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Its quite simple.GodSaves said:What about in other area's of the Bible, it seems evolutionists vary there as well too, while creationists vary very little?
First we would have to establish the purpose of the Holy Spirit. Then you will need to establish what is meant by "allowing".GodSaves said:Do you think the Holy SPirit is open to allowing Christians believe most parts of the Bible in anyway they wish?
This is a very relevant issue here. It was the same exact view held when Martin Luther broke away from the Church. He was also blamed for preaching that one needs to stick with what is written in the Bible and not add teachings to them. Many cited Martin Luther as man of little faith during the Reformation. This was because he went against the popular teachings and focused on the teachings of the Bible.Ben_Hur said:I am envisioning a river of christians/people. In the middle of the river is a dam that did not used to be there, but has built-up only recently. The dam is YEC'ism. On the upstream side of the dam are YEC'ers. Most of them believe that there is no way around the dam and the dam is the end of their origins studies.
On the downstream side of the dam are other christians that have made it over or through the dam seeking truth. As they traveled over, some were damaged. Some remained unscathed. Some were "killed." The ones who made it unscathed had deep faith. The damaged ones, less so and were discouraged when they learned of the truth of God's creation and how it didn't fit with the YEC interpretation of origins. The "killed" ones had even less faith, and lost it when they could not reconcile the truth of God's creation with their former YEC interpretations.
Had the dam not been there, all would have made it smoothly down the river.
Well, first, we have seen that not all literalists DO believe the same. Among literalists, you have those who adhere to a strict Young Earth Creationism, insisting that the Scripture requires that the earth can not be more than 6,000 years old. Others, even among the YEC's say no, it can be as old as 10,000 years old. Other YEC's say that actual age of the earth is not an issue, just that it was all created in six literal days. Other literalists are Old Earth Creationists, either GAP theorists or Progressive Creationists.GodSaves said:We are talking about YEC and TE's, not a branch that encompasses those two. So if we can stick with TE's and YEC's please, it would be appreciated.
So why is it that TE's hold variously different views, from origins to Abraham, from Moses to Christ, and even Paul. There is such a great difference held by TE's in all these area's. In these area's there is hardly any difference in beliefs by YEC's. Why is this, if we are all lead by the Holy Spirit?
This is to assume that old earth understanding is NOT found in the Bible which would be incorrect.GodSaves said:Also, because there are ones who are standing for Biblical truth and Biblical teachings that are found only in the Bible doesn't mean they are the ones who are ruining Christianity.
Are you saying that the scientific facts which point towards an old earth are a "veil?"GodSaves said:It is only ruining it if one believes that truths need a veil so all can be accepted. Amorality.
Oops. I got mixed up about what thread I was on. Sorry. But about man evolving from apes, I'm not completely up on my evolution, but I don't even think evolutionists believe that. I thought it was just that we had a common ancestor - which was NOT an ape. I could be wrong.GodSaves said:I am not addressing an old earth. I am addressing man evolving from a prehistoric ape. There are no accounts of this in the Bible. The Bible speaks of a different account then this.
That is a bit of a generalization, don't you think, that those that believe that evolution is a valid theory and has merit and a place in God's truth, also think that there is no right or wrong reading of the Bible?GodSaves said:To have a view that there is no right or wrong reading of the Bible is to believe in amorality. This is the veil over the truth that I am speaking of.
I think it's because creationists are of a strain of Christianity that regularizes and admits no variation of interpretation from an accepted standard. This brand of theology went from sola scriptura (only Scripture) to solum interpretatio nostrum scripturae (only our interpretation of Scripture). I truly wish everything were as clear-cut as your ilk demand that it must be for it to be inspired.GodSaves said:As many have seen on this forum theistic evolutionists vary greatly in their beliefs in Christianity. Creationist's beliefs vary very little. We all think we are being guided by the Holy Spirit. So, if we are all being guided by the Holy Spirit why do you think the beliefs of those who believe in evolution are very different than another who believes in evolution? Why do you think creationist's beliefs vary very little compared to another creationist?
I don't think anyone has said that creationists are not led by the Holy Spirit. When any two Christians who seek the Spirit's guidance come to different conclusions on matters of interpretation or doctrine, one of two things can be happening:GodSaves said:So as you stated creationists are obviously not being lead by the Holy Spirit. Are TE's then? If so then explain why there is a great variance of beliefs from Genesis through Revelations, even concerning Christ Himself.
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