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Isaac the Recluse · 2025-11-20T20:19:07-0600

Lacking kakorrhaphiophobia, ostragoths pillaged Rome.

KKRRH

Valletta · 2025-11-20T20:15:59-0600

Reed has a long criminal record. CBS News Chicago found 49 arrests — including 10 felony cases. Three cases were later dropped, six ended up with convictions ranging from probation to 30 days in the Cook County Jail — and in the case of one drug conviction from 2003, two years in Illinois state prison.
Among them was an active aggravated battery case from just this past August.
In that incident, Reed is accused of hitting a social worker at MacNeal Hospital Psychiatry and Behavioral Health in west suburban Berwyn. The attack caused loss of consciousness, ER visits, lasting memory issues, headaches, and daily nausea for the social worker, the Cook County State's Attorney's office said at the time.

Man faces federal terrorism charges for allegedly setting woman on fire on Blue Line train in Chicago

Federal charges were issued Wednesday against a man accused of setting a woman on fire on a CTA Blue Line train in downtown Chicago this week.

www.cbsnews.com

They still don't get it.

CLEEB · 2025-11-20T20:11:05-0600

Clare73 said:
That is precisely what Paul states:

Adam was not the one deceived, it was the woman who was deceived (1 Tim 2:14).
Adam chose to sin with her.

Because Adam wasn’t deceived and Eve was is proof of free will because if there was no free will their response would have been the same. It shows a difference in wills between Adam and Eve. Why is it so difficult to see that both Adam and Eve did not acquire the knowledge of good and evil until Adam ate the forbidden fruit ? In order to sin you must have the knowledge of good and evil and do the evil instead of the good. James 4:17 Adams sin was unique because it determined the course of humanity our sins do not. Today every man dies for his own sin. Adam and Eve at their creation were not innocent of sin because they were righteous but because they were ignorant.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-20T19:38:11-0600

Since it's apparently acceptable to use funeral situations as a means for political posturing based on the invite list...

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-20T19:08:58-0600

zippy2006 said:
As a libertarian do you think federal meddling is going to fix the economy for everyone? That there is some benevolent motive from the federal overlords that is bound to bring us into utopia?

The whole framing of the issue as, "How the federal government can create an economy that works for everyone," is remarkably naive.

I'm not that much of a "full blown libertarian" anymore...I was some years back

But that aside...

Yes, there are certain forms of competition in the markets that can lead to anti-competition (monopolies being the most obvious form of that) if left unchecked.

Economically speaking, there are certain imbalances and problems where the free market is too blunt an instrument to correct the issue in the timeframe it needs to be corrected.

If you want to see how things look completely unchecked, the country's business landscape would look pretty much like a series of these

Company store - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

...where the housing, store, and services were all provided the company you worked for, and you were paid in a special company currency that only worked for the services they offered, basically just funneling employee earnings right back to the company they work for.

I said it a few times in this thread, if you want to see a meaningful change in our economy in a way that works for more people, society needs to be less enamored with college degrees for the litany of jobs that currently require them, but don't actually need to.

partinobodycular · 2025-11-20T19:05:51-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Can’t trust AI.

View attachment 373411

Congratulations, this is the most circuitous route to a point that I've ever seen. :bow:

partinobodycular · 2025-11-20T19:00:38-0600

Landon Caeli said:
What about AI that observes whether you yawn too much at work, or if your eyes appear tired too often? Would you be okay with that? Because that tech already exists, and is in use.

Why would I care?

pasifika · 2025-11-20T19:00:02-0600

Dan Perez said:
And we are not under the LAW but under Grace , Rom 6:14.

Do you have a verse !!

If you say we are , can. you EPLAIN how anyone can. be saved under the NEW COVENANT.

And you EXPLAIN HEB. 9:18. , PLEASE ??
dan p

Romans 3:25, James 2:26 etc

Hebrews 9:18, it's about the new way to God through the new covenant. this knowledge which was kept hidden since the time of the old covenant. Now we can know this mystery by the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Col 1:25,26

Belk · 2025-11-20T18:59:27-0600

Valletta said:
Insurrection and sedition are serious offenses, and we have come as close to those in the last year as any other time since the Civil War. For something that is well known to the public and has been done before, a lawsuit is the proper course for those who think it is un-Constitutional.

