SabbathBlessings said:

The next verse begs to differ Mat5:20. The Pharisees were keeping their man-made traditions over obeying the commandments of God (Jesus quoting from the Ten Commandments) and Jesus in His own words said it made the word of God of no effect by keeping their traditions over obedience to God's commandments Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13, if our righteousness does not surpass theirs we will be no means enter into the Kingdom of heaven hence the warning in Mat5:19

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ChubbyCherub said:

Well, that is a failing in our school system, I guess.

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NewLifeInChristJesus said:

It is hard to overlook the many doctrinal mis-steps of a few denominations. I will never consider joining any of them. So that is why I am doing my research ahead of time. Even if it has "Baptist" in its name, that doesn't mean it is a good church.

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Mark Quayle said:

You take that for axiomatic, just as, I'm guessing, you would take that "the command implies the ability to obey". (—It does not).

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Mark Quayle said:

If your choices are decided by God, it does not imply that you do not really choose. In fact, I think it is more obvious, since God is First Cause, that your choices are only real if God "establishes" them. (See the WCF 3.1) That you are not the prime mover in your choices does not deny that you are the immediate cause in your choices.

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Mark Quayle said:

False as the day is long. You continue in your notion of man as prime mover in his deeds. You indeed do WILL to do what you do, and that, by what you deem more advantageous or desirous. You choose according to your inclinations.

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Mark Quayle said:

Let me try to point out something. God not only has the right and the ability to cause absolutely everything to happen just as it does. But any truth there is to our skewed views (and descriptions) of who chooses what and why the do so does not approach the level at which reality [itself] is caused to exist. Even if you are entirely right in the POV from which you try to describe how choice operates, you must admit that God caused it. That reality did not cause itself, nor did it exist before God showed up "on the scene". Nothing existed before God. He did not "show up".

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Mark Quayle said:

That believers must and do actually choose Christ is not debated. That we do have real, valid, faith by which we are saved is also not debated. But the source of those things absolutely is at issue here.

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Bro.T said:

Over the years many have taught various ways to receive everlasting life. No wonder the world is full of so many denominations. All of these different doctrines, seemingly coming from the bible, tend only to confuse people. Most people don't know what to believe and simply choose not to attend any church. Salvation, what would you trade fore it? This is a question you should ask yourself. The answer should be nothing. What people fail to realize is Adam sin and brought forth the first and second death, and that second is the lake of fire. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12)

So at this point the creation is lock under these two death, this is before Jesus of course. I find that a lot of people don’t understand this. We have a lot righteous prophets and people in the old testament, but still lock under those two death. We also have a lot of evil people in the old testament who will still be lock under those two death. If you are lock under those two death, this mean you will be raise from dead, and Judged, then headed straight for the lake of fire. So now, Jesus came and die for the world and bless us with grace, so that our righteousness which will remove the second death.

Jesus says in Luke: 31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. See sin is what got us these two death in the first place. Let’s take a look at the biblical definition of sin. 1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.)

So when you sin, you transgress the law, what law? The Commandments brother and Sisters. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1: 6,8,9)

So if you think because Jesus die for our sins, and you don’t have to keep the law (Commandments) then you are sinning, and Paul told us in Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We all have to do the samething to get in the kingdom of God, and one of those things is keeping the Commandments. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

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samaus123456789 said:

I pasted what I wrote into chat gpt and it gave me this

Rev 12 commentary

1. THE WOMAN = ISRAEL Revelation 12:1 uses Genesis 37:9–10. Sun = Jacob. Moon = Rachel. Twelve stars = tribes of Israel. Thus the woman = covenant Israel, the Old Covenant people who produced the Messiah, the apostles, and the first Judean Christian remnant.

2. THE MALE CHILD = JESUS Revelation 12:5: Messiah destined to rule (Psalm 2). Family flees to Egypt to escape Herod. Maybe they were gone 3.5 years. Don't know what the Jesus caught up to heaven thing is.


