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RabbiJames · 2025-11-28T22:39:07-0600

MAL 1:1-2:7

The prophet speaks and writes through the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit), “Jacob have I loved, but Esau I have hated”. You ask, “Isn't God love?” Isn't God all about love? Why does he “hate poor Esau?” The word “hate” has the same meaning as “reject”. YHVH, who is “all knowing,” knew even before Esau was born that he would reject HIM, so YHVH rejected Esau! Even in Hebrews 12:16 speaks about "the godless Esau, who, for a single morsel of food, gave up and despised his birthright."

Polluted offerings, corrupt priests. No wonder God is fed up with Israel, they have gone “the way of Esau” offering God the “left-overs” and not offering with “pure hearts”. It is like today, if we serve the LORD with less than our best, or only with “half a heart” or just because we feel we “have to” then, we are offering “polluted offerings”. We should serve GOD with all we have, with the best we have, or not at all!

He has given all believers the gifts of the Spirit, the abilities to serve God while we are on Earth. Are we using those to serve, or, are we like the servant who buried the master's talent in the ground? Let's use our "talents of spiritual gifts" wholeheartedly as faithful sons and daughters of the Most High.

MATT 10:1-11:30

Yeshua sends out the twelve talmidim (disciples) to teach the Torah and to share the word that Yeshua is the Mashiach, who has fulfilled all the prophecies of the Torah. First, to the “lost sheep of Israel,” remember that Israel has been scattered to many different countries, many being absorbed by the nations, yet still remember their identity, but even in Israel, there are those who need to know the truth about Yeshua as Messiah, prophesied by Moshe and the prophets

The work and ministry of sharing/teaching the WORD of God is not a lone undertaking; it is to be shared by many, and ALL who have that calling. Even Yeshua, God in human form, could not be in all places at the same time, so he sent out his followers to fulfill the “Great Commission”.

Today, we are equipped with the “gifts of the Spirit” to fulfill this great task, and today we have the internet to help spread the “Good News,” whereas hundreds of years ago, only papers and books were available to those who took up that task. We are living in exciting times; let's take advantage of everything that is available to us today. Use all things to the glory of God.

ROM 9:6-13

Very interesting verses; “For not everyone from Israel is truly part of Israel. Indeed, not all descendants are from the seed of Abraham. From the Hebrew New Covenant, it says, “Lo kol asher heim mi-Yisrael gam Yisrael” (not all of them who are from Israel also Israel).

As we recall, Abraham had two sons from Sarah's womb, Ishmael and Yitzchak. Although both were his sons, the promise was given to Yitzchak. The descendants of Ishmael are now the Arab countries. Can we say that they also have the same interests that all believers have? Are they not following another religion? Even though quite a few are born-again believers.

In Israel today, we see quite a few cultures and people groups, not all are direct descendants of Abraham. But let’s go a step further and say, “Not all have the faith of our father, Israel,” and many in “Israel” have little or no faith at all, so how can we have the faith of “Israel” and thus be part of “Am Yisrael?”

It is through the “Yeshua Connection” that we are connected to the “Truth.” "I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE" (John 14:6)

So, to be a real part of “Am Yisrael” to be part of the “Covenant of Abraham” it doesn’t depend on blood relation, but “Spirit” relation. One can be a physical descendant of Abraham and be lost and going to hell. Still, one can turn that relationship around and be “heaven-bound” through a personal relationship with Messiah Yeshua, the hope of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

RDKirk · 2025-11-28T22:31:20-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Hegseth declines to comment on report that boat survivors were killed as a result of his orders to military
According to The Washington Post, the Sept. 2 boat strike initially left two survivors clinging to the boat. The Post says Adm. Mitch Bradley, head of Special Operations Command, then ordered a second strike in order to comply with Hegseth's orders and to ensure the survivors couldn't call on other traffickers to retrieve them and their cargo.

If true, it is unclear why Bradley wouldn't have ordered troops to collect the survivors and their cargo from the water, as the military did in a subsequent strike when two survivors were taken aboard a Navy ship via helicopter.

"The Department has no response to this article and declines to comment further," a Pentagon spokesperson said Friday.
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Some experts say the alleged “double-tap” strike may violate the law of armed conflict, which forbids targeting an enemy combatant who’s out of the fight due to injury or surrender.

“They’re breaking the law either way,” Sarah Harrison, a senior analyst at the Crisis Group think tank who served as associate general counsel at the Pentagon, told CNN. “They’re killing civilians in the first place, and then if you assume they’re combatants, it’s also unlawful — under the law of armed conflict, if somebody is ‘hors de combat’ and no longer able to fight, then they have to be treated humanely.”

