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My church has advertised for a youth/associate pastor. It is a position I have been waiting patiently to apply for (congregation of 200). My only real problem is my pastor. He is a wonderful, kind, generous, and very wise man. I know I would learn alot from this man. However he is very controlling. I have picked up on this and so have a few others, and even some people I know from his previous two churches have said the same. There is also a position at my old church for a similar ministry which is a certain possibility also (congregation of 400-500).The question is should this deter me from applying for this position because no one likes to be controlled all the time, or as my first ministry position would it be a good thing to have a senior pastor who sort of has me like a puppet on a string???

What would you all do??? I am praying alot. Obviously it is a delicate matter and I cannot approach any one from my church for advice.
 

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Applying for a position does not commit you to taking it. Just as the church will meet with several applicants, you can explore several possible jobs. Apply for both! Use the interview process to help you figure out if a job is a good fit or not and where God is leading you.
 
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My church has advertised for a youth/associate pastor. It is a position I have been waiting patiently to apply for (congregation of 200). My only real problem is my pastor. He is a wonderful, kind, generous, and very wise man. I know I would learn alot from this man. However he is very controlling. I have picked up on this and so have a few others, and even some people I know from his previous two churches have said the same. There is also a position at my old church for a similar ministry which is a certain possibility also (congregation of 400-500).The question is should this deter me from applying for this position because no one likes to be controlled all the time, or as my first ministry position would it be a good thing to have a senior pastor who sort of has me like a puppet on a string???

Could you explain more about what you mean by 'controlling'?
 
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My church has advertised for a youth/associate pastor. It is a position I have been waiting patiently to apply for (congregation of 200). My only real problem is my pastor. He is a wonderful, kind, generous, and very wise man. I know I would learn alot from this man. However he is very controlling. I have picked up on this and so have a few others, and even some people I know from his previous two churches have said the same. There is also a position at my old church for a similar ministry which is a certain possibility also (congregation of 400-500).The question is should this deter me from applying for this position because no one likes to be controlled all the time, or as my first ministry position would it be a good thing to have a senior pastor who sort of has me like a puppet on a string???

What would you all do??? I am praying alot. Obviously it is a delicate matter and I cannot approach any one from my church for advice.

During the years that I served as a senior pastor of a church, I was told by some people that I was too controlling. I listened to what others had to say, but I made the final decision in almost all matters that directly affected the whole church. When it came to matters that affected only one or two parts of the church, however, I usually left the decision up to the person in charge of those parts of the church. If the one or two parts of the church were of substantial importance, I typically left the decision up to one of my associate or assistant pastors. The youth were our church’s most important asset, and therefore I gave them my closest attention. The youth pastor, although he had several years of experience serving in that capacity at another church, was allowed to make decisions of only limited importance and his job was to be certain that my vision and goals for the youth were brought about. I spent a minimum of 50 hours a week at the church and often as many as 70 hours and therefore I was very accessible for any young people who felt a need to talk with me about matters that concerned them.

When people accused me of being too controlling, I reminded them that God had placed me in the church as the senior pastor and that the associate pastors, assistant pastors, and the rest of the church staff were placed by God in the church under my authority. One assistant pastor, Ken, and his wife who shared some of his pastoral responsibilities (only with the women in the church) believed that I was too controlling and shared that thought with the other pastors. This resulted in a meeting of the pastors with me and the senior associate pastor agreed with Ken and insisted that I needed to delegate more authority to my staff, and all but one of the other pastors agreed. The hour drew late and we decided to continue the meeting the following night.

The one pastor who agreed with me rather than Ken recognized that a potentially dangerous situation had arisen and that I was very concerned about the danger so he took me aside and told me not to worry because, contrary to the outward appearance that night, God had the matter under control. When we continued the meeting as planned, the senior associate pastor, who had the night before agreed with Ken, told Ken and the others that he had spent much time in prayer over the situation and that he now very clearly and unmistakably understood that God had placed me in the church as the senior pastor and that the rest of the church staff were placed by God in the church to assist me in caring out His goals under my leadership. All of the other pastors gave their “amen” and the matter was settled. The church grew very rapidly and in less than two years time we had to quadruple the size of our facility.

In my opinion, a youth pastor with no prior experience serving in that capacity needs to be on a very short leash. If a senior pastor is indeed too controlling and was not placed in his position by God but by men making a mistake, serving under that pastor would likely prove to be a mistake as well.
 
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I think whenever you do God's work you always have a trial. If you do what you are called to do and no matter how hard it becomes with your pastor just over look him because at this point the trust is in the Lord. There are things the Holy Ghost must teach you and hopefully you always listen and learn as well as your Pastor. There higher levels- so many levels for us to achieve that I try to pass my test and I know if I don't I will get it again.. When you get to a certain level you won't see the faces of men.. That's where God needs you so you are totally dependent on him. You will get there..Because when you are truely seeking him he'll send you trials to make you stronger. Stay Blessed!