3. THE HERODS = all the different HEADS & HORNS OF THE DRAGON/BEAST Herod the Great — tried to kill infant Jesus (Matthew 2:13–18) Herod Archelaus — avoided by Joseph due to violence (Matthew 2:22) Herod Antipas — killed John (Mark 6), mocked Jesus (Luke 23:7–11) Herod Philip — tetrarch Herod Agrippa I — killed James, imprisoned Peter (Acts 12) Herod Agrippa II — opposed Paul (Acts 25–26), backed Rome Herodian women — Bernice, Drusilla, Salome (Acts 24:24; Josephus) All persecuted Christ and His people. They were the dragon’s earthly instrument.

4. THE WAR IN HEAVEN WAS LITERAL Jesus Himself said: Luke 10:18 — “I saw Satan FALL like lightning from heaven.” John 12:31 — “NOW is the judgment of this world; NOW shall the prince of this world be CAST OUT.” Revelation 12:7–9: Michael defeats Satan; Satan expelled; Satan descends to attack Jerusalem and the Church. Daniel 12:1: “Michael shall stand up… there shall be a time of trouble.” This time = 66–70 AD

5. 1 ENOCH 70-GENERATION PROPHECY 1 Enoch 10: angels bound “for 70 generations, until the day of judgment.” Using Septuagint genealogies: Enoch → 70 generations → Jesus. Thus Jesus arrives precisely when the countdown ends. The war in heaven, Satan’s fall, and Jerusalem’s destruction complete Enoch’s prophecy

6. THE SECOND COMING WAS LITERAL AND VISIBLE IN 70 AD Revelation 1:7 — “Every eye shall SEE Him, even those who pierced Him.” “Those who pierced Him” = the Sanhedrin still alive. Jesus predicted this exact visible event: Matthew 24:30 — “They shall SEE the Son of Man coming in the clouds…” Matthew 16:27 — “The Son of Man will come… WITH HIS ANGELS.

Matthew 26:64 — “YOU will SEE the Son of Man at the right hand of Power, coming in the clouds.” Judeans literally saw Jesus above Jerusalem: — At the right hand of the Father — In the clouds — Surrounded by all the holy angels

7. JOSEPHUS CONFIRMS some SKY SIGNS Wars 6.5.3 (Whiston): “Before sunset, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running among the clouds and surrounding cities." Tacitus said the same, and the same kind of thing was seen when God was judging Jerusalem in 1/2 Maccabees in the 100s BC


8. THE MOURNING OF JUDEA Revelation 1:7 — “All tribes of the LAND will mourn.” Two types: • Terror — those dying in Jerusalem saw Jesus and mourned in horror. • Repentance — Christian Judeans fleeing to Pella saw Jesus and mourned for rejecting Him. Fulfills Zechariah 12:10 — “They shall look upon Me whom they pierced and mourn.”
9. THE WOMAN’S FLIGHT = PELLA Revelation 12:14–16: The Judean Christians are taken out of the promise land on Eagle’s wings), just like God took their ancient ancestors out of Egypt on eagles wings (Exodus 19:4. They had to cross the Jordan to get into the promise land now they are fleeing the old covenant promise land over the Jordan to Pella. The devil tries to flood the Jordan but God swallows the water. Flight to Pella - Wikipedia

10. THE WOES OF JESUS = THE WOES OF REVELATION Matthew 23 — Seven Woes upon Pharisees: “All these things shall come upon THIS generation.” Revelation 8–12 — Three Woes upon Jerusalem, “the city where their Lord was crucified” (Rev 11:8). Revelation’s woes = execution of Matthew 23.

11. REVELATION 9 — APOLLYON = TITUS OF LEGIO XV APOLLINARIS Revelation 9:11 — “Apollyon” = Apollo. Titus commanded Legion XV Apollinaris (Apollo’s legion). Locusts = armies (Joel 1–2). Roman siege machinery fits the imagery. Thus: locusts = Roman armies; king = Apollo → Titus.

