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Marriage was almost always arranged until something happened recently and people began getting freedom and letting it get to their head. I would leave the decision up to you, but keep this in mind. Just don't divorce if you go though with it.
 
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TriZz

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Crazy Liz said:
There are (rare) times when God may call someone to break the law - especially an unjust law - to do what is right. So I somewhat disagree with Caelum. The idea that one would not be called on to do something courageous because "it is not your fault" that another person is in a certain situation is not a good argument, IMHO. It does not settle the question. God calls us to be compassionate. I think people who harbored runaway slaves in America or Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe were breaking the law responsibly. I think of how Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrestled with the ethical question of whether it was right for him, as a German citizen, to join the plot to overthrow Hitler.

I am convinced there are times when it is ethically responsible for Christians to break the law.

However, when I read this thread, what I saw was a person who did not understand he was being asked to do something illegal. There are loopholes and there are "loopholes." This one is very clearly illegal. If the mariage is not entered into in good faith with the intent to live as husband and wife, but ratehr just for the purpose of immigration, it is fraudulent. It is called a "sham marriage," and the immigrant spouse can be deported and not allowed to re-enter the US. The non-immigrant spouse can go to prison, but this rarely happens in the case of a one-time thing to help a friend, but rather it is the people who organize immigrant marriage pipelines who do go to prison. It is important to know this is illegal. Talk to an immigration lawyer about it.

OTOH, having compassion and acting compassionately is a good thing, so I can understand why TriZz feels drawn to the idea of doing a good thing for a stranger.

Here's what I would say: If you really want to marry this woman and be a real husband to her, and have compassion on her and bring her to the US, I can't say that God would never call a person to do that. I have a hard time thinking, though, that God would call you to enter into a sham marriage.

OTOH, did anybody read the book or see the movie Shadowlands?

One more question for TriZz: The picture you posted shows a young man (you, I presume) with his arms around a young lady (your girlfriend, I presume).
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You used the "love" icon
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to describe your feelings.

How does your relationship with this woman you know fit in with your dilemma about marrying a woman you don't know?

I can't help thinking there's something wrong with this picture. :scratch: :confused:
Yes, the young man in the picture is me...the young lady is who I tend to feel romantic about. We are not together, but have strong feelings for each other. We just feel that now is not the right time...that is a different thread though...hehe

At any rate...I agree with all of you and have decided not to do it. I knew something didn't sit right with me about it and I talked to some people from my church and they told me why. It was more about the sacred institution of marriage rather than the law.

The justification that I was applying to this situation is a skill I developed from years of drinking and drugging...I believe someone mentioned the dangerousness of rationalization, and I agree. That's why I told my grandmother that I'm going to let God decide on this one...

I appreciate all of your comments and suggestions and opinions...I think it's really great how someone can struggle and people come together like this. A bit like a family that I never had...

Thanx again,
 
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kbean

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TriZz said:
...It sounds like a nice free trip to Vietnam for me...and a family reunion for her.
Really. I get an impression it is convenient for you to make light of this marriage...a free trip for you sounds great?
And what if she won't sign the divorce papers when it comes to it? And will you be having sex with her and still not considering her your real wife? If so, then that's an intentional sexual sin.
I really think you know the answer to this, and I don't think you have to search your heart very deep at all to know all the wrongs you will be commiting. They do not make up for this 'right' you think you are doing by helping to get her here. Many good points made by others on this post.
 
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TriZz

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Uh...yeah, this was settled a while ago. I decided against it, and thanked everyone for their input.

I would not have had sex with her because I wouldn't be in love with her. She wouldn't even be living here for most of the time. And when she did get here, the arrangement was to be that we would live out the time seperately, like we weren't married...however, sex wasn't the concern...it was more of the sacredy* of marriage.

I appreciate the concern and comments...however, bashing me for having a genuine question...considering the input from others and making the right decision is unnecessary.
 
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Wow...I would say no, a big no. You are right, marraige is a sacred thing. That's the way it should stay. I wouldn't marry this girl. But you really need to spend a lot of time in prayer over it, because as much as you would like us to be, we are not prophets here speaking to God for you. Pray much and keep asking God until you feel sure in your spirit over the subject.
 
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One thing that many of the posters here are overlooking is this: Marriage can be sacred even with a person whom someone else has chosen for you. Love is not about getting, but about giving. Marriage fails only when one or both parties fail to give to each other.
 
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