Yes, a "double tap" would be a crime, if it happened that way. If it happened, though, I doubt an admiral ordered it.

essentialsaltes said:
Hegseth's got a date in the Hague.

No, the US will either shoot its own dog or protect it.

Bro.T · 2025-11-28T22:17:55-0600

Hentenza said:
I am following the inspired word of God. You are not replying to my posts but just trying to preach over them. I, in the other hand, have replied to your posts. Give me the same courtesy that I have afforded you. I’m not going to reply to this post until you reply to mine.

I am replying, you just don't believe whats being said. I'm showing you Paul talks about more then one law, more then one death, but you pretend as you don't see what's being written. Problem is that you have to be retaught this word, but in most cases it don't happen, because you in to deep under the Roman Christianity doctrine.

If I post this verse (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) This verse alone just killed the mindset that all the laws nail to the cross. As long as sin is still in the world, all the laws are not nail to the cross. Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin. This is common sense, you running around the new testament quoting all the places to do away with law, which another law, thats' not the Ten Commandments. I show you what law that is, you just don't believe it. In (1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Jesus says in (Mat.5:17-19) (v.17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (v.18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (v.19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, to fill to the full (Gk. plereo). He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. And He kept all of the Law

But look what Paul say in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, people avoid it like a plague! They are either uninformed about which day is the Sabbath day of the God of the Bible or they are just following the tradition of religion that was passed down through the family or maybe they have let some preacher give them other excuses for ignoring God’s true day of worship.

Going to church on Sunday, the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter, praying to the Virgin Mary, I could go on and on. And most so-called Christians know these rituals have nothing to do with Jesus and the Bible, but a lot of work get put into them. But do they understand that they are offensive to God? Maybe it’s because they have more faith in man than God, maybe it’s because they fear how man is going to treat them, and don’t fear God. We must realize, that it is the keeping of God’s holy laws that separates the righteous from the unrighteous and the Saints from the Sinners. (Titus: 3:8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. You must learn (by the word of God) what God expects of you and maintain his expectations to the end, if you expect to be saved. Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works.

peace in Jesus name

Pommer · 2025-11-28T22:16:46-0600

rambot said:
I'll be the first to say this is an old poll and I am more than welcome to see new contradictory evidence if it can be presented but....
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/independents-pew

I have never really met a self identified "Independent" who has had a truly centrist position (or; who argues "both sides" with equal vigor)

What do you all think of Independents? IF you are one, do you believe that you are an exception to that rule?

From the OP link:

These results are based on a Pew Research Center analysis of surveys of all adults conducted in 2019 and earlier. Results on Trump’s approval rating are based on a compilation of 2018 surveys conducted, and results on the wall are based on a survey from January 9 through 14, 2019.

The data is nearly seven years old. “Worthless” is being optimistic.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-28T22:13:40-0600

Well, we couldn't get Greenland, Canada, the Gaza Strip or the Panama Canal. I guess all that's left is Venezuela.

...It'll have to do, and is only about a 2 hour flight, to the Panama Canal.

9Rock9 · 2025-11-28T22:09:21-0600

So, since this is the moderate forum, I must ask, what makes you a moderate?

I'm personally starting to think I am a moderate, but I also kinda wary of the label due to fear of drifting towards progressive Christianity and theological liberalism.

I come from a conservative evangelical background, so I saw moderates as a slippery slope towards apostasy.

Now, though, I am not sure if I am a conservative anymore. I still hold conservative viewpoints on Nicene orthodoxy and LGBT related issues pertaining to weddings and ordination, but I think I am moderate on most other issues.

I think the Bible is infallible when it comes to matters of faith and practice, and its purpose is to point the reader to salvation. It's not meant to be a science textbook nor an exhaustive source of all knowledge.

I lean towards a complementarian stance on women's ordination, but I also now know there's more nuance to the issue than I had initially assumed. Aside from thinking the office of pastor should be reserved for men only, I think I am a believer in gender equality in all other areas of life.

I guess I realize that some initial assumptions I held were wrong, and I think I am closer to moderate viewpoints, but I worry about drifting towards liberalism.

A minor thing, but I have been told mainline denominations might be a better fit for me, even though I still think of myself as an Evangelical, though that's likely due to the stereotype of mainline = liberal.

What about you? Anyone else have similar concerns?

