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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

I did before I posted. (checks again) Yep. Still the same:

"A girl or young woman who exhibits masculine traits through her activities, behaviors and style."
Please note it is referring to a girl or young woman. Which has always been a reference to their sex. And this girl exhibits masculine traits, which is typically a reference she likes to do things boys like to do, such as hunt, fish, wrestle or play tackle football. The question quickly becomes is can't you be a girl inside and out and still like to do those things?
Why is trans OK with you if you get to call a trans person a "Tomboy? instead of a "boy?" If being trans is a sin, it's a sin whether you call a trans person a tomboy or a boy. Could you also say "butch" or "dyke" without offending your religious sensibilities?
Who calls a trans person a tomboy? What in earth is your point here? Where did you get the idea that tomboys are trans? Can't some girls like some boy things and still be girls? Who made the rule that if you are a tomboy you must be trans? (Or even lesbian).
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

For all those Christ died His death exclusively for them acquired:

The invalidation and dissolution of death of his power, Heb. 2:14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

2Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

All for whom Christ died He will make alive from the dead, even spiritual death, it for them has been invalidated.9
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Please pray for my father in law and my wifes family.

Yeah I heard about that im sorry for your loss too. I remember seeing about his loss in October. Not sure if I replied to the thread or not i cant remember but Jeanette and I have been praying for your sister in law too. How's your sister in law been coping with the loss?
She is still going on crying jags. It’s hard. We’ve been helping her with the financial aspect of things, death certificates, etc. We’ll be contacting an attorney this week to help walk her through the legalities for her protection and security.
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A Conversion Journey

I don't mean to sound vain, but truth be told, I was highly intelligent from a very young age. At just over 24 hours old, with no training in mathematics, this little single cell was already doing division.

Those first nine months were the best months of my life. I was comfortable, warm and safe. Everything was soft, peaceful and quiet. [fart joke deleted] It was like being in a paradisiacal Garden. No rent, no mortgage. I toiled not for my food, it was given like manna from Heaven. I didn't even have to breathe! How cool is that? It was like what 20 year old Communists think Communism is like as long as they've never endured it.

Very early on though, I did have a slightly disappointing notion that I was meant for something more. Don't get me wrong, there's no shame in being in utero. It's just that I felt my potential was somewhat limited.

Eventually, like the Jews in the wilderness, I started complaining. The accomodations were not to my liking. I began to get restless. At about 20 weeks, I began moving. But there was nowhere to move to.

Then one day, something strange happened. I had the sensation of being pushed, and although they were muffled, I could hear the anguished cries, screams, yells, grunts and moans of someone who was obviously being tortured. "May God curse the cruel person responsible for inflicting such torment!" said I.

On a sudden, I realized I was being pushed towards the place (whatever a "place" is) from which this weeping and gnashing of teeth emanated. I was sure I was dying, and if I wasn't dying, I wanted no part of this place.

So I devised a plan. I managed to turn myself around 180 degrees from the direction towards which I was being pushed. That way, I could use my feet to brace against the forward motion. In the process I managed to wrap my umbilical cord around my neck. My memory is foggy; I can't recall if this was an accident or a suicide attempt.

In any event, my plan was foiled. My mother later told me that the doctor decided at the last minute that he had to do an emergency C-section to save both our lives. Afterwards the doctor told my mom that it was the longest, bloodiest and most dangerous C-section he'd ever done.* Mom never forgave me for that, and loved to remind me of it on every birthday of mine.

The only other things I remember of that day are being cold, and being physically assaulted by a slap to the butt, completely unprovoked. This was not good. Then I knew that man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.

* The stuff about trying to come out feet first, getting the cord around my neck, and the bloody C-section is true.
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Hymn "O Come O Come Emmanuel"

It is one of my favorites, too. My parish is using it as the Communion Hymn for all 4 Sundays. We're also singing the Missa Emmanuel Holy, Holy, Memorial Acclamation, Amen, and Lamb of God. The instrumental accompaniment at the Mass at which I serve is piano, trumpet, acoustic guitar, and double bass.

The one tune we're not doing this Advent that I really miss is Conditur alma siderium / Creator of the stars of night. I prefer it a cappella in either Latin or English.