According to whom?

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-20T18:34:11-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Oh, those ICE witnesses...

Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney alleged.

DOJ dismisses charges against 2 people accused of ramming vehicle of federal agents conducting Chicago immigration sweeps

U.S District Judge Georgia Alexakis dismissed the charges against Marimar Martinez and Anthony Ruiz after the Department of Justice abruptly requested her to do so.

The decision by the DOJ to dismiss the charges against Martinez and Ruiz came a day after a federal judge in Chicago ordered the government to turn over to the defense additional text messages by the CBP agents involved in the incident.

Alexakis dismissed the charges without [sic] prejudice, meaning the case cannot be brought back. [CBS says it was with prejudice.]

An October DHS statement said CBP agents opened fire on Martinez in self-defense, alleging she was "armed with a semi-automatic weapon" [it was in her purse and legal] and was driving one of three vehicles that "cornered" and rammed the CBP agents' vehicles.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-20T18:27:46-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Judge grills government over apparent lapses in Comey indictment
The case's prosecutor said the full grand jury didn't see the final indictment.

In reversal, DOJ says Comey indictment was reviewed by full grand jury

In a reversal from what the Department of Justice represented in court and in written filings Wednesday, federal prosecutors said Thursday that the full grand jury reviewed the indictment of former FBI Director James Comey.

Brother Del · 2025-11-20T18:20:11-0600

WolfGate said:
He's actually right, but it's not the battle he thinks it is. The real battle is to prevent the church from being overrun with the heresy of placing political power and influence over the gospel. You can be both conservative and denounce the violent and dehumanizing rhetoric sweeping through Republican politics - and liberal Christians can do the same when it occurs from Democrats. Unfortunately, Christians are choosing to remain silent on that topic even while often repeating the most opposed-to-scripture talking points of their political idols.

The true Church, which is the actual body of Christ, the Israel of God, and the Temple made without hands, has no part in this conflict, our battles are not with flesh and blood.

The godless entity passing itself off as "the church" was overrun quite some time ago.

Jeesuspelastaa · 2025-11-20T18:15:31-0600

THE LAW IS FULFILLED
“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” Romans 13:8–10 (KJV).

And everyone who has come into the new covenant knows that this does not mean freedom to practice sin, because God’s will is in our new nature, in our hearts. “We have the mind of Christ.” 1 Cor. 2:16.

Carmenls · 2025-11-20T18:04:25-0600

Please ask God to heal my health issue and allow me to be comfortable. And if it is His will allow my son Jake to be healthy and happy and to heal him and give him joy. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you. Carmen.

BobRyan · 2025-11-20T17:58:00-0600

JohnB445 said:
I had thought, I am reading so little why even bother right now.

is this the wrong kind of thinking? I have so much going on in life with work, right now it seems I don't have the time to do anything

Make more time for God.

Get out of bed earlier.
let TV/Internet entertainment time drop out in favor of reading the Word of God

fhansen · 2025-11-20T17:53:47-0600

Dan1988 said:
I have never read any of John Calvin's books, I'm too busy studying theology. In any case I'm sure Calvin, never claimed that God created some specific purpose of tormenting them in hell.

Um...Institutes of the Christian Religion is theology. What theology do you study-Jack Chick? Anyway, it appears you're again sure of what you don't know.

FreeinChrist · 2025-11-20T17:36:06-0600

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GloryToHisName · 2025-11-20T17:33:52-0600

GloryToHisName said:
Daniel 9:27 — “The Week, the Half, and the One Week”

Many translations simplify Daniel 9:27 to “in the middle of the week.”
But the Hebrew text reads more intricately:

הַשָּׁבוּעַ חֲצִי הָאֶחָד שָׁבוּעַ
ha-shavua ḥetzi ha-eḥad shavua
Literal order: “the week, the half, and the one week.”

