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for you maybe - my standards of evidence aren't that low.
Just to say, ty for the thoughts. I believe in evolution personally, but think its corroborated (ie has evidence and passes strict tests, but is not therefore irrefutable "true")... I would have been 100% evolutionist, excepting for my faith, which conflicts with evolutionary theory (Adam and Eve etc.) - yet I think I am more up to date now that I would have been in the philosophy department, just because I would have been more sure than possibly I ought, given the tendency for paradigm shifts and revolutions in science.Oh, I see. Well, I guess you have a point there if you consider necessary/basal assumptions in a process as presuppositions. The difference I see though is that these "presuppositions" as used in science and the scientific method are in turn validated by their use in a way that isn't possible with a presupposition of a creator deity in any context you choose otherwise. Is there any presuppositions like this in science?
Well, Science doesn't interpret data, let alone assume anything on it - people do that. I disagree with you on not being able to prove/disprove scientific realism though, it can be demonstrated, and that demonstration is the evidence (though not absolute proof) of its validity. We make the same basal assumptions for syllogistic logic in philosophy, and I would imagine you accept that as being effective, no? The data from most scientific experiments are generally freely available so you can interpret the raw data yourself if you understand what you're looking at. The method used to acquire that data is what you seem to have issues with - and again, the basal assumptions used in the scientific method, are validated by their use in the same way syllogistic logic is validated by its use - are they not? We benefit from the practical applications of science all the time so I'd assume you would agree with that - but correct me if I'm mistaken.
Right, Wheeler's PAP isn't a scientific theory, nor is it considered in the scientific method as practiced so not sure why you think this is some sort of issue for science - the scientific method when applied to a problem generally produces meaningful and practically applicable results we can use. The "billions of years" are one such result borne out of the data from such scientific pursuits irrespective of such ideas as Wheeler's PAP, but instead is built on a well-established line of concordant foundational results that came before it. That's not to say it's infallible, but that the method (and any assumptions that came with it) have been extensively validated and is therefore most likely concordant with reality. If we come about information that upsets this paradigm, then the theories and data that came from them are revisited and/or refined to be more accurate. In some extreme cases, a theory might be discarded and/or replaced with a better theory.
In all this talk, it seems you have a problem with reality - do you not agree that we share this one and only reality we experience? Do you not agree that we can know things about it? Are you a solipsist?
Well, I haven't read up on McFadden's "Quantum Evolution" and don't intend to anytime soon, so I'll have to take it under advisement, I'm certainly not at the pointy end of that field...
well Sure, it continues to give us practical useable results all the time, so why not?
False, since you are ignoring the Fact that Neanderthal had a larger brain case (which is all that's left) than today's Humans.
Neanderthals are humans whose bones were altered.If you are saying that no full Neanderthal skeletons have been found, then that is false. In fact, over 400 skeletons are known, several of them almost complete.
McFadden's ideas about the possibility of specific quantum influences on abiogenesis, evolution, and consciousness, have been shown to be either completely mistaken (e.g. trying to apply unitary wavefunction dynamics to entire cells), or vastly more improbable than the ideas he's trying to better (e.g. the application of the 'inverse quantum Zeno effect' to the creation of self-replicating peptides).If I understood him right McFadden (See book Quantum Evolution) thought that evolution may have a quantum component and its possible that the emergence of life collapsed the wave of the universe. And its apparent historicity before that point was a result of the inverse quantum Zeno effect, but again it was a difficult read so don't take my word.
I'm doing none of the sort. We are all literally Apes.Trumpian Blasphemy. He likes to call African Americans "Apes" in order to debase them. The followers of Darwin, the Racist, are the same.
I'm not sure that's the case - I recently read a study that concluded Neanderthals had as much, if not more intelligence than we did.False, since you are ignoring the Fact that Neanderthal had a larger brain case (which is all that's left) than today's Humans. Ignoring other scientific facts in order to distort the Truth is typical of godless evols. Today's science apologists claim it's because Humans have more brain-folds than Neanderthal. A bad excuse is better than none, they preach to little children in elementary School as FACT.
with completely specific DNA that could only happened if they were actually a divergent species of hominid and not Homo Sapien.Neanderthals are humans whose bones were altered.
