samaus123456789 said:

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457BC, and 444 BC both have problems. It was going to be 49 years until the city was rebuilt. The decree given 445 BC was only for the walls ,and they rebuilt them in 52 days (Nehemiah 4) so by 445 BC the whole city had been rebuilt. 445-49=396 BC, 457- 49 = 408 BC but again everything was rebuilt by 445 BC. If 445 BC was the end of 49 years then it means "the decree" went out 49 years earlier 494 BC but then that poses problems for the crucifixion date. If you use an earlier decree of Cyrus or Darius it causes even worse problems for the crucifixion date. So.... the archaeological dates appear to be wrong. It might be easier to date the crucifixion using NT sources like you did then work backwards.


2 Thessalonians 2 meant the physical standing temple at the time that had the holy spirit in it. This ceased to exist 70 AD. The prophecy is set within the first century. It happened before 70 AD.

All of Math 24 happened 70 AD. See the thread on Enoch, and Jude I made. Jude, and 1 Enoch
Revelation was written 41 AD. Paul in 2 Corinthians 55 AD said he knew someone 14 years earlier caught up to heaven that saw things that can't be written which is what happens to John in Revelation; an angel tells him don't write some things down. Paul doesn't say it was the author of Revelation he is talking about because he does not want to boast. Internally in Rev 11 the temple is still standing, and being destroyed, and Daniel 9 which ended 70 AD said vision, and prophecy would stop 70 AD, and Revelation contains vision, and prophecy. I reject external evidence if it conflicts with inspired scripture therefore I reject apocryphal acts of John (150 AD), and Irenaeus (180 AD) that say Revelation was written in the 90s AD under Domitian.
63-70 AD was the final 7. Eleazar Ben Hanania stops the daily sacrifice in the temple 66 AD that the Judeans had been doing for the Romans (not the torah ones) [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing off the Romans, and starting the Judean Roman wars. The torah ones stopped 70 AD due to no one do do them. It is referring to these daily sacrifices Exodus 29.38-43; Numbers 28:1-8 Leviticus 6.8-13. When the daily sacrifice stops in Dan8, and 11, and someone puts up an abomination of desolation in the temple that was about Maccabees, and Antiochus 4 when he stopped the animal sacrifices, and put a greek god statue in the temple so when Dan 9 uses the same language it is about stopping sacrifices in the temple, and someone putting a statue in it around 70 AD. It is not about Jesus holding up the cup, and saying this is the new covenant, and he did not put a statue in the temple. I will make another post about the problems with the Daniel decree numbers.

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Dear Brother, Thank you for the reply and wonderful interest in history and deeply study to understand deeply the word of God. I want to give response point by point of your response.

1) On 457, 445/444, 494 BC and the “49 years”​

You’re right to press this hard, the decree issue is the single most contentious hinge in Daniel studies.

• Daniel 9:25 speaks of “seven sevens and sixty-two sevens” (שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים וּשְׁשִׁים וּשְׁנַיִם). Many interpreters read the “seven sevens” (49 years) as a phrase expecting a building phase. That’s a legitimate reading.
• Nehemiah 2 (20th year of Artaxerxes) (commonly dated ~445/444 BC) is a decree that focuses on the walls (Ne 2), and Nehemiah reports the walls rebuilt in a short time (Ne 6:15 says 52 days). That strongly supports the view that the walls were repaired quickly after Nehemiah’s mission.
• Ezra 7 (457 BC), by contrast, is a broader decree with restoration language (including re-establishing temple services, the law, and community life). Daniel’s phrase מִן-מֹצָא דָּבָר לְהָשִׁיב וּלִבְנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם “from the issuing of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem” can be read as pointing to a restoration decree (Ezra) rather than a narrow wall decree.

So your observation is historically exact: if one treats Nehemiah’s decree as the starting point, the math and the meaning of “seven sevens” need careful handling. If the walls were rebuilt by 445, then the 49-year expectation must be read differently (e.g., the 49 years could refer to complete civil/ritual restoration rather than walls alone). That’s why scholars disagree: different decrees produce different chronologies.

