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I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

Even enemies of the Gospel are saved, don't you know? Romans 11:26-32
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Luke 16:24 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'

Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Mar 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire—

Mat 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
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Daniel 11:40-44, followed by Armageddon

That is not an answer because Dan. 11:21-34 is about Antiochus Epiphanes. I have done an Exegesis where I explain every verse. You can't explain when you have the wrong people and verses sister.


All this has nothing to do with Prophesy. 150 years ago people laughed at those we stated Israel would be reborn, and the Scientists all stated the Universe had to be eternal. The Big Bang proved God's word true, that the Universe had a beginning, thus it had to have been created. It was, God spoke matter into being which started with a loud noise by His actionable spoken word to go forth.

We can be like our forefathers 150 years ago and stand on the word or look to the world and try to insert our assumptions. They above, which you wrote, is never told unto us anywhere in the bible, you assume he is a Muslim, I assume correctly he can only be an Atheist. Why?

1.) He will serve NO GODS as Dan. 11:36-37 says.

2.) He will kill off False Religion or the Harlot. Is Islam false religion? Yes, so he will have the 10 (E.U.) destroy all religions save Beast worship, that will include the E.U./Anti-Christ coming against Muslims, Hinduism, Buddhism, Witchcraft, Christendom of the Remnant, Judaism et al.

3.) No Muslim nation is powerful enough to do squat. They never have been in the modern world.

4.) The AC and E.U. only conquer a certain area, not the whole world. We se 1/3 of the world is on fire by the Rev. 8 Asteroid, I see that as the New World, that is why the USA is not involved, Satan understands the bible, he knows this is coming, so he will wait until this TAKES OUT the USA before he makes his move. Then the E.U. only conquers what we see in Dan. 11:40-43, countries in between him and Israel, which would be Turkey, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon, and all of Northern Iraq, but can not conquer the Petra and Bozrah region (Moab, Ammon and Edom).


5.) There is trouble out of the East and North........HOW if he has conquered the whole world could he have trouble. And Jesus says he he had not cut the AC's life short (to only 1260 days of rule as the Beast) he would have killed all humans on earth. Meaning Nuclear War, and you do not have wars against those you have conquered already. He has ONE JOB in his mind, to kill every Jew so he can rove God wrong.

Nowhere in the bible is a Muslim horde coming against Israel in the end time. The Gog and Magog War has Russia, leading Turkey and Iran against Israel and God wipes out 5/6 of their Armies, why not all? Because God wants the AC to go forth against Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region, but he wants Russia to be able to protect herself from this mad man. In the Gog wars not nation with a common border with Israel goes to war against Israel, did you know that? Thus the Abraham Accord was a needed Agreement and that is one main reason Trump was elected in 2016. The E.U. will wipe out all religion in the E.U. and in the Mediterranean Sea Region the conquer, not in Indonesia, India, etc. etc. Muslims will be wiped out in the E.U. and the region he conquers.
Have you ever seen how rich Islam is when the West is drowning in debt? The World`s Golden rule - He who the gold, rules. The A/C comes in deceptively. That is how he will take hold, by deception. (Dan. 8: 25 11: 21)

1) I agree for although he comes from Islam he will `magnify himself above every god...` (Dan. 11: 36)

2) Yes he will destroy the United Nations hold over all religions and the religions too.

3)The Muslims are increasing in numbers (8 children to 1 - 2 in the West). They know how to deceive the West.

4) All the nations of the world get judged by God. `I will gather ALL nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there on account of my people Israe...` (Joel 3: 2)

5)The Russian war with some others includes only the Shia part of Islam which is only 10%. The Sunni are the majority and are waiting for their Messiah to rise and then they will all join him.

The anti- Christ.

His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)

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WHY DID TONGUES STOP ?

And I looked up 1 Cor 13:10. and it said (. TO TELEIOS. ). is and ADJECRIVE , and means , IS PERFECT

in. the. Accusative Case , in the Singular , in. the NEUTER which means Male or Female .

Are you sure you. had the right verse. ??

dan p
Neuter does not mean Male nor female, it means neither.
to teleios can mean "perfect" but does not always. Look at how Paul uses it in Eph. 4.
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The fascinating reformed theology paradox of Hebrew 6:4-6

You are using circular reasoning.

You made the points:
  1. The tasters fell away.
  2. Tasting is only superficial, not real embracement.
  3. Therefore, the people described in Hebrews 6:4–6 were never truly saved.

Here’s why that reasoning is circular:


  • The text of Hebrews 6 itself says these people were “once enlightened,” “tasted the heavenly gift,” “partakers of the Holy Spirit,” and “tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come.” Those are strong terms that, at face value, sound like genuine spiritual experience.
  • To avoid the conclusion that real believers can fall away, you redefines “tasting” as “only superficial.”
  • But their only reason for redefining it is because you already assume true believers can’t fall away.

In other words:


  • Premise: True believers can’t fall away.
  • Evidence: These tasters fell away.
  • Solution: Then they must not have been true believers.
  • Why not? Because tasting was only superficial.
  • How do we know tasting was superficial? Because they fell away.

That’s the circle. The conclusion (“they weren’t true believers”) is smuggled into the premise (“true believers can’t fall away”), rather than being shown from the text itself.

In short, That’s circular reasoning because you’re defining ‘tasting’ as superficial only because they fell away, and then using their falling away to prove it was superficial — the argument assumes its own conclusion instead of proving it.