This layered structure suggests not just a single “half-week,” but a week and a half —
a full week plus the midpoint of another.

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Word-by-Word Breakdown

HebrewTransliterationMeaning

הַשָּׁבוּעַha-shavuathe week
חֲצִיḥetzithe half
הָאֶחָדha-eḥadthe one
שָׁבוּעַshavuaweek

Pattern: “the week → the half → the one week.”
That sequence naturally reads as “a week and a half (of one week).”

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Interpretive Sense

“He will cause the many of the covenant to prevail for the week and a half of the one week.”

This keeps every word of the Hebrew and shows a continuous covenant period —
a full week completed, then the half of another week where the covenant breaks
and the sacrifice and offering cease.

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Timeline

Week One → Half of Next Week → TakeAway Sacrifice Ends

This pattern fits the prophetic rhythm of Daniel’s vision —
not merely “half of one week,” but a week and a half in total,
bridging one com
plete period into the opening half of the next.

> My translation:
“Know and understand from the going forth of the word to build and restore Jerusalem for an anointed one and a ruler, seven sevens; 60 weeks, the second; and again it shall be returned and built.”

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1. “Know and understand from the going forth of the word to build and restore Jerusalem”

Hebrew: מִן־מֹצָא דָבָר לִבְנוֹת וְלְהָשִׁיב יְרוּשָׁלִם

Infinitives לִבְנוֹת (to build) and לְהָשִׁיב (to restore) are coordinated with וְ (and) to indicate purpose/result, not ongoing action.

Order: build first, restore second, reflecting structural construction followed by functional restoration.

Keeping these infinitives in one continuous sentence preserves the Hebrew sequence, avoiding fragmentation seen in many standard translations.

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2. “For an anointed one and a ruler, seven sevens”

Hebrew: לְנָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים

נָגִיד = ruler; מָשִׁיחַ = anointed one.

שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים literally = “seven sevens” (7×7 = 49 years).

Singular forms for “seven” (שִׁבְעָה) are used multiplicatively, justifying 7-7s instead of 77. See Genesis 4:24 for parallel usage. This allows for wordplay: the total period from Cyrus to Artaxerxes can be seen as 77 years, while the 7×7 form highlights the 49-year interval actually taken for the rebuilding and restoration. The Hebrew construction permits both readings simultaneously, showing both the full historical span and the structural timing of the restoration.

Historically: anointed one = Cyrus, ruler = Artaxerxes, marking the period required for initial rebuilding and restoration.

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3. “Wordplay on 49 years and 77”

77 years = total from Cyrus to Artaxerxes; 49 years = 7×7, the time actually taken to build and restore.

This reflects a Hebrew literary technique where numbers convey historical and structural significance, not just sequential counting.

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4. “60 weeks, the second”

Hebrew: שִׁשִּׁים הַשֵּׁנִי

שִׁשִּׁים = 60 (cardinal), הַשֵּׁנִי = “the second” (ordinal).

Marks the 60th week in the second 70-week cycle, not the start of the second cycle.

Historical marker: Jerusalem returned and rebuilt under Israeli control in 1967. Counting backward identifies Suleiman (1542) as the ruler who restored the city’s walls.

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5. “And again it shall be returned and built”

Infinitive + imperfect וְשׁוּב יִבָּנֶה וְיָשֻׁב preserves purpose/result.

Refers to the second return/building (1967), aligning with historical Israel.

Full second 70-week cycle concludes in 2032, marking the Righteous Age under Christ’s rule.

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Integration with Daniel 9:24 (dual 70-week cycles):

In Daniel 9:24, the Hebrew חֻלַּק (chullaq) means “divided” or “portioned,” highlighting that the seventy weeks are split into two distinct 70-week cycles, each with its own purpose.