Bottom line: You’re right to point out the tension. It’s honest to say no decree candidate is problem-free. The best way forward is to test each decree (Cyrus, Darius, Artaxerxes 7/Ezra 457, Artaxerxes 20/Nehemiah 445) against (a) Daniel’s Hebrew wording, (b) what the decree actually authorized, and (c) the NT data about Jesus’ ministry.

2) On using New Testament anchors (dating the crucifixion and working backward)​

That is a very practical and scriptural method. The Gospels give multiple synchronisms:

• John places Jesus’ ministry around the fifteenth year of Tiberius (Luke 3:1 context), and Luke indicates Jesus was “about thirty” when he began (Luke 3:23).
• The synoptic chronology, passion narratives, and Passover timing converge on c. 30–33 AD as the plausible window for the crucifixion.

So yes ! using the NT first to set the crucifixion window, then testing which decree and calendar system best lines up with that window, is a sensible hermeneutical strategy. If a particular decree + calendar forces a crucifixion year outside 30–33 AD, that’s a strong strike against that option.

3) On 360-day prophetic years and the calendar question​

You rightly point to several texts that use symbolic/360-day reckoning (e.g., Revelation’s 1,260 days / 42 months / 3½ years). The prophetic calendar is a real phenomenon in apocalyptic literature.
Important cautions:

• Daniel 9 does not use days, it uses שָׁבֻעִים (“weeks” = sevens). The text itself does not specify how many days to a prophetic year. Applying a 360-day year is interpretive rather than mandated by Daniel’s Hebrew.
• If you choose to convert 483 “years” into 360-day prophetic years the arithmetic will shift the resulting AD date (as interlocutors showed). That arithmetic can be done, but it’s a hermeneutical option, not a textual requirement.

So your approach is consistent and defensible if you explicitly state you are imposing a prophetic/360-day year on Daniel. The critics’ pushback is mostly that Daniel’s language doesn’t compel that move.

4) On Eleazar ben Hanania (stopping sacrifices) and the 63–70 AD final week​

You’re right: Josephus records that the zealots interfered with sacrificial practice and that the Jewish War disrupted regular temple service (see Josephus, The Jewish War). That event is a plausible historical candidate for a “stopping of sacrifices” in a historical fulfillment sense.

But a few clarifications:

• In Daniel’s context (and classical interpretation of v.27), the figure who “makes a covenant with many” and then “puts an end to sacrifice and offering” sounds like a centralized ruler who asserts authority and sets up an abomination. Antiochus IV (the Maccabean type) fits that mold historically for Dan 8/11; some interpreters see a Roman/antichristic figure in v.27.
• Eleazar/the Zealots stopping sacrifices is better read as internal cessation (a breakdown caused by factional Jewish action during the revolt) rather than an external ruler imposing an abomination. That’s why many see 66–70 AD as a partial, typological fulfillment (a local realization of the pattern), but not the complete fulfillment of the covenant-making/abomination language that Daniel 9:27 seems to require.
• In short: 66–70 AD is important and typological, but the full suite of Daniel 9:27 details (covenant with many, abomination, global consequences, consummation) are not exhaustively matched by the Zealot activity recorded by Josephus.

5) On Matthew 24, 2 Thessalonians 2 and the scope of fulfillment​

You assert strongly that Matthew 24 and 2 Thess 2 are fulfilled in AD 70. That is a legitimate preterist position (especially full preterism or classical preterism). A few balanced observations:

• Partial/preterist readings: Many elements of Jesus’ Olivet discourse refer to the coming destruction of the Temple and the judgment on Jerusalem (AD 70). Jesus uses that event as a type or foreshadow of the final Day of the Lord.
• Futurist/continued-fulfillment readings: Other elements in Matthew 24 (cosmic signs, Son of Man coming, angelic gathering) are read by many as future or multiple-stage fulfillments. That is why NT writers (Paul, John) still speak of future events in terms similar to Daniel’s.

So your claim that “all of Matthew 24 happened 70 AD” is a strongly held interpretive stance with good internal logic but it’s not the only biblical reading. It’s important to show which verses you take as strictly AD-70 and which you allow to have a future or double application.

