Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[46AND2]

We are so fortunate to have you on this thread. In your view, please tell us what His and Their means. I can hardly wait.

You don't have to wait....you can just go do a search for when it was explained to you before. But here you go (again):

Genesis 1:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Their refers back to 1. Great whales, and 2. every living creature that moveth.

His refers back to every winged fowl.

 

[Aman777]

What scientific support is there for this again? Oh wait there isn't any. So much for agreement between the Bible and science.

You're the one that keeps claiming that the Bible and science agree, yet this a perfect example where that isn't the case. There is no scientific support for what you claimed in the above post.

Which goes back to your modus operandi; you claim stuff agrees until it doesn't, then you make stuff up.

Your claim that science, the Bible, etc, all agree is clearly false. False witness, a violation of your god's commandments. Something to think about.

Where do you think the singularity we call the Big Bang came from? Stars don't just poof into being, you know? We know how they begin. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Surely 7 days and 13.8 billion years are close enough?

False since the 7th Day/Age is Eternity. You know, forever?

 

[Aman777]

You don't have to wait....you can just go do a search for when it was explained to you before. But here you go (again):

Genesis 1:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Their refers back to 1. Great whales, and 2. every living creature that moveth.

His refers back to every winged fowl.

God is telling us that whales and every other "living" creature was created by God the Trinity on the 5th Day. Genesis 1:21 Remember that Humans were made the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7 "Living" kinds will NEVER die or be separated from God.

His kinds, are the kinds made by the Hands of Jesus Genesis 2:4-7 from the contaminated ground of the Earth. It was contaminated with Death/darkness when it was brought into the physical world. Genesis 1:2 His kinds are subject to death unless they are born again by God the Trinity.

 

[46AND2]

God is telling us that whales and every other "living" creature was created by God the Trinity on the 5th Day. Genesis 1:21 Remember that Humans were made the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7 "Living" kinds will NEVER die or be separated from God.

His kinds, are the kinds made by the Hands of Jesus Genesis 2:4-7 from the contaminated ground of the Earth. It was contaminated with Death/darkness when it was brought into the physical world. Genesis 1:2 His kinds are subject to death unless they are born again by God the Trinity.

That has to be the most extreme example of eisegesis I have ever seen.

 

[pitabread]

Sure it does. Finding a bone with a hole in it, is recognized as a "flute" only by the most naive among us.

Properly spaced holes that produce musical frequencies however is.

Look, I fully recognize why you need to hand-wave away discoveries like musical instruments: it doesn't fit your personal beliefs about the history of the Earth and the origins of what you have decided are "modern humans". But it also speaks to the fact that your claims about science and your interpretation of the Bible being in agreement is a load of bull-doody.

When science runs contrary to your interpretation of the Bible you either hand-wave away the contradictions or invent some fan fiction to try to reconcile it.

You're just a typical creationist.

 

[pitabread]

Where do you think the singularity we call the Big Bang came from? Stars don't just poof into being, you know? We know how they begin. Amen?

Huh? This in no way addresses anything I wrote in my post.

 

[JackRT]

God is telling us that whales and every other "living" creature was created by God the Trinity on the 5th Day. Genesis 1:21 Remember that Humans were made the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7

You must keep in mind that we are looking at two different creation stories here. The earliest is Genesis 2ff and was written about 950BC by someone in King Solomon's court. Some 400 years later Genesis 1 was written probably by a Jewish priest in the Exile. They are quite different stories. In the earliest "God" is designated as "Elohim" while in the later version it is "Yah". The Bible has three other creation stories.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

False since the 7th Day/Age is Eternity. You know, forever?

My mistake - I thought it was supposed to be taken literally...

 

[Bungle_Bear]

God the Trinity creates only 3 times in Genesis and it's always an eternal creation, destined for Heaven. Lord God (YHWH or Jesus) creates temporarily and the kind Jesus made with His own Hands is subject to death. Lord God made Adam. Genesis 2:4-7

That's not in agreement with science, so you refute yourself. Again.

Because there are some misguided comedians who don't know that storks and herons have "her" kind or the kind mothers always have. Storks and Herons have her kind, but that doesn't mean what you wish it would mean. Neither are Creators in Genesis one.

According to Genesis 1:21 winged fowl as his kind. Are herons and storks not winged fowl? Or are you just floundering because your argument falls apart the moment you have to deal with what the bible actually says, rather than what you need it to say?

So far, all you have offered, has been soundly refuted. Try again?

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Much as I enjoy your comedic interludes, I don't think it's time for you to give up the day job just yet.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I was simply showing that a "miles wide" Biosphere could be in the Northern portion of the Lake since it is 8-10 miles wide. Whether of not it was filled with water doesn't matter. Does it?

You claim Adam's "Biosphere" arrived during a flood, but also say it doesn't matter if the place it arrived was dry and remained dry for the next 1500 years?

Sure. Adam's entire flat Earth had only 4 Rivers. Texas has almost 4k Rivers. Mathematically, this means that Adam's Earth was .001 the size of the State of Texas.

