Your Feelings on Giving to Beggars?

[ihavefoundgod951]

Yeah doesn't say that, say Judge not less you be judged for the measure in which you judge shall be measured back to you.

Jesus also said Know the tree by its fruit. I use the judgement already laid out by Jesus.

Sorry but you need correction in your thinking, The statement most homeless people prefer to live on the street and that most buy drugs is untrue and what got everybody going.

Your judging us for judging you for judging the homeless That is a mouth full friend.

How about we all stop Just and listen to the passage I post which shows us how to love those less fortunate. I think we all agree we should love them, and help them, maybe not give them money always, but give. right

You more or less condemned me to hell, that is a sin (a massive sin)

 

[ihavefoundgod951]

Yet was anything I said not the truth? You said you don't lie you are a christian i said that is a lie you must lie some time.

I said your believe that homeless prefer to live on the street is ignorance, just because one man wants to live on the street and you have no idea what is going on in his head, but to say that in a broad term many homeless like to live on the street is ignorance.

Then I asked you to address the biblical passage, you say you give fine i believe you, you say you don't pass people by, then the passage should free you and make you feel Good about your self.

I take your word for it, but you are stereotyping a group of people based on one man.

I am not basing it on just one homeless man I have met, I am basing it on many homeless people I have spoken too, many homeless people suffer with mental health problems, fact! (7 in 10 homeless people have mental health problems see the survey below)

http://homeless.org.uk/mentalhealth#.U5IW3onLTQE

You sir are the one who is ignorant and also you are very rude, if you have read the information in the link I provided you should now see it is apparent you don't know what you are talking about.

You shouldnt be so judgemental (is this good Christian behavior?)

This is my last post to you.

I seriously recommend that you address your criticizing judgemental ways.

No hard feeling and God bless

 

[JM]

I have bought coffee and stuff like that for folks sitting outside the coffee shop but I usually don't give money.

 

[Bluelion]

I am not basing it on just one homeless man I have met, I am basing it on many homeless people I have spoken too, many homeless people suffer with mental health problems, fact! (7 in 10 homeless people have mental health problems see the survey below)

Mental Health | Homeless Link

You sir are the one who is ignorant and also you are very rude, if you have read the information in the link I provided you should now see it is apparent you don't know what you are talking about.

You shouldnt be so judgemental (is this good Christian behavior?)

This is my last post to you.

I seriously recommend that you address your criticizing judgemental ways.

No hard feeling and God bless

this was never about the fact that many mental ill people are homeless, I never said that was not the case. You said they prefer to live on the street i took issue with that, you also said most by drug i took issue with that, now you are changing your stance, fine.

 

[Bluelion]

You more or less condemned me to hell, that is a sin (a massive sin)

Thou shall not bare false witness. I did no such thing. i posted a Bible passage if you feel convicted that is The Holy Spirit not me, and if You feel guilty it could be satan or you self.

 

[Tenebrae]

I have bought coffee and stuff like that for folks sitting outside the coffee shop but I usually don't give money.

Dont know if you have read the book "Under the Overpass" by a chap called Mike Yanoski. He chose to experience life homeless for five months in various cities in the US. He advocates the same, its possible to meet a need without giving money

 

[StephanieSomer]

How about all those who think it's a Godly premise to decide whether or not to give to a beggar based on what YOU think they look like they'll do with the money, answer me this question. Did Christ say,

"But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise."

Or didn't He?

Where in any of this is there any defense for "they look like they're gonna spend it on drugs or booze." Does God reward obedience or not? If He does, does He ALSO reward disobedience?

 

[Bluelion]

I have bought coffee and stuff like that for folks sitting outside the coffee shop but I usually don't give money.

It is better you give this way, money is money but to take time to help a person learn about there need is loving them.

 

[Bluelion]

How about all those who think it's a Godly premise to decide whether or not to give to a beggar based on what YOU think they look like they'll do with the money, answer me this question. Did Christ say,

"But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise."

Or didn't He?

Where in any of this is there any defense for "they look like they're gonna spend it on drugs or booze." Does God reward obedience or not? If He does, does He ALSO reward disobedience?

People seem to think they commit a sin if the person does buy drugs with"their money" God knows your heart. You have your reward in heaven regardless of what they do, because you obeyed God.

 

[Tenebrae]

For me, its not that I think I may be sinning if someone buys alcohol or drugs with money I may give. Its a personal choice I myself am not ok with acting in a way that may fuel someones addiction

People seem to think they commit a sin if the person does buy drugs with"their money" God knows your heart. You have your reward in heaven regardless of what they do, because you obeyed God.

 

[Bluelion]

For me, its not that I think I may be sinning if someone buys alcohol or drugs with money I may give. Its a personal choice I myself am not ok with acting in a way that may fuel someones addiction

so you want control over how they spend "your money" you prize money to much I would suspect. Is it yours, did God not make all the Gold, has God not given to you freely, did God say Have faith, by grace and keep the Law. He said by grace and faith you are saved and the Law keep you.

So if God gives to us freely should we not give freely. I understand not wanting the person to harm themselves, like I said finding out what they need and giving it to them is loving them. Peter said i have no money when a beggar asked but he said what I have I will give and healed the man. Do you think everyone who was healed stayed with Jesus and did not return to a life of sin. We know reading the Bible many people left Him after some things He said, so they return to there old ways, yet Jesus healed them any way knowing full well they would never make it into Heaven. He worked miracles in-spite of peoples disbelief. Di Jesus not give freely did people not abuse what Jesus gave? Yet He gave.

Mat 10:8 KJV

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Do you obey that? Do you think you give freely?

 

[StephanieSomer]

For me, its not that I think I may be sinning if someone buys alcohol or drugs with money I may give. Its a personal choice I myself am not ok with acting in a way that may fuel someones addiction

And in that case, giving to meet the expressed need is absolutely correct. If a beggar asks for money to buy food, buy the food and give the food. If he turns it down, so be it.

The only thing I am taking issue with is the categorizing of beggars into different types based simply on appearance. People should not be so quick to insist THEY can always recognize an addict.

Like I said, it does not have to be money. But, for anyone to close their hand entirely just because of someone's appearance is sinful.

 

[Tenebrae]

so you want control over how they spend "your money"

Em nope. I'm a former addict and its a personal choice. Almost 10 years ago, when I was in the midst of addiction I had some family offering to help me out with money and had to tell them not to give me money direct because I knew there was a very good chance the money would go on feeding my addiction

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Do you obey that? Do you think you give freely?

As freely as possible, if they need food, transport, petrol, help with a power bill or any other I'll help out by providing food, transport, petrol, putting money directly to their bill or meeting their other need any way possible. I also work with people in crisis, volunteer with people with disabilities, people who are terminally ill. I am incredibly blessed to have a job that allows me every day to heal the sick, admittedly we dont encounter many lepers, i see alot of people with chronic long term ulcers, amputees, and its an incredibly privileged to be able to pray for these people. I'm paid for 40 hours a week. Most weeks I would work an additional 8-16 hours unpaid, simply because there isnt the time to get everything done in my paid hours.

I choose not to give money. And interestingly enough, most people who work with the homeless also advocate meeting a need directly as opposed to giving money

God is happy with my effort and at the end of the day, its His opinion that counts.

 

[Tenebrae]

And in that case, giving to meet the expressed need is absolutely correct. If a beggar asks for money to buy food, buy the food and give the food. If he turns it down, so be it.

The only thing I am taking issue with is the categorizing of beggars into different types based simply on appearance. People should not be so quick to insist THEY can always recognize an addict.

I've found especially when the emergence of the designer drugs, such as P (meth) its a drug that hits people from any socio economic group. I agree though

Like I said, it does not have to be money. But, for anyone to close their hand entirely just because of someone's appearance is sinful.

True that. When Jesus talked about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked I dont recall any additional qualifiers on that directive

 

[Bluelion]

Em nope. I'm a former addict and its a personal choice. Almost 10 years ago, when I was in the midst of addiction I had some family offering to help me out with money and had to tell them not to give me money direct because I knew there was a very good chance the money would go on feeding my addiction

As freely as possible, if they need food, transport, petrol, help with a power bill or any other I'll help out by providing food, transport, petrol, putting money directly to their bill or meeting their other need any way possible. I also work with people in crisis, volunteer with people with disabilities, people who are terminally ill. I am incredibly blessed to have a job that allows me every day to heal the sick, admittedly we dont encounter many lepers, i see alot of people with chronic long term ulcers, amputees, and its an incredibly privileged to be able to pray for these people. I'm paid for 40 hours a week. Most weeks I would work an additional 8-16 hours unpaid, simply because there isnt the time to get everything done in my paid hours.

I choose not to give money. And interestingly enough, most people who work with the homeless also advocate meeting a need directly as opposed to giving money

God is happy with my effort and at the end of the day, its His opinion that counts.

Well that is great You give as you should and I see your heart is really not looking down on them but wanting to help.

God Bless you on over coming your addiction, God has given you a great victory.

Keep on lovin'

blu

 

[Emjay1985]

I believe there are many ways to help someone other than giving them money directly. Personally I am not in a situation where I know how best to help, so I support organisations who do know.

Sometimes I think people become so overwhelmed by the magnitude of poverty, suffering, and injustice in the world, that they try to shut it out of their minds. They justify it to themselves and others;
"I can't afford to... but have you seen my latest new toy (car/phone/ab-blaster 2000)."
"They're only going to waste the money... but I'll need my daily lite soy mocha latte with sprinkles please."
"They should just stop being poor/homeless."
"They deserve to be poor/homeless."
"They shouldn't have had kids."
I've even heard scripture quoted to justify not giving or that only a certain way of giving is acceptable.

In saying that I feel guilty walking past people who are raising money for charities. I justify it to myself and them that I already give part of my weekly income to a charity.

Prayers are free and so is showing kindness, dignity, and respect regardless of who the person is, the situation they're in, and how they got there.