Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[Speedwell]

Actually ID'ers have made an excellent textbook that is far better then anything currently in highschool and teaches real science. But how bout teaching kids that there is an alternative idea at least that. Or what about teaching kids that there are conflicts and conflicting data and all of the past hoaxes and false starts in evolutionary theory? Or how about teaching them that there are hundreds of scientists that are bailing. Their jumping off the boat like there is a zombie plague on board lol. Its fun to watch. Hey I jumped off too bro ... its better over here. Be on the winning team. Like I said in my first post on this forum the science isn't on the side of atheism. That's why I left and that's why hundreds of scientists are leaving. It is what it is.

What textbook?

 

[tas8831]

Actually ID'ers have made an excellent textbook that is far better then anything currently in highschool and teaches real science.

The name of this amazing textbook?

Let me guess - 'Of Pandas and People'? The creationist textbook with some word changes to make it look like an ID textbook?

But how bout teaching kids that there is an alternative idea at least that.

An alternative premised 100% on rejecting evolution due to religious beliefs? An alternative whose "science" consists entirely of red herrings, "Yeah, but..", and 'they don't have all the answers'?

Or what about teaching kids that there are conflicts and conflicting data and all of the past hoaxes and false starts in evolutionary theory?

Oh gracious - DO TELL!

What conflicts did you have in mind? Like between OEC and YEC?

Hoaxes like the Jammal Ark hoax? Do they teach that in your church?

Or how about teaching them that there are hundreds of scientists that are bailing.

You keep writing this as if it means anything - creationists are bailing from something they were brainwashed to reject in the first place?

Does this list of scientists contain the names of people whose areas of science are irrelevant to evolution? The list that includes lawyers, psychologists, nutritionists, physicians, and a forest ranger as 'scientists'? Or the guy who thinks water has memory? What an impressive list!

So sure - tell them about the list, then tell them that it is a scam.

Their jumping off the boat like there is a zombie plague on board lol. Its fun to watch. Hey I jumped off too bro ... its better over here.

You are now pretending to be a scientist, bro?

What scientist claims the things you do?

What scientist thinks a list of names means anything? What scientist thinks paraphrasing and plagiarizing dubious sources has merit? I mean besides 'creation scientists'...

Be on the winning team. Like I said in my first post on this forum the science isn't on the side of atheism. That's why I left and that's why hundreds of scientists are leaving. It is what it is.

You say lots of things that seem to have no basis in reality.

Like pretty much every creationist.

 

[inquiring mind]

The only thing I get from your posts is that you’re trying to make the fact that you’re not literate in science mean that we should believe unverified religious stories as if they are a verified history

I was trying to limit the vast amount of time and some of the science fiction to after the dinosaurs, but your answer is to project even further back in time and dazzle us with talk of upright worms and “the chance” that they marched (or slithered) along the evolutionary scale “with accidental changes” in DNA to eventually becoming humans, as though that idea should make a difference in a person’s belief regarding God being in or out of the picture of our existence… please? I would suggest you examine your own science literacy in regard to verification of stories, and open yourself up at least to the possibility that a linear progression of "time and chance only" along the road to becoming human may not be the only answer, and that God is involved in a grand way.

 

[tas8831]

I was trying to limit the vast amount of time and some of the science fiction to after the dinosaurs, but your answer is to project even further back in time and dazzle us with talk of upright worms and “the chance” that they marched (or slithered) along the evolutionary scale “with accidental changes” in DNA to eventually becoming humans, as though that idea should make a difference in a person’s belief regarding God being in or out of the picture of our existence… please? I would suggest you examine your own science literacy in regard to verification of stories, and open yourself up at least to the possibility that a linear progression of "time and chance only" along the road to becoming human may not be the only answer, and that God is involved in a grand way.

Great - so provide some real evidence.

 

[VirOptimus]

I was trying to limit the vast amount of time and some of the science fiction to after the dinosaurs, but your answer is to project even further back in time and dazzle us with talk of upright worms and “the chance” that they marched (or slithered) along the evolutionary scale “with accidental changes” in DNA to eventually becoming humans, as though that idea should make a difference in a person’s belief regarding God being in or out of the picture of our existence… please? I would suggest you examine your own science literacy in regard to verification of stories, and open yourself up at least to the possibility that a linear progression of "time and chance only" along the road to becoming human may not be the only answer, and that God is involved in a grand way.

Invoking magic in a science debate is an auto-loss.

 

[inquiring mind]

Great - so provide some real evidence.

But I'm not allowed to use "chance."

 

[inquiring mind]

Invoking magic in a science debate is an auto-loss.

Like a worm that learns to walk.

 

[VirOptimus]

Like a worm that learns to walk.

Firstly, its you who talks about walking worms, noone else. Secondly, its you who inserted magic (god(s)).

 

[inquiring mind]

Firstly, its you who talks about walking worms, noone else. Secondly, its you who inserted magic (god(s)).

You might want to look at post # 910

 

[Speedwell]

You might want to look at post # 910

You understand, I hope, that the changes Brightmoon was talking about took place over many tens of thousands of generation? And not by "chance" or "accident" but by the interaction of random variation and natural selection.

 

[VirOptimus]

You might want to look at post # 910

I did, maybe you should also?

My point(s) stand.

 

[Brightmoon]

Here’s your “worms” that became other organisms! As you can see even starfish and humans share a common ancestry. And this was well understood by the beginning of the 20th century . Remember that these lineages can be independently confirmed thru genetics, developmental biology, and paleontology

 

[xianghua]

When I said bunnies in the Precambrian i specifically did not mean an out of place fossil . I meant having a rabbit species that lived and died during the Precambrian. This would falsify evolution

what? but if such a rabbit existed in the precambrian (and also died there) it will only leave fossils. so we only need to find a fossil of rabbit from the precambrian. but as we both now see: such a fossil will not be a problem for evolution. therefore evolution cant be falsify.

 

[tas8831]

what? but if such a rabbit existed in the precambrian (and also died there) it will only leave fossils. so we only need to find a fossil of rabbit from the precambrian. but as we both now see: such a fossil will not be a problem for evolution. therefore evolution cant be falsify.

You make less sense every day.

 

[xianghua]

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Here’s your “worms” that became other organisms!

like this one?:

(image from Davies Finance explains Commercial Vehicle Finance)

 

[Brightmoon]

starfish tunicates and mammals are close relatives. Deuterostomes . Adult organisms sometimes have body plans that do not look alike but the juveniles do resemble each other . Early human fetuses ( before limb formation) and starfish juveniles do look like tunicate juveniles

 

[Brightmoon]

Those vehicles are not an evolutionary lineage that’s just a small parking lot.

 

[xianghua]

It resembles things that are made by human beings, such as lampshades, frisbees and hats,and it doesn't resemble any sort of flying animal. Therefore I conclude that it was designed and made by humans.

thanks. and flagellum also resembles something that are made by humans (such as spinning motor) as you can see here:

so according to this criteria the flagellum is also the result of design.

(image from Flagellar Motor Intelligent Design - impremedia.net)

 

[Brightmoon]

Fossil rabbit species in the Precambrian would completely falsify evolution as it would mean that our understanding of geological stratification and the geographical distribution of organisms would be completely wrong

 

[Brightmoon]

ID is a way to shoehorn unverifiable religious beliefs into science. Design doesn’t have a scientific meaning