6) On the date of Revelation​

You reject the late date (Domitianic 90s AD) and favor an early date (you said 41 AD). Two notes:

• Almost all patristic testimony and early tradition assign Revelation to the Domitianic period (c. 95 AD). Fathers like Irenaeus explicitly connect it to Domitian’s time. That’s why critical scholarship overwhelmingly favors the 90s dating.
• An early date (c. 60s or earlier) is a minority position; a 41 AD date has virtually no attestation in early tradition and raises serious problems with the John authorship and the book’s relationship to later persecution imagery.

If you choose an early date, you must wrestle with the external testimony of the early church and with internal indicators such as the state of the seven churches and the references to an existing imperial cult. It’s not impossible to argue early, but it is a heavy revision of patristic consensus.

7) On “vision & prophecy sealed up by 70 AD”​

You cite Daniel 9:24 (the vision being sealed) and propose the sealing is accomplished in AD 70. Some remarks:

• Daniel himself is told the vision will be sealed until the time of the end (Dan 12:4,9). Many read “sealed” as meaning sealed in part kept until later clarity rather than “completely stopped and never to be opened again.”
• The NT (Jesus, Paul, John) continues to use Danielic language after AD 70, which suggests that even if AD 70 realized certain patterns, the biblical canon continues to interpret and expand Danielic themes. That argues for continuing rather than final sealing.

Blessings
Pastor Waris

A student at a Christian college in California has launched her own pro-life club after school officials denied her request to start a Students for Life of America chapter on campus, citing concerns about maintaining political neutrality.

Linda-Isabella Rendon, a sophomore and pre-nursing major at Vanguard University, has formed a pro-life club that is separate from Students for Life of America, the national pro-life organization that trains young people to advocate against abortion on college and high school campuses.

SFLA's sister organization, Students for Life Action, mobilizes young people to impact public policy decisions and elections related to abortion.

The office of Amanda Lebrecht, the university's vice president of student development, told The Christian Post in a statement that the school's policies don't permit clubs "affiliated with political advocacy initiatives." Lebrecht's office said that it initially denied Rendon's request to form an SFLA chapter on campus because the pro-life group is a national organization engaged in political advocacy.

"However, because Vanguard University and the student share equal beliefs in the sanctity of life for the unborn, we were determined to work together to find a solution that would allow the important work of the proposed club to occur," Lebrecht's statement clarified. "We were able to collaborate with the student on an alternative option to form an independent service club that champions the unborn and supports women who are choosing to have children."

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The sun shines with a colour temperature of 5778 Kelvin.
S.: wicki

And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. Isa 6:3
וקרא זה אל־זה ואמר קדוש קדוש קדוש יהוה צבאות מלא כל־הארץ כבודו

Holy, Hebrew qadosh, has a gematria of 410

qadosh (Holy)
קָדוֹשׁ
19. ק Quph 100
4. ד Dalet 4
6. ו Vav 6
21. שׂ שׁ Shin/Sin 300
Σ 410

In the 5778th Fibonacci number, the number 410 appears a total of 3 times!

f5778 =
1517400986972956561197059963036709561778723906375779683331489852623635556770802664570510712363457149
3241038368011966824902666745982480378200144472701194232036868735156885675612875939961907300266375758
0877401310146702968348722201963470326260010623529393624581164793477381752118615257677392669819397127
1240911194872766393545258331050414686067234790654789281352629558186092303927712577708774887379563961
8334850284853709943661275999386718420173513123187601502815173699289084999933537906838341278936411237
9758684740073896868277529992066715046004193058458247510634072576047132958387627995870579569405582599
3000560882135819954549681692079659198845388394615772486215900126164370475160435343052181785735770679
9673671379631838502331046015375222815442913563120563605357243891613377914996816269645681532217696548
6585221822842511206609147917975431194307377424414925343977632031052076481020985601574105079431218979
5934270081819289107255167783248764271876359200214847657267591188240947026324174788202656399292054682
3062533946556473988491688855032810066586561092943931473478410353997197970037804705915657855311140822
6118284739186934138403430618006955101110666416613548403573133185788759471201090065049449959112346460
77655064

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namely in the 103rd, 885th and 1059th positions.

103+885+1059 = 2047!

