admitted that some of the criticisms are hyperbolic, but they are still based on reality. Trump absolutely has demonstrated authoritarian tendencies, so the charge of his being akin to a fascist are rooted in real actions. A significant number of his supporters are so ardent in their fealty to him that they willingly and repeatedly ignore reality to do so, i.e. believing he's innocent despite being proven guilty of fraud and other crimes on several occasions. What do you call people who are so totally dedicated to a leader they willingly ignore reality like that?

Hyperbole, maybe...but not without a basis in reality. There was no basis in reality for claims that President Obama was born in Kenya or was a radical muslim.

Servus said:
Trump as president, especially in this term, has achieved many accomplishments for the American people in a sort amount of time.

I'd need examples of actual accomplishments. Most, if not all, of the ones usually claimed seem to be backfiring. His tariff plan, for example, has led to increased prices and less jobs. More specifically, his China tariff policy created a problem that he claimed to have solved...but didn't. China, as a direct result of Trump's tariffs, currently trades a lot less with the US than they used to. Be really hard to call any of that an accomplishment.

Another example would be DOGE. DOGE claimed to have saved the government $160 billion, but an independent analysis shows that they cost the government $135 to do it. Add to that, DOGE's estimates about the savings they accrued seems to have been overstated. And lest we forget all the government employees DOGE fired, only to find they needed to rehire them again. I don't know how anyone would call that efficient.

So, let's be clear here, most of the "accomplishments" he claims are either wildly overstated, or flat out blatant lies. We know this. But still, many of his followers still believe these lies, and continue to spout them every chance they get. If that ain't wackadoodle, I don't know what would be.

-- A2SG, maybe we need to redefine wackadoodle for the Trump era.....

stevevw · 2025-12-12T04:50:48-0600

As far as I can see Ilhan Omar has spoken and spread narratives for hate towards the US and those who represent its long held values. You only have to go back and listen to her plain English language lol.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-12-12T03:22:46-0600

The Simpsons video was my own real contribution to this thread in a long time but I've been following this thread daily, and I have a few take aways:

Firstly: @sjastro and @Hans Blaster, you guys are either incredibly patient people or gluttons for punishment.

Secondly: can any of this even be considered an actual scientific conversation if there's so much non-scientific, unevidenced, 'just so' claims made by the OP that it gets to the point that we've gone from well evidenced works of stone masonry that are truly universal to such pointless and ridiculous claims as non-physical reality being the reason behind the Egyptians building the pyramids?

Valletta · 2025-12-12T03:18:26-0600

“We are going to defend our neighbors,” Walz said at a Tuesday fundraiser, according to the Center Square. “Instead of demonizing our Somali community, we’re going to do more to welcome more in.”

Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is vowing to bring more Somali immigrants to his state, despite the massive fraud scandal that has unfolded in the Minnesota Somali community on his watch.

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He always appears to know what is best for the rest of us.

davetaff · 2025-12-12T02:51:30-0600

Akita Suggagaki said:
We often refer to fictional characters as if they were literal historical. Someone out if context could think we mean them that way.

Hi
Did God have to say it was the truth all Gods word is the truth the creation account in Genesis should be applied starting with Noah everything God created before the flood was destroyed in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark.
So it was a new beginning starting with Noah and everything on the ark everything else was destroyed in the flood.
So the creation account should be applied starting with Noah so the things in the creation account should be understood as symbolic take the forth day the sun is symbolic of Christ the light fo the world the moon the church the bride of Christ the stars the children of God maks absolutely no sense to say the sun was created on the forth day very little could survive without sunlight so when Noah stepped out of the ark the sun was shining it had to be so that everything could grow and thrive.

Love and peace
Dave

GoldenKingGaze · 2025-12-12T02:49:59-0600

Jesus Christ our Lord rose from the dead, ascended and was glorified. But fully glorified? For Jesus is as in Isaiah 9:6. He is the father of time and should know the end from the beginning, but the bridegroom does not know the time of his wedding, but only his father according to Jewish traditions.

And about the prophets before us. Hebrews 11:40.