12. REVELATION 11 — TRAMPLING OF THE TEMPLE Revelation 11:2 — Holy city trampled 42 months = 66–70 AD. Revelation 11:8 — “Where their Lord was crucified” = Jerusalem. Revelation 11:19 — Heavenly ark appears; earthly Temple replaced.

that is the main parts of Rev 1-12 I know. In the first few pages of Rev 1 Jesus said the time is near, soon, at hand, and he tells one church he is coming back in their generation. Rev 1-12 was just Gods judgement on Judea for killing Jesus, the apostles and for all the blood shed in history back to Abel.

Rev 13-22 is future still not until 4400-4500 AD based on 1 Enoch's 10,000 year prophecy
Jesus ben Ananias - Wikipedia sounds like one of the two witnesses but does not match. whoever they were they happened. gospel of nicodemus, history of joseph the carpenter, apocalypse of peter all internally written pre 70 ad, and i believe are inspired said it was going to be enoch and elijah

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BobRyan said:

I did not mention my bias. I never asked for the Adventist church to even be in the list.

The only theological POV I specified was "Sola scriptura testing of doctrine".

If your point is that such a search criteria is just another way to say "select the Adventist denomination" , then I am more than a little bit surprised that you consider this to be a clear selection for "just the Adventist denomination



I am pretty sure that if I had asked the question "which denomination would Dr. Ben Carson, or Ellen White prefer", I would get "Adventist" as the answer but I did not specify that kind of selection criteria

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Dikaioumenoi said:

, but the central idea is ability, not the fact of coming itself.

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Dikaioumenoi said:

I do agree with you when you say "the drawing results in discipleship and fellowship with Christ,"

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Dikaioumenoi said:

but I do not think you can conclude that from "no one can come to me unless drawn." All that "no one can come to me unless drawn" tells us is that the drawing is necessary in order for coming to occur, not sufficient to produce coming.

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Dikaioumenoi said:

What does entail sufficiency, however, is the final clause, "and I will raise him up on the last day." It is that statement that tells us the one drawn/enabled = the one who actually comes and is raised.

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⭐ Pseudepigrapha does not exist​

• If a text says “I, X, wrote this”, then we treat that authorship claim as true, unless it is literally impossible.
• If a text is anonymous, we do not assume later forgery or fictional attribution.
• We never claim “someone pretended to be Moses / Enoch / Ezra / Paul.”
• We treat all authorship claims as genuine unless external evidence forces a different conclusion.

⭐ FOUNDATIONAL RULES​

✔ Rule 1 — Prophecy is real and allowed​

✔ Rule 2 — Authorship claims are assumed honest​

• language from thousands of years later appears
• the text references events far after the author’s life as past history (not prophecy)

✔ Rule 3 — Oldest manuscript data only tells us that the text existed before that date​

✔ Rule 4 — No anonymous text is assumed forged​

✔ Rule 5 — Ancient communities preserved authorship correctly unless strong contrary evidence exists​

⭐ PART 1 — HOW TO DATE A TEXT WHEN PSEUDEPIGRAPHA IS REMOVED AS A CATEGORY​

✔ Language​

✔ Culture​

✔ Historical background​

✔ Intertextual relationships​

✔ Archaeology​

✔ The text’s OWN claims​

⭐ STEP 1 — Accept the internal authorial claim as true​

• Daniel → written by Daniel in Babylon
• Isaiah → written by Isaiah son of Amoz
• 1 Enoch → written (or dictated) by Enoch
• Jubilees → written by Moses via an angel
• 2 Esdras → written by Ezra
• Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs → written by Jacob’s sons
• Revelation → written by John
• Psalm superscriptions → written by David, Asaph, Moses, etc.

⭐ STEP 2 — Test the linguistic era of the text​

• vocabulary
• grammar
• syntax
• orthography
• loanwords
• idioms
• linguistic drift

✔ later scribal updating​

✔ preservation through translation​

✔ revised editions by disciples​

✔ transmission into later linguistic forms​

• the Hebrew of the Torah (copied for 1000+ years)
• the Greek of Daniel (translated, not original)
• Proverbs (royal collections added over time)

⭐ STEP 3 — Determine the cultural background of the text​

• calendar systems
• priestly rituals
• purity practices
• economic life
• social structure
• administration
• temple layout

⭐ STEP 4 — Identify historical assumptions as current reality​

• Is the temple standing?
• Which empire rules?
• What political offices exist?
• What weapons or technology are normal?
• What borders or nations are active?