DreamyLaLa · 2025-11-28T22:04:25-0600

Multifavs said:
I'm not a fan of the latest Pokemon games either. I don't know that much about them, actually, but I don't like the way the gameplay was changed after many years of being the same. It seems like that should have been saved for spinoffs. Some of the character design and content has indeed gotten pretty weird, from what little I've seen.

The good news is that none of the stuff I mentioned in my previous post is official - there is actually no proof at all of the character I mentioned being a deity, nor is it ever treated as such in the games. The bad stuff is all made up by probably non-Christian fans who have a warped view of the Kirby series.

Yeah, I agree with you about Pokemon's gameplay changing...

I'm glad the stuff about Kirby Air Riders doesn't seem to be official. Fans will say anything about a franchise.

stevevw · 2025-11-28T21:39:08-0600

Robban said:
Havayah, in short, based on the teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem M. Schneerson..

I understand "Havayah" and agree its something along those lines. What we think is consciousness or the inner self that is something beyond the material world is really our divine nature and being made in Gods image. Rational beings able to know the divine and God.

But I am not familiar with "Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem M. Schneerson". I had a quick read and it seems he was a prominent Rabbi who initiated welfare for Jews and trying to establish their heritage after the Holocaust.

If you mean the Jewish identity as it is represented to Christians then yes we see there is some sort of divine relation between God and the Jews.

Robban said:
The Torah portion of Vayeira begins with G-d revealing to Moshe His Ineffable Name Havayah.

G-d then goes on to tell Moshe that He did not make this name known to Avraham, Yitzchak, or Ya`akov.

Rashi comments that G-d was thereby implying that "He did not make Himself known to them with His unlimited attribute of truth."

This in short there is much more.

btw, I have copied this.

Edit, missed " Lubavtcher"

Thankyou,

Daniel Martinovich · 2025-11-28T21:29:42-0600

Fervent said:
One of the central disagreements in politics today seems to boil down to what we think the proper function of government is. Is it to preserve individual liberties? Or is it to ensure that every citizen has their basic needs met? Some other central function? My question is, what light does the Bible shed on this question? If we look at the structure of Israel in the OT, what can we learn about how God intends for governments to function and what their mandate is?

I have my thoughts, but I want to hear some other opinions before divulging them.

Yes, there is.

Progressive Government Verses Biblically Based Republics

Progressive government is the antithesis of a Biblically based republic.

wordservice.org

Job 33:6 · 2025-11-28T21:23:07-0600

throughfierytrial said:
No, God created you and all people before the creation of the world and he endows skills knowledge and wisdom. Refute Psalm 33:9 and Hebrews 11:3 and see my original post. Our differences are such that I feel we should end here. I pray the Lord will impart wisdom and that our discussion will prove to have been fruitful… if not now then maybe in the future.

Again, no one is saying that God didn't create ex nihilo. The question is, is that the specific creation event that Genesis is describing? Hebrews is not a retelling of Genesis. It's a completely different book of the Bible written several hundred years later by a different author. So it's an assumption that because the idea is in Hebrews, that Genesis therefore is saying that specific idea.

And Psalm 33:9 says nothing of ex nihilo creation. It just says that God spoke and it was done, which we all agree on. Also when Psalm 33:9 states "it stood fast" that does not imply ex nihilo creation, rather it implies that God spoke and something that already existed stood fast.

As a matter of fact, just read the passage:

Psalms 33:6-9 NASB1995
[6] By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host. [7] He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap; He lays up the deeps in storehouses. [8] Let all the earth fear the Lord; Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. [9] For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.

The passage parallels Genesis, but as we can see, in creation of the heavens, the waters were separated and restrained just like in Genesis day 2, and the earth stood fast when He spoke.

The objects of creation are already present in these verses. And you can search the entire old testament high and low, this is how it is always described, as including pre existing material.

LoricaLady · 2025-11-28T21:11:54-0600

In Kazakhstan, religious freedom is heavily restricted by the country's Religion Law, dating back to 2011. The government continually tightens its control over society, leading to increased surveillance, raids on meetings and arrests. They use the threat of militant Islam to justify these restrictions.

Russian Orthodox churches face fewer issues since they typically don’t engage with the Kazakhstani population.

Indigenous Christians with a Muslim background suffer the most. They face persecution from both the state and their own families, friends and communities. Some converts are locked up by their families, beaten and eventually expelled from their communities. Local imams also preach against them, further isolating these converts.

Who is most vulnerable to persecution?