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Lady: Are you the police?
Elwood Blues: No, ma'am, we're musicians ... We're on a mission from God.
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Game based on Bible passage about killing everything that breathes

Isn't making a game that glorifies violence
At the start there is now a title screen which asks if you want blood and gore or not. If you choose no it goes to the "Unbrutal Bible Bubblebaths" title screen and there is no blood or chopping. Originally I had groans and sighs instead of screaming but a Christian gave a negative review saying things like:
"...the game fails to demonstrate the real suffering that took place in Philistia and Phoenicia"
So that is why I added screams of agony.
and sexual immorality a gross sin against the Lord?
I don't think it is glorifying sexual immorality because the soldiers and you need to kill those people.
The LORD examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates those who love violence. Psalm 11:5
It is cartoonish though. Also there are a large number of games that glorify violence like the Doom games and Mortal Kombat. But I'm including gameplay that is based on Bible passages.
The Bible does not glorify violence.
Rather, these accounts are there that we can learn from them how God feels about them, and the consequences.
Well what you and the soldiers do involves the consquences.
In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire. Jude 1:7
Well in the gameplay you are the punishment for those kinds of things.
If God did not recount these things for his people, they would not have clear examples that would help them avoid falling into the same conduct.
Now these things took place as examples for us, that we might not desire evil as they did. 1 Corinthians 10:6

I have in mind making a game based on the Bible, but it will be playable by all - adults and children, and both entertaining and educational.
I will certainly not be glorifying what God hates.
I thought I'd portray things that are normally ignored in Bible games, etc. If there was no "Sinful Temple" in the game then the player wouldn't really understand why they need to kill everything that breathes.
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House GOP Budget Picture Starts to Develop: Increased Overall Spending & CBO est. ~$2,400,000,000,000 in Additional Debt

lol

On a more serious note, I checked out the place on google maps. It's less than a 10 minute drive from Staunton, a small city that has a primary care provider with 5 doctors.

Perhaps they could also scrounge up the ressources for a mobile clinic to service the small towns in the vicinity.
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Anyone attempt to start a Bible Study with the people you evangelize who are mostly homeless?

Not all churches are internally ready to host/welcome homeless believers in their fellowship (thinking of The Visit (Adrian Plass), 1999). They're usually the opposite of the ones who are welcomed because they can easily grow into leadership and pastoral roles, or contribute financially.
That's a good point. In my experience of inviting homeless people into a church ministry someone has to go the extra mile to make them feel welcome, because many of the members will consciously or subconsciously give them the cold shoulder. It can work well and be a tremendous blessing to the homeless visitors (and to the church to fulfill their calling), but someone will have to go that extra mile. God Bless You :)
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MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

The symbolism could still be relevant, but I don't think it's driving this particular interpretation. Daniel 2 shows us that the ten toes would try to cleave to one another but would ultimately fail. That is nationalism in a nutshell.
Is there something in the text here that references Daniel 2? I'm more interested in how John merges bits of the other beasts into one uber-beast. It's saying Rome is more powerful than all the previous empires. But it's also very universal in appeal - as in - this is Rome - but it could be any government that threatens God's people.
I have not seen it.
You sound like a reasonable person committed to reading God's word in context, and with reference to sensible theology. (And not just playing subjective "pin-the-tail-on-the-anti-Christ" like others here.)

Please consider putting the Bible Project on your list of resources for a quick overview of any book of the bible. It's like having a shorter audio-visual pamphlet on your bookshelf.

Try Revelation for starters.
First half:
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In John's time, the image was an image of Caesar that would be placed within a tribune to prove allegiance to Rome and its gods.
Absolutely. Wasn't there a new tribune installed at some point, and people required to turn up and swear allegiance?

This was showcased to its zenith during the Diocletian Persecution. Asia Minor's culture leaned heavily into imperial cult, regardless of who ruled over them. That made its persecutions so much more devastating than those in Europe at that time. Crossing the contextual bridge, the torch passed easily to Soviet Russia, which began persecuting Christians and spreading Stalin's cult of personality after the Bolshevik Revolution.
Across 2000 years? I'm not sure causation is demonstrated - but history certainly rhymes now and then.
The two criteria all seven churches were evaluated by, and a repetitive theme in Revelation, is bearing a faithful witness of Jesus to the world by keeping His testimony (forehead) and obeying God's commands (right hand). Deuteronomy 6 drives this home.

