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Young Earth Hypothesis

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Hello, christianforums.

I'd like to know how old you think the earth, and the universe, is. Do you agree with the young earth hypothesis, or do you believe, as I do, that the earth is several billions of years old?

Sorry if there's a thread for this already. I did a search on the subject, but couldn't find an existing thread.
 

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Hello, christianforums.

I'd like to know how old you think the earth, and the universe, is. Do you agree with the young earth hypothesis, or do you believe, as I do, that the earth is several billions of years old?

Sorry if there's a thread for this already. I did a search on the subject, but couldn't find an existing thread.
There are a few young earthers here. They maintain the their holy book trumps evidence and faith trumps reason.

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There are a few young earthers here. They maintain the their holy book trumps evidence and faith trumps reason.

:wave:
True enough. And although I believe that the Bible "trumps evidence and faith trumps reason", I also believe that the earth & universe are billions of years old. The Bible doesn't give the ages nor tell us how long ago creation took place -- just that it did.
 
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Hello, christianforums.

I'd like to know how old you think the earth, and the universe, is. Do you agree with the young earth hypothesis, or do you believe, as I do, that the earth is several billions of years old?

Sorry if there's a thread for this already. I did a search on the subject, but couldn't find an existing thread.

I think it is more reasonable to assume the earth is young.
 
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Methuselah" was 4,789 years old when sampled (likely in 1957) by Edmund Schulman and Tom Harlan,[4] with an estimated germination date of 2832 BC.[citation needed] Methuselah is the oldest known living tree and non-clonal organism in the world—probably 4843–4844 years old[a] as of 2012.[5][4]

Methuselah (tree) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Recorded history is the period in history of the world after prehistory. It has been written down using language, or recorded using other means of communication. It starts around the 4th millennium BC, with the invention of writing.



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I don't know how old the earth or the universe are. IMO trying to stick a number on it is to say one understands time - a rather brazen claim.

Not brazen at all. The age of the earth is determined by radiometrically dating the oldest known rocks on earth as well as meteorites and moon rocks. Taking all into consideration that determination is express as 4.54 billion years +/- 1%. So it is not an exact age but one that is statistically significant.

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http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html
http://sp.lyellcollection.org/content/190/1/205.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0012821X80900242
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_and_Planetary_Science_Letters
 
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To measure time you need a-->b. a for radiometric dating has only been around since 1950. It is a faith based belief that because xyz is decaying at abc it has always been doing that, which if one believes Noahs flood, it hasnt. Theres no law that says things HAVE to start at the top of the decay chain too, its BLIND FAITH there was no daughter element present in sample to begin with. To the person who has FAITH in 'billions and billions' there is EMPIRICAL evidence AGAINST it.

Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates

I predict