The verse says:

“God having provided something better for us, so that apart from us they should not be made perfect.”
— Hebrews 11:40

Meaning:
The Old Testament prophets and faithful saints (“they”) will not receive their final perfection, glory, or completion without us — that is, without the whole people of God across all ages. The author of Hebrews is emphasizing that the consummation happens together, at the resurrection and final glorification.

Related idea

Paul teaches a similar “together in glory” theme:

1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 – The dead in Christ rise first, then living believers join them together.
Romans 8:17–23 – Glorification and redemption of the body happen for all God's children at once.

Perhaps Jesus full glorification will come with us altogether ? Prophets like Moses, Elijah and Ezekiel may be fully sanctified and partly glorified. As Jesus in Revelation, is crowned, with all glory, and honour and power... Revelation 1:5-6, 5:13, 7:12, but it does not say knowledge and that He again knows all and the end from the beginning, Isaiah 46:10. But even now His body is immortal and glorious and glory shines from His face with vast intensity. 2 Corinthians 4:6.

We may be awaiting the wedding feast of the Lamb for glorification, all together like a graduating class. And after us a new class starts.

Stopped_lurking · 2025-12-12T02:37:06-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Oh, you don't shift all your teachers... i think you're being intentionally obtuse. I don't really have time to repeat myself, others can see what I said, and form their own opinions. I have no reason to persuade you.

The interested reader will of course draw their own conclusions, that is a given. But on the face of it your argument seems to be wrong, as the policy determining body shifts much faster than the teachers. So I would believe there is at least some unstated premises in your argument, if it is not flat-out wrong.

ViaCrucis · 2025-12-12T02:29:45-0600

rjs330 said:
Yes we are American citizens and get to decide that.

Irish Need Not Apply

ViaCrucis · 2025-12-12T02:28:26-0600

A New Dawn said:
Why is it that people on the left didn’t bat an eye when Obama broke the law and spied on his political opponent, or when Biden unleashed the power of the federal government against his political opponent, but when those very same people are being held accountable for their crimes, all of the sudden Trump is the dictator with nefarious plans for the country when he did absolutely nothing similar to all that nonsense in his first term?

Projection at its highest.

Irony rating: 10/10

Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-12T02:16:45-0600

I admit, this is not my favorite subject to write about, for it can be a confusing subject, for certain. So, I will try to make it simple to understand for all of us. The Jews of old were under the Old Covenant (The Law), and it was filled with all kinds of liturgical, ceremonial, sacrificial, purification, circumcision, dietary, and Sabbath laws that God’s people, the Jews, had to obey. But we who believe in Jesus Christ are not under that covenant.

“But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.” (Galatians 4:4-5 NASB1995)

This is speaking of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, who is God, and who is our creator God (see John 1:1-36). He left his throne in heaven, came to the earth, and was born as a baby to a virgin woman, but conceived of the Holy Spirit and not of man, so he was not born with a sin nature as we are, and he never sinned. When he lived on the earth he was fully God and fully human. And at the age of 30 he began his earthly ministry, the primary part of which was sharing the message of the gospel of Christ.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

And so it is essential that we understand the message of the gospel taught by Jesus so that we comprehend this whole matter of The Law. For The Law is generally a reference to the Old Covenant God had with his people Israel, Jews only. But once Jesus was crucified on that cross to deliver us out of our slavery to sin, the Old Covenant was done away with, and the New Covenant came into being. But the New Covenant is not lawless, for under the New Covenant we still have to obey our Lord and his commandments.

“For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself’” (Galatians 5:13-14 NASB1995).

“Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God” (Galatians 5:19-21 NASB1995).

So, there is The Law, which was the Old Covenant, which had all those liturgical and ceremonial laws the Jews had to follow. And there is the New Covenant God has with his people Israel (Jew and Gentile by faith in Jesus Christ) which did away with all the liturgical and ceremonial laws, but which still requires that we obey our Lord and his commands under the New Covenant. And what God requires of us under the New Covenant is mainly that we die with Christ to sin and we walk in obedience to his commands.