Seventy weeks are **divided out** for your people and your holy city:

Key grammatical points:

1. Infinitives form a single coordinated sequence, not separate sets.

2. Infinitives indicate purpose/result, not ongoing action.

3. Numerical wordplay (7-7s / 49 years) aligns with Hebrew usage.

4. Ordinal “second” marks the 60th week in the second 70-week cycle.

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Interpretive Summary:

Two sequential 70-week cycles:

1. First 70 weeks: Artaxerxes → rebuilding/restoration → Messiah.

2. Second 70 weeks: Suleiman restores walls (1542) → second return under Israeli control (1967) → full cycle concludes 2032 → Righteous Age.

Preserving Hebrew infinitives, numeric wordplay, and ordinal markers allows English readers to follow both the literary structure and historical/eschatological flow.

Lady Bug · 2025-11-20T17:28:08-0600

RileyG said:
God bless you.

I have no further comment.

I think things are dawning on me now that he didn't tell us (even my mom) whether he truly believed in the religion or not. He kept some secular aspects of it like hygiene and absolutely refused to eat pork whatsoever, but toward the end of his life he started opening up to me about how Mo wasn't the great guy that Muslims say he was, and that he wasn't a prophet or a role model, but that you can't say anything about this to anyone or else you can get killed. He never came out to me and said he's an apostate - I told him once or twice (I'm paraphrasing): "You know, if you believe in those things, that disqualifies you from being an actual Muslim, you would even qualify as an apostate." (the latter "apostate" part, I think I have actually said, though)

He would look right at me, not admit anything and stay silent for a few seconds. It really makes me wonder how much he didn't tell us. I think he was pretending this entire time while I was growing up that he believed in "the prophet" and I'm very skeptical now. He literally took this to the grave with him, let's put it that way.

Bro.T · 2025-11-20T17:23:46-0600

The Lord created man from the dust of the ground and commanded the man not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (this tree represents Satan) which was in the midst of the Garden of Eden. The fruit that this tree produced was lies. Eve listen to the lies that were told to her by Satan, she believed him and told the lies to Adam. He listened to the voice of his wife and their disobedience toward God's commandment to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil brought death upon them as well as upon all mankind. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 6:23)

So now Satan has destroyed man, God's creation, through iniquity. So the Lord sought out faithful men to serve him (Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob) so that he could redeem the creation. He made his covenant with Abraham, then passed it down to his seed Isaac, then to Jacob, then to Jacob's 12 sons, for which Moses came out of the lineage of Levi. And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, ‘Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words, which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.” (Exodus 19:3-6)

The Lord chose Israel to teach the rest of the sons of Adam his laws and statues. "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.” (Deuteronomy 7:6-11)

"I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” (Romans 9:1-5)

As Israel goes, so goes the whole world. Israel failed to keep the covenant of God so God punished Israel. "Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities." (Amos 3: 1-2) "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior. I have declared, and have saved, and I have showed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

This people have I formed for myself; they shall show forth my praise. But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel. Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense. Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities. I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified. Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me. Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse and Israel to reproaches.” (Isaiah 43: 10-13 & 21-28)

Michie · 2025-11-20T17:04:53-0600

Welcome to CF! :wave:

Hentenza · 2025-11-20T17:02:55-0600

NotreDame said:
More importantly is you ignore the entire phrase of the verse. The Greek is those “who HABITUALLY/PRACTICES SIN are slaves to sin.”

Can you justify your Greek interpretation of this verse? Where in the language does it translate to “habitually/practices”?

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-20T17:00:09-0600

In my experience, God makes a way, but maybe not how we ask for it. Why is it that you can’t scale your family business? Regarding your marriage, let me just laugh at that.

But a pro tip, if you have trouble making ends meet, there’s no shame in going to a food bank, or a church that does it. There are also apps that let you buy surplus goods and due date items, like Too Good to Go. If you search it you might get other apps more relevant to your area.

Fervent · 2025-11-20T16:58:53-0600

JosephZ said:
Anyone who has made a serious effort to study Islam knows that abrogation is a very complex and controversial subject. Very few verses found in the Qur'an have been agreed on as being abrogated among scholars, and of those that have, none override the verses that teach tolerance, coexistence, and peace. A far more important concept in understanding Islamic jurisprudence is puting things in historical and cultural context when reading any Islamic texts

Only with modernist revisionism. As you seem to recognize down below.