That was very good.
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Charlie Kirk Fans Assault, Dogpile Charlie Kirk Hater at Charlie Kirk Vigil

My comment was not directed at you specifically (and you must admit that you are far from the hermeneutical position of Conservative thinking on hermeneutics). NxNW's remarks about the "perfection" of the Bible was not his own opinion but a comment about how the Bible has been represented to him as an authority for the conservative political agenda.

Funny how he didnt mention how the Bible is used as an authority for the liberal political agenda.
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At least two students shot in active shooter situation at Evergreen High School

Colorado school teen shooter had an account on "violent gore" site months before shooting, ADL says

According to the ADL report, several school shooters in the past year, including Holly, had been active on the same website, which the organization says is known for hosting content backing white supremacist ideas as well as material portraying graphic violence against both people and animals. People can navigate to the website, WatchPeopleDie, and access a forum where they can watch real images of beheadings, shootings and other violence. The site started on Reddit before being banned in March 2019.

"We're talking about thousands of people who are on these spaces," ADL Senior Vice President of Counter-Extremism and Intelligence, Oren Segal, told CBS News. "There's no friction to access — anybody can do it."

The website Holly used was also frequented, the ADL says, by other individuals who have carried out school shootings.

And people want to say there is no evil and there is no devil. Extremely sick and twisted stuff.
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Difficulties with finding a church

We had a similar problem as well but I wouldn’t say it’s the fault of the church per se. The settings were warm and engaging and the teachings weren’t off course. The churches were nice but weren’t enough for what we’re seeking at this juncture. I realized we’d have to build our own and foster the connections we lacked.

What one person requires for spiritual fulfillment will differ from the next and that’s okay. Churches come in many flavors and the majority find what they need to some degree. But when that isn’t so you may have to think outside the box and that’s the gray in all of this. How do you address instruction and fellowship outside of that setting? Worship and study isn’t hard to do alone but what about support? There’s a lot of people on the site who don’t have a home church and loneliness is a common complaint. Maybe you can work together?

I think it’s best if you know what you want and note what matters. Defining your musts and maybes can make the search easier.

~bella
Basically I think what I am looking for would be a Christ-centred congregation. Moderately reformed, close to the centre evangelically. I don't want to join churches that are Zwinglian in theological orientation, or separationist, or restorationist.

The denom. I was christened in has over more recent years become somewhat authoritarian in its leadership. There have been questions surrounding accountability within it. Several issues with ministers or members in it that have made the local papers.
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Charlie Kirk's Opinions Didn't Deserve Him Being Murdered

I'd rather stick with your headline: his opinions didn't deserve him being murdered.

I didn't follow his radio show or his YouTube stuff. News sources have told me that he was a conservative political activist, and I'm pretty liberal, so I assume there are things he and I disagreed about. There might be a future time when I go through his YouTube archive and catalogue some of those disagreements. But right now, a human being is dead who shouldn't be dead.
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New belief among teenagers. What do you think?

Science tells us that something cannot come from nothing. Thus, according to science, there was something (not just evidence of something, but something) there before the Big Bang. What was there before the Big Bang we call God.
The third sentence is not consequential upon the second. It is not ruled out by it, but nothing leads to it automatically. That is the function of faith.
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Trump says suspect in custody in killing of Charlie Kirk

In this case “The Left” was one troubled young man. And “radicalized?” No free choice in the matter? Like ignorant little sheep?

In this case we have a young man who committed a heinous acts if evil who was radicalized by the left into believing the rhetoric of the left.
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AI's Take On Religious Hypocrisy...

You all should be careful of treating AI as some kind of oracle.

Also, the argument about Christianity being valid or not, by looking at countries like the United States and its social problems, could potentially be flattening alot of nuance and complexity. Which is something that LLM's like ChatGPT are more than capable of doing, especially if you don't consider multiple perspectives simultaneously. You need to look at the mythopoetic and symbolic, the rational-analytical, and the actual historical-material and political-economic circumstances together.

Not to include the whole of Christianity, I'm absolutely certain, some churches still preach the Gospel of Jesus. They're just not the majority.

Sufficing to say, the two most dangerous and highest crime index nations and many other high % Christians nations show the same correlation. Have missionaries made these countries worse?

Matthew 23:15
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

You don't need to AI to spot these correlations. You just need to look at statistics and as a Christian who had been through more than one denomination, I can see the false teachings that cause caused these problems. They regard material wealth with great esteem (the love of money is the root of all evil) and they regard problems as a personal challenge, not something that needs attention and fixing so instead of helping the needy, they act like a Pharisee on the matter.

These converted countries turned to be twice more evil than the mission-sending countries and have many qualities of the Pharisee. Hypocrisy, love of money, indulgent living, worldly standard of judgement, people-pleasing/esteem of worldly status, indifference to the poor, and attachment to tradition than the truth.

I guarantee you, if there is a church that strongly preach against these things, the tares will avoid that church. Many churches may seem to preach against against worldliness but they also preach it's also okay to indulge at times or have worldly things "as long as it doesn't get to your head" "as long as you did not obsessively chased after it" "as long as you don't elevate their importance above God". Those are all false teachings that seem right which makes it very deceptive and misleading and why seeing problems in Christianity.

But if all Churches be preaching the truth, Christianity will become a minority religion. The 32% global share can drop to just 5% or even just 1% or less. Remember John 6:66 which is a realistic outcome of people hearing the truth. The majority will hate it.
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