2047 is the gematria of the only verse in Scripture that refers to the number 284



All the Levites in the holy city were two hundred fourscore and four. Neh 11:18
כלהלוים בעיר הקדש מאתים שמנים וארבעה

The expression

All the Levites in the holy city

has a gematria of 832, just like erets Yisrael, meaning the Land of Israel

erets Yisrael (Land of Israel)
ארץ ישראל
1. א Alef 1
20. ר Resh 200
18. צ Tsadik 90
10. י Yud 10
21. שׂ שׁ Shin/Sin 300
20. ר Resh 200
1. א Alef 1
12. ל Lamed 30
Σ 832

This is the 12607th verse in the authorised King James Bible.



The number 832 appears in π at position 12607!



And what about the number 284, the number of Levites?

And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord G-d Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. Rev 4:8
καὶ τὰ τέσσαρα ζῷα, ἓν καθ’ ἓν αὐτῶν ἔχων ἀνὰ πτέρυγας ἕξ, κυκλόθεν καὶ ἔσωθεν γέμουσιν ὀφθαλμῶν· καὶ ἀνάπαυσιν οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς λέγοντες Ἅγιος ἅγιος ἅγιος Κύριος ὁ Θεός ὁ Παντοκράτωρ, ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος.

Holy, Greek hagios has the gematria 284

hagios (Holy)
ἅγιος
1. Αα Alpha 1
3. Γγ Gamma 3
10. Ιι lota 10
16. Οο Omicron 70
20. Σσςϲ Sigma 200
Σ 284

All the Levites in the holy city were two hundred fourscore and four. Neh 11:18
כלהלוים בעיר הקדש מאתים שמנים וארבעה

The expression

two hundred fourscore and four

has the gematria 1215

Total = 1215
Original Text
Hebrew Value Inc
מאתים 491
שמנים 440
וארבעה 284

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Starting from position 1215 in Φ, the following 5 numbers are 04444



The word G-d appears (0)4444 times in the inspired King James Bible 1769!
Note: In the Hebrew number system, there is no notation for zero

Bob S said:

I reject your reasoning because now the week ends and now starts at the IDL not at the longitude the Sabbath was given.

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the longitude of where Sabbath was given (Eden?, Mt Sinai?) would not be the biblical IDL it would be the biblical Prime Meridian which is the furthest point away from the IDL. if Israel is the PM the IDL would run someone down Alaska. placing the IDL arbitrary somewhere in the Pacific doesn't change how days work, the solar hours of the day work exactly the same and provided it's far enough away from Israel (which it is) Israel would have an uninterrupted Sabbath.

if the IDL was placed through Israel it would have massive impact for Sabbath obverser there as your neighbour may be on a completely different day. for Sabbath observers based on the current system it would effect anyone in-between the modern IDL and this inferred biblical IDL which probably doesn't effect a lot of people since it's mostly ocean but if it were a concern for those impacted they would just have to keep Sabbath a day earlier. (but Israel is still unaffected by this)

based on where the IDL is now the Samoa islands and the American Samoa Islands have the biggest impact, less then an hour flight and the IDL runs between them. so if there were those who commuted (which is not unreasonable) they would leave one day, travel about an hour, and arrive at the same local time just a full 24 hr off. (if this was based on a PM aligned with Israel this problem would be in Alaska).

as I'm sure you can imagine this wasn't a problem for Moses. no one could travel that fast or that far and when travelling people would keep days based on how they observe them with no conflicts with the IDL as it was beyond their reach. this begs the question that the Sabbath might have never been designed for modern day intercontinental travelling and no matter where you draw the IDL problems will arrise. this is similar to Ramadhan for Muslims as there are places of the earth where potentially you would have very little light (or not at all) so in practice fasting would have no impact, or the reverse where there's constant light making the fast not sustainable. Ramadhan was not built for the far reaches of the earth and it exposes a problem in the system. the difference with Sabbath is it absolutely designed for all and to the ends of the earth, but in its spiritual application not it's physical. the latter is limited just like Ramadhan, since no matter where you draw the line there will always be an area where with a single step you miss the Sabbath but as a spiritual application through Christ the Sabbath is available for all and everywhere (unlike Ramadhan)

[ Posting in fellowship, out of curiosity and care. I'm taking as given that we're talking about a celibate male priesthood. ]

The points raised in this article about loneliness seem like they shouldn't be new. Life in a community of monks or nuns has companionship and community, a kind of family. But a parish priest isn't surrounded by a community of peers in the same way. He has his congregation, but there's always going to be a certain distance there, because of the authority he holds. So it seems like the life of a parish priest is always a life of solitude -- caring for others without support for one's self -- and carrying the risk of loneliness and exhaustion.

