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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

Yes behold. Right out of the gate, the disinformation from your uncited source glares with blinding brilliance.


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One year after the gold confiscation in 1933, the value of gold was set at $35 per ounce following the Gold Reserve Act of 1934. This was an increase from the previous value of $20.67 per ounce at the time of the confiscation.

P.S.

There are 30 more paper contracts for ounces of silver, than there are ounces of silver.

Ooops! The price is still climbing; and the demand is higher than what is being mined. Aside from it being categorized as a strategic metal, what is being used to create the growing solar panel market is unrecoverable.


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JP Morgan will be in trouble when the silver run starts on all of those contracts that can't be fulfilled.

I'm sure it will all turn out to be OK though. They're too big to fail. The American tax payer will surely pay for their ponzi scheme with higher prices on basic necessities.


"Turn on the bubble machine!"
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Turning Point USA launches chapters at over 500 high schools in Texas, governor says

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Martin Luther King was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.”
- Charlie Kirk


Where was the moral outrage from our conservative counterparts when Kirk went out of his way to trash the reputation of the late Martin Luther King - who himself had been assassinated!


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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

I was simply pointing out that Peter and Jesus' teaches that God gives His Spirit to those who obey Him. You know this you say, but still teach a different gospel.

I think Jesus warned His People not to do such things.



This would be those who called Jesus Lord, Lord, and were "very much aware" of what Jesus and Peter taught, but lived by another gospel, Yes?




Here, let me show you the words of someone who claims they no longer need Him. "That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him."



Well it's for sure someone's "theology is riddled with inconsistencies".



There are lots of folks who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who claim to be the very elect. Paul warned that the Law and Prophets was written specifically for our admonition, the "our" here being those who "by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality". (Rom. 2:7)

He specifically pointed out who needs to take heed.

Wherefore let him that "thinketh he standeth" take heed lest he fall. (1 Cor. 10:1-12)

I don't believe Paul was "twisting Gods Word upside down" here, any more than I believe Peter was lying to us when HE told us who God gives His Holy Spirit to.

But clearly there are many "who come in Christ's Name" that imply in their theology that they did.



Again, you are promoting a religious philosophy taught to you by this world's religious system. If you were to actually read Paul's Words, and David's words that Paul quoted, you would find out who Paul and David were speaking to in this description.

If you were "Seeking the Righteousness of God", as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches, you would go to Psalms 5 and 14, and you would read Rom. 3 and see that Paul and David are speaking to those men who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them. Men that falsely accused Paul and the Body of Christ, "whose damnation is just". Men who "professed to know God, but were wicked, bloody and deceitful men". Men who God said, "who eat up my people as they eat bread", and "have shamed the counsel of the poor because the LORD is his refuge."

God can not be found in these people, rather, "God is in the generation of the righteous."

Your teaching that there isn't any difference between the children of the devil, and the Body of Christ is astounding, and yet this is a popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious system, "who calls Jesus Lord, Lord".

Paul asks the question, "What then? are we better than they?"

In other words, can I live by the same disobedience to God, engage in the same false accusations of others like the Pharisees, and not be judged the same by God? He answered, "No, in no wise: for we have "before proved" both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;"

And where did Paul "already Prove" this?

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every" soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to "every man" that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Paul didn't say, "We are all under sin". You say Paul and the Body of Christ are still under sin, but Paul didn't.



The preaching that God's Word teaches that Paul and the Body of Christ's "throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes" is an evil and wicked teaching. It is not true according to Paul's own words, David never promoting such wickedness, and the entire Bible exposes such a teaching as from below and not above.

Men don't "Seek God", as you don't by your own admission and neither did the Pharisees, for the same reason. Both have been convinced by "other voices" that they are all set, already heirs to the Kingdom of God, already the very elect, that "they shall surely not die". But the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same "shall be saved"."

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them that diligently seek him".

So yes, I diligently Seek Him every day.
I don't know what your motive is for rejecting what God has said, but I can only imagine it's because you don't like the awful truth so you feel the need to reject and twist it and make it say something different.

God said, "there are none who seek after Him", but you make God a li9ar when you claim that you seek after Him everyday. I told you that I'm not seeking Him because He has already found me.

The reason that nobody seeks after God is simple, ,I can tell you why from first hand experience. I was born exactly the same as everyone else, we are all born dead in sin, we are all born hating God, we are all born into slavery to Satan, He is everyone's Master, He keeps a firm grip on everyone so nobody can escape Him, no matter how hard they try.