In Kazakhstan, all Christian communities can face rights violations by government officials, regardless of location. However, converts to Christianity experience the most intense pressure from family, friends and the community, especially in rural areas. This pressure is less severe in urban
settings, where they may have more anonymity and support networks.

Meet 'Ailin'

[My family] started to force me to say [the Islamic statement of faith], to renounce my faith, my Christianity. But I said: ‘No, I know my God—it's Jesus. I believe He is God. I’m a Christian; I’m not a Muslim.”

AILIN, A BELIEVER IN CENTRAL ASIA

What as changed this year?

Kazakhstan has jumped nine places on the 2025 World Watch List since last year. This is primarily caused by a higher violence score. Across the board, pressure on followers of Jesus remains very high.

Religious freedom is restricted by legislation dating back to September 2011. The Kazakhstan government has been increasing its control over the whole of society, which has led to heightened surveillance, raids on meetings and arrests.

What does Open Doors do to help Christians in Kazakhstan?

Open Doors helps Christians in Central Asia* who face persecution for their faith. They provide immediate aid and support by distributing literature, prayer, training and various social and economic projects such as rehabilitation centres.

* For security reasons, the name Open Doors cannot be associated with certain activities in this country. When communicating about projects in this country do not use the country name, instead use the region name: Central Asia.

How can you pray for Kazakhstan?

Pray for Christians who can be targeted for violations of Kazakhstan’s Religion Law. Ask God to protect churches from misuse of these regulations.
The government of Kazakhstan regularly monitors church leaders. Ask God to protect His servants.
Many believers in Kazakhstan have trouble getting regular access to Bibles and Christian literature. Pray that God’s Word will find its way to every believer in the country.

2PhiloVoid · 2025-11-28T21:04:01-0600

Always in His Presence said:
A little Biblical history and perspective first.

First and foremost is Jesus Christ -

Heb 3:1Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus,

There is the Original 12:

Simon (Peter)

Andrew (his brother)

James (son of Zebedee)

John (his brother)

Philip

Bartholomew (Nathanael)

Thomas (Didymus)

Matthew (the tax collector/Levi)

James (son of Alphaeus)

Thaddaeus (Judas son of James, also called Jude or Lebbaeus)

Simon (the Zealot/Cananite)

Judas Iscariot (the betrayer, later replaced)

Judas was replaced by Matthias - After Judas Iscariot's death, Matthias was chosen by lot to replace him and is explicitly numbered "with the eleven apostles" (Acts 1:26). He is therefore referred to as an apostle. They held a unique position (role) in the Gospels -

Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

The Reader will notice that the writers of their Gospels - Luke and Mark were not part of the 12. - yet many refer to them as Apostles

Luke 9:1 Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases. 2 He sent them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. 3 And He said to them, “Take nothing for the journey, neither staffs nor bag nor bread nor money; and do not have two tunics apiece. 4 “Whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them.”

The reader will note that the 12 were called disciples when they were with Christ and Apostles when they were sent out -

Keep reading:

Luke 9:10 And the apostles, when they had returned, told Him all that they had done.

Same 12 people - their titles changed from disciple to apostle because they were sent out on a specific journey.

Luke 10:10 After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go. 2 Then He said to them, “The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. 3 Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road. 5 But whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest on it; if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking such things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’

Luke 10:17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”

EXACTLY the same direction from the Lord - EXACTLY the same authority and results.

Apostle - transliterated - apostolos - a delegate; specially, an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ ("apostle") (with miraculous powers):—apostle, messenger, he that is sent.

Then there is Paul - an Apostle to the Gentiles

Barnabus - Acts 14:4 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the multitude, crying out

James - Gal 1:19 19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

None will ever be to the level of the 12 -

But there are numbers called by God and sent who bear the Title Apostle who preached the Gospel, cast out demons and healed the sick.

When I think of modern times, I think of Dr. Billy Graham, who preached the Gospel to over 1 billion people - ministered to Kings and President, who's ministry saw tens of millions come to Christ for Salvation.

No. But there sure are a lot of folks today who think they'd like to be one.

Unqualified · 2025-11-28T21:00:39-0600

Don’t we spend enough time accusing the church. It’s rapping up to the end times it’s not going to get better. Everybody’s drawn their lines. I am just waiting for the rapture and being as faithful as I can be. God can save a few and give them new life, but there’s a whole slew of the faithful still running around and doing Gods work and some will be taken in the rapture. Comfort one another with these words.

