Your View On The Beginning

[Ave Maria]

Which one do you believe?

 

[Ave Maria]

My beliefs are closest to Theistic Evolutionist.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

I believe in the young earth creation. For the fact that the Bible says death is the result of sin. If God used evoloution then death was in the world prior to sin, thus invalidating the Word.

I see no reason to be "intellectual" on this matter. The text indicates a 6 day creation period. For me theres no reason to deviate.

 

[Ave Maria]

I believe in the young earth creation. For the fact that the Bible says death is the result of sin. If God used evoloution then death was in the world prior to sin, thus invalidating the Word.

I see no reason to be "intellectual" on this matter. The text indicates a 6 day creation period. For me theres no reason to deviate.

Hey that's cool. But just a reminder that this is meant to be a fellowship thread and not a debate thread.

 

[Cright]

I believe in the young earth creation. For the fact that the Bible says death is the result of sin. If God used evoloution then death was in the world prior to sin, thus invalidating the Word.

I see no reason to be "intellectual" on this matter. The text indicates a 6 day creation period. For me theres no reason to deviate.

actually giving this "theory" food for thought, and saying, if the world was created less than 10000 yrs ago, and if, and if and if.. eventually led to the bible actually making more sence to me in the long run. The OT makes more sence to me if the 6 days are literal.. aside from that the debates from www.drdino.com make pretty good sence too.

Some (more recent) history showed me that until about 100-150 years ago most of the world believed in young earth too.. I watched a small video study on why people started changing their minds, and I realised that the reasons for it were not nearly as solid as I thought.

So most of my life I was an old earther, these days young earth.

 

[Ave Maria]

I always thought that Dr Dino wasn't a very good expert on creationism. I always thought that places like Answers in Genesis were more authoritative.

 

[Melbelle]

I guess I have never thought about it so I'll not vote lol cus I don't know what to vote for lol

 

[seebs]

Adam, we are told, lived hundreds of years after eating the fruit, even though God told him he would die in the day he ate it. I think the death which entered the world through sin is not related to what happens to the bodies of animals when they stop moving.

 

[DiscipleOfIAm]

I went with the "Gap Theory" because it definately explains a lot. I also agree that the "death" we are talking about is spiritual, not physical. The Gap Theory is argumentative and starts a lot of debates, especially between Baptists and Pentecostals. It was explained to me in a way that really made sense and was biblical and also the other views did not ake much sense.

Also, we are told that a day to God is 1,000 years to man. So, the 6 days that God created the Earth in, would have been 6,000 years to us humans. That basically does away with the Young Earth theory.

God Bless!

 

[DiscipleOfIAm]

I went with the "Gap Theory" because it definately explains a lot. I also agree that the "death" we are talking about is spiritual, not physical. The Gap Theory is argumentative and starts a lot of debates, especially between Baptists and Pentecostals. It was explained to me in a way that really made sense and was biblical and also the other views did not make much sense.

Also, we are told that a day to God is 1,000 years to man. So, the 6 days that God created the Earth in, would have been 6,000 years to us humans. That basically does away with the Young Earth theory.

God Bless!

 

[Cright]

I always thought that Dr Dino wasn't a very good expert on creationism. I always thought that places like Answers in Genesis were more authoritative.

I'll agree, I don't agree with all of his points, and some of them are even pointless... however the major debates he has posted are great and so far much more solid than any other theory I've studied.

There's a popular miscoception out there that he got his doctorate from a "buy a degree" thing, but he actually studied 8 years for it.. I think that's why he has rep for being un-authoritative.

 

[Truth and Reconciliation]

I'm an OEC believer, and here's why.

1. I believe in the authority of the traditional scriptures written in the original tongues. In Hebrew, the word for "day" used in Genesis meant "a day" or "an unspecified interval of time". The more specific word for the generic day is different than that used in Genesis. Because context and cultural factors are often lost in translation, the Vulgate translated it into "day", which is taken for the "24-hr" day in English.

2. There is one Truth, and He is God. The Scriptures are breathed by Truth, but not all truth is in Scripture. Science has proven truth, but since God created science, the truth of science falls under Truth. Science can thus never contradict God. OEC meshes in nicely with scientific theory for creation (not macroevolution). I'm not going to argue this, but you can find it online at many places. But, I.E. actinide metal radiodating is valid and it doesn't contradict OEC, if OEC is true.