Has it always been this way, or were there support systems in past centuries that we don't have now? Did people used to serve as priests in the villages where they grew up, so they had friends and family in the village? Or do most parishes have multiple priests, so they can support each other? In the past, how did priests find connection and friends and community, and what is different now?

RileyG said:

Yup. It’s driven by materialistic wants. Stores want $$$$ so people spend money on things that aren’t necessarily needed. I’m very guilty of this.

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I am a little older, but schools really need to hone on two things. The first is civics if that is still a thing. Should be mandatory. The second is just straight life schools like money, budgets, home mortgages, appreciation vs depreciation, interest rates specially compound interest rates. The other thing is congress needs to act against predatory lenders. There was a org in place that looked after consumers. Of course that got trashed by the current admin.

Servus said:

Because you're trying to manipulate me into doing what you want. Therefore it's not going to happen, even if you spend the next five pages trying.

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There is no need for manipulation in this matter. The answer is already well understood by both of us. The arithmetic calculation I am referencing cannot be completed. This fact is evident to you, to me, and to the rest of the American public. Nevertheless, you continue to defend President Trump's announcement regarding the distribution of $2,000 to every American family.

I've been listening to a number of AI songs lately, and they seem to have some predictable patterns. The problem is that the following song has a lot of people believing that it's actually performed by real people, but it's not. The lyrics fit with the theme of the song, but they don't quite make sense. Still, the performance is probably better than any real performer could do.

Which leads me to wonder, even if AI performers don't take over the music industry, will AI sneak into the music industry in less noticeable ways. For example, will songwriting become AI driven, whether credited as such or not. And even if the performers on stage are real, will they simply be modern versions of Milli Vanilli?

Sorry folks, I think that AI will be taking over the music industry fairly quickly. You may resist the change, but the next generation almost certainly won't even notice the problem.

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The economy is doing swimmingly well. Everyone knows that "affordability" is just a Democratic con job.

Landon Caeli said:

None of these things should be considered bad or wrong, in and of themselves.

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The question is what is appropriate for "the People's House"? A robber baron's palace that would make Hearst blush, or something less conspicuously ostentatious?

But how do you know the Spirit is there if you can't feel it?

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The Holy Spirit works in us to make us better people. The fact that you want to be better may be an indication that the Holy Spirit is already working in you.

I prayed long and hard just like I do for myself. I wanted to show the Lord I love my neighbor as myself. The Lords blessings and driving mercies for your trip.

My first memory of the notion of religion is my Protestant mom engaging in the ancient and venerable tradition of having me sit on her knee while she told me who Jesus is. She said He was the Son of God, that He loved me, and that He died for my sins. I wasn't really sure what all that meant, and wasn't really sure what to make of it. I had no problem with the idea that there was a God, though. That idea was utterly intuitive and logical.

When I later learned to read, I was inspired enough by mom's talk to try reading the New Testament. A man walked on water? He raised a man from the dead? This is the stuff of fairy tales, except it read more like news reporting.

For example, sometime later the TV news was on in the background, and some guy wearing a tie was reporting about something happening in Damascus. Damascus? Where had I heard that name before? Oh yeah, the New Testament. It's an actual place? You can search to your heart's discontent, but you'll not find any city associated with Jack the Giant Killer or Cinderella.

This is very different from the Koran reporting that Alexander the Great watched the sun sink into a mud puddle of unspecified geographic location. (The puddle should be easy to discover. Given that the sun is a million times the diameter of the Earth, It would have to be a REALLY big puddle.)

It was also noticeable that fiction writers don't give numerous characters the same name, such as John and Mary. That kind of thing happens in reality, not fiction.

I later learned that Jews and Muslims are fond of attacking St. Paul the Apostle as the "inventor" of Christianity. Yet interestingly, St. Paul made what are known in the legal world as "admissions against interest" - saying things that were embarrassing and hurtful to his cause. These types of statements are exceptions to the hearsay rule, since it's considered that a person would not say them unless they were true. For example, St. Paul admits to being mocked at Mars Hill, and admits that prayer didn't remove the thorn in his side. No "salesman" selling an idea would admit such things.