⭐ STEP 5 — Use intertextual relationships correctly​

• “Text A rewrites Genesis; therefore, it must be late and pseudepigraphic.”

• “Text A knows Genesis, so it came after Genesis.”

⭐ PART 2 — HOW TO HANDLE MANUSCRIPT EVIDENCE WITHOUT FALSE ASSUMPTIONS​

“The oldest manuscript is from year X, so the text must have been written around year X.”

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✔ Oldest manuscript = latest possible date, not earliest.​

✔ Transmission explains later language.​

✔ Absence of early manuscripts proves nothing.​

✔ Prophecy is allowed, so fulfilled predictions do not require late dates.​

⭐ PART 3 — PRACTICAL EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS METHOD CHANGES TEXT ANALYSIS​

✔ Daniel​

• Linguistically possible for 6th century
• Culture fits Babylon/Persia
• Explicit authorial claims stand
• Prophecy allowed
• Manuscripts from 150 BC do NOT date composition
• Early Jewish canon accepts Daniel as ancient

✔ Isaiah​

• Isaiah is one book
• Later-sounding Hebrew can be scribal updating or dictated prophecy
• Prophecy of Cyrus is allowed
• Early Jewish tradition strongly supports unity
• No pseudepigrapha category to divide the text

✔ 1 Enoch​

• We accept the attribution to Enoch
• Later Hebrew/Aramaic forms = transmission
• Prophecy allowed
• Watchers story predates flood in narrative
• Qumran manuscripts reflect preservation, not date of origin

⭐ PART 4 — FINAL CHECKLIST (NO PSEUDEPIGRAPHA ALLOWED)​

✔ 1. Take internal authorship claims as genuine​

✔ 2. Examine language for transmission-era effects​

✔ 3. Identify cultural background (prophecy doesn’t change this)​

✔ 4. Interpret prophecy as prediction, not evidence of late date​

✔ 5. Treat early tradition as reliable​

✔ 6. Treat oldest manuscripts as minimum age​

✔ 7. Avoid all “forgery” or “fictional attribution” explanations​

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Judge orders immediate release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia from immigration detention​

Judge Paula Xinis said he has been detained "without lawful authority.”

U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis said in her order on Thursday that "since Abrego Garcia's wrongful detention in El Salvador, he has been re-detained, again without lawful authority."

Xinis said that the absence of a removal order prevents the government from removing Abrego Garcia from the U.S.

Judge Xinis, the judge in Abrego Garcia's immigration case, in August blocked the government from removing him from the United States until the habeas case challenging his removal was resolved in court.

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Love Fountain said:

Hello samaus123456789,

Jesus confirmed the order of the Hebrew Scriptures in the three sections of the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms(writings) that today is known as the Hebrew Bible or Hebrew Canon. It was ordered and arranged by God. God didn't leave anything out, He arranged exactly how He wants it, then man changed the order and has tried adding books written by men ever since beginning with what is known today as the Septuagint.

Why did you change the order that Jesus confirmed as the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms as Scripture?

Just like the disordering done in Alexandria, Egypt putting Psalms ahead of some of the Prophets bringing disorder to what God arranged and then trying to insert books written by men into the mix.



No, that is not true or correct, Jesus didn't ever refer to 1 Enoch as Scripture and 1 Enoch is not in His canon and is not Scripture.

The Sadducees in Matthew 22:24 quoted Deuteronomy 25:5 applying it in error and that is what Jesus referred and replied to in Matthew 22:29 telling them they err and didn't know Scriptures they were quoting from Deuteronomy incorrectly.

