drjean said:

It needs to be done correctly or not at all. It is a portrayal of Christ's sacrifice....

anything with leaven in it portrays sin and Christ had no sin. ... etc.
It has it's basis in the Passover Meal.

The first-century congregation of Corinth did not understand the significance of the Passover. They observed it “in an unworthy manner,” not “discerning the Lord’s body” (1 Corinthians 11:27-29); they did not comprehend its real meaning.

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And VINES GREEK. DICTIONARY G371. says that UNWORTLY MANNER means that they were treating IT

as a COMMON. MEAL !!

dan p

Please pray that my son Jakeb didn't get food poisoning and he feels better fast. Oh please Dear God don't let him be sick!!! Oh please Dear God! I ask in the name of Jesus!! Amen God bless you. Carmen

Dan Perez said:

And Romans 6:14 says For sin will NOT. //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means that sin will. NEVER ,

EVER. RULE. for. you are. NOT. //. OU is a DISJUNATIVE PARTICLE. NEGATIVE for we are not. under the LAW , but

under GRACE !!

AND neither under the NEW COVENANT. and you say that you are , give a VERSE. PLEASE. !!

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Isaiah 42:6 “I am the Lord, I have called you in righteousness,
I have taken you by the hand and kept you;
I have given you as a covenant to the people,
a light to the nations, RSVCE

Jesus is both the High Priest and the sacrifice.

There is a rule in life. Not just Christian life or even religious life, but just a general rule.
If you hang on to things you should not have, they will eventually hang on to you. Disengage yourself from them. Make a clean break.
I used to believe that we should "be ourselves and genuine with God." But God expects us to change. We can change if we want to. We can renew our minds and crucify our flesh. We can forsake the world. It is only hard because we have such a tight hold on the things of this world. Or perhaps they have a tight hold on us. Either way... Put on the new man. It is not the man we are... not yet. But we can be free. I still struggle with some things. But not as much as I once did. But I know my righteousness is tied up with him, not myself. He helps.

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...so what happes if I take a non-resident into one of the parks in my vehicle? Are NPS staff going to check if every occupant of a vehicle is a U.S. resident? Imagine the additional time and entrance backups that will incur...

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They'd likely never know...

Per vehicle park admission fees typically just go by the license plate

Always are thankful that God offers Eternal Life as a free gift to be received

I am absolutely convinced that God still uses dreams to talk to us. We know that God has used dreams to communicate in the past: Genesis 37:5-11, Genesis 40:8, Daniel 2:19-22, Joel 2:28, Matthew 1:20, etc;.

But it seems to me that dreams are often dismissed as purely random or a mere recollection of daily events. I have never heard the topic of dreams discussed at any of the churches I have went to. I have not seen any discussion about dreams on Christian youtube channels either, really. Why is this? Has anyone had a profoundly "coincidental" dream before that ended up coming true? How does one gain Joseph's skill of dream interpretation?

DaisyDay said:

I'm pretty sure he is referring to Social Security as being the pyramid scheme (although I don't think bag holding is involved, even metaphorically).

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SS is just one aspect of how the next generation gets left holding the bag. There are many predictions of when SS funds will soon run out, for working people who are still paying into it; but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The bottom line is that fiat currency enables a government to spent more money than the people would willingly allow to be collected in taxes.

TLDR?

The government is spending too much.

Don't care?

More bread and circuses!

Rescued One said:

HAPPY tHANKSGIVING, EVERTONE. I fell 2x last week; thankful for no broken bones. I'm thankful for Stouffers roast turkey dinner.

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Happy Thanksgiving! God bless!

May God have mercy upon these men!

Imagine if they mocked Islam.

Hypocrites!

Hentenza said:

Matt. 22:40. He nailed ALL of the law to the cross. You are not addressing my post but merely trying to talk over me.

”We” did not read the definition of sin. First, where in Rom. 3:20 does it teach that Paul is referring to the sacrificial laws? The deeds of the law is doing the ”works” of the law whether is sacrifices, ceremonial, etc. So no one will ever be justified by the works of the law. Paul makes this super plain in the next chapter when he explains that Abraham was not justified by his works but by his faith. The sacrificial laws never removed sin nor did it give a way to repentance. Now, why do you think Paul states that now there is no condemnation to those in Christ in Rom. 8:1?