Fervent · 2025-11-28T21:00:37-0600

ladodgers6 said:
I once again beg to differ. But anyways good day to you.

At best a discussion in a forum lke this is going to end up trading verses, not getting into the historical and literary contexts that are necessary to properly understand a document that is 2000 years old at the youngest. Especially when we get into texts that have been proof texted so often that the doctrinal gloss of a particular theological movement that didn't crop up until the 16th century has replaced the contextual understanding.

NxNW · 2025-11-28T20:53:27-0600

Always in His Presence said:
not related by marriage - not related by blood - not related. Which baby momma's and baby daddy's aren't.

I'll give you a dollar to learn how to use apostrophes.

PTW · 2025-11-28T20:39:39-0600

Zootopia+

All Becomes New · 2025-11-28T20:24:09-0600

It amazes me what Christians will fight about. Skillet's song is pretty tame, relatively speaking, when it comes to Christian Metal artists making Christmas music.

If you wanted to flip out about something, I think this song would be a lot more appropriate to get upset about (even though I personally still love this kind of thing)...

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mark46 · 2025-11-28T20:15:54-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Energy secretary suggests nationalizing private power generators to lower electricity prices, add capacity.

Trump’s Energy Secretary Wants Walmart Backup Generators Powering U.S. Grid
Chris Wright acknowledged prices are still rising

Chris Wright: “We will take backup generators already at data centers or behind the back of a Walmart and bring those on when we need extra electricity production.”

He suggested those private-sector generators, typically installed for emergency use, could be tapped when the grid requires supplemental electricity. Wright did not outline how such a program would work or whether companies have agreed to participate.

What you conclude is NOT in any way what the article says.
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The articles suggests that there could be a program whereby privately held power capacity which is off-grid could be used by to help power the grid in time of need. It noted that it didn't know which companies are interested.

There are programs in almost every state where private assets are allowed to be used to send power into the grid in times of need. Some involve water heaters, hone generation, electric car parked at municipal parking lots and many, many others. And yes, lots of baclkup generration can generate electricity to be provided to the gtid.
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BTW, this idea was noted as innovative and not at all a suggestion for action. I would note that NH took the opposite approach toward backup generation. They are fine with industrial generation and would allow it to be free from most generation provided that it is NOT connected to the grid. This generation would need to be on company property and the company would get no backup from the grid. This would greatly decrease the cost to other consumers.
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So
1) no mandatory program is suggested
2) even if the program were mandatory, the program would likely provide that any EXCESS be provided to the grid amd that the grid would have the right to turn the on the generation if it was not in use.

BTW, I worked in electric utility companies for over 25 years. This is a fine idea and should be explored.

Fantine · 2025-11-28T19:58:00-0600

Don't you know? Absolute guilt and horrific crimes are prerequisites for anyone seeking a Trump pardon. (A million or two dollars doesn't hurt, according to verified news sources early in his presidency.)

ARBITER01 · 2025-11-28T19:43:49-0600

Hentenza said:
My comment was not strange but only the logical conclusion to your argument. Perhaps you didn’t realize that. If faith is necessary for salvation then those that reject faith cannot attain salvation. This is a common teaching throughout scripture.

That's absolutely correct.

"Ye must be born again."

We can't be born again without faith, and everyone has to be born again if they are going to be adopted into the family of GOD by the blood of Jesus.

FaithT · 2025-11-28T19:28:32-0600

Tom D said:
The lotus flower grows from the mud but is not contaminated by its environment.

The lotus begins its life in muddy water at the bottom of ponds, but its stem pushes upward until the flower blooms above the surface. Despite the murky environment, its petals stay clean.

There's nothing wrong with loving the lotus flower, don't you think it is a symbol of certain holy person ??

Jesus? How so?

RickardoHolmes · 2025-11-28T19:10:16-0600

No Christmas without Christ. We anticipate his birth and Prepare for His Coming with Advent. We Celebrate His Birth at Christmas We Observe his Fulfillment of the Prophets at Epiphany

It is a season of Joy, of Love, Of Peace and of Celebration In all that we do, the Focus is Always on His Birth , EnJOY
Amen

Richard T · 2025-11-28T18:57:57-0600

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/28/politics/us-military-second-strike-caribbeanis

While I previously posted thoughts on boat killings and how the law and bible applies to them, This act of killing alleged drug smugglers after the boat was disabled is taking things another step further. It brings into question too, what lengths Trump might go to in possible ground operations.
Critical Issues on Trump Policies in South America. T

