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DogmaHunter

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If you say so, but then you sure spent a lot of time trying to defend the impact theory.... If you say so.....
I don't think I "defended" anything.
I just asked about the others that were mentioned.

It's not upto me to "defend" scientific theories.
See unlike some other people, I tend to stay a bit quite on things I don't know much about.
 
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I don't think I "defended" anything.
I just asked about the others that were mentioned.

It's not upto me to "defend" scientific theories.
See unlike some other people, I tend to stay a bit quite on things I don't know much about.
If you say so....
 
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Ability to enjoy music, put there by God, its an spiritual experience, for your brain is only noise, how exactly we need music enjoyment ability to survive? explain why 'animals' need music to survive? and how the brain developed it or maybe we have a soul/spirit?
 
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Ability to enjoy music, put there by God, its an spiritual experience, for your brain is only noise, how exactly we need music enjoyment ability to survive? explain why 'animals' need music to survive? and how the brain developed it or maybe we have a soul/spirit?
Music appreciation was probably a by product of other survival-important traits like pattern recognition, etc.

Generic brain power probably enabled lots of fun not-survival-important traits that we appreciate, alongside the reproduction-success traits that drove its development.
 
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Music appreciation was probably a by product of other survival-important traits like pattern recognition, etc.

Generic brain power probably enabled lots of fun not-survival-important traits that we appreciate, alongside the reproduction-success traits that drove its development.
Either that, or evolution and music are both under the guidance of the muses today.

In fact, Lucifer was assigned to earth and in charge of music.

He may have played at Adam & Eve's wedding.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
 
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Either that, or evolution and music are both under the guidance of the muses today.

In fact, Lucifer was assigned to earth and in charge of music.

He may have played at Adam & Eve's wedding.

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
I would bet King David could dance circles around that guy.......

2 Samuel 6
12 And it is declared to king David, saying, ‘Jehovah hath blessed the house of Obed-Edom, and all that he hath, because of the ark of God;’ and David goeth and bringeth up the ark of God from the house of Obed-Edom to the city of David with joy. 13 And it cometh to pass, when those bearing the ark of Jehovah have stepped six steps, that he sacrificeth an ox and a fatling. 14 And David is dancing with all strength before Jehovah, and David is girded with a linen ephod, 15 and David and all the house of Israel are bringing up the ark of Jehovah with shouting, and with the voice of a trumpet,
16 and it hath come to pass, the ark of Jehovah hath come in to the city of David, and Michal daughter of Saul, hath looked through the window, and seeth king David moving and dancing before Jehovah, and despiseth him in her heart.


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Now evolution takes music as social capability into account?

Much in the same way language evolved in a social context. Did you bother to read the article linked to?

very 'advanced designing' by evolution.

Evolution does not 'design', but it does produce improvements - via a randomised, iterative process of selection - that give the appearance of design.

What was invented first our ability to enjoy music or music?

Neither.
Our ability to enjoy music wasn't invented, it's a byproduct of other features of our cognitive faculties.
Likewise, music wasn't invented. It was gradually discovered the certain sounds, and certain arrangements of those sounds, were more pleasing than others. Artificially producing music is one of the older human behaviours we know about - we have good evidence that humans have been making musical instruments for more than 40,000 years.

Like I said, did you read the article?
 
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Much in the same way language evolved in a social context. Did you bother to read the article linked to?



Evolution does not 'design', but it does produce improvements - via a randomised, iterative process of selection - that give the appearance of design.



Neither.
Our ability to enjoy music wasn't invented, it's a byproduct of other features of our cognitive faculties.
Likewise, music wasn't invented. It was gradually discovered the certain sounds, and certain arrangements of those sounds, were more pleasing than others. Artificially producing music is one of the older human behaviours we know about - we have good evidence that humans have been making musical instruments for more than 40,000 years.

Like I said, did you read the article?

About evolving capabilities, what has zero intelligence cannot produce intelligence, conciusness. Death and reproduction is not that powerful.
 