I’m going to post a response that I just posted to another poster in another thread that made a similar argument.


Several passages of Scripture clearly establish that the coming of Christ has brought an end to the Mosaic Law.

Romans 10:4, “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Christ fulfilled the Ten Commandments by living a perfect and sinless life and so when man trusts in Christ as his Savior, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to that individual so we have justification (Romans 4) resulting in the fact that the Law can’t condemn us (Romans 4:4-8; 5:1, 7:1-6, 8:1).

Christ fulfilled the ceremonial ordinances, the shadows and types of His person and work, by dying on the cross for us and in our place.

Christ also fulfilled the Social Law, but now He replaces it with a new way of life fitting to our new salvation.

The believer now is under God’s new law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2-4).

Therefore, the doctrine of justification by means of faith in Jesus Christ upholds the Law for three reasons:

(1) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross satisfied the demands of God’s Law that required that human sin be judged (Romans 3:26).

(2) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by fulfilling the purpose of the Law in driving men to Jesus Christ as their Savior (Galatians 3:24).

(3) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by providing believers the capacity to obey the Law through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:3-4).

This is why I have stated in the past that the Holy Spirit gives us the knowledge of sin and the way to repentance since the law is not able to. This is why there is no longer condemnation for those in Christ (Rom. 8:1).

At some point you should begin to question your biblical interpretation when it puts Jesus and the epistles in tension with what you are arguing. It’s about hermeneutics not about verse mining.

My light bulb is on.

Why do you think Paul would make such a statement? You post the verse but make no exegesis or commentary. I bet that I have a difference understanding of this verse.

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If you are following all of the writing of Paul, then you will find out that you are following Jesus, and if you are truly following Jesus then you are following the law of God. Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

People we must realize everybody has laws by which we must operate by, the governments have laws, your job have laws, your card games have laws, even the boy scouts have laws. But now you are going to try and convince yourselves that the creator of the world has no laws by which we must live.

Also Paul says in (Rom. 5:13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. If there is no law, there is no sin! When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

A Devil's Advocate said:

The goal of Christianity is to know God. This is something you could spend ten lifetimes in pursuit of and still have barely scratched the surface of everything there is to know about God.

It amazes me the amount of wasted time and energy people put towards this goal of sinning less and ultimately, not sinning at all. Does anyone read the bible for what it actually says, or does everyone read it for what they've been told it says?

If I was to ask you; do you identify as your sinful nature, or do you identify as the good you want to do but struggle with a sinful nature, which would best describe you? Most likely it will be the later of the two. You are the good you want to do but struggle with a sinful nature. Which would align you with what Paul talked about in Rom 7:14-20.
Now say by the power of grey skull, I snap my fingers and suddenly you no longer have a sinful nature. Will you continue to do the evil you do not want to do, or will you only do the good you so desire to do? Obviously, the good you desire to do is all that you are going to do.
Okay then, in your pursuit to stop sinning, what is it you are trying so hard to improve on? The good you already desire to do, or the sinful nature?

The good you desire to do clearly needs no improvement since it already desires to do good. The sinful nature, on the other hand, cannot be improved on. Scripture is vividly clear on this. If it could be improved on, then Paul would not have wrote what he wrote in Rom 7, and the Gospel wouldn't have been necessary.

Before you try and tell me Paul is speaking of before he was saved... this is the real world, not some fantasy. At what point, before you were saved, did you ever struggle between doing the good that God desires you to do and doing evil? The truth is you didn't. You simply did whatever felt good to you in the moment.

Before salvation we are spiritually dead, separated from God. Without spiritual life, there is no desire to do the will of God. Without spiritual life, the desires of the flesh are what rules us. We have no desire, what so ever, to do the will of God. After receiving new life (spiritual life), that is when we are suddenly presented with a dilemma. To now do the will of God.
This new dilemma is the very struggle Paul talks about. And the reason Paul talks about it is to make it clear to his readers that the very idea that we can stop sinning is ridiculous. He states very clearly that sin resides in the flesh. Unless you live in the fantasy world I mentioned earlier, until the day you die, you will remain in the flesh. The flesh is corrupt as a result of sin. And until our corrupted flesh is destroyed, and we are given new non corrupted bodies, this struggle will remain.