Check part 2 of Revelation above for the forehead and right hand.
An interesting observation is that every nation will turn against Christ at some point. Notice the formula:

1. The four horsemen wreak havoc on a kingdom
2. The people blame and persecute saints and prophets
3. People fill up their wickedness until God's wrath comes upon them
4. God gives that kingdom to people bearing "fruit" (deeds) for His kingdom
Hmmm - I'm not sure I've seen that as a pattern. The people I read seem to see Revelation as covering a multitude of themes, not necessarily linked in that way? Could you just add the chapters where you see this pattern emerging?

Cheers, good chatting with you
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humor related to thanksgiving

humor related to thanksgiving

The Pagan Origins of Thanksgiving lol

For example, in ancient Rome they celebrated the holiday of Cerelia, which honored the harvest goddess of grain called Ceres. ... Let’s begin with the Cornucopia, which was an important symbol in ancient Greece and Rome. A cornucopia is a horned shaped basket that is usually filled with harvest fruits and vegetables. This symbol goes back to a story from Ancient Greece where a goat pulled off his horn and offered it to the God Zeus. This was a magic horn that would refill indefinitely with food and drink ensuring that Zeus would never go hungry. ... Many Native American tribes view Turkey as a symbol of fertility and abundance. ... animal spirits ...Celtic pagan harvest festivals usually included some type of sport or competition. The Pagan Origins of Thanksgiving — ARCANE ALCHEMY

The Roman goddess Abundantia with a cornucopia in a painting by Rubens.... https://medium.com/the-pub/yes-thanksgiving-is-a-pagan-holiday-9cf425af4fb4

In 1621, Native American religions were diverse and often rooted in animism, emphasizing harmony with nature and the spiritual significance of all living things.

But some of the biggest festivals occurred around harvest time.

This was a time to give thanks to the gods for a bountiful harvest and to celebrate the success of another growing season.

There were many different types of harvest festivals, but the biggest three were Lammas, Mabon, and Samhain – each honoring different gods and celebrating different parts of the harvest and the changing of the seasons.

...
Although harvest deities varied from tribe to tribe, many Native American cultures paid homage to "creator gods" that were believed to have helped the Great Spirit complete the earth in its physical form. One such creator god was the Earth Mother, who some tribes believed was the one to bring corn – a harvest staple – to the Native peoples.
The Secret Religious History of Thanksgiving
See how the pagans held the original Thanksgiving, how the Christian Church eventually coopted the holiday, and what symbolic evidence lives on.
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49. What kind of music did the pilgrims like?
Plymouth Rock.

50. If April showers bring May flowers, what do May flowers bring?
Pilgrims

51. Why do the Pilgrims have trouble keeping their pants on?
Because their belt buckles are on their hats.

What did the turkey say after a big meal?
“I’m stuffed!”
What’s a turkey’s favorite type of music?
Anything with drumsticks.
Why was the Thanksgiving soup so pricey?
It had 24 carrots.
Why did the scarecrow win an award at Thanksgiving?
Because he was outstanding in his field.
What’s the best thing to put into pumpkin pie?
Your teeth.
Why don’t you ever tell secrets at the Thanksgiving dinner table?
Because the corn has ears.

1. Why did Mom’s turkey seasoning taste a little off last year? She ran out of thyme.

2. What did Dad say when he was asked to say grace? “Grace.”

3. What’s the official dance of Thanksgiving called? The turkey trot.

4. What’s one thing that you’ll have in common with a teddy bear on Thanksgiving? You’ll both be filled with stuffing.

5. What was the turkey suspected of? Fowl play.

6. What did the Pilgrim wear to dinner? A (har)vest.

7. What song should you listen to on Thanksgiving? “All About That Baste.”

8. How can you unlock the greatest Thanksgiving experience ever? By making sure to bring the tur-key.

9. With Coronavirus being a possible concern this year, what’s likely to be the most popular side dish? Masked potatoes.

10. What kind of ‘tude is appropriate at the family dinner? Gratitude.

White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

Commenting on the bias and/or reliability of a source is meaningless unless accompanied by refutation of the information presented in the article.
Just find another source. I purposely don't use Fox , Newsmax, and other right leaning outlets because I know what the reaction is going to be
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SCOTUS' conservative majority makes a surprise decision

In August, [previous post] US district judge Anna Manasco, a Trump appointee, had ruled the map Alabama Republicans adopted in 2021 diluted the influence of Black voters in the area around the state capital of Montgomery, which was a violation of the Voting Rights Act. After the Alabama legislature declined to implement a new map, she appointed a special master to come up with a new one. The special master invited members of the public to submit possible plans.