Lucky guess of course.... even if your fringe interpretations were right (and of course, we have already given very good demonstrations on why you aren't right). The Earth's surface is literally two thirds covered in water. Even an uneducated guess would have better odds supposing Life began in water.Let's test your standards. Which person, more than 3k years ago, told us that "every living creature that moveth" was CREATED and Brought forth from WATER? something which was announced by Science on July 25, 2016? Lucky guess? or proof of God, UNLESS you can explain which I don't think you can. Amen?
God can make onlies take a hike.with completely specific DNA that could only happened if they were actually a divergent species of hominid and not Homo Sapien.
Oh, of Course! a Trickster God!God can make onlies take a hike.
Well, as you know, Science doesn't offer irrefutable "Proof" or 100% certainty in anything anyway, so there's always going to be that element of corroboration in any scientific research - but with evolution, it's the only game in town as far as scientific explanations go. It literally has mountains of evidence and has no competition in the science arena. I've often thought that were there a Creator of the Universe, then Evolution had to be how he created us, and Adam and Eve were the intellectually capable "First Humans" that the Qur'an/Bible/Torah speaks of in Genesis.Just to say, ty for the thoughts. I believe in evolution personally, but think its corroborated (ie has evidence and passes strict tests, but is not therefore irrefutable "true")... I would have been 100% evolutionist, excepting for my faith, which conflicts with evolutionary theory (Adam and Eve etc.) - yet I think I am more up to date now that I would have been in the philosophy department, just because I would have been more sure than possibly I ought, given the tendency for paradigm shifts and revolutions in science.
One sad thing though, this kind of focus means that this board doesnt discuss much actual hard science. Or even questions like is evolution gene based, organism based or ecosystem based which I know little about.
If you are saying that no full Neanderthal skeletons have been found, then that is false. In fact, over 400 skeletons are known, several of them almost complete.
I'm doing none of the sort. We are all literally Apes.
it just goes to show that having higher intelligence isn't the only thing required to be successful in the evolutionary arms race... we had it over them in social skills, though we did get some neanderthal DNA - perhaps that's the injection of higher intelligence you keep inappropriately attributing to Adam? because we can see where that Neanderthal DNA happened in our genomic history no problem.
If you are saying that no full Neanderthal skeletons have been found, then that is false. In fact, over 400 skeletons are known, several of them almost complete.
Elephants are intellectual, so are dolphins and whales... and Neanderthals too, as it turns out.Amen, according to the godless people who don't know the difference between animals and Humans (descendants of Adam) FYI, it's intellectually.
At least we have all the evidence to support our allegedly "false" assumptions. What would be worse is having no evidence to support your apparently correct position - so much so that an average person would start questioning the dearth of evidence for their own position while having to fend off enormous quantities of evidence that disproves your position.... so tell me, what does that feel like Aman?Trumpers and Liars can always find something which supports their false assumptions. Neanderthals were NOT Humans but instead, were innocent creatures because they didn't know the difference between good and evil. Only God and Adam's descendants have this ability. Genesis 3:22
We can be right for the wrong reasons - but that's nothing a little education can't fix - provided you're willing & up to it, of course...Thanks for confirming my view. God Bless you
Amen. Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
God hid His scientific Truth in Genesis and it totally frustrates the godless.
Elephants are intellectual, so are dolphins and whales... and Neanderthals too, as it turns out.
At least we have all the evidence to support our allegedly "false" assumptions. What would be worse is having no evidence to support your apparently correct position - so much so that an average person would start questioning the dearth of evidence for their own position while having to fend off enormous quantities of evidence that disproves your position.... so tell me, what does that feel like Aman?
Possibly, there might've been a neanderthal named Adam, how would I know? Doubt that an Adam was the common ancestor to all humans though - our genetics don't indicate a sole male parent.Did any of them descend from Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans? NO, since NONE of them have the ability to know both good and evil, which means that they cannot reason, plan, nor create, like God. Genesis 3:22
I'll accept the findings of Science because it consistently gives us usable, practical results we can employ to improve our circumstances.It does no good at all IF you put your Faith in the changeable ideas of mortal man. In order to understand God's Truth, you MUST find the agreement of Scripture with Science and History. Anything less is only a half truth. ie. ToE
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