The time and energy put towards the goal of sinning less and ultimately not sinning at all, is misplaced, misleading, and ultimately leads us back into the bondage of sin. That time and energy should be put towards getting to know more of God. The logic is simple, if you are doing what you are supposed to be doing, you wont be doing what you aren't to be doing. The more of God you know, the more of God is revealed through you, and naturally, the less you will sin. No effort, no fuss, no worries.

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Be careful taking Paul in Romans 7 as being in the present tense and not the present historic tense. He was probably 12 when he learned about coveting. There are lots of excellent reasons why this battle description Paul was having would be written to the Romans in the present historic tense. Romans 8 is the solution.

Let me ask you: Have you ever been around a group of mostly new Christians, who if they show the slightest weakness including lusting, not doing what Christ would do and even think what Christ would not think, in every situation risked being seen by some very sneaky fellows who will tell some really bad guys you are not fully committed and those really bad guys will come and beat you maybe to death, to try and make you their slaves.

I can give you my personal story of God seeing to my humiliation, for I thought I was a Spiritual giant in the Kingdom, had done about every good thing you could and knew it all.



My single one-day awakening happened this way:

For many years, I experienced and believed Christianity had no real down side. It was a happy, easy and rewarding life, everyone should jump in. It was a fun easy life for me and I had a great resume and wanted to add prison Bible teaching.

I use to teach “we (Christians) all sin lots of times especially lusting and cannot keep from it, but we are constantly being washed by the blood of Christ, so we are without sin in that case.” That was before I met a group of Christians that risked death for themselves and others by sinning, just any sign of not doing what Christ would be doing in that moment could result in being beaten to death. Here is what happened:

I got thrown into (volunteered to substitute teach) with the youth (13-21 age) prisoners program teaching Bible (one hour on Sunday morning to a group of 14 with three other Christians teaching groups of 14) and I was teaching three groups of “Christians”. The first group were guys (“going to school”, it is called), they start out causing trouble and getting thrown in the tank. Then they start increasingly attending the Bible services, carrying their Bible, being nice, eventually being baptized and saying they are Christian. By the time the parole board meets, they have this glowing report showing continued improvement tied to their increased spirituality and are released. These guys still carry weapons, are members of a gang, and every prisoner knows they just “went to school” to get out. The second group were converted before they went to prison (granny conversions), but on their first day they are seen watching raunchy TV, hanging with a loss group, laughing at off colored jokes, they were not always talking about Jesus and were not trying to convert others. On their first day in prison the snitches see this, the snitches talk to the Bulls who then approach these “Christians” saying: “you are not a Christian” (doing everything Christ would do) and make them a slave (often sexual) or at best a gang member. They still come to Bible study on Sunday, so they can tell Granny (who visits them Sunday afternoon) what they learned, but they are slaves (sometimes sexually) to some bull. The third group is fanatical, they stick close to each other, they: study, pray, witness to everyone, and avoid even a hint of insincerity that the snitches could see. They carry no weapons, but step between those that are being beaten especially persecuted. This group had grown over the last 3 years from just a couple of guys to now 42, but it came at a high price. Each convert had on the day he was baptized, given up the protection of his gang membership, turned over his weapons along with all his possessions (the gang owns everything including them), they were beaten if not by the gang they left, then by other gangs looking for payback and then they were watched constantly looking for any sign the snitches might interpret as weakness (anything less than what Christ would do in the situation, would result in a beating and it could lead to death). There is absolutely no privacy and these Christians never wanted to be found alone. They slept in barracks where at least one stayed awake all night praying over the others, so they could sleep without the fear of being smashed in the head in the middle of the night. These guys believed and counted on power from the Holy Spirit, I did not know existed. They come battered and bruised each week hungry for some real meaningful Christ like lesson that goes beyond their group study of 40+hours that week on the same subject, which I could not provide. They mostly helped me with my poor example of Christianity and lack of knowledge and lack of wisdom. They mentored me even though they were only Christian for a few months, but I was a poor disciple and could not keep up with them. I don’t know if I could go through what they went through.

I had many hard nights praying and crying over those young men. I Loved them and empathetically to some degree suffered with them.