Texas actually has 15 rivers, so using that math we have Adam's earth at 0.25 x 696000km2 = 174000km2 = 47 times the size of Lake Van.

Refuted again.

 

[Aman777]

That has to be the most extreme example of eisegesis I have ever seen.

What is even better is that my view agrees in every way with every discovery of Science, History, Genetics and Math. Those who try to refute God's Truth learn that rather quickly. It's really embarrassing when you see them realizing that it really is the Truth in every way.

 

[46AND2]

What is even better is that my view agrees in every way with every discovery of Science, History, Genetics and Math. Those who try to refute God's Truth learn that rather quickly. It's really embarrassing when you see them realizing that it really is the Truth in every way.

Are we supposed to be embarrassed yet, or are you holding out? Cause so far your views don't even agree with common reading comprehension, let alone all those other things.

 

[Aman777]

Properly spaced holes that produce musical frequencies however is.

Look, I fully recognize why you need to hand-wave away discoveries like musical instruments: it doesn't fit your personal beliefs about the history of the Earth and the origins of what you have decided are "modern humans". But it also speaks to the fact that your claims about science and your interpretation of the Bible being in agreement is a load of bull-doody.

When science runs contrary to your interpretation of the Bible you either hand-wave away the contradictions or invent some fan fiction to try to reconcile it.

You're just a typical creationist.

I'll have you know that I played the Flutephone in the fourth grade. I was so good, I got to hold the sign showing the name of my music teacher. It was downtown in a big Auditorium, so I know what I'm talking about. Be ashamed of comparing a fine instrument like the Flutephone to a hole in a bone.

 

[Aman777]

Huh? This in no way addresses anything I wrote in my post.

Sure it does since I was speaking of the first 2 Days/Ages (9 Billion years in man's time) of the creation BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4 I was telling you WHERE the singularity came from which filled our Cosmos with physical matter. Hint: From the first Stars, which lit up on the 4th Day/Age. Genesis 1:16 Amen?

 

[Aman777]

You must keep in mind that we are looking at two different creation stories here. The earliest is Genesis 2ff and was written about 950BC by someone in King Solomon's court. Some 400 years later Genesis 1 was written probably by a Jewish priest in the Exile. They are quite different stories. In the earliest "God" is designated as "Elohim" while in the later version it is "Yah". The Bible has three other creation stories.

Elohim is a PLURAL name of God the Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
YHWH/Jesus is the SINGULAR name of the only Son of God which means that He is the One Physical God. The KJV calls Him, Lord God.

Since the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, is the Author of All of the Bible, and is NOT bound by the movement of the Stars in our world, Time has no meaning for Him. His task in the Creation is to provide a perfect account of it. You can find it in it's entirety in Genesis Chapter 1.

 

[Aman777]

My mistake - I thought it was supposed to be taken literally...

It's as literal as you can get. It happens at the end of the present 6th Day/Age which cannot end for at least another thousand years in the future. The 7th Day/Age is the Age of Joy where there will be no death. If you make it, you will find that there are NO funeral parlors there since death has already been destroyed. 1Co 15:26

 

[Aman777]

That's not in agreement with science, so you refute yourself. Again.

Sure it is. Chromosome 2 fusion shows an older archaic group marry and producing children with a younger group causes this fusion.
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The introduction of Adam's genes and Cro-Magnon genes produced today's Humans, with the Chromosome 2 fusion in all of them. Science and Scripture agree IF you have the correct interpretation which you do not.

According to Genesis 1:21 winged fowl as his kind. Are herons and storks not winged fowl? Or are you just floundering because your argument falls apart the moment you have to deal with what the bible actually says, rather than what you need it to say?

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God the Trinity created Whales Eternally, and every LIVING creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly after THEIR kind and every winged fowl after HIS kind or the kind Jesus made and Adam named. Genesis 2:19

Their kind or the kind made eternally by the Trinity are destined for Heaven.
His kind are the temporary kinds, like mankind, who are subject to eternal death.
In order to become a LIVING creature created by God the Trinity and gain immortality, one MUST be born again Spiritually by God the Trinity.

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Much as I enjoy your comedic interludes, I don't think it's time for you to give up the day job just yet.

This is my day job. I'm storing up treasure in Heaven. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Are we supposed to be embarrassed yet, or are you holding out? Cause so far your views don't even agree with common reading comprehension, let alone all those other things.

Be more specific that I might refute your view.

 

[Aman777]

You claim Adam's "Biosphere" arrived during a flood, but also say it doesn't matter if the place it arrived was dry and remained dry for the next 1500 years?


Texas actually has 15 rivers, so using that math we have Adam's earth at 0.25 x 696000km2 = 174000km2 = 47 times the size of Lake Van.

Refuted again.

I agree that you have refuted yourself again. Read this and weep:

Wiki:>>Across the state, there are 3,700 named streams and 15 major rivers accounting for over 80,000 mi (130,000 km) of waterways.

As I posted, Texas has almost 4k streams, which ALL the Rivers on Adam's world were. You don't have large deep Rivers on a flat world. Amen?