Catherineanne
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The Word of God is Christ himself. The Bible was not in the beginning with God.
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If the word is from God, it is part of God. He cannot lie. This is news?
In the beginning was the word and the word.... was God...all things were made by Him..
It wasn't?The Word of God is Christ himself. The Bible was not in the beginning with God.
I don't read that as, will be settled; I read that as, is settled.Psalm 119:89 said:For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
It wasn't?
Do we have a new name written down in Heaven --- right now?
What are you on, AV? Whatever it is, you seriously need to cut down.
There's a new name written down in glory,
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
And the white robed angels sing the story,
"A sinner has come home."
For there's a new name written down in glory,
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
With my sins forgiven I am bound for Heaven,
Never more to roam.
--- Music and Lyrics by C. Austin Miles
Oh, now you want to hide behind the OP, instead of addressing my point?No.
The Holy Trinity does not comprise God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Scriptures.Do we have a new name written down in Heaven --- right now?What are you on, AV? Whatever it is, you seriously need to cut down.
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
And the white robed angels sing the story,
"A sinner has come home."
For there's a new name written down in glory,
And it's mine, O yes, it's mine!
With my sins forgiven I am bound for Heaven,
Never more to roam.
--- Music and Lyrics by C. Austin MilesCan you kindly indicate the relevance of this burst of song to the OP?It is doubtless entertaining, but seems somewhat lacking in substantive content in relation to Scriptural exegesis.
Oh, now you want to hide behind the OP, instead of addressing my point?
Fair enough --- I'll withdraw the question.
The Torah was written so that Hebrew goat-herders could understand it. Soldiers too... were you under the impression that soldiers were smarter or more worldly??Ah, so goat herders were the target audience. Not sheep herders, musicians, warriors, slaves, Hebrews, or etc etc? Ok.
Can you prove all the begets were direct?? Can you??? Can you??? No? Too Bad. (dad logic)In the order given, however, the years can be added up. Not rocket science. Adam begat someone. Seth, for example. Can you show us before the flood where the dad that begat was actually the great grand dad? No? Aw...too bad.
What CAN you do?
I am actually under the impression that the dumb folks can understand it better than most smart ones!The Torah was written so that Hebrew goat-herders could understand it. Soldiers too... were you under the impression that soldiers were smarter or more worldly??
Can you prove all the begets were direct?? Can you??? Can you??? No? Too Bad. (dad logic)
False. My awareness of the limits of science come also from science, not just the bible.Why don't you answer the question I asked AVET. Your whole non PO past state model is based on your own interpretation of scripture. Is your interpretation of scripture inerrant?
If the Bible were inerrant and sufficient, no interpretation would be needed. Anyone adopting a Sola Scriptura position who then attempts to interpret 'properly' for the rest of us, only succeeds in demonstrating the inconsistency of their own position.
I find many interpreters are really seeking to bend His word to their agenda, and hammer it into fitting.
Meanwhile, Sola Scriptura constitutes an extra Biblical demand forced on people by Luther. Who incidentally set himself up as an authority above Scripture by editing whole books out of the existing Bible and changing the wording of others.
If you want to call this a strawman, then go ahead.
Meanwhile, more straw men!
1 - Luther was the sole person responsible the reformation
2 - Luther alone devised sola scriptura
3 - Luther alone decided upon the canon
4 - Sola scriptura is 'forced' upon anybody let alone the 'church'
Any more while you're at it?
Ouch! Quite an indictment of your own holy book!I am actually under the impression that the dumb folks can understand it better than most smart ones!
Sure. All of them. The further you go back in Genesis, the more mythical the characters become... as they become less and less familar to the writers and their time.Most are not in question, such as Adam begetting Seth. One way to quickly defeat your position, is to focus on the pre flood. Are there any begats there at all that you think are questionable as to the dad son relation?
Nonsense. Your Non-PO fantasy world has no basis in science whatsoever.False. My awareness of the limits of science come also from science, not just the bible.
More nonsense. Most requires some interpretation as it is mostly a narrative account.Not all scripture needs any interpretation. Producing some when it isn't needed is what muddies the waters.
But how do you interpret these ancient stories... figurative or historical? That is a big part of the need for interpretation. And why even among creationists there is little agreement on details.I do not need to interpret the waters coming down and killing life on earth. Or the garden. Of the things that do require some interpreting, no one is infallible. But there are educated, well reasoned, and supported cases, and there are cases that are way out in left field, based on some verse alone, or other silly would be clue.
I am one to accept the known quantities both in science and the bible.
I think you will find that those straw men are not as strawy as you would like them to be.
However, by all means deflect, if you have no better response.
Of course not. One does not even need to know there is such a book.Please answer the following:
Is a literal interpretation of Genesis necessary for salvation?
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