They really did not talk about “not sinning”, but what better things they could be doing each and every minute of the day and night. If they did sin, even with their thoughts, they confessed immediately to everyone (all around so the snitches could hear it also), asking for help, prays and ideas on doing better, yet this was not a daily action for everyone.

It is not so much not wanting to sin, but wanting to be a Christ like Christian (witness). This was not done to please the guards because the guards did not like them witnessing to them and the fact others might beat on them caused the guards added work to break up the beatings.

Maybe we do not see the Spirit working in us because we quench Him or are not in situations of really needing Him. Severe persecution brings out the Spirit in those who have the Spirit.

One example of what I learned from them was: “You do not even try to keep from sinning (be on the defensive), but try to be involved in the next minute, in doing something really good (constantly on the offensive) then the Holy Spirit can be involved with you and you keep doing good stuff all day and night and pick it up the next day”. You just do not have time to be involved in any sinning.

At my first time teaching, a non-Christian at the end of my shameful lesson asked me a question I could not answer and a young new convert jumped in and answered for me but first said: “Don’t bother him, he is a newbie” (yet I had been a Christian for 10 years and he had been a Christian less than a few months, yet he was right and I was the babe.)

NxNW said:

If you read to the end, you'll see how Trump pardoned a crypto scammer who was making Trump money:

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If you read to the end, you'll see how Trump pardoned a crypto scammer whose company is accused of 'knowingly' financing Hamas in the lead up to the October 7th attacks.

Binance Accused of ‘Knowingly’ Enabling Oct. 7 Terror Attacks in Explosive Lawsuit​

Cryptocurrency giant Binance and its Trump-pardoned co-founder Changpeng Zhao are accused of “knowingly” helping to channel “more than $1 billion” to Hamas and other U.S.-designated terror groups in the years leading up to the October 7 attacks in a new explosive lawsuit filed on behalf of victims’ families.

The 284-page filing, submitted in federal court in North Dakota, claims the world’s largest crypto exchange “deliberately” failed “to monitor inbound funds” tied to Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

Zhao is among those named in the lawsuit, alongside associate Guangying Chen.

DOJ Tries To Undo Damage of Its ‘Ham-Fisted’ Letter in Texas Gerrymander Case​

The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) filed an amicus brief Monday supporting Texas’ gerrymandered congressional map, boldly claiming that the much-maligned letter it sent urging state leaders to redistrict was not, in fact, the reason why Texas redrew its map immediately after receiving the letter.

The DOJ letter – which instructed Texas to redraw specific congressional districts because of their racial makeup, and threatened swift legal action if it did not comply – played a major role in the majority opinion. The judges concludedit was key evidence of racial gerrymandering.

Now, in its new brief, the DOJ has attempted to argue the court misinterpreted the letter and claimed the state did not redistrict because of it.

The DOJ’s new argument could come as a surprise to Texas House Speaker Dustin Burrows (R), who explicitly said upon the map’s passage: “The Texas House today delivered legislation to redistrict certain congressional districts to address concerns raised by the Department of Justice.”

BelieveItOarKnot said:

The "location" of Satan is not really divulged to us. We can pretty much presume it to be in the unseen arena, of adverse spirits, whatever and wherever that is. And since these bad actors act up in people, we can presume we're part of their habitation, per Mark 4:15 and other scriptures such as Luke 11:24 showing the unclean spirit considers man "his house." And of course the myriad of scriptures that show us in the Gospels Jesus engaging Satan and devils in people. One of the most obvious showings in the Gospels.

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Job 1:7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

Jesus was not encountering demons in everyone, so how can you say everyone has a demon in them?

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I believe that 1 John 4:7 is true for every person, myself included and that Jesus is the Savior of the world, per the scriptures. I believe He Gets The Job Done too. Most don't. Most think Jesus fails.

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John 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

1 John 4:7 Talks about “Godly type Love” which comes with the indwelling Holy Spirit, but as 1 John 4:7-11 points out it is contingent on “if we Love one another”, which is not true of everyone.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Were there a single named example of such a thing I might buy into it, but there's not one single named person given as an example out of potentially multiple BILLIONS of examples. Not even one named person even threatened with such a fate.

Plus the situation is compounded with difficulty because, scripturally, people are not just people. It's people and the tempter working against all of us, from within.