JosephZ said:
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The Muslims that were being spoken to in the Qur'an and the classic scholars lived in a different culture, at a different point in time, and were facing unique situations. You can't read the Qur'an, hadiths, or the tasfirs from a modern perspective, you have to read them through a historical lens, if not, you will continue to misinterpret what they are saying.

Are Muslims or are Muslims not supposed to imitate Muhammad as the ideal moral example for all humanity? how then can you claim that we have to understand him in his historical situation? And is the Qu'ran the timeless revelation of Allah or is it a contextual document intended only for those who were in the unique situation of 7th century Arabia?

JosephZ said:
The violent verses found in the Qur'an don't abrogate the verses of peace because of the context they were written in. There are certain situations where the verses of peace apply, and others where the verses of violence apply, therefore, each verse has a specific context and application. In other words, each verse in the Qur'an is to be applied to its appropriate situation. For example, when Qur'an 9:5 says "When the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them. And capture them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush," it is dealing with a specific event at a point in history when Meccan pagans were breaking their peace treaties and declaring war on the Muslims, so that verse would not negate the peaceful verses in the Qur'an since it is very specific to it's intent and the point in history it was to be applied

A claim that only arose in the 20th century among modernists, while all historic interpreters were agreed that they very much do.

JosephZ said:
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Neither the Qur'an nor the hadith can be properly interpreted without putting them into the historical and cultural context they were written in.

A claim that is more modern attempts at whitewashing it into something it isn't.

JosephZ said:
According to Islamic teachings, Muslims are to emulate Muhammad's character traits like honesty, compassion, and humility and his ethical principles. Muslims understand the historical context in which the Qur'an was written. They see his actions as a warrior to have been appropriate for situations Muslims faced in the 7th century and not as mandates for Muslims to follow in 2025.

Another white-washing and nothing more.

JosephZ said:
You do realise that Muslims also had to pay taxes (zakāt)? And the tax was for the betterment of society as a whole. Would it be fair for non-Muslims to live in an Islamic state and receive all of the benefits and protections offered by that state without any contribution to the costs involved?

With humiliation? The issue isn't "taxes' it's that jizya is designed to humiliate the people paying it and make their second class status clear.

JosephZ said:
In very simple terms, Dar al Islam (House of Islam) historically was a Muslim land with a Muslim government where Islamic law governed. Dar al Harb (House of War) was a land not under an Islamic government or Islamic law, which was openly hostile towards Muslims. Since there are no countries or states that fit these definitions today, the terms are no longer used by Muslims for the most part.

there was no "openly hostile" requirement. It is either under islamic control or is "at war" for not being subjugated. You can't whitewash it when there was no 3rd option.

JosephZ said:
The only people who talk about jizyah, abrogation, the division of the world into dar-al-Islam and dar-al-harb, and cite Qur'an 9:29 as an open-ended command to Muslims to fight until the end of time today are Islamic extremists and anti-Islamic propagandists. So when someone like yourself presents Islam the way you have in this thread and others, it's clear to me, as someone who has a strong background in Islam, that your understanding of this religion comes from those sources and not the actual teachings and understanding of Islam that the vast majority of the world's Muslims adhere to.

I prefer Islamic fundamentalists to calling them "extremists" because they are simply practicing the religion in its purest form. Speaking the truth about Islamic jurisprudence and history isn't "anti-Islamic propaganda" it's not giving in to Islamic pressure and accusations for the sake of political correctness.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:26:23-0600

rebornfree said:
We're praying in Church, for it not to become law, and I've written to my MP twice, urging him to vote against it. I know others have written too. There are some of us in England and Wales who see the dangers of it going ahead, including many medical personnel and disability groups.

continued prayers the UK does the right thing and protects the most vulnerable! :prayer:

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Judge grills government over apparent lapses in Comey indictment

In reversal, DOJ says Comey indictment was reviewed by full grand jury