3. Macroevolution contradicts Truth. In order for Darwin's speciation theory to work, the phylogeny tree for organism distribution - the "missing links" must light up like lightbulbs. So far we only have one "missing link" found in our 190 years of fossil history, and it's an organism that's still alive today. So what does that tell you??

4. Unlike microevolution, speciation/macroevolution cannot be proven in the laboratory. Sympatric, allopatric, and parapatric speciation are theories that cannot be proven. I.E. there's a species of sycamore in Spain and in the Americas that are both genetically similar and reproductively compatible.

5. The human genetic copies carried by Adam and Eve are 100% perfect; this explains the longevity of their descendents. The reproductive pattern is ideal - perfect Hardy-Weinberg situations. Mutant alleles were washed away and beneficial mutations are preserved, but genetic order is disrupted and perfection diverges. Then God spared only Noah's family from the Flood and we are descendents of Noah. By Noah's time, the reproductive pattern is no longer ideal Hardy-Weinberg, so mutations in the human genome went wild from inbreeding and longevity decreased significantly. Today we can trace human genealogies in several ways, but the most popular methods are y-chromosomal tracing, mitochondrial DNA,and ribosomal RNA. Tests have been conducted and they all lead to two different ancestors - one to Noah and the other to Adam and Eve by very insignificant deviations in time, as recorded by the genealogy trees in the Bible.

Pax Dei,

Vincent

 

[2Timothy2]

Old Earth, if we must apply labels. And that belief without any doubt.

 

[Tenorvoice]

God came out of no where, stood on a platform of nothing and created everything

 

[Canadian75]

Though I personally believe in Theistic evolution, I don't discount the possibility of any of the other theories. God could very well have created everything exactly as in Genesis, or it could have been true myth. In the end, the one thing we all agree on is that God did it by himself. How he did it is not THAT important.

 

[Ave Maria]

Well, I think I have changed. I now qualify myself as a Young Earth Creationist. It makes the most sense to me. Even the Bible says "and the morning and the evening were one day" or something to that effect. That and evolution just has so many problems.

 

[Gold Dragon]

aside from that the debates from www.drdino.com make pretty good sence too.

No offense to you Cright, but Dr. Dino is really only good for a small disturbed chuckle. Disturbed because so many well intentioned but uninformed people buy into his "science" and "logic".

 

[Gold Dragon]

Well, I think I have changed. I now qualify myself as a Young Earth Creationist. It makes the most sense to me. Even the Bible says "and the morning and the evening were one day" or something to that effect. That and evolution just has so many problems.

I'm concerned for you Holly. In the short time I've been on this forums, I've seen you flip-flop on so many issues so quickly in such radical ways that I can't take your word on anything.

I would suggest to you that you try to forget the issues like denomination, origins theology and controversial doctrines and the opinions of folks on message boards and try to focus on discovering Christ through reading the gospels and talking to other Christians in person about who Christ is, what he did for you. Experiencing Christ daily in your walk. Be rooted in Christ, not these ever changing positions that you will always get on message boards.

Praying for you.

 

[Heatherondo]

i look at the fact the earth is being messed up so rapidly and at the way we have developed so rapidly, it reassures me of a young earth.

 

[Ave Maria]

I'm concerned for you Holly. In the short time I've been on this forums, I've seen you flip-flop on so many issues so quickly in such radical ways that I can't take your word on anything.

I would suggest to you that you try to forget the issues like denomination, origins theology and controversial doctrines and the opinions of folks on message boards and try to focus on discovering Christ through reading the gospels and talking to other Christians in person about who Christ is, what he did for you. Experiencing Christ daily in your walk. Be rooted in Christ, not these ever changing positions that you will always get on message boards.

Praying for you.

I understand your concern but if you knew me, you'd know that I silently think about such things for quite some time before suddenly changing my opinion. Therefore, I don't just suddenly flip flop. They are actually thought out decisions most of the time. Thanks for your concern but I do feel it is unwarranted.