So I believe Jesus could look any of us in the eye, sentence us to our face to hell and it would apply to the TEMPTER. And I would rejoice then to hear those Words knowing unto whom they are directed. Not run from them like most do.

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There are tons of warnings in scripture directed at individual people and not some demon living in them. Jesus drove out the demons in those who had a demon around Him and it was not everyone.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Aka Jesus as a failure and people as a failure as well. Not my idea of A Real Savior of the world. Your view makes God held hostage by man's decisions and then, by their failures to save themselves, God is forced into a corner and must burn them alive forever.

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People do not “save themselves”! God does not “force” Love/charity/forgiveness/salvation on anyone. This is not a shotgun wedding with God holding the shotgun (which would not be Loving nor would the love received be Godly type Love). Jesus and God did their part perfectly, you just have to accept the charity as charity to complete the transaction.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I just don't believe that's the case for multiple reasons. And I certainly don't believe God burns His Own children alive forever or eternally kills them. To me, that's out there. Demonic.

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What is really hard to believe is God’s Love to be so great as to allow His only innocent son to be willingly tortured, humiliated and murdered to save some really guilty unappreciative children deserving of nothing.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I'll give you an example of one problem with so called "freewill." It DEMANDS that God is ruled OUT of mankinds will and it DEMANDS that Satan's will is ruled out as well so the MAN's bad/sinful decisions only rest on the man. And both of those attempts are simply a leap that doesn't exist in scripture. I'd dare call the claim essentially Godless.

I believe scriptures are quite clear that there are actually 3 wills going on with everyone and that neither the Will of God nor the will of Satan can be ruled out of the picture for anyone.

That makes freewill a very muddled claim, at best. It's mostly used to justify believers and condemn blinded captives of the devils, such as with Adam and Eve. I don't need to move that way, trusting in God in Christ for every person, as we should.and we can remain in condemnation of every devil in man simultaneously. It's an actual working Gospel that can be taken into real life daily.

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We are talking only about a very limited amount of free will, which God is Loving enough and powerful enough to provide to humans, without negatively affecting others with their free will choice. God and Christ have free will and thus can Love with a free will choice, for us to Love like Christ and God we to must have free will.

The one autonomous free will choice mature adults need to be able to make to complete their earthly objective is to humbly accept or reject God’s help (charity/mercy/grace/Love/forgiveness) as pure charity. In other words: sinful humans can choose to hang in there, be macho, pay the piper and take the punishment they fully deserve or they can wimp out, give up and surrender to their hated enemy, while they still hate their enemy (God) they are just willing to humbly accept their enemy’s undeserved pure charity. They still might feel they deserve from their enemy to be severely tortured to death, for their previous war crimes, yet they are willing to take undeserved charity. They are not being righteous, holy, glorious, honorable, worthy and noble in what they are doing, since it is for selfish reasons, they are willing to accept their enemy’s charity.

God is not forcing his charity on the sinner like some kind of shotgun wedding with God holding the shotgun, since that would not be Loving on God’s part nor would the sinner obtain Godly type Love in that manner. By accepting this Love in the form of forgiveness Jesus has taught us “…he who is forgiven much Loves much…” so humbly accepting pure undeserved forgiveness of an unbelievable huge debt automatically results in the former sinner receiving an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love) and thus fulfill the first part of sinners earthly objective.

Verses supporting free will

Gen. 1-3 Did Adam and Eve have free will?

Exodus 35:29 “All the Israelite men and women who were willing brought to the Lord freewill offerings for all the work the Lord through Moses had commanded them to do.” Are these truly free will offerings?

Jonah 3: 10 “When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.” Did the people of Nineveh change what God said he would do?

How is this not saying that God’s actions are contingent on the choices of the people?

"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40). Note that Jesus does not say, "you cannot come", which the Greek does not say here, but, "you refuse to come", in order that you may have eternal life. It was their own rejection of Jesus and the Gospel, that would damn their souls, and not because they were "unable" to make the "choice" themselves.

Christ is God here on earth. The “whomsoever” does not mean only the elect, but lots of people, who then made the choice to accept or reject Christ. "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40)

To say: “Christ only reveals Himself to those who God have chosen to accept Him”, means God is guilty of not helping others to accept Christ.

