Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[the iconoclast]

You mistake elitism for incredulity.

Hey hey friend

Why is it incredulous that the God of Abraham created the Earth?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Gen 1:25 And God (Trinity) made the beast of the earth after His kind, (Jesus/temporary kind) and cattle...after Their kind, (Trinity-Eternal kind) and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after His kind: (Jesus/temporary kind) and God saw that it was good.

God the invisible Spirit made the beast of the Earth AND cattle after Their Eternal kind, which means that they will be in Heaven, but He didn't make the creeping things Jesus made eternal, thus keeping them out of Heaven, and God saw that it was perfect. He made eternal beasts and cattle but not bugs. God the Trinity always creates Eternally. Amen?

Aman, please explain why verse 24 says cattle should be "his kind" and verse 25 says cattle are "their kind". It's a very simple question which you are avoiding. I want to know why cattle are "their kind" when God said they should be "his kind". Stop dancing and give a straightforward answer.

 

[the iconoclast]

I'm just conveying my general experience on this forum. You can believe me or not, that is your choice. I don't care either way.

Hey hey pitabread

Well lacking any evidence to prove your claim, I will trust that you are speaking the truth.

What do you think about my conclusion ie to trust that you speak the truth based on limited evidence?

But I'm not about to comb through thousands of posts from the last few years just for the sake of examples of things I've seen throughout my time here.

So i will have to trust you? Is this position that you want from me valid ie to trust you? Why should i trust you?

My general experience is that creationists reject an objective basis for determining the validity of ideas and consequently tend to make up whatever reality they want.

Is this experience the same when you consider this creationist ie me?

Hence, why you see so many different forms of creationism being preached here, some of which directly contradict one another.

What does this mean when we consider the God of Abraham created the earth?

This also seems to be why you rarely if ever see creationists defending each others ideas.

Why should we defend each others views?

You do sometimes see them arguing with each other though.

I will teust that you speak the truth. What does that mean then when we consider if the earth was created by God?

Please consider the below article

Unthinkable: How can scientists disagree on basic ‘facts’?

What does this article mean for scientists and how does it effect the outcome?

I'm not asking you to defend or argue anything. I'm simply pointing out that you seem unfamiliar with what creationists are espousing on this forum.

And what does this mean for me and the question of if God created the earth?

I'm also not particular interested in educating you on what different creationists believe, since you can read their posts of your own volition.

Dont worry, i trust that you are educated on a certain amount of information relating to what some individual creationists believe and am not interested in educating me.

What did you hope from engaging me?

Cheers

 

[Kylie]

Sure I have but you seem to have trouble understanding. See if you can find any place in Scripture where Lord God "creates". Only God the Trinity creates.

Genesis 1:1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

It doesn't say the Trinity created the heaven and the Earth, it says God. Your attempt to claim that this refers to the trinity is totally without support.

Amen. ONLY those of flesh who have been born again Spiritually by God the Trinity can enter Heaven. Have you been born again?

Repeating your claims does not make them fact.

No but 3k years ago ONLY God could have written Genesis since He included recent discoveries of Science, which NO man could have known at the time. It's proof of God.

People 3000 years ago could easily have seen that water is required for life.

Then post your proof so that everyone can see where you refuted God's Holy Word. You cannot.

Already have done. Just because you can't recognise it doesn't mean it was never produced.

 

[the iconoclast]

It doesn't say the Trinity created the heaven and the Earth, it says God. Your attempt to claim that this refers to the trinity is totally without support.

Hey hey kylie

Im curious what do you think is meant by 'us'?

And God said, Let us make man in our image

 

[pitabread]

What did you hope from engaging me?

I originally asked if you agreed with Aman777's theological views/Biblical interpretation.

That was about it.

 

[pitabread]

It's probably because I'm in the creation-evolution forum. Perhaps you should look for a forum which more closely follows your thinking.

Huh? Again, seems like a complete non-sequitur of a response.

 

[the iconoclast]

I originally asked if you agreed with Aman777's theological views/Biblical interpretation.

That was about it.

Hey hey

You were trying to divide @Aman777 and i. You want to ridicule my brother and high five your friends.

Aman and i both believe that the God of Abraham created the universe. We are on the same side my dear

Cheers, looks like that is all you have

 

[46AND2]

Hey hey friend

Why is it incredulous that the God of Abraham created the Earth?

Why is it incredulous that the God of Lightning creates bolts of electricity in the sky?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Hey hey kylie

Im curious what do you think is meant by 'us'?

And God said, Let us make man in our image

Fairly simple, really. If you study the development of religion the pre-Hebrews were polytheists. There are several places where the bible refers to us/Elohim (a plural noun for gods). So the story is almost certainly based on an earlier iteration involving multiple gods.