SabbathBlessings · 2025-11-28T18:30:39-0600

boughtwithaprice said:
I do not consider it arguing because we both believe the Sabbath was instituted by God, and I do not argue profaning it. You say it is my words and not scripture but Paul says the same that I am saying in Romans 14

4- Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own lord he standeth or falleth. And he shall stand: for God is able to make him stand 5 For one judgeth between day and day: and another judgeth every day: let every man abound in his own sense.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord. And he that eateth, eateth to the Lord: for he giveth thanks to God. And he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth thanks to God. 7 For none of us liveth to himself; and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord. Therefore, whether we live, or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose again; that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 But thou, why judgest thou thy brother? or thou, why dost thou despise thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Keeping everyday alike does not nullify the Sabbath, it amplifies it. We are to deny ourselves always and mortify the deeds of our flesh. In doing so, we never profane the Sabbath.

This Sabbath only teaching is obviously a distraction in the body of Christ

Thanks for providing Scriptures, this is a popular argument against obeying one of God's commandments, but I do not believe it was what Paul was referring to. We are told that when God blesses something, like He did with the Sabbath, only He can reverse Num23:20, so we would need a thus saith the Lord. Especially when it comes to Paul who has a warning in Scripture that people twist his writings to their own destruction, so to indicate that we should believe that Paul just undid everything God said in all of Scripture starting from Creation on the Sabbath, that Jesus said plainly, not a jot or tittle shall pass from His law, not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:18-19 but Paul is going to go against God and undo everything God said- God's own written Testimony that is under God's mercy seat. I see why we this was in our Bibles 2Peter3:16

Can you point to this passage where it says the Sabbath in Romans14? Can you point in this passage where what man esteems is more valuable than what God esteems in His own written and spoken Testimony. This is not an argument about if one should keep or not keep one of God's commandments its a discussion over what man esteems- like today some esteem Christmas as a religious holiday, while others do not, it was never about if we should disregard or keep a commandment of God or change what God wrote plainly. Not even your own church interprets this Scripture this way, they clearly say they changed the Sabbath not based on Scripture but their own authority over the word of God.

boughtwithaprice said:
Scripture also says in Matthew 7

16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.

What is the fruit of Sabbath only teaching? To some it is a way to honor God.

If we want to go by what the God of the Bible said in His own words, if that counts Isa58:13

boughtwithaprice said:
To others it is a cause of arrogance and ridicule causing some souls to view themselves superior which is against scripture which says consider all others as better than yourself

I do not say you do that, but there have been many SDA in my experience that do that and they are not rebuked. Does SDA not wish to instill humility in their adherents?

The error that SDA teaching on Romans 14 makes is that they claim others use it to justify profaning the Sabbath. It may be true for some but it does not reflect Church teaching and is therefore a misleading argument

This is all an opinion and seems like the real distraction to move away from what God commanded and try to justify why doing so, to make it seem Biblical when no Scripture supports it. Sorry you see it that way, but my view is our time on this earth is drawing to a near and God is calling us out of the false teachings Rev18:4 that have been handed down to us before its too late Rev 22:11. I have never seen anyone use keeping the Sabbath as a way to make one feel better than someone else, if they do, we all have to answer to God, but even if someone was, it still doesn't change what God wrote and God spoke so plainly Exo20:8-11. What other people do or don't do has no bearing on our own salvation. He all have to stand before God based on what we do. Ecc12:13-14 2Cor5:10

boughtwithaprice said:
I pray to God you seek the truth and not presume you already have it.

Same to you my friend.

boughtwithaprice said:
This conversation with you has opened my eyes to further truth. Sunday does not nullify nor replace the Sabbath but celebrates its continuation We have ceased from our labors by denying ourselves

Nothing we can find in our Bibles, God made all other days for work and labors Exo20:9 God only blessed and sanctified one day, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo20:8-11 Gen2:1-3 , the Holy Day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord Isa58:13 God never said this about any other day. Sunday over Sabbath is a man-made tradition over obeying one of God's personally written and spoken commandments that comes with His power of blessings and sanctification.

iarwain · 2025-11-28T18:15:51-0600

There's a difference between believing there may be some scribal errors, or even that accuracy was not always the main objective, but that the actual meaning and message still gets through - and discounting passages that might disagree with your idea of morality (especially "modern" morality). But does it matter, for example, if Job actually existed, or was just a parable? Don't we get the same meaning out of it either way?

All that said, I would not feel comfortable saying that ANY scripture is in error.

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