In a surprising decision, the map she chose wasn’t one drafted by a court-appointed special master and his expert cartographer, but rather one that had been submitted by an anonymous member of the public, known only by their initials, “DD”.

The decision stunned “DD” – an 18-year-old freshman at the University of Alabama named Daniel DiDonato – who learned his map had been selected as he was preparing to leave for his 9.30am introduction to political science class.

DiDonato, who grew up in Russell county along the border between Alabama and Georgia, was the only member of the public to [submit a plan]. In early October, he spent a few days staying up late in his dorm drawing potential maps that could give Black voters a better chance of electing their preferred candidates.

He used a free online software, Dave’s Redistricting App, to draw the lines. He had begun playing around with it about a year ago, amid a budding fascination with redistricting.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Trump ‘Wouldn’t Have Wanted’ Second Strike on Venezuela Boat

["Hegseth] said he didn’t do it, so I don’t have to make that decision,” Trump said, adding when pressed yet again about the legality of the strikes: "I wouldn't have wanted that - a second strike. The first strike was very lethal. It was fine."

“Pete said he did not order the death of those men,” Trump said when asked again about a second strike on the boat, and avoided answering whether he would have been okay with a second strike if Hegseth had ordered one.
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Scientists find coastal seas acidifying shockingly fast

In correct. I was about to get solar panels put on (and then my basement had a leak nad needed to get replaced).

The system paid for itself in 20 years and most of the system had a 30yr warranty (certain things only being 15).

In the time I was considering it, max panel size available for sale went from 440W to 500W. So if I got the stronger panels it also paid off quicker.


Wind literally does nothing. They've painted one aerolon black and bird deaths went down 70%.

Lithium is extracted from the sea water.

It's not like O&G don't have problems at their extraction or processing points either so not sure what you're getting at.

People change their internal combustion engine cars like, every 10 years.... They don't last NEAAAARLY as long as a solar array on a rooftop would last.

How long does a battery last in an EV before it has to be replaced? Then, what happens to that old battery?
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How a remote island in Indonesia forms hundreds of priests for the world

Roughly 500 miles east of Bali lies the island of Flores, a vocational powerhouse that supplies seminarians not only to Indonesia but also to Catholic communities around the world. Catholicism first arrived here in the 16th century, when Portuguese spice traders brought missionaries to the rugged, mountainous island. Today, the faith is deeply rooted, with more than 80% of the island’s 2 million people being Catholic.

Flores hosts several seminaries, most clustered around Maumere on the island’s northern coast. Religious congregations including the Society of the Divine Word (SVD), the Somascan Fathers, the Rogationists, the Vocationists, and the Carmelites all operate seminaries there, creating a dense network of vocational formation rarely found elsewhere in Asia.

Archbishop Paulus Budi Kleden, SVD, of Ende and a native of Flores, stressed the island’s importance not just for the Indonesian Church but for dioceses and religious congregations worldwide.

“Many of the alumni of these seminaries are working outside the country,” he noted, highlighting the island’s contribution to the global clergy. A thriving minor seminary system also feeds this pipeline, which currently has 650 students enrolled at the junior and senior high school level.

Continued below.

What is the true congregation?

The early congregation is our example.

Indeed, the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches, such as the Orthodox Church of Finland, or the Syriac Orthodox Church which has a large presence in Sweden, and the Assyrian Church of the East, also numerous in Scandinavia, and other traditional liturgical churches such as the confessional Lutheran churches (such as the Lutheran Church of Latvia), the Continuing Anglicans and other traditional Anglicans of GAFCON, traditional Old Catholics such as the Polish National Catholic Church (despite the name, they consist mainly of Polish Americans in the US) and the Norwegian Catholic Church (which exists mainly in Norway) and traditional Roman Catholics, particularly those using the Traditional Latin Mass, which is one of the oldest liturgies in continual use, despite refinements to the rubrics and music under Byzantine and Gallican influence (it was originally a very minimalist liturgy compared to other Western liturgies such as the Mozarabic, Gallican and Beneventan liturgies).
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