I decided this New Testament was an unusual collection of writings, sometimes surpassing, IMO, even Shakespeare in its beauty and eloquence, e.g., 1 Corinthians 13, but also including such prosaic bits as “When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments.” 2 Timothy 4:13. Even if I were an atheist today, I'd have to admit that the Christian sacred scriptures are the most interesting literature ever written.

I was struck by things like this, but not convinced.

MarcusGregor said:

His lawyers should and probably will argue that he is included in Trump's pardon of J6 rioters unless that pardon names each and every individual, which I don't know the answer to.

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It only names the seditious conspirators (who received commutations).

I like the plan, but the announcement of the pardon specified "at or near the United States Capitol," but his lawyers have nothing to lose.

9Rock9 said:

So, I heard a theory that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, rather than Friday (as is commonly believed.) Therefore, he rose from the dead on Saturday (the Sabbath.)

Idk enough about this view to really either affirm or deny it, but is it a gospel issue?

Can a genuine Christian believe Jesus died on Wednesday, as long as he still agrees that he rose again three days later?

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there is theological significance if Jesus died before Sabbath, rested in the grave for the duration of Sabbath then rose on the first day of the week.

in Genesis rest is ushered in through completed work. the last words of Christ are on the cross saying "it is finished". as a parallel Christ had a work that he completed, he is buried and "rests" on the Sabbath

Sabbath is also a sign of the old covenant, although the rest of Sabbath law does not extend to our biological functions there is a logic that points to our breath and beating heart as work itself. Jesus rests on the Sabbath like no other could before him (or since). and this Sabbath can been seen as markinf the death of the works of the law and old covenant, then rising in new life in the birth of the new covenant

Jesus also dies on whats called preparation day. Since this was over Passover (which the exact way it aligns is debated) Jesus can be seen as the lamb of the passover that is prepared as well as other aspects of need to prepare like unleven bread.

it does have theological significance but often the early church or ancient near East cultures put high value on on symbols. So the account may be framed this way because of the theological significance, but whenever we approach what day it was doesn't impact our salvation.

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v @Saul Sadka • 12h | If they're this upset to discover that Jews wrote the Christmas songs, we need to make sure they never find out who wrote the Gospels...

Andrew Torba & @BasedTorba • Nov 30 Just an annual reminder that this is one major way they subverted our most holy holidays to remove Christ from them and turn them into consumerist slop.

CHRISTMAS SONGS
WRITTEN BY JEWS
* White Christmas * Rockin' Around
Irving Berlin

the Christmas Tree
Johnny Marks

* Rudolph the Red-
Nosed Reindeer

A Holly Jolly
Johnny Marks

Christmas
Johnny Marks

The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting * Run Rudolph Run
on an Open Fire)
Johnny Marks

Mel Tormé & Bob Wells (co-written)
* Let It Snow! Let It * Suzy Snowflake
Snow! Let It Snow!
Sid Tepper
& Roy C. Bennett| Jule Styne &
Sammy Cahn|

* Silver Bells
* It's the Most
Jay Livingston
Wonderful Time
& Ray Evans
of the Year

* Hallelujah
Edward Pola &
Leonard Cohen
George Wyle

Getting Ready for
Winter Wonderland
Christmas Day
Felix Bernard
Paul Simon
..and many more!

Brings to mind how Saint Ignatius Loyola reacted when informed that one of his early Jesuits had Jewish ancestry. “How wonderful to have a blood tie to Jesus and Our Lady!’

Jew hatred is not only immensely stupid, it is fundamentally anti-Christian.

Chairman Comer Launches Investigation into Massive Fraud in Minnesota’s Social Services System on Governor Walz’s Watch​

“The Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is investigating reports of widespread fraud in Minnesota’s social services programs. The Committee has serious concerns about how you as the Governor, and the Democrat-controlled administration, allowed millions of dollars to be stolen. The Committee also has concerns that you and your administration were fully aware of this fraud and chose not to act for fear of political retaliation. The Committee therefore requests documents and communications showing what your administration knew about this fraud and whether you took action to limit or halt the investigation into this widespread fraud,” wrote Chairman Comer to Governor Walz.