And his laws under the New Covenant have mainly to do with love, grace, morality, faithfulness, honesty, and doing what pleases God and what is righteous in the eyes of the Lord, and that which submits to Christ as Lord and surrenders to his will and purpose for our lives. It is more, perhaps, about our relationship with Christ as our husband, and our desire to love him by doing what he calls us to do as his followers. And it is not about religious practices which do nothing to change the human heart, mind, and soul.

But the situation the believers in Christ of that time period were being faced with was the Judaizers who were trying to convince the Christians that they had to be circumcised and that they had to hold to some of those ceremonial laws of the Old Covenant. And so Paul let them know plainly that the Israel of God is not those who are merely of Jewish descent, but they are those who are followers of Jesus Christ. And all who do not believe in Christ are not the children of God, so we don’t have to listen to what they say.

“And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. But what does the Scripture say? ‘Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.’ So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.” (Galatians 4:28-31 NASB1995)

And what this is telling us (in vv. 21-31) is that physical Jerusalem is of Hagar, the slave woman, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem from above is our mother (allegorically speaking) who bears the children of promise, who are all who believe in Jesus Christ. So we are not to let ourselves be influenced by any Jew who is trying to push us to become more like Jews and to follow the Old Covenant liturgical laws. For all who do not believe in Jesus Christ are not the children of God; not his holy nation.

[Genesis 17:7-9; Genesis 18:19; John 8:18-19,38-47; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 9:4-8,25-28; Romans 11:1-36; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Galatians 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-22; Ephesians 3:1-6; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-16; Hebrews 8:6-13;1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:22; Jude 1:5; Revelation 2:9; Revelation 3:9]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1

As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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The Law vs The Law
An Original Work / December 12, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

rjs330 · 2025-12-12T02:07:44-0600

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GoldenBoy89 said:
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t agree with this administration’s current approach to immigration and are just playing devil’s advocate here but I guess that answers that.

These people did everything right. Waited in line. Paid the money. They’ve been vetted and verified by the government and were about to take an oath to the country that no natural born citizen is even required to make. There’s no reason to cancel their applications at that moment other than targeted cruelty.

No matter what date was chosen there would always be people who paid the money, were vetted and verified and about to take the oath. There has to be a cut off date. And as all cut off dates are, someone is going to get the short straw.

Immigration from these countries needs to stop.

David Lamb · 2025-12-12T01:45:42-0600

truthuprootsevil said:
Yes, nuclear weaponry, even if the Lord speaks it to happen. Zachariah is giving an example of exactly what nuclear weaponry will do to a human, they will disintegrate, while they stand on their feet. The difference is with man's weaponry one has to be fairly close to ground zero. With the Lord there is no limit.

2 Peter 3:10 But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:10 - The Day of the Lord

The King James version words are different: the heavens will pass away with a loud noise; the elements will MELT with fibrant heat and the earth ALSO and the works thereof be BURNED up.

All knowledge comes from the Lord doesn't the Bible tell us that? "" Man's knowledge of nuclear weaponry comes from God."" But that is rarely thought of.

But there are other things that cause a person's body to disintegrate, like being burned in fire, or being put int a bath of acid. Saying that God uses nuclear weaponry seems to go beyond what Scripture says, and suggests that God first creates a nuclear bomb and then detonates it. I agree that there are similarities between the effects of a nuclear weapon and what happens at the Day of the Lord, but the latter is far worse, unless one knows the Saviour.

David Lamb · 2025-12-12T01:36:38-0600

JAM2b said:
I don't attend church much anymore. Partly it is because I have to work on Sundays. But I also have lost patience for it. It's difficult for it to hold my attention.

I think part of it is because the sermons, while good, tend to stay at a very basic level. There is nothing new or deeper. I've also become annoyed and bored with the performative nature of the services.

As far as going for what you can give or serving, I've done that, too. It got me used up without getting refilled. It was also frustrating because there was no overall growth for the congregation. It was all just a regurgitation of the same sermons and formulaic worship service making a few look good and making the rest feel good.

I LOVE indepth Bible studies and prayer meetings. Sunday "services"? No thanks.

I find the idea of "attending church" strange. In the bible, we find that a church(for example the church at Ephesus) is a local grouping of Christians. So as a member of a church, one is part of the church. And Christians take par in church services to worship God and study His word.

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