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Kilauea Volcano is spectacular today.

Eruption resumed high fountaining with episode 37 about one hour ago. Video streams are posted in posts #5, 12, 68. Video has 12 hour scroll back. Episode should last 5-10 hours or so.

Only the north vent today, but a double fountain from it. Here's a big tongue of lava reaching the far side of the caldera:

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The slight shade change on this side of the hot lava tongue from dark grey w/ white spots to a browner color is the limit of lava flows in this eruption over the last 11 months (lined up with the near edge of the black flow to the left.
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

I never said anything about Paul being married, not sure where that came from.

But I did demonstrate exegetically that he new how to abound and how to suffer lack of

I used his own words to demonstrate.

We will have to disagree.

What do you think he meant by “abound”? Are you suggesting he was living luxuriously, with abundant wealth? I would assume not. I am not claiming that St. Paul engaged in the kind of self-abasement one associates with some, but rather asceticism from the perspective of moral restraint and living only for Christ. Even a monastery has its beautiful portions, and I have never seen one devoid of creature comforts.

My primary objection is of course to the Word of Faith / Prosperity Gospel view that suggests the Apostles enjoyed great riches.
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So far, at least nine (now ~40) (now ~160) judges, including Trump appointees, have called a halt to Trump executive actions

Thousands of immigrants could be eligible for bond hearings, striking down DHS policy: Judge

A federal judge has struck down a Department of Homeland Security policy implemented in July that forced most immigrants who entered the United States without inspection to remain in detention throughout their removal proceedings.

The decision could potentially allow thousands of immigrants who have been subject to mandatory detention to be released.

On Tuesday, Judge Sunshine Suzanne Sykes in California certified a class granting relief to migrants who “have entered or will enter the United States without inspection” and those who were not initially detained when they came into the country.

[Class actions can still trigger nationwide effects.]
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Conservative Marc Theissen column: Trump built a winning coalition. White nationalists will destroy it.

Yes, Fuentes has appeared on other people's podcasts, which are popular. But
It says nothing about Fuentes having an increased fan base of his own.
That might possibly be devastating to someone who had made such a claim. As it is, the claim I made is substantiated.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

I am not just meaning conspiracy. I am meaning the promotion of any misleading or misrepresentation of something. Using fallacies to misrepresent the facts or truths creates a false narrative like a conspiracy.
Use the right words, especially if you know them. Looseness in speech is not a virtue.
Hum then the language doesn't match. Language has been used that dismisses even the idea of ancient advanced knowledge full stop. This is done by explaining away that knowledge using the orthodox narrative as the go to explanation for everything without any evidence. Then accusing those who suggest alternative ideas as not having any evidence. Double standards. Part of forcing the orthodoxy.
Explanations are not evidence. Explanations *explain* evidence. The "orthodox narrative" is entirely based on evidence. The "alternative ideas" have the same evidence to work with. The question arises if one, the other, neither, or both work with the evidence.
What. I am pretty sure I can find direct contradictions to this in this thread. If I had suggested that the ancients gained their knowledge from extraterrestrials I would be piled on lol. There would be cries 'see we told you this is all quackery' lol.
Quite possibly. It would all come down to if the evidence supports an ET theory or does not. This is the problem with playing with the bright flames of pseudoscience -- it can burn you.
:scratch: Now I am really confused lol. So believing the ancients maybe messed around with nature, physics, chemistry, astronomy and had real effects is ok a position to hold. Or maybe if a culture gained this knowledge they passed it on and we should believe the ancients when they say that their ancestors had advanced knowledge.

This is all ok. Is that what your saying. That its a legitimate belief and position to take that may be based on the truth.
It's not OK. It is a poor position to take as it is not supported by evidence. Just because it isn't a conspiracy doesn't mean it isn't a dumb idea.
Huh, why. What if it was an inside job. Like I said usually when there is some questioning its based on some truth. This is usually some inconsistencies in what happened. Its not a complete baseless idea. As opposed to say the many other events that don't get questioned because there is nothing suspicious.

