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Ted Cruz torches Tim Kaine for describing God-given rights as 'very, very troubling'

Ah, I misunderstood what that was a reply to...so why do you think majority muslim lands are enmeshed in war and conflict?
Western intervention in Muslim-majority countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria has been a significant factor over the past two decades. Afghanistan and Syria are where the majority of Muslim refugees originate from. Other Muslim-majority countries have faced natural and manmade disasters. Somalia, for example, has faced a combination of drought and civil war for many years. The situation in Sudan isn't much different. Since warring parties in the countries are Muslim, Islam isn't the cause of the civil wars. However, since conflict is the primary driver of terrorism, many people in these countries also suffer at the hands of terrorists who exploit Islam to further their agendas.
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Is there a massive difference between suffering in general and suffering for belief in Christ?

I feel like that kind of thing is only reserved for Christ because He is unblemished and I am blemished
We all find ourselves unworthy at times, but Jesus understands our frame. It pains Him, I think when we sometimes think Jesus' sacrifice is not enough. That somehow we have to do some work for our salvation. In Christ, you are white as snow. Your sins are removed from the east to the west. This is the breasplate of righteousness, that in Him you can be secure in righteousness. That does not make you perfect but it gives you confidence.
Heb 4:16 "Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need". Remember too His mercies are new every morning. I think a big part of your outlook is that you don't see the love of God, and simply do not expect God to do much for you. The reality though is that the opposite is true. There is peace through God. His load is light, that we can be anxious for nothing, all those things that are the promises of God are for you, just the way you are right now in Christ.
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Yehovah God will not send you to Hell!

You ask questions of me but have not replied to the questions I asked
"a few unsupported accusations none of which begins to address any of the scripture I quoted. Please be so kind as to show me where I misquoted or quoted out-of-context any of the verses I quoted."​
And my post#82 has not been addressed.
I don't deny the applicability of every word of God to everyone, per God:

Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

As to your position analysis it consistently fails to bring the perps into the sights and only lays the blame on people, completely ignoring the plight of blinded slaveship imposed on them by that enemy

We should know as believers we ALL have a mutual unseen adversary. Therefore any position failing to account for this is technically, void and without merit
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

The Bill of Rights isn't about morals. It's about placing limitations on government to ensure the existence and continuation of a free society. It recognizes that government, if left unchecked, will eventually try to curtail freedoms - so it cuts that avenue off by making it unquestionably illegal.
...because trying to curtail freedoms is immoral, right? All of the Amendments are moral statements. The whole Constitution is, except for some procedural matters. The Declaration of Independence is about morality. All men are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Hitler didn't believe that. Stalin didn't believe that. A lot of the contemporary Left don't believe that, and that's why we consider them all to be immoral men.
I disagree. Some legislation has its roots in morality, but it's really more about, again, ensuring the existence and continuation of a free society. Even if you look at things like laws against murder. Murder isn't illegal because murder is wrong or immoral; murder is illegal because having murderers running around your cities and not doing anything about it is detrimental to society.
Same thing. Ensuring the existence of a free society is a moral value judgment. Although I'm curious what you'd think of this - if you and I were stranded on a desert island with no hope of returning to society, would it be immoral if I killed you? (I know it sounds crazy to kill your only human companionship, but maybe I don't want to share limited food, or maybe you're just too annoying. :D)
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Sound Doctrine... What does that mean?

I pointed to Jesus, our teacher and guide, "in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" (Col 2:3), and who also lives in our hearts (Col 1:27). If any of our doctrines are from Him, then those doctrines are sound. If any of our doctrines are in error, then those doctrines are not from Him.

It is sound doctrine to say that He has the truth, He teaches us the truth, and we have the truth when we learn it from Him.

And as we walk with Him in the newness of life, He leads, guides, directs, corrects, and comforts us from the intimacy of our own hearts. He challenges our false beliefs and inspires us to grasp sound beliefs so that over time a larger body of sound doctrine forms and the instances of false doctrines we hold shrinks.

9 “Whom will he teach knowledge?​
And whom will he make to understand the message?​
Those just weaned from milk?​
Those just drawn from the breasts?​
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,​
Line upon line, line upon line,​
Here a little, there a little.”​
The New King James Version (Is 28:9–10). (1982). Thomas Nelson.​
Decent direction, continue the journey.
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Why we Christians still have to struggle with sins?