 

[pitabread]

You were trying to divide @Aman777 and i.

That you would immediately jump to that conclusion suggests you already know you don't agree with their individual beliefs. So you've answered my question.

You want to ridicule my brother and high five your friends.

For someone so concerned with what people think of their fellow creationists, I find it odd that you claim to be unfamiliar with what they specifically believe and/or post on this forum. It's a contradiction.

 

[Speedwell]

Actually, there is a secret which unlocked the mysteries of the Bible for me. Genesis 1:1-Genesis 2:3 tells the complete History of God's 7 Day creation of the perfect Heaven. EVERY other verse in the Bible refers back to one of these 7 Days or Ages of the creation. The first 34 verses are an outline of ALL of the rest of the Bible.

We live today at Genesis 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam/mankind in His Image, which is Spiritually in Christ. God will NOT stop creating until Heaven is filled at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Then, God will rest or cease creating because His perfect Heaven will be finished or brought to perfection. Genesis 2:1

Just for you. That's what is interesting. have never met or heard of any other creationist who believes the things you do.

 

[inquiring mind]

To believe in Creation is to believe in God, and a maker of ‘all we know, see, and don’t see’ out of nothing (because how could anything exist on its own for no reason). I’m not sure I understand why there would even be substitute reasoning. What possible alternative impetus or process could bring about something out of nothing (nothing meaning nothing to even cause a big bang)? Forget about the evolution aspect for a moment – how could ‘we don’t know, we can’t imagine, or we don’t have a clue’ not point you toward God as the Creator being the only possibility? I’m just trying to understand what possible rationale would prevent that reasoning?

 

[pitabread]

(because how could anything exist on its own for no reason).

Why would would everything need a reason for existence?

how could ‘we don’t know, we can’t imagine, or we don’t have a clue’ not point you toward God as the Creator being the only possibility? I’m just trying to understand what possible rationale would prevent that reasoning?

Because that reasoning is just an appeal to ignorance: Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia

Some people are comfortable with "we don't know", while some others are not. I suspect relative Need for Closure (Closure (psychology) - Wikipedia) plays a role in this, which is why you see differing views among different people, particularly wh

 

[Speedwell]

To believe in Creation is to believe in God, and a maker of ‘all we know, see, and don’t see’ out of nothing (because how could anything exist on its own for no reason). I’m not sure I understand why there would even be substitute reasoning. What possible alternative impetus or process could bring about something out of nothing (nothing meaning nothing to even cause a big bang)? Forget about the evolution aspect for a moment – how could ‘we don’t know, we can’t imagine, or we don’t have a clue’ not point you toward God as the Creator being the only possibility? I’m just trying to understand what possible rationale would prevent that reasoning?

Assuming that the "Big Bang" represents something coming out of nothing--which is not what science claims. But it doesn't matter. Whether or not God exists is a separate question from how the universe has unfolded. The existence of God is an unfalsifiable proposition. Nothing that science has discovered, or potentially could discover, can disprove it. Consequently, you can accept scientific conclusions about the origin of the universe, or not. And you can believe in God, or not. But the two questions are not related.

 

[inquiring mind]

Why would would everything need a reason for existence?

What would be the point... if not?

Because that reasoning is just an appeal to ignorance: Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia

But, isn't this succumbing to ignorance... why doesn't the ignorance suggest there is more? It does in every other aspect of science.

 

[inquiring mind]

Assuming that the "Big Bang" represents something coming out of nothing--which is not what science claims. But it doesn't matter. Whether or not God exists is a separate question from how the universe has unfolded. The existence of God is an unfalsifiable proposition. Nothing that science has discovered, or potentially could discover, can disprove it. Consequently, you can accept scientific conclusions about the origin of the universe, or not. And you can believe in God, or not. But the two questions are not related.

I understand that... I'm just wondering why an inquisitive mind would stop at 'there is no scientific answer?'

 

[Speedwell]

What would be the point... if not?

That would be up to you to decide. It's not a science question.

But, isn't this succumbing to ignorance... why doesn't the ignorance suggest there is more? It does in every other aspect of science.

It does, and scientists are investigating as best they can.

 

[Speedwell]

I understand that... I'm just wondering why an inquisitive mind would stop at 'there is no scientific answer?'

Who said inquisitive minds were stopping? There is no answer now as to what, if anything, happened before the big bang. That doesn't mean nobody is looking into it.

 

[inquiring mind]

That would be up to you to decide. It's not a science question.

Maybe... but as a human being, isn't a reason implied if nothing else?

It does, and scientists are investigating as best they can.

But, when would you step out of a revolving door?