I thought there might be more people willing to help others know how God values His Creation. I'll just wait for those people to arrive.

The popularity of Nick Fuentes is in its way a fulfillment of Ross Douthat’s much-quoted ominous prophecy that the “post-Christian right” will rise to replace the Christian right. While the young streamer may proclaim Christ and the Catholic faith, he plainly wears this identity as a skinsuit. Daniel Mahoney correctly identifies him as an avatar of “the new pagan Right,” owing much more to Nietzsche than to Jesus as he openly admires totalitarians and seeks to position himself as a political powerbroker.
Of course, this development is a liberal analyst’s dream come true, and multiple mainstream outlets have been milking the moment for all it’s worth. Several have cited the work of Richard Hanania, who argues that Fuentes embodies the natural end-state of conservatism. Hanania himself has an infamous past in the alt-right fever swamps, which he has disavowed in the process of reinventing himself as a sophisticated anti-Republican critic. Yet he and Fuentes still have something in common: In their distinct ways, both of them see the world through pagan eyes and analyze it with pagan logic. Their political projects may be at odds, but their post-Christian vision—or, rather, nostalgically pre-Christian vision—is shared.
The first Christians distinguished themselves from their pagan neighbors by a special care for the weak, the outcast, and the inconvenient. They refused to live by cold utilitarian logic, going out of their way to rescue human beings left to rot on the empire’s dungheaps. This instinct repulses Hanania, who regularly attacksthose “crazy enough to value the fetuses of strangers.” It’s no wonder the pro-life cause is unpopular at the polls, he suggests, because if people are that crazy, it’s hard for the sane normal people to predict “what else they’re capable of.” Against this “low human capital” morality, Hanania sets his enlightened lack of “a religious belief in a thing called ‘human life’ that has some kind of inherent value.”
In general, Hanania believes that the greater good sometimes requires human sacrifice—from babies with Down syndrome, to babies born without most of their brains, to incapacitated elderly people. One might say he practices seamless-garment utilitarianism, consistently maintaining that the weak should die when they overburden the strong. If society must expend resources on “creatures who can’t be trusted to take care of themselves,” he would rather we reform factory farming than lavish attention on “people who are stupid and weak.” His rhetoric echoes Heinrich Himmler’s exasperation at those Christians who insisted that care be spent on such people “in the name of a doctrine of pity that goes against nature, and of a misconceived notion of humanity.”

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http://www.linkedin.com/shareArticl...Eucharist’s Real Presence Or Virtual Reality?
“The lawless one…the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of His presence” (2 Thess 2:8). This verse is full of loaded terms. The Word of God is potent here with a rich array of interrelated meanings. Three Greek words are especially worth highlighting. “The lawless one…the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath (pneumati) of His mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation (epiphaneia) of His presence (parousias).”

Another way to render the last phrase is that the Lord Jesus brings the lawless one to nothing by the “glorious appearance of His coming.” This turns us to the final coming of Christ but a similar feat is accomplished even now by “the manifestation of His presence,” “the epiphany of His presence.” Lawlessness is slayed and done away with even now as we let Jesus’ Eucharistic Presence be manifested to our souls, receiving the Spirit-breathed Word of Jesus or “the breath (pneumati) of His mouth.” In the context of Eucharistic Adoration, we can hear the verse in this way: “The Lord Jesus will slay and bring to nothing lawlessness with the anointed-word of His mouth and the manifestation of His presence,” precisely as we adore Him in the Eucharist.

The Real Presence Of Jesus Is The Truth​

Jesus’ Real Presence overcomes all the illusions of the evil one, the father of lies. It is like darkness fleeing before light. It is like waking from a nightmare to discover real life again. It is the presence of the Lord overtaking the emptiness of godlessness. This is what happens in the Adoration chapel thanks to Jesus’ Real Presence.

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eleos1954 said:

It's about one's relationship with Christ ... not ANY earthly things ... and that is not "replacement theology"

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Replacement theology is the belief that the church took the place of the nation of Israel in GODS favor. My contention is there never was a replacement and that the church has always been in GODS favor.

They hate you. They are for death. You stand for life.

