may i ask in what manner you find it painful ?
the flesh will always war against the Spirit ,, but it need not be such a burden
the Lord Jesus said .."my burden is light " ..
pull your attention to loving God .. ..when two masters pull you in opposing ways .. do not spend all your time with your face to the one you say you don't want ..
Rather, turn your back and bow in love to the lord Jesus .. He is your victory ..Trust him to do in you what we have never been able to do ourselves
My experiences around them haven't been good either. My wife and I managed an apartment complex for a few years. She allowed her son and his "boyfriend" to move from Arkansas to Colorado and to rent an apartment. They borrowed more than a $1000.00 from me to get here with the promise that they would pay me back. They were supposed to get jobs but they spent most of their time bumming money and doing drugs. They fought with each other like cats and dogs and when they weren't fighting with each other they were sneering or arguing with the neighbors. We finally kicked them out and they ended up back in Arkansas. They only paid me about $200.00 of the money they owed me.
I'm not saying that all homosexuals are like that but their godlessness showed through in bright colors.
Matthew 24:10-16
At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understand 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
It is impossible for a Bible believing God fearing Jesus worshiping Christian to tolerate, support, or argue on behalf of homosexuality.
Period!
Those who do are no longer Christians. They're apostates. The Bible doesn't change because homosexual pressure groups demand morality be rescinded so their abnormal behavior can gain lawful rights.
Christians are not of this world. When they conform their beliefs to be in keeping with deviant moral sin that exists in this world, they're an abomination before God.
No Christian can be in favor of 'gay rights'. (i.e. the Homosexual Agenda)
You either believe the Bible or you don't.
Homosexuals are abnormal in their sinful immoral sex act. The rectum is not an entrance. It's an exist for filth.
"Animals do it..." is an argument I've heard Christians make when they defend homosexuality as a natural sex act.
It does no good service to argue that because what it's saying is homosexual sex is OK because in the commission thereof they're just acting like the lowly animals that are beneath the human consciousness.
It's a sin.
Show me in the Bible where there is one scripture wherein Jesus said, sin is to be tolerated, given legal rights, and special protections.
I believe the Bible's view on homosexulity. But I also believe that Christ came to save the lost. I personally believe that God wants to save many homosexuals. Jesus defended sinners. He did not say their sin was OK, he just said that he came for sinners and that many of them will enter the kingdom of God before those who think they're righteous. You criticize homosexuals, but you were just like us at one time. The Bible says that if you break one law you are guilty of breaking them all. Read James 2. It also says that mercy triumphs over judgement. God said somewhere in Psalms that he takes delight in showing sinners mercy, and in Eziekiel he says he takes no pleasure in the death of wicked people. Now, the Bible does say that homosexuality is an abomination to God. But in Proverbs it also says that arrogance was also an abomination to God as well. We all deserve death. We all deserve hell. I do pray that God in his wonderful mercy will turn homosexuals to himself through Jesus Christ our Lord, so that they don't perish.
I think that's a very good worldly PC argument for setting aside scripture and what it says as to how to be a Christian.I don't believe we as Christians should be judging who is or is not a Christian. We are to rely on the Lord, not our own presumptions and feeling on the matter. What one Christian professes, we may rebuke in our way, but we should also recognize the sovereignty of the Lord in the determination someones salvation or beliefs.
Well that just shot the pro-life activist Christians all to heck."Christians are not of this world" and yet so many seem to think that Christian morals should make up the laws of this world. Should we not therefore remove ourselves from the lawmaking of the fallen world and focus on God? Let the sinners sin, the lawless remain lawless.
Only if you fail to realize this thread is narrow in it's scope when it addresses homosexuality.Not all gay men commit "that" sexual act. Nor are all those that do commit such an act homosexual. This argument is far too narrow to make any impact, frankly.
Nor do I. But if I had $100. every time someone did I would be able to donate more money to charity thanks to them.I agree, it does no good. I can't understand for the life of me why people make it.
You are misunderstanding that passage in Mark 12:13-19.It is indeed sin.
