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Your view on the holy grail?

So I just got done reading "The Da Vinci Code" and wow what an eye opener! If everything they say about the grail is true it would really mess things up in this world in terms of religion and faith.

What is your view on the holy grail? Is it just a plain old chalice or is it Jesus' blood line kept secret? Do you want them to find an unveil the grail to the world or keep it hidden for all of eternity?
 

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So I just got done reading "The Da Vinci Code" and wow what an eye opener! If everything they say about the grail is true it would really mess things up in this world in terms of religion and faith.

What is your view on the holy grail? Is it just a plain old chalice or is it Jesus' blood line kept secret? Do you want them to find an unveil the grail to the world or keep it hidden for all of eternity?


It’s nonsense, pure poppycock, made up by Biblically ignorant fools.

 
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It’s nonsense, pure poppycock, made up by Biblically ignorant fools.


Putting it bluntly I guess...

And how is it made up by "biblically ignorant fools"? There is nothing in the bible about whether Jesus did or did not have a bloodline. And what is the big deal if he did? Would that bloodline not be as holy as Jesus?
 
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Nowhere in the bible does it mention any article that Jesus handled as important.

If the grail exists today - we should honour the item by placing it in a cathedral somewhere but that is all.

It is other organisations which try to keep erect their tottering faith by displaying interest in ancient artefacts while neatly dodging the only son of God who wants to make an exciting difference in our lives

He should be our attention not things ancient or modern - otherwise do we make idols out of them ?
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The Holy Grail was a pretty good Indiana Jones movie.

The Da Vinci code is a good fiction book, like I've read it and enjoyed it, but it is just fiction. It isn't true, same with Angels and Demons, another great book.

I guess we Christians love to overreact to everything, even things we've never seen or read, case in point -> love wins by Rob Bell
 
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So I just got done reading "The Da Vinci Code" and wow what an eye opener! If everything they say about the grail is true it would really mess things up in this world in terms of religion and faith.

What is your view on the holy grail? Is it just a plain old chalice or is it Jesus' blood line kept secret? Do you want them to find an unveil the grail to the world or keep it hidden for all of eternity?

The holy grail refers to the cup Jesus used at His last supper. According to the grail legends of the middle ages it contained the actual blood of Christ, thus it was seen as a profound Eucharistic relic.

Keep in mind that relics were a big thing in the middle ages. A piece of the true cross, the bones of the Apostles, the skull of St. John the Baptist, a drop of milk from the Virgin Mary's breast, and so on and so forth. The grail, then, was a massive romantic legend about perhaps the most important relic of them all--the cup Jesus used at the last supper containing His actual blood.

However it was only ever just that, a romantic medieval legend.

Dan Brown, in his novel, plagiarized the earlier work Holy Blood, Holy Grail, which purports to describe the secret history where the grail actually refers to a blood line from Jesus and Mary Magdalene which passed into the Carolingian dynasty and so on and so forth. It was pure hokum. It became supremely popular recently through Dan Brown's novel.

If you were to use either books to try and pass a history test you'd get an F. There isn't a lick of credible history there. And from what I'm told by those who have read Brown's novel, the history is only slightly worse than the writing itself. I haven't read it personally, but I hear it's not a particularly good book.

For example, if I recall correctly, the book makes the claim that the Council of Nicea chose which books would be in the Bible. Well, that never happened. Also it makes Opus Dei, a Catholic lay order, into a militant monastic order--it's neither militant nor monastic, it's a lay order composed of ordinary people with ordinary lives with ordinary jobs. It also, if I recall, mentions a group called the Priori of Sion, which claims to be quite old; it's not, it goes back no further back than the 1950's. So on and so forth.

None of that would be problematic if it wasn't for the fact that, at least originally, Brown claimed the history contained in his novel was researched and factual. Without that claim, it would have likely remained under the radar and most people wouldn't have cared much--it'd have just been another novel. Unfortunately the claim to historical accuracy led to everyone and their mother who had an interest in history to have to go out and explain how, where, and why the book wasn't historically accurate.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Would that bloodline not be as holy as Jesus?

If Jesus had been married, it wouldn't be a big deal.

If Jesus had children, it wouldn't be a big deal.

If there were people around today descended from Jesus, it wouldn't make them holy or particularly special, no more than Jesus' family as mentioned in Scripture and Tradition. If Jesus had a child, that child wouldn't be divine. Jesus is Divine because He is the union of God and man in one person; the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

If Jesus fathered a child, that child would be a completely ordinary, sinful human being.

The chief problem with Jesus having a kid would be the temptation to elevate that kid to a possible divine status.

Having said all that, there is absolutely zero evidence that Jesus was married. There is nothing in Scripture, Christian Tradition, or even in heretical Gnostic literature to suggest Jesus was married. Not even the Gnostic texts say Jesus had been married.

The closest any Gnostic text gets to saying anything like that is that Mary was Jesus' most important companion. Which is a bit like saying Mary was Jesus' favorite disciple. Considering the general Gnostic teaching that the material world is evil, that sexuality is icky, and marriage worthless, well Gnosticism is probably the last place to look for a married Jesus.

There's even less evidence that Jesus had children.

There's therefore no reason to believe Jesus was married or had children; though theoretically if He had, it'd have almost zero impact on Christian theology.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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So I just got done reading "The Da Vinci Code" and wow what an eye opener! If everything they say about the grail is true it would really mess things up in this world in terms of religion and faith.

What is your view on the holy grail? Is it just a plain old chalice or is it Jesus' blood line kept secret? Do you want them to find an unveil the grail to the world or keep it hidden for all of eternity?

Poseidon, the DaVinci Code is riddled with factual errors--over a hundred of them that I identified myself--and that is just about the historical and scriptural material. The theory itself is impossible to either verify or dispose of because it is totally speculation. However, the inability of Dan Brown to present his thesis without making innumerable changes to actual facts says a lot about the credibility of his theory, I'd say.
 
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Poseidon, the DaVinci Code is riddled with factual errors--over a hundred of them that I identified myself--and that is just about the historical and scriptural material. The theory itself is impossible to either verify or dispose of because it is totally speculation. However, the inability of Dan Brown to present his thesis without making innumerable changes to actual facts says a lot about the credibility of his theory, I'd say.

And even then, it's not his theory. He just plagiarized the theory put forward in Holy Blood, Holy Grail; and then framed it into a mystery narrative.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The Da Vinci code is a good fiction book, like I've read it and enjoyed it, but it is just fiction.

Agreed. GREAT read, nearly impossible to put down, but it's fictional as the book's disclaimer clearly tells us (even if Dan Brown continues to try to pursude us otherwise). His disclaimer of his book's disclaimer is great for book and movie sales to be sure .. ;)

--David
 
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