John 15: 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

If they have no free will, they have an excellent excuse for sinning?

There are all the “whosoever” verses making it contingent.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Well, at least you manage to get the other party on the table, and that alone makes yours a fuzzy picture of blame to man, knowing full well that sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor. 5:19. IF we really believe that there is only one party left on the table to count sins against and that is the devil and his own.

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2 Cor. 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

Yes God is in the process of reconciling the world to himself, but we are also to be doing that as His ambassadors, making His appeal through us, but it is an “appeal”, meaning something which can be accepted or rejected.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I've never said God excuses any evil. He doesn't. Nor does God forgive sin. God does count sins against the devils.

Nor did the devil make anyone do it. The devil does it. Satan does what Satan does. Sins in people.

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There are plenty of places talking about people sinning and it does not say the devil sinned through them, so the people are not sinning.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

No matter how much we might try to hang our heads and repent, that never made anyone sinless.

We are undoubtedly commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves and we don't have to concede or accept anything devils do in people, starting with the LOG in our own eye on this matter.

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If you are forgiven of the sins you have done, you are a previous sinner.

Yes we are to work on ourselves first and after being forgiven confessing and repenting we can help others.

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Sometimes people do need that. Then they grow up and become adults.

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And when they are adults not medically trained they rely on medical advice from their health department.

The zero evidence for modern lathe work, stone softening, moulding stones etc is also reflected in the vocabulary used in the Old Kingdom.
While the Old Kingdom had words to describe tools attested to by archaeological discoveries such as abrasives, saws, copper chisels, hammerstones, and verbs for cutting, carving, grinding and polishing, there is nothing to describe lathe work, softening and moulding.

Below is a table of Old Kingdom craft-related vocabulary with their Gardiner sign codes and the corresponding hieroglyphic spellings.
I’ve also included an image group showing examples of the key signs used in these words (drill, chisel, adze, grinding, craft tools).
This keeps things accurate and avoids speculative or reconstructed glyph forms.

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Hieroglyphic Signs Used in Old Kingdom Craft Vocabulary​

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Vocabulary Table With Hieroglyphs (Using Standard Gardiner Codes)​

Term (Transliteration)	Meaning	Hieroglyphic Writing (with Gardiner Codes)	Notes
ḥs	grind / rub / polish	ḥ (V28) + s (S29)	Used for smoothing stone surfaces.
šd	cut / carve	š (S29 variant) + d (D46)	Appears in stone- and wood-working contexts.
qd	carve / shape	q (Q3) + d (D46)	Common in statuary and vessel carving.
ḫtm	drill / bore	ḫ (AA1) + t (X1) + m (G17)	Matches bow-drilling and tube-drilling activities.
mrḳ	polish / burnish	m (G17) + r (D21) + q (Q3)	Final finishing stage for hard stone vessels.
dbn	hammerstone / pounder	d (D46) + b (D58) + n (N35)	Depicted in quarrying scenes.
mnḏ	copper chisel	m (G17) + n (N35) + ḏ (Aa1/ḏ sign)	Copper chisels attested archaeologically.
mr	adze	m (G17) + r (D21)	The adze is shown as sign T1, the tool itself.
sḏm	scrape / file / hear	s (S29) + ḏ (Aa1) + m (G17)	Used in smoothing and finishing contexts.
sṯ	saw	s (S29) + ṯ (X4)	Sawing depicted with copper saw + abrasive sand.
ḥmt	craftsman / artisan	ḥ (V28) + m (G17) + t (X1)	Appears in scenes of copper- and stone-working.
ḥmw	craftsmen	ḥ (V28) + m (G17) + w (M17×2)	Collective term for workers in workshops.
khn	hollow out	k (V31) + ḥ (V28) + n (N35)	Used in hollowing stone bowls and vases.
šsp	chip / flake	š (S29) + s (S29) + p (Q3)	Associated with chipping stone or wood.
bḥn	emery / abrasive stone	b (D58) + ḥ (V28) + n (N35)	Identified mineral abrasive for polishing.
šʿt	grindstone	š (S29) + ʿ (G1) + t (X1)	Refers to grinding or sharpening tools.

