The "attitude problem" is an interpretation of what happened by one poster. Not saying the poster deliberately misrepresented anything, but attitudes are judgment calls. Not for armchair quarterbacking.You seem to have missed her attitude problem, which is infinitely more troubling than her poor taste.
Thanks for the birthday wishes, Brinny. And I hope to never have an error in judgment when you're around ;-).
I think "deliberate defiance" is a judgment call -- and we weren't there.LOL! Awwww c'mon, there's a difference between an error in judgment and a deliberate defiance that involves vulnerable young ones under one's care and protection and direction.
And you are most welcome.
I think "deliberate defiance" is a judgment call -- and we weren't there.
She did?Bad judgment from the gitgo with this youth leader, who reeked of disqualification and incompetence, and then chose a "thong" to come to a Church event, that had very clear directives about what to wear and not wear, and defied with an attitude any questioning about it?
This youth leader had already stepped over and trampled all kinds of boundaries, including trampling on these young girls and boys who looked up to her and "admired" her.
At this point it went beyond even this youth leader and came smack down to whoever was responsible for who put her in this position as youth leader.
This is just baaaad all the way around.
But mostly for the young boys and girls who were put aside, as all attention was revolving around this "youth leader".
The event was shot. It's the kids who were hung out to dry while this youth leader continued stealing their time, any fun this event might have been, and stealing all the attention away from these kids.
It was about these KIDS.
Not this youth leader.
She did?
Ruin the event.Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by:
"She did?"
Ruin the event.
I can't find any evidence in the OP that the event was ruined for the children. Only for those who took offense to the technically allowed but too revealing item of clothing.
i agree that this was not something that a qualified, competent youth leader would do. But i hold the elders responsible for not hiring a qualified, competent youth leader in the first place.The event was interrupted because of something that should not have been an issue, and that was this youth leader adhering to the dress code like everyone else, and then when confronted, was defiant about her blatant disregard of the dress code. This is not something a qualified, competent youth leader does.
Yeah, this little "drama" of defiance and incompetence would interrupt, and thus ruin, an event that should've gone smoothly for the kids if everyone was on board and in sync with something that should've never been at the event.
It was about the KIDS.
Not this "youth leader".
in re-reading the account of the episode in the OP i was struck by two things;
1. the fact that this youth leader had only been at the church for a very short time--literally a few months-- before the incident.
2. she apparently had no prior contact with the church before she was hired.
So even though she's been a Christian for 6 years, those 6 years must have been spent in a different environment that the one to which she was hired.
It also reminded me of the questions about the non-Jewish converts in the early days of the Church, and what those people were faced with...
did they have to become Jews before they could be Christians,
should they be circumsized,
what about abstaining from pork, etc.
between the two sides here, each one had a responsibility to the other, and both had a responsibility to the kids.
as a result of this incident both sides failed each other equally, and probably left the kids confused.
So the elders need to get their act together before hiring anyone else for the church and do a heck of a lot more research and a heck of a lot less assuming that they are clearly understood than they did in this case.
But ultimately the responsibility for the failure here lies at their feet beause they were the ones in the know and with the responsibility to safeguard their young ones, yet they themselves failed to exercize good judgement when choosing a youth leader.
So even though she's been a Christian for 6 years, those 6 years must have been spent in a different environment that the one to which she was hired.
So the elders need to get their act together before hiring anyone else for the church and do a heck of a lot more research and a heck of a lot less assuming that they are clearly understood than they did in this case.
i agree that this was not something that a qualified, competent youth leader would do. But i hold the elders responsible for not hiring a qualified, competent youth leader in the first place.
Assumption. She might have done it intentionally because she had her eye on one of the HS students.
Are you assuming that this church is an elder-lead?
The thought had crossed my mind.She might have done it intentionally because she had her eye on one of the HS students.
i am assuming that it is a Protestant church.Assumption. She might have done it intentionally because she had her eye on one of the HS students.
Are you assuming that this church is an elder-lead?
Can there be different types of leadership? As well as a chain of leadership?
I think it is a very good thing to have some women in a church who can provide spiritual counseling to young women,
i am assuming that it is a Protestant church.
as noted the OP is of a non-denominational faith, and those churches usually have either elders, deacons, trustees or an official board of some sort that has charge of the hiring.
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