In Matthew 22:32 Jesus went on to quote Exodus 3:6 in his further response to them applying false doctrine to their misuse of Deuteronomy 25:5 and corrected them by referring to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all still being alive with God because God is not the God of the dead, He is the God of the living!

In your pursuit to falsely establish 1 Enoch to anything other than words of men you too make a similar error of incorrectly applying Jesus to quoting something He never quoted or even hinted at as being Scripture!







No again, complete nonsense and false doctrine that has been used to deceive people! Jude didn't quote a writing by Enoch. Lol

It is written

Jude 14-15
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam prophesied of these, SAYING, "Behold the LORD cometh with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

It is written what is quoted of Enoch is what he SAID not what he wrote, nice try though!

The word of God was passed down verbally at that time, not written and certainly Jude didn't quote a false uninspired written document called 1 Enoch written by men. You do err in believing this nonsense!

1 Enoch is not written like all the other biblical texts at all because it's not inspired or written by God!

Here is the correct order of the Hebrew Texts and what belongs as God ordered them in the following link and there's no other texts that belong.

Correct order of the Hebrew texts link

Blessings,
Love Fountain

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SabbathBlessings said:

Using AI as a replacement for prayerfully study of the Bible is dangerous because you can make it say almost anything. I have seen it give both sides of the argument, but if you ask it to go by "Bible only" not outside commentaries you tend to get better results, but if you do not know the Scriptures and are relying on AI, its not replacement for God's Truth which can only be found with careful and prayerful continuing study of God's Holy Word.

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BobRyan said:

.Conclusion

• 1 Corinthians 16:2 is not describing a Sunday worship gathering. It is Paul’s instruction for each believer to privately set aside money at home on the first day of the week, so that when he came, the collection would already be prepared.

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Q: is there a meeting described in 1 Cor 16 for week day 1
A: No

Q: So then it would be incorrect to list 1 Cor 16 as an example of gathering on the first day of the week for worship or to remember the resurrection

A: That’s correct — it would be incorrect to use 1 Corinthians 16:2 as an example of believers gathering for worship or to commemorate the resurrection on the first day of the week.

Why?

• The Greek wording “par’ heautō” (translated “lay by him in store”) means each person privately, by himself, at home.
• Paul’s instruction was about setting aside money individually so that when he arrived, the collection would already be prepared.
• There is no mention of a worship service, communal gathering, or resurrection remembrance in this passage.

• “Lay by him in store” — The Greek phrase (par’ heautō) literally means “by himself” or “at home.”
  • This suggests Paul was instructing each believer to set aside money privately, not to bring it to a public meeting.
• Purpose: Paul wanted the funds ready when he arrived, so there would be no need for hurried collections.
• Not a Worship Gathering: The verse does not describe a church service or communal worship on Sunday. It is about personal preparation for a future offering.
• Contrast with Acts 20:7: That passage does describe believers gathering on the first day of the week. But 1 Corinthians 16:2 is about individual action, not a meeting.

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• Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings:
  • Acts 13:42–44 — Gentiles asked Paul to preach again the next Sabbath.
  • Acts 16:13 — Paul went to a place of prayer on the Sabbath.
  • Acts 17:2 — Paul reasoned in the synagogue for three Sabbaths.
  • Acts 18:4 — Paul preached every Sabbath to Jews and Gentiles.
• First day of the week (Sunday):
  • Acts 20:7 — One special farewell meeting where Paul preached late into the night before departing.
  • 1 Corinthians 16:2 — Instruction for believers to set aside money privately at home on the first day, not a worship service.

• Only one recorded Sunday gathering (Acts 20:7): And it was a unique farewell occasion, not a regular weekly service.
• No text calls Sunday “the Lord’s Day”: The New Testament never equates the “first day of the week” with “the Lord’s Day.”
• No command to change the Sabbath: The Bible consistently identifies the Sabbath as the seventh day, and there is no passage that institutes Sunday as a weekly day of worship.
• Pattern of worship: The consistent pattern in Acts is Sabbath observance and preaching, even among Gentiles.