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About evolving capabilities, what has zero intelligence cannot produce intelligence, conciusness. Death and reproduction is not that powerful.
Why?

Intelligence is pretty clearly partially a genetic trait that can be selected for. Just look at the variety of dog breeds, and that's just in human history.

It's completely reasonable and consistent with the evidence that ancient upright savannah primates would have benifited from their already high intelligence improving. So why couldn't the smartest of the bunch do a little better on average?
 
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Common sense, a zero ability proccess can't produce something a lot greater, look at computers for example.

”Common sense” is just another way to write ”what I think”; it has no value in a debate.

Support your position with data and reasoning or it is irrelevant.
 
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”Common sense” is just another way to write ”what I think”; it has no value in a debate.

Support your position with data and reasoning or it is irrelevant.

Look at computers and see if by adding random bits to something you improve it, add functionality, discard errors, and perfect it.
 
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Common sense, a zero ability proccess can't produce something a lot greater, look at computers for example.

An appeal to common sense is a fantastic invitation to arrive at an incorrect conclusion.

Common sense would have told you that lightning bolts in the sky were being thrown by an angry god.

Common sense would have told you that earthquakes were caused by some invisible, powerful, angry god.

Common sense would have told you that if you drop something the weight of a feather and something the weight of a mountain of the top of a building, that the heavier item would hit first.

Common sense would have told you that if you treated a head cold by buttering your left big-toe three times a day for seven days, that buttering your left big-toe three times a day for seven days cures a common cold.

Your computer analogy makes no sense, common or otherwise. Bog-standard computers aren't intelligent, but they produce results that exceed our capabilities.

If you are trying for the "intelligence can only come from intelligence" nonsense, then save yourself the embarrassment and stop. It's a great sound bite but it falls apart the moment you actually think about it critically.

According to that line of reason, you'd need something more powerful than a universe-creating god to produce a universe-creating god. But, of course, that's different. Why? Well, it's only common sense that a universe-creating god doesn't need creating because it's always existed and it's so much more convenient when the special case assuages that pesky cognitive dissonance.

Yeah. Whatever.

That's just special pleading pretending to be some deep philosophical "truth" - aka a blatant double-standard. Or maybe it's just common sense in the same way that electrostatic repulsion is the non-obvious, non-common sense reason why you can't put your hand through something solid. Or, indeed, be in physical contact with that surface.
 
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An appeal to common sense is a fantastic invitation to arrive at an incorrect conclusion.

Common sense would have told you that lightning bolts in the sky were being thrown by an angry god.

Common sense would have told you that earthquakes were caused by some invisible, powerful, angry god.

Common sense would have told you that if you drop something the weight of a feather and something the weight of a mountain of the top of a building, that the heavier item would hit first.

Common sense would have told you that if you treated a head cold by buttering your left big-toe three times a day for seven days, that buttering your left big-toe three times a day for seven days cures a common cold.

Your computer analogy makes no sense, common or otherwise. Bog-standard computers aren't intelligent, but they produce results that exceed our capabilities.

If you are trying for the "intelligence can only come from intelligence" nonsense, then save yourself the embarrassment and stop. It's a great sound bite but it falls apart the moment you actually think about it critically.

According to that line of reason, you'd need something more powerful than a universe-creating god to produce a universe-creating god. But, of course, that's different. Why? Well, it's only common sense that a universe-creating god doesn't need creating because it's always existed and it's so much more convenient when the special case assuages that pesky cognitive dissonance.

Yeah. Whatever.

That's just special pleading pretending to be some deep philosophical "truth" - aka a blatant double-standard. Or maybe it's just common sense in the same way that electrostatic repulsion is the non-obvious, non-common sense reason why you can't put your hand through something solid. Or, indeed, be in physical contact with that surface.

Its not that complicated. And computer that produce something are programmed to do so and the results can be between certain parameters. Evolution do not have an 'engine' to produce something.
 
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