How do you suppose a spiritually dead and blind God hater, who is enslaved by Satan can be seeking after God???. You are suggesting the impossible here. First of all you would need to resurrect yourself from the dead and then create a new nature for yourself, then you would need to give yourself a new spirit.

None of your claims are supported by any scripture, they are all based on your private opinion.
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Citizens are fed up with Dem-invited migrants that have disdain for US law and culture

Maybe he should focus on his own country’s history of slavery and conquest
The thing is I know my country has been godawful to most of the world.

I don’t try to hide it by mandating white washing in schools and the media.

I don’t try to claim that (for example) slave’s were treated like family member.
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Adam

1 Cor 15:45 says otherwise "So it is written: 'The first man Adam became a living being'; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit".
Descriptions of the antediluvian world are hard to comprehend even for people that have spent a lifetime of formal study on the topic. Ascribing history level precision to every line of Moses' poems isn't something high level Christian academics do. Just a few chapters later you have the "table of nations" where fathers and sons are representing large groups of people.

With a modern(or at the very least post classical) creationist interpretation there are obvious things that don't fit the literal timeline of the early genesis chapters. Noah's flood according to western Christianity falls into recorded history that's backed with archeology findings(whole cities and temples with writing founded by Pharoahs), synced with astronomical observations and carbon dated for good measure. There's just not a good way to assign fixed dates for antediluvian times in the bible.

My suspicion is the story of Adam is much older, people "toiled"(Genesis 3:17) for 1000s of years before the kept harvest records and hundreds more before harvest records became writing. There was historically a first person to work a field, this is who I ID as Adam. He would be the first man in a lot of people's eyes even if he wasn't physically the first. Mostly because of his works. Of the 8 billion or so people alive today only a handful, less than 10k people can truly say they are from a time before Adam and separated from Adam. The 7.99999 Bilion others live the life of Adam everyday in some form or another.
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An Un-asked For Street Debate In Greece

I want to be cautious in what I say since I am only going by impressions. Her preaching sounds like an echo of a corrupt strain that manifests itself in examples like Chic tracts or ( worse) Westboro Baptist expression. This strain seems to condemn any Christian ( Orthodox, Catholic, most Protestants) who would say ( for ex.) that the Lord wants us to give alms & pray ( Matthew 6:1-13) as “works based” salvation. It reads a chapter like Romans 5:1-24 in which the individual aspect of hope ( verses 2, 4, & 5) seems to be discarded and grace, faith & justification becomes like an entitlement. Any aspect of nuance in our relationship with God by Jesus Christ via the commandments ( Matthew 22:36-40), the golden rule ( Matthew 7:1-12), John 14:15-18 etc. is lost to some sense of self justification.
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Moira Deeming not a NAZI, John Pesutto is guilty of defaming her

I know I am going to step on a lot of toes by saying this. But as Christians are we not supposed to be subject to the ordinances of man. The whole COVID rebellion in my opinion makes Christians look bad in the eyes of the world and makes people mistrust Christians.

Rom 13:1-2 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
According to your statement, in atheistic China, all Christians should submit to the communist party. In Nazi Germany, all Christians should submit to the National Socialist party. Do they make any sense??

No.
So is the COVID rebellion necessarily bad? Not necessarily.
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

Nuclear weaponry most definitely

Zechariah 14:12

And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite the people that have fought against Jerusalem; their flesh still consume away while they stand on their feet, their eyes will consume away in their holes, and their tongues shall consume away in their mouths.

Sounds like the immediate effects of nuclear weaponry. And I noticed that some of the newer translations use the word rot, and there is a difference in rot and being consumed away while you stand on your feet, while standing on your feet means immediate action.
But it is the Lord Who is said in Zechariah 14:12. Are you saying that God "most definitely" uses nuclear weapons?
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Those Who Betray

“Judas then, having received the Roman cohort and officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, came there with lanterns and torches and weapons. So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and said to them, ‘Whom do you seek?’ They answered Him, ‘Jesus the Nazarene.’ He said to them, ‘I am He.’ And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them.” (John 18:3-5 NASB1995)

I am not intending today, in this writing, to go into the full story of Judas’ betrayal of Jesus, and of Jesus’ false arrest, his mock trial, his beatings, and his ultimate death on a cross to take away our sins and to give us the hope of eternal life with God. You can read all the details of that in the gospels, if you would like. For what I believe the Lord is leading me to do today is to look at the subject of betrayal in our world and in the church today, at the hands of those who are deliberately betraying both Christ and his followers.