I am not saying that 9/11 was an inside job. But the idea that questioning whether something was an inside job is not a conspiracy itself.
That's exactly what the "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracy theory is Steve.
Once again there is usually some basis. It may have been nothing to do with the marfia actually killing Kennedy. But it may be that the Marfia was associated with Kennedy and that fueled the speculation. Its never based on nothing and made out of thin air. Otherwise the conspirators have nothing to use as the reason.
Conspiracy theories are built by frantic putting of unrelated factoids together because "it just makes sense." JFK was murdered by dissolusioned communist (and former defector to the USSR) with an Italian infantry rifle from the window of the schoolbook warehouse that he worked at.
Plus I think a fair number of what were considered conspiracies actually were proven true. So saying this situation or that situation is a conspiracy is unjustified as we don't know. Because the unlikely has been shown to be fact before then any conspiracy may be proven fact. We don't know the deep State and all the hidden stuff that power has kept from everyone.
Wow. You even bring up extra conspiracy theories without prompting like "the Deep State".
Look at Epstein which is starting to come out now. People have no idea of what was going on behind closed doors. But usually where theres smoke theres fire.
And his co-conspirator was convicted of conspiracy. But we aren't talking about criminal conspiracies we are listing nut-job conspiracy theories so that you can understand what one is and how ancient Egyptian potter manufacture is not one.
What about now. Up to 30 top officials with top level clearence testifying under oath in congress. Soon more will come out. How many people need to testify before its believed.

What about all the sightings. Sure some were human made drones. But many unexplained. Direct images and video from military hardware. From individuals phones and cameras all over the world. Was this just mass hallucinations.
None of those have anything to do with the conspiracy theories about the Roswell "incident". (And many of them have already been discredited. My favorite is the "UFO" tracked by a fighter jet over the ocean that turns out to be a bird.)
As mentioned these conspiracies are usually based on grains of truth. It may not have been that Dr. Faucci helped the Chinese to create Covid. But his department were involved in funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology who were working on the Covid virus. Two of the papers from that lab spoke about working on the virus and how this could create new unnatural mutations of the virus.
Not all coronaviruses are SARS-CoV-2 and that virus was first isolated from the Wuhan hospitals, not in a lab source.
So its not based on nothing and there is even some questions still unanswered. Just like ancient legends are based on some truth of an event happening that has been elaborated on. So we should not be dismissing people who ask these questions. But encourage this as this will help find the truth.

I am not the one evoking conspiracies. Any time I have mentioned this has been in response to someone making it about conspiracies or pseudoscience and I have to defend the sources. Have to explain its not actually a conspiracy or pseudoscience.
Conspiracy and pseudoscience are not the same thing. We have repeated called out the pseudoscience you have posted here. We (the "not you" posters) have not claimed anything is "a conspiracy". That is only you complaining that we are calling things conspiracies that were not in fact or implication. That failure on your part is why I wrote the post you just replied to. Is it starting to sink in?
The fact we are arguing over whether this is the case or not is the evidence that the thread has been turned that way lol. And it was not me who did this.
See last paragraph. It is because you have incorrectly introduced the term "conspiracy" in you accusations when we call out the pseudoscience in your posts.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

I couldn't agree more. But aren't you promoting the same thing by judging one of God's Commandments given in Exodus 20, as "not a moral command", and then pitting that LAW against the other Laws defined for us in Exodus 20?
As an isolated argument "the 4th is not innate moral action but the others are" I am no different, I'm isolating the 4th as a "have not" law over a "have". But that's not my motivation, rather it is to challenge this terminology "moral law" when used to isolate the 10. What makes the 10 more moral than the others? Christ himself quotes outside of the 10 when quoting the greatest, is that not enough? In a strict sense, moral is a poor word to use to separate which laws are better than others because you're right, we should not be making qualitative judgments on these laws and the whole law should be received the same.

Sabbath law is complicated and it can have moral alignment as it pertains to monotheistic practice but in an ancient landscape that is driven by pagan symbolism. It is rooted in the 7th day yet where is the 7th day rooted? Sure in creation, but where does 7 come from? A critical study would reveal that the number 7 already had strong value in Semitic or ANE cultures derived from lunar activity, going back further than Abraham and from that, pagan rituals were developed and rooted in daily practice. The 7 day week may be something unique to Hebrews but the reason behind why 7 as a value is not unique to Hebrews and has deeper roots. There was already pagan practices and pagan ideologies in keeping the number 7, including counting days, notably the Babylonians saw the days 7, 14, 21, 28 as evil days and nobility would hide away during these days (a "rest adjacent" concept). It's not that the Hebrews borrowed or adopted 7 or other cultural practices like Babylonian, which are distinct; it's that they inherited it, they were born into this system, and it was already established values, but instead of rejecting it, they used it to point to God.