But Jesus said to render unto Ceasar what is Caesar's and God what is God's. Are not the laws the same? Should we place a stumbling block squarely before a group of sinners, when they are (by your own definition of Christians and salvation) not of the Lord? Is this not casting pearls before swine?
So by the highlighted part of your statement then you're saying you are a homosexual?
The Bible is very clear about unrepentant sin. Which is what sexually active homosexuals are committing.
1 John 3:8-9 ESV
8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
It is not arrogance and pride as you claim, to uphold scripture.
Those who call themselves Christian while being sexually active homosexuals are committing an abomination. Just as scripture says. And it is righteous and Biblical that they be called out and rebuked for it.
1 Timothy 5:20 (NLT)
Those who sin should be reprimanded in front of the whole church; this will serve as a strong warning to others.
There is not a single scripture where the Lord promises the arrogant prideful unrepentant sinner, homosexual or otherwise, will be forgiven.
Galatians 6:7
..."Truly I tell you, the tax collector and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you." Matthew 21:31
No, I am not a practicing homosexual. I have gay desires, and I believe they came from sin. God in his wonderful mercy saved me. I agree with everything you just said. I HAVE NEVER HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH A MAN IN MY LIFE. I am getting prayer from my church, for I know that this is not the lifestyle God has planned for me. And I didn't say that upholding scripture was arrogance. Read some of my other posts, I do not defend homosexuality, I am against it. My point was is that homosexuality is not the only thing that is an abomination to God, which was stupid because arrogance wasn't being discussed on this thread. I agree with a lot you just said, but there is no reason to preach to me, for I have turned from my sins. Now, I know you are talking about Christians who are gay, not talking about the non-Christians. I was talking about the non-Christians. People who professed to be Christians and are living in sin should be reprimanded, I agree.
Lilly Owl said:You didn't say this in your prior post?
"But in Proverbs it also says that arrogance was also an abomination to God as well."
We are talking about unrepentant homosexuals in this thread. Of course homosexuality is not the only sin. For purposes of this thread discussion we are discussing in a Christian forum, the sin of sodomy.
Christians who commit the sin of homosexual sex must be rebuked of course. However, Jesus came to save the world from sin. And he commanded his apostles to go forth and deliver his good news about sin and how it can be repented and the sinner redeemed.
And yes you were talking about the sinners. You said this:
"Christians are not of this world" and yet so many seem to think that Christian morals should make up the laws of this world. Should we not therefore remove ourselves from the lawmaking of the fallen world and focus on God? Let the sinners sin, the lawless remain lawless."
So what do you mean by that? Let the sinners sin and the lawless remain lawless?
We were once sinners but we were saved. Now that we're redeemed and in the grace of God are we to let the sinners sin and the lawless remain damned?
Where would we be if someone had thought that of us? The sinners sinning and the lawless let to remain lawless.
You didn't say this in your prior post?
"But in Proverbs it also says that arrogance was also an abomination to God as well."
We are talking about unrepentant homosexuals in this thread. Of course homosexuality is not the only sin. For purposes of this thread discussion we are discussing in a Christian forum, the sin of sodomy.
Christians who commit the sin of homosexual sex must be rebuked of course. However, Jesus came to save the world from sin. And he commanded his apostles to go forth and deliver his good news about sin and how it can be repented and the sinner redeemed.
And yes you were talking about the sinners. You said this:
"Christians are not of this world" and yet so many seem to think that Christian morals should make up the laws of this world. Should we not therefore remove ourselves from the lawmaking of the fallen world and focus on God? Let the sinners sin, the lawless remain lawless."
So what do you mean by that? Let the sinners sin and the lawless remain lawless?
We were once sinners but we were saved. Now that we're redeemed and in the grace of God are we to let the sinners sin and the lawless remain damned?
Where would we be if someone had thought that of us? The sinners sinning and the lawless let to remain lawless.
They're sinners too if they're unrepentant. And their sex act is also abnormal.What about female homosexuals?
No apology necessary. I appreciate your time.I want to apologize for the misuderstanding.
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