So, I Googled a definition of what it means to betray someone, and I believe this covers the subject well. This is what Google’s AI rendered:

“To betray someone means to break their trust or loyalty through disloyal, harmful, or deceitful actions, such as revealing secrets, infidelity, or failing to offer support, which violates a presumed agreement or bond and causes emotional pain. It's essentially being treacherous to someone who relies on you, whether by actively harming them or by failing to uphold your promises and expectations.”

So, who are some of those who betray Jesus Christ and those of us who are followers of Christ today? Some (or many) of them are pastors of churches (or what are falsely called “churches”), while some (or many) others are politicians and government heads. Others are those who profess faith in Jesus Christ, who claim to know him as their Savior and Lord, but who betray both Christ and the body of Christ through lies, deceptions, disloyalty, infidelity, and false claims of living righteous and holy lives, pleasing to God.

When they want to make a good impression on someone of faith, they might put on a performance of godliness and holiness, as though they are living the life that God has designed for them to live, but while, in truth, they are living the opposite of that, in practice. They are like the Pharisees who put on a good show outwardly but while inwardly they are full of all kinds of evil and wicked deeds. For they want to be thought well of by those who don’t know the difference. But their performance does not match their actions.

But there is another way in which this betrayal is taking place in the world and in the church today, and it is deadly. And it is through people taking Scriptures out of context, and twisting them to say what they do not say if taught in the correct biblical context, and by them teaching a twisted and altered “gospel” message which makes no requirements of sinners to repent of (turn from) their sins to now follow Jesus in surrender to his will in walks of obedience to his commands, but while promising them life in heaven.

They are not only lying to the people, but they are betraying their trust by teaching them lies and while (willfully and deliberately, in many cases) they ignore the truth in the Scriptures which teach what they do not want to hear, and what they will not accept. Thus, many people are professing faith in Jesus Christ, believing that their sins are forgiven and heaven is their eternal destiny, but who never deny self, die to sin, or follow Jesus Christ in walks of obedience to his commands, living to please God with their lives.

And Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

So, we need to be discerning people who are not gullible and easily persuaded by others who call themselves “Christians” or “Pastors.” For not everyone is who they say they are, doing what they say they are doing, or not doing. Liars, and those who willfully deceive others, abound. And we should be students of the Scriptures who study them for ourselves, under the direction of the Holy Spirit, who do not rely on others to tell us the truth. For many teach lies, and many betray, and not all can be trusted.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Recording Via Gerry Peters, music producer and arranger


Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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Those Who Betray
An Original Work / December 11, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Kilauea Volcano is spectacular today.

Aftermath of Saturday's eruptive episode:



includes a mp of new tephra deposits.
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President Trump sets deadline for Ukrainian Peace

President Trump has issued a new deadline for President Zelensky to sign the U.S.-backed peace deal with Russia, giving him days, some say until Christmas Day to sign the agreement.
"US President Donald Trump's envoys have given Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a fresh deadline to respond to Washington's proposed peace plan, unnamed officials told the Financial Times. The officials said Zelenskyy has only "days" to reply, even as the Ukrainian leader insists he will not accept any deal that redraws Ukraine's borders." MSN

Trump also criticized the European Union's efforts in influencing what was a US plan in which they seem to be urging Zelensky to take a hard stand against giving up any territorial concessions to secure a peace agreement. It seems that the EU wants to 'trump' the Presidents peace negotiations and impose a more comprehensive security protection for Ukraine and piece-meal annexation such as the Sudetenland by Germany which was a cause of WWII. But much as they dont want such a capitulation on Ukraine, it seems that is the only path to peace, at least in Trumps view..

"US President Donald Trump has criticized European leaders as "weak" and suggested the US could scale back support for Ukraine.

In a wide-ranging interview with Politico, he said "decaying" European countries had failed to control migration or take decisive action to end Ukraine's war with Russia, accusing them of letting Kyiv fight "until they drop".

He argued that Russia held the "upper hand" and urged Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky to "play ball" by ceding territory to Moscow.

In the UK, Downing Street rejected Trump's claim that Europe had failed to act, citing the UK's leadership on sanctions and reiterating support for the US-led peace process."... MSN

But Zelensky seems to be digging in against any concessions on Ukrainian land..
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy declared that Ukraine will not give up any territory to Russia and said components of a plan to end the war between the countries are ready to be presented to the U.S.