Commandments 1-3 are a bit redundant, critically speaking as all can be implicit in monotheism so don't need to be said yet, because of wide practice and outside influence, monotheism had to be a belaboured point. It was not just "no other gods" but clarification for graven images too (despite it basically being the same thing) and not taking God's name in vain. On top of all that it was also how to keep 7, which was needed to be defined as there was already a wide practice that was not consistent with the first 3 commandments. So 7 is intentionally redirected to be rooted in monotheism over lunar activity (which is probably also why the Hebrews don't align 7 day weeks with lunar months using extra days like the Babylonians) while at the same time pointing to a monotheistic creation origin.

The 4th is moral in the sense it rescues 7 and uniquely defines it to redirect pagan influence of the number/day to worship and rest. Routine rest can also be seen as a moral responsibility for healthy living as individuals and communities, this is coupled with the rescued number of 7 to make an ordained day of rest used for worship of God. It's remember the Sabbath day to keep monotheism over remember the 7 day because innately 7 is special (that all their pagan neighbours would say). It is recognizing something that would have strong pagan influence, leaning into it and redirecting it to worship to God as well as breathing into it theological and redemptive significance. Like creation, the 7 day practice and the number 7 itself also has it's origins in darkness where light is spoken into it and new life, along with meaning and purpose breathed into it. Creation is a part of this redirection, so is the sabbath law.

Today the day can be decoupled from these requirements as there is no longer a purpose to rescue it from pagan influence. Certainly, there is a different kind of cultural creep happening where you can say 7th day value systems are still needed and still used as a polemic but there is no need to directly rescue the physical day from corruption; but rather the need and polemic focus should be in ourselves over a day. In this respect, the 4th is deeply embedded in a monotheistic-centred morality purposed at sanctifying our corrupted ways and redirected to an upward focus. It served as a polemic to surrounding nations while Israel served as the priest, showing this upward focus and this still can be the focus today. the day and number don't carry the meaning they did in ANE culture and have become culturally irrelevant in carrying the purposed message, instead Christ is the focus that continues to carry this meaning.

This is the long way to say the sabbath law is moral but it shows how deeply impactful these laws are to the place and time they were presented. (because isolated ritual rest has no moral significance today). It's not about if it's moral or not, they were all morally centred (even the boring ones) and all about redirection to an upward focus with an outflowing of justice, mercy and compassion, even to spread that outwards to all the world. But the letter itself today may not easily align with those goals using cultural moores of today so it is not the letter we continue to spread but Christ who fully captures it (and of course he is the overall purpose) and it is he we preach, not the letter, and he we spread, not the letter. Christ's law is loving God first (that upward focus), then loving neighbour as yourself (that outflow focus). It's a heuristic approach to keeping law, and polemically speaking, it contrasts both legalism of the law and those outside of God.

So it's all moral, but if all we see is the surface letter and labels, then we've turned it into something else that Christ speaks against, even using labels to pit law against itself, which is self-destructive and logically incoherent. I get the protest to the language saying Christ does away with law, but the thing we do need to embrace is the action that Christ does to law (whatever word we use to describe this), he does to all of law, and it's not selective, there is no special law that is above or in parallel with Christ, it's all inferior to Christ. Whatever Christ did to circumcision and the sacrifice, he also did to the 10 commandments. So this requires us to improve our language and not be caught saying law is thrown away or erased or abolished (or whatever throw-away word we use), but that it is valued and kept wholly through Christ.
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Young Girls Were Sexually Abused by a Church Member (Old Apostolic Lutheran Church, MN). They Were Told to Forgive and Forget.

That makes me mad ,that people knew. And didn't take care of the problem. The same thing happened, when I was growing up in foster care. Many child rapists. My foster dad was a drill sergeant. He knew this was going on. But did not take care of the problem.
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Federal agents launch another operation in St. Paul

Maybe this is all a bit overboard just to arrest a single person. Aren’t you all about cutting waste and improving government efficiency? This is horribly inefficient and wasteful and not to mention, cruel to treat normal Americans like they’re some enemy force.
The victims of the criminals may very well see it differently. While this guy had been deported before and was able to return, it will be extremely difficult for him to enter our country again, at least during this administration. The bottom line is that we have to decide if we are a nation of laws or not, decide if our Republic is to continue.
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MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