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Notes on Hieroglyphic Accuracy​

• Old Kingdom spellings vary; the versions shown are standard Middle Egyptian forms, which are the conventional way Egyptologists represent the words.
• Craft vocabulary is well-attested in tomb scenes (e.g., Ti, Ptahhotep, Mereruka) and tool lists.
• All signs listed follow Gardiner's Sign List, the standard system for citing Egyptian hieroglyphs.
  

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Isn't it a 'remarkable coincidence' the absence of hi tech evidence also shows up as an absence of terms describing them.

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I guess my question would be, what is the underlying challenge or problem the training would be aimed at?

Conflict resolution training sounds more like it's aimed at helping the team work well together. I have done training on the sort of thing you're talking about, but it was presented more as "conflict and aggression management" as an aspect of worker safety.

(As in, there's a difference between training aimed at resolving conflict between team members, and training aimed at helping workers respond to and manage difficult clients. I'd think it's a matter of making sure you get the right kind of training for your situation).

Honestly, the best thing the training I did achieved, was helping build confidence among our volunteers. They had been very intimidated by some of our more difficult folk, but being given some simple tools and some approaches to think about, helped them to not be so anxious; which in turn helped them to not escalate situations that didn't need to get out of hand.

boughtwithaprice said:

Isaiah 1 shows us that the Sabbath is not the primary commandment. God gave it to Israel for their good, but God desires more than a mere show of worship.

Do you love your enemies? Do you sacrifice your personal will and desires for the greater glory of God? What challenged you most about the scriptures? If you can’t answer or say the sabbath, you miss the point.

13 Offer sacrifice no more in vain: incense is an abomination to me. The new moons, and the sabbaths, and other festivals I will not abide, your assemblies are wicked. 14 My soul hateth your new moons, and your solemnities: they are become troublesome to me, I am weary of bearing them. 15 And when you stretch forth your hands, I will turn away my eyes from you: and when you multiply prayer, I will not hear: for your hands are full of blood.


Are the hands not full of blood when the sabbath is used for arrogance and condemnation rather than the gift of rest that comes from God?

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Lets look at the context of this passage

God is addressing rebellion with the nation.

Isa 1:4 Alas, sinful nation,
A people [c]laden with iniquity,
A [d]brood of evildoers,
Children who are corrupters!
They have forsaken the Lord,
They have provoked to anger
The Holy One of Israel,
They have turned away backward.

Isa 1:13 Bring no more futile[f] sacrifices;
Incense is an abomination to Me.
The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
Your New Moons and your appointed feasts
My soul hates;
They are a trouble to Me,
I am weary of bearing them.
15 When you [g]spread out your hands,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Even though you make many prayers,
I will not hear.
Your hands are full of [h]blood.

Here's another example. Does God not want us to pray? When we turn our ears from hearing His laws (laying it aside as it is not for me Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14) even our prayers are an abomination to Him. So is prayer the issue or is the issue our rebellious heart and disobedience. The same principle God is saying in Isaiah 1.

Pro28:9 One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer is an abomination.

God is referring to the annual feast day offerings, some are annual sabbaths it wasn't the Sabbath that was the issue, what is God calling them out for? Their sins that they were not turning from, the sacrifices to God will mean nothing if we do not have a sorry heart and turn from sin Pro28:13, they are futile. Why He said its better to obey than to sacrifice 1 Sam15:22

He is rejecting their sinful behavior combined with forced religious rituals.

They were committing sin and showing up to their feasts and Sabbath without a changed heart or turning from sin. This is what God was condemning.

All you have to do is read a little further in Isaiah to know the Sabbath was not the issue.


Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

And in Isa 58 and Isa 66.

boughtwithaprice said:

The final Sabbath belongs to Mary.

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Not something found in our Bibles

boughtwithaprice said:

She alone prayed and wept while her Son was in the tomb.

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Not something we can find in our Bibles Luke 23:27 John19:25

boughtwithaprice said:

The Resurrection does not begin with the Sabbath.. Scripture states after the Sabbath was past, toward the dawn of the first day of the week…..,

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The Sabbath was kept according to the commandment after Jesus was crucified by His faithful disciples Luke23:56 The reference you make is a historical statement, it has nothing to do with changing a commandment of God. We would need a Text from God for that.

boughtwithaprice said:

We have historical record the Christians worshipped thereafter on the first day of the week and then everyday.