If Jesus didn't come and die or become a sin offering for mankind, all of mankind would have been put in the lake of fire, including, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc. Paul says in Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. This is talking about the first and second death. I notice on this forum, most people don't talk about the second death, and that's the most important death to worry about. In the Old testament no matter how good you where or righteous you couldn't get away from that lake of Fire, which is the second death. Paul says in Roman 5: 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

What people don't understand is that in the Old testament, even if you repent, you was still headed for the second death, this what a lot of Christians don't understand the importance of Jesus coming. So now when you repent and come under the blood of Jesus now (today), you also have the gift of the Holy Ghost. "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38).


Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. See, Adam brought both death. This is why the atonement was practice in Leviticus 16 and so important. They had to live in hopes of what we living in now, because Christ already came and died in our day. But in their time, they sins was always on them including the second death. That's why Paul says in Hebrew 10: For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Because animal can't take away sins. The Lord had Moses to use two scapegoats because they were practicing on what Jesus had to actually go through to remove the sins off of mankind for righteous.

Now, Paul says in Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Let's take a look in Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? This is hard for most people to understand this, because people are not taught about the second death, and when they see the word death in the Bible, they looking at it as the first death most of the time. But let's get a verse out the Bible thats clean cut in Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Meaning that all the Prophets and righteous people back then, would have been in the second death.

Again Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Romans 3:23–25 says, “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.”

Some interpret this to mean Christ only died for past sins. But that misses Paul’s point. Paul highlights two things at once: (1) God’s justice required a payment even for sins before the cross, and (2) Christ’s sacrifice provides justification “for all who believe” (v.22), which is a present and ongoing reality. The reference to “sins committed beforehand” does not restrict the scope of the atonement but demonstrates that the cross reached backward as well as forward. If Jesus’ death only covered past sins, then believers would stand condemned the moment they sinned again. Yet Paul immediately stresses that justification is by faith apart from works of the law (v.28), meaning it rests on Christ’s once-for-all atonement (cf. Hebrews 10:12, 14). Therefore, Romans 3:23–25 is not narrowing Christ’s death to past sins but showing that His sacrifice is sufficient for all sins—past, present, and future.
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ABC News Gushes Over Homosexual Relationship of Tyler Robinson

DISGUSTING: ABC's Matt Gutman says he's not sure "if we have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages" that were "very touching, in a way, that I think many of us didn't expect — a very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate, who is
transitioning, calling him 'my love? And 'I want to protect you, my love." "So, it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And then, on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting and, as Pierre said, riveting press conference."

Continued below.
ABC News Gushes Over Homosexual Relationship of Tyler Robinson

Google Explodes with ‘How to Be Catholic’; Why That Matters – Patrick

After the election of Pope Leo XIV, Google searches for “how to be Catholic” skyrocketed across the globe. But why?

In this powerful episode, Patrick Coffin unpacks the reasons behind this surge in curiosity, offering a historical, philosophical, and apologetic perspective on the modern rediscovery of the Catholic faith.

From the bold orthodoxy of the new Pope to the cultural collapse driving people back to truth, Patrick explains:

• Why hearts are turning toward the Church
• How tradition, clarity, and beauty speak louder than ideology
• What it means to truly be Catholic in a confused world

Grounded in Church history and timeless wisdom, this is essential viewing for Catholics and truth-seekers alike.

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A Gentle Reminder: Even When No One Sees

The idea that she claims to be doing it to glorify God absolutely spoils it for me. I would much rather that she do such things simply because they're kind and fulfilling. Not because they glorify some supposed God, but simply because they glorify life. Let me do good, simply because it's good.
I loved the post. I needed it. Not sure if we can even discuss this in this forum though.
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People to avoid.

[NRSVUE 2tim 3:1-5] 1 Godlessness in the Last Days You must understand this, that in the last days distressing times will come. 2 For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unfeeling, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to the outward form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid them!

What do you think about that?
That sounds like much of humanity! We ALL sin, but we are called to repentance!
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Evolution, one more argument against

Did you not read the post? I expressly invited readers to "imagine".
Yes, I read it. As I said, I much more interested in discussing data and scientific reasoning than in fictional scenarios.
Here's some mathematical evidence:
No, it really isn't. That's a rambling (loooong and rambling) attack on evolution by non-experts(*) using the kind of really bad argument I mentioned previously. In this case, they're making the same fundamental error that was in the last paper you linked to: calculating the probability of evolution producing a given outcome while assuming that it's aiming for that outcome, i.e. that evolution has a target. It is, again, a very bad model for the actual process described by evolutionary biology.