Seems to me like there is so many versions of bible Prophecy as their are Christian religions. So how are we to know who is right and who is wrong?
I am kind of amazed that there is zero curiosity about the fact that from the first year of the times of the gentiles, when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Judea until Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD is 666 years. I mean that is what that part of Revelation is about. The times or age of the four gentile empires. Why would it not be relevant then? Why every crazy interpretation that can possibly be imagined other than the one that is relevant to the subject matter? 597 BC - 70 AD by the way. There is no year zero making it 666 years.
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Prayer is the key

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Prayer is the key

Tenderness is the virtue that allows the love in your heart to be expressed through touch, sight, and speech.
God is love; therefore, during My time on earth, My love was revealed through the touch of My hands,
the gaze of My eyes, and the words I spoke.
—The Love Crucified Community, The Simple Path to Union with God (p. 279)

I believe that, although there are exceptions, men often feel more at ease with aggressive emotions than with tenderness. Yet there are moments when tenderness emerges—toward children who need protection, or towards the elderly. Much of my monastic journey has been about learning to accept these softer emotions. I am still on that path. At times, it is hard to endure the inner landscape of my own heart.

As a late bloomer, I learned early to keep aggression in check—losing fights was not attractive. So, I repressed it, and when repression failed, I endured it. Later, in the Navy and through weightlifting, I became more aware of my aggression, shielded by physical strength. My personality has always been non-threatening, and growing up in a large family taught me how to navigate different temperaments.

Life in the monastery deepened my self-awareness and awakened a longing for inner healing. The more I prayed, the more I sensed this need. For years, I spoke little about it, until around age forty, when the strain began to affect my health. Inner healing is slow, as anyone seeking union with God discovers. I uncovered hidden trust issues beyond my reach. The first step was awareness—recognizing how pain, anger, and mistrust could distort life and breed chaos.

To love God fully, inner healing is essential. Pain is a wake-up call; ignore it, and life becomes harder. Prayer and my relationship with Christ kept me from self-medicating, though food has always been a struggle. Learning self-love has been the hardest lesson—growing through failure, rising again. God commands us to love ourselves, and the fact that it is a command reveals its difficulty.

Breakthroughs often come in dreams or through upheaval—like heart surgery. That crisis exposed my vulnerability and changed me. My heart feels lighter now; I sense love more deeply. It took seventy-six years to reach this point.

It is all grace. My part is simple: show up, get up, don’t give up. Slowly, the Holy Spirit works. Progress is slow because, on many levels, I still wrestle with God. Prayer is the key, and trust opens the heart to Christ Jesus.
—Br. MD

Happy Thanksgiving (with Thanksgiving verses)

Here's an idea for this coming Thursday's Thanksgiving time. You're around the table, either for lunch or dinner. Your guests are there, and who knows what they will want to talk about. But YOU are the host. You get to pick the "table topic." When everyone has had their share of roast turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, and corn, before serving the dessert, have them read and share their take on "10 Bible verses" connected with "giving thanks." What do these verses tell you? How do you personally relate to these verses?

If you have 10 guests, each guest gets a verse. If there are 5 guests, each one gets 2 verses. Do the math, divide up the verses, and let that be the "Table Talk" before dessert.

1 Thessalonians 5:18; Psalm 100:4; Psalm 9:1; Psalm 7:17 1 Chronicles 16:34; Philippians 4:6; Colossians 3:15; 4:2; Psalm 50:14

2 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 15:57

Celebrate Thanksgiving with "Thanksgiving Bible/Torah Verses

Here's an idea for this coming Thursday's Thanksgiving time. You're around the table, either for lunch or dinner. Your guests are there, and who knows what they will want to talk about. But YOU are the host. You get to pick the "table topic." When everyone has had their share of roast turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, and corn, before serving the dessert, have them read and share their take on "10 Bible verses" connected with "giving thanks." What do these verses tell you? How do you personally relate to these verses?

If you have 10 guests, each guest gets a verse. If there are 5 guests, each one gets 2 verses. Do the math, divide up the verses, and let that be the "Table Talk" before dessert.

1 Thessalonians 5:18; Psalm 100:4; Psalm 9:1; Psalm 7:17 1 Chronicles 16:34; Philippians 4:6; Colossians 3:15; 4:2; Psalm 50:14

2 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 15:57

Let's Track the Economy (with objective empirical data?)

Trump Canceling GDP Report Comes Under Scrutiny

The U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis said on Monday that it has canceled the release of its advance estimate of third-quarter GDP. [And no future release date has been set.]

The department said the release was being canceled due to disruption caused by the federal government shutdown, but the announcement has sparked criticism and speculation that the report is being held because of disappointing data.
Thanks for keeping up on this.
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