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Not in our Bibles - I guess that's why you keep only quoting "you". We should worship God 365 24/7 and if one was doing so, they would be keeping God’s commandments. If you mean corporate worship as a holy convocation every first day, not in our Bibles. There are a couple Texts where they gathered on the first day to have a meal and a meeting, it was a one time meeting, it says nothing about it being for corporate worship, or changing one of God's commandment, we again need Scripture to say this. Jesus ratified His covenant at His death. To make a change in His covenant- He would have to die all over again, but His sacrifice was once and for all. The apostles were commissioned to spread the gospel, not change God's times and laws they knew would happen from Daniel. They never rebelled against God. The faithfully kept every Sabbath preaching the word of God in a holy convocation to both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus Himself Luke4:16 and He predicted- His house would be a house of prayers for all nations. Isa56:6-7 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 etc.

boughtwithaprice said:

The old covenant is past the New Covenant is here and the glory of Our Lord Jesus Christ shines forth in the world

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Amen! The New Covenant is God's laws, the tablets of stone went to tablets of the heart Heb8:10 2Cor3:3 God not altering the words of His covenant Psa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-30

boughtwithaprice said:

It is completely false to say Constantine started Sunday worship to take the place of Sun worship
Christians were worshipping on Sunday in the first and second centuries

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This is not something your church even believes - they openly admit to changing God's Sabbath commandment based on their authority over the word of God.

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

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... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

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Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

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Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11,

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boughtwithaprice said:

The sabbath only relates to the creation of the earth. It does not reveal a divine truth or essence, else Isaiah would not proclaimed that by those sabbaths God will not abide

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Not in our Bibles

boughtwithaprice said:

Scripture also says that heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will not pass away.

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Amen! Including His Word - His Testimony written and spoken by God Himself.

boughtwithaprice said:

The sabbath refers to earth.

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Not according to God

Isa66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

boughtwithaprice said:

If earth passes away, what then of the Sabbath?

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It continues for worship thus saith the Lord.

boughtwithaprice said:

Too much emphasis on creation and not the Creator.

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Not all at, the Creator is who asked us to keep the Sabbath day holy. Keeping another day is its place is honoring the Catholic church who admits they changed God's Sabbath. Keeping the Sabbath day holy, we honor God, thus saith the Lord

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

boughtwithaprice said:

Do we worship the creation rather than the Creator?

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You told me how you feel about keeping God’s Sabbath but what does God say on the matter, thats what I care about and He was very clear on this subject, He is the only opinion that matters and His was very different …

God speaking....

Eze20: 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Eze 20:16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

Eze20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.

No wonder why in the last days we are called back to worship the God of Creation because so many has departed from Him whoever we obey is who we serve (worship)- God placed His seal/sign in the Sabbath commandment. And when we hallow His Sabbaths they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.

Sadly, this is even a debate. But It was predicted Dan7:24 2 Tim 4:3-4

Rev 14:7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The end times are about the battle over worship. Do we stay faithful to God, or follow those who changed His times and laws. I pray we make the right decisions because the only antidote for this Rev14:11 is this Rev14:12 (God's version, not mans.)

A CALLER ON MY radio show today asked whether angels are responsible for the “vibrations” heard throughout the universe. He had come across a speaker who suggested something along those lines and wanted to know if it was odd speculation or if the Church actually teaches anything that resembles it. His description mixed a few ideas together, but it touched on something more significant than he realized.

Catholic teaching has always held that angels are real spiritual beings who serve God in ways both revealed and hidden. Scripture hints at some of their responsibilities, the Fathers expand on that picture, and the great theologians explain how their activity fits within God’s providence. The idea that they exercise influence within the created order is not a modern fantasy. It is part of the Catholic understanding of how divine governance reaches into the visible world.

Before turning to St. Thomas Aquinas, it helps to recall that the Church has never claimed to know the full scope of what angels do (Catechism 328–336). What has been revealed shows that they carry out genuine tasks, and the tradition teaches that their responsibilities extend far beyond what Scripture records. That is the context for understanding how a casual remark about “vibrations” can gesture, however clumsily, toward an older and richer teaching.

St. Thomas Aquinas states plainly that angels serve in God’s external missions:

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