You have beauty and grace, and love on your side. They have power. Worldy power. And they will wield it silence you. That’s all they can do. Silence you. One way or another.

But they seem to be running into some obstacles.

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stevevw said:

Just like we can gain knowledge of the world through an experience of color that science cannot tell us with all the information about how the physical processes work.

All direct experiences with the world contain such knowledge. Being direct knowledge this means listening and taking more seriously what the observer and subject is saying about their experiences. Its all there except the materialist worldview will dismiss all this as imagination, coincident, and delusion.

I have already done this. I hypothesised that if we humans can gain a deeper knowledge of reality such as a 'Red Experience'. Then because the ancients were more immersed in the phenomenal realm of direct experiences and the transcedent aspects that stem from phenomenal beliefs.

Then this brought deeper knowledge and insights about nature and reality. How it worked. Just like another species that in part of nature and does not rationalise it comes to gain knowledge of how nature works. So to did the ancients.

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As to what this alternative to natural science is you invoke the vaguery of "deeper knowledge" and mystical experiences with the adept gibberish of a New Age guru. Then...

stevevw said:

That means they knew how to work with stone for example. Knew what changed its makeup. Such as chemistry and physics. So it was not that they may have needed modern day machines to make these machine like cuts or precision works. But that they knew how to manipulate the material itself.

Thus there was no need for machines as conventional tools would suffice. Because the material was now like putty or weaker that it was like working with wood for example.

This is one idea. Another may be that they also had some form of power. Be it through some sort of manipulation or concentration of the natural physics of nation that they understood. Which may explain who there are many alignmemts with location and dimensions. Maybe to do with acoustics.

But this may have allowed either some sort of weakening of granite or some sort of mechanism was used (not necessarily like modern machines). Maybe a process that involves the boxes in the pyramids. Or some sort of electrodes that created some sort of piezoelectric effect.

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you invoke a series of *PHYSICAL* processes (acoustics, advanced machining, piezoelectric effects, chemical alterations) which are not only "material science" but as you immediately state:

stevevw said:

But this is all spectualtion. But something along these lines.

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As indeed it is. None of these thing are demonstrated and if you want to demonstrate them "material science" not New Age woo woo is the way to do so. Speaking of which, you conclude with several paragraphs of the alternatives to "natural science",

stevevw said:

The point is that if modern science is trying to understand fundemental reality and if consciousness is involved. If the ancients were more conscious then today and lived by direct experiences with nature.

Then it makes sense that they came across some deeper understanding of nature and reality that could only come from a direct subjective experience. Just like the knowledge that comes from a 'Red Experience'.

But remember that this should not be viewed through the lens of modern material science or methological naturalism for obvious reasons. This is a completely different paradigm lens in how reality is known.

Similar to the difference between for example an 'Information' paradign of reality as opposed to the physical aspect that is the result or reflection of that information basis. Its more or less understanding reality in the deeper sense as to how it is reflected in the material dimension.

If the ancients understood the basis of the material reflections of the physical world. Then they understood how it worked fundementally and could manipulate it. Sort of Mind over Matter. Except the Mind or direct conscious experiences gave knowledge rather than any power of the mind over the physical world.

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that come straight of the poisoned tree of Helena Blevatsky. When you invoke these alternatives to natural science you sound less like a Christian and more like a refugee from the Theosophical Society.

stevevw said:

Thats the best I can do.

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I don't doubt that.

stevevw said:

I am sure there better ways of explaining this with some of the emerging proposals. But a lot is unknown and that is why the more data the better. Much has only been discovered recently with modern tech and its interesting that its taken modern tech to discover it.

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I see to paths for you to retain a smidge of credibility with alternative Egyptology and history.

1. Embrace lost advanced civilization that has left few traces but did amazing things with their naturalistic advanced technology (in the same way that we have advanced naturalistic technology) and put aside all of the spiritual claims and attacks on "material science" regarding the ancient past.

2. Embrace the theosophical esoteric cosmology and claim the lost civilization was part of the 4th "root race" of humanity that built great monuments (for later civilizations like Egypt to find) using their technologies based on psychic powers and other supernatural magic.

OR, you could just accept that the professionals know what they are talking about. (I'm not holding out for that.)