(*) I believe one is a toxicologist and one an engineer (civil? mechanical? I forget -- I looked him up this morning).
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pain

Please pray that if it is God's will he takes my bladder pain and discomfort away and allows me to feel good. I ask in the name of Jesus. God bless you. Carmen
Loving God,

Have mercy on Carmenls. Take away all her pain and restore her to full health and strength. Fill her with your abundant grace, and make her holy. This I ask in your holy and precious name, Amen!
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Jesus was crucified on Thursday

My understanding is that it is simply a figure of speech known as synecdoche, where the part implies the whole, or the whole implies the part, like 15 'head' of cattle or 'England' beat 'Wales' in the rugby. Three days and three nights is three whole "day and night" implying the parts, Friday afternoon, the whole of the Sabbath, and the beginning of Sunday. This does not contradict the many times Christ said He would rise on the third day and is in keeping with the prophecy of Psalm 16:10 that He would not see corruption. Christ was buried before sunset on Friday and rose after sunset on Saturday, a little over 24 hours, having rested in the tomb on the 7th day as foretold in the creation account in Genesis. If Christ had been dead for 72 hours then His body would have begun to decay and would have "seen corruption".
I disagree, if GOD had chosen to, the body of Jesus would not have seen corruption no matter how long He laid in the grave. And to repeat a previous post.
All four gospels agree that Jesus was crucified on παρασκευήν/paraskeve. The Greek name for the day we call Friday and which means preparation
Mat_27:62 NowG1161 theG3588 next day,G1887 thatG3748 followedG2076 G3326 the day of theG3588 preparation,παρασκευήν G3904 theG3588 chief priestsG749 andG2532 PhariseesG5330 came togetherG4863 untoG4314 Pilate,G4091\​

Mar_15:42 AndG2532 nowG2235 when the evenG3798 was come,G1096 becauseG1893 it wasG2258 the preparation,G3904 παρασκευήν that is,G3603 the day before the sabbath,G4315​
Luk_23:54 AndG2532 that dayG2250 wasG2258 the preparation,G3904 παρασκευήν andG2532 the sabbathG4521 drew on.G2020​
Joh_19:14 AndG1161 it wasG2258 the preparationG3904 παρασκευήν of theG3588 passover,G3957 andG1161 aboutG5616 the sixthG1623 hour:G5610 andG2532 he saithG3004 unto theG3588 Jews,G2453 BeholdG2396 yourG5216 King!G935​
Joh_19:31 TheG3588 JewsG2453 therefore,G3767 becauseG1893 it wasG2258 the preparation,G3904 παρασκευήν thatG2443 theG3588 bodiesG4983 should notG3361 remainG3306 uponG1909 theG3588 crossG4716 onG1722 theG3588 sabbath day,G4521 (forG1063 thatG1565 sabbathG4521 dayG2250 wasG2258 an high day,)G3173 besoughtG2065 PilateG4091 thatG2443 theirG846 legsG4628 might be broken,G2608 andG2532 that they might be taken away.G142​
Joh_19:42 ThereG1563 laidG5087 they JesusG2424 thereforeG3767 because ofG1223 theG3588 Jews'G2453 preparationG3904 day; παρασκευήν forG3754 theG3588 sepulchreG3419 wasG2258 nigh at hand.G1451​
6 verses found, 6 matches​
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Oklahoma State Superintendent Mandates All Public Schools to Teach Bible

Walters is introducing some other faith-based items in the curriculum

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UPDATE: Oklahoma parents fight back

Another group of parents, grandparents, and teachers is suing Walters and the Oklahoma Board of Education to invalidate the new social studies curriculum.

The plaintiffs, represented by Former Oklahoma Attorney General Mike Hunter, argue that the new curriculum is invalid because the "Oklahoma State Department of Education failed to follow its own rules for transparency."


Oklahoma court stops social studies standards with 2020 election misinformation from taking effect

“Christianity, American exceptionalism, and conservative values are under attack and the Oklahoma Supreme Court is leading the assault,” Walters said of the nine-member court, six of whom were appointed by Republican governors.
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