"Russia is insisting that we give up territories, but we don't want to cede anything," Zelenskyy said in an online press conference Monday, the AFP news agency reported.

"We have no legal right to do so, under Ukrainian law, our constitution and international law. And we don't have any moral right either," Zelenskyy said after leaving London, where he met with the leaders of the United Kingdom, France and Germany.

Zelenskyy's remarks suggest he will not bend to pressure from Russian President Vladimir Putin or President Trump, whose negotiators had proposed Ukraine give up its eastern region of the Donbas – about 20% of the country's territory – as part of a plan to end Russia's war on Ukraine, according to a draft shared publicly by a Ukrainian opposition politician and confirmed by a White House official.... MSN

And even the Pope has weighed in on the situation...
"Pope Leo has hit out at President Donald Trump’s Russia-Ukraine peace proposal and has warned that the administration risks destroying the longstanding alliance between Europe and the United States. As Ukraine faces growing pressure from the U.S. to accept major territorial losses and other concessions as a trade-off for Russia to end its years-long incursion, the pope has weighed in with a stinging rebuke to America’s approach."... Pope Leo Takes Shocking Swipe at Trump Over Old Friends

Something has to give, and it looks like the EU allies and their backing of Ukraine's hardening stance..

DreamyLaLa's Art

I thought I'd blow the dust off this thread and post here again since it has been almost a year!:oops: To celebrate Christmas season, I thought I'd share a design of mine that was originally made for a calendar that I gave as a gift to my sister last Christmas. It features my two characters, Vanille and Lacage, wearing wintry outfits and holding a plum pudding cake. I drew the characters myself, but the background was designed using Canva, a graphic design program.
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This is so nice and colorful with pretty designs! :sparkles: I always love your art style! :3
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He Did What?

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Philippians 2:8 NLT
When he appeared in human form, he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross.

We have all had many times in our lives when we are surprised, whether in a good way or bad way, at something someone else does that we would never expect. We’ve often said, “She really did that?”, or maybe, “ He really said that?” When someone does something that is totally unexpected, it really leaves us in complete shock and we don’t know what to say or how to react. The situation can often leave us dumbfounded and with no words.

We all have often put so much energy and emotion into how we react and respond to these times in our lives. We have easily turned these times into gossip with others. We can’t believe what we’ve heard or seen and we want to tell others. It can become the talk of the group or the town. This could be very good or very bad.

This past Sunday, our pastor had a sermon talking about this chapter of Philippians and how Jesus came to do what He did and how unbelievable and amazing it actually was. What struck me was how our pastor said that we often do routine things at Christmas as we talk about how Jesus came into the world. And, in general, it’s often easy for us to become desensitized to all the emotion we should have at what Jesus did for us. It becomes commonplace and we totally miss the real emotion and meaning it should still hold for us.

I pulled up the NLT version and the phrase, “died a criminal’s death” completely captured my attention. Jesus did not belong on that Cross, we did. He went up there and died to save us all. He willingly gave it all to give us a future with Him. Nothing about what He did makes any sense. We deserved what He got. I don’t think I’ll ever read this passage the same again. He became nothing and died a criminal’s death for us. He wasn’t a criminal, but He definitely went through all the torture a criminal would experience.

I sure hope that we all experience the real emotion of what Jesus did for us. It should daily grip us in our hearts and we should take time to remember and be truly thankful. We should be in awe and be dumbfounded and say, “He did what?” Yes, He did that for you and for me? It should leave us speechless every single day. We should be filled with great emotion and awe for what He did for us. The world needs to see that raw emotion and gratefulness in our lives each day.

What Jesus did should leave us in complete awe every single day and we should be deeply thankful for the life He gives us.

AI Has No Soul — and Never Will

I've spent a lot of time conversing with ChatGPT. It's very human-like in a lot of ways, but is pretty clear so far that it's just a machine. And it definitely makes mistakes. It's good at mimicking having a personality, but it's clear that it doesn't really. I'd say the biggest danger is to those who are unstable or naive, not having an objective view of what AI is and getting swept up in having a relationship with it.
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The Music Thread: Millennial Edition

One of my favorite bands growing up was No Doubt. I had watched one of their music videos earlier this week - Simple Kind of Life.

I wasn't sure if I was able to post the video or not since there's a scene where Gwen Stefani is topless but has hair covering up her breasts. So I'll post the audio version of the song to be on the safe side.

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I like I’m just a girl, even though I’m not a girl
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