All The Glory Belongs To God!
 
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During the years that I served as a senior pastor of a church, I was told by some people that I was too controlling. I listened to what others had to say, but I made the final decision in almost all matters that directly affected the whole church. When it came to matters that affected only one or two parts of the church, however, I usually left the decision up to the person in charge of those parts of the church. If the one or two parts of the church were of substantial importance, I typically left the decision up to one of my associate or assistant pastors. The youth were our church’s most important asset, and therefore I gave them my closest attention. The youth pastor, although he had several years of experience serving in that capacity at another church, was allowed to make decisions of only limited importance and his job was to be certain that my vision and goals for the youth were brought about. I spent a minimum of 50 hours a week at the church and often as many as 70 hours and therefore I was very accessible for any young people who felt a need to talk with me about matters that concerned them.

When people accused me of being too controlling, I reminded them that God had placed me in the church as the senior pastor and that the associate pastors, assistant pastors, and the rest of the church staff were placed by God in the church under my authority. One assistant pastor, Ken, and his wife who shared some of his pastoral responsibilities (only with the women in the church) believed that I was too controlling and shared that thought with the other pastors. This resulted in a meeting of the pastors with me and the senior associate pastor agreed with Ken and insisted that I needed to delegate more authority to my staff, and all but one of the other pastors agreed. The hour drew late and we decided to continue the meeting the following night.

The one pastor who agreed with me rather than Ken recognized that a potentially dangerous situation had arisen and that I was very concerned about the danger so he took me aside and told me not to worry because, contrary to the outward appearance that night, God had the matter under control. When we continued the meeting as planned, the senior associate pastor, who had the night before agreed with Ken, told Ken and the others that he had spent much time in prayer over the situation and that he now very clearly and unmistakably understood that God had placed me in the church as the senior pastor and that the rest of the church staff were placed by God in the church to assist me in caring out His goals under my leadership. All of the other pastors gave their “amen” and the matter was settled. The church grew very rapidly and in less than two years time we had to quadruple the size of our facility.

In my opinion, a youth pastor with no prior experience serving in that capacity needs to be on a very short leash. If a senior pastor is indeed too controlling and was not placed in his position by God but by men making a mistake, serving under that pastor would likely prove to be a mistake as well.

I understand that a fresh youth pastor just out of college should be on a short leash:thumbsup:- that is for sure, but my main concern is the overall controlling nature of my pastor. As I said he is a great man and I do admire him hugely but even when I played basketball on a team with him and he wasn't the coach he just took on the role of coach and told people what to do. Also at music practice he sort of takes over from the actual worship elder - I think that his controlling nature comes out in every area not just in ministry.

As you said basically the buck stops with the senior pastor so he should have a say on what goes on in the main areas of the church. He is a very strong leader, maybe his controlling is a by-product of his leadership style? He has set up some great things and caused some excellent changes too. He is also an excellent preacher/teacher and communicator- one of the best I have ever been under.

It worries me a little when people from his previous two churches say he was very controlling. I will let you all know how it pans out in the end- if I apply or not and if I do end up in ministry or not.

Thankyou for sharing some of your personal journey PG :) It has helped me understand some things better.
 
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My church has advertised for a youth/associate pastor. It is a position I have been waiting patiently to apply for (congregation of 200). My only real problem is my pastor. He is a wonderful, kind, generous, and very wise man. I know I would learn alot from this man. However he is very controlling. I have picked up on this and so have a few others, and even some people I know from his previous two churches have said the same. There is also a position at my old church for a similar ministry which is a certain possibility also (congregation of 400-500).The question is should this deter me from applying for this position because no one likes to be controlled all the time, or as my first ministry position would it be a good thing to have a senior pastor who sort of has me like a puppet on a string???

What would you all do??? I am praying alot. Obviously it is a delicate matter and I cannot approach any one from my church for advice.


Well, first of all, you need to be sure that you do what the Lord tells you to do, not what you think man wants you to do.

An overbearing senior pastor may have good intentions, but sometimes that can hinder the working of the Holy Spirit in you, because man gets in the way. The Holy Spirit is a perfect gentleman, he is not going to force the issue if a pastor or senior pastor is set in their ways and wont get out of the way.

We don't always know how the Lord plans to use one another. We must be flexible enough to recognize that God knows best, and just step out of the way.

A good leader recognizes his subordinate's strengths and weaknesses, and seeks to refine them, while at the same time allowing as much freedom as possible.

If you are in a congregation with 200 youth, well, a senior pastor is going to drive himself nuts if he tries to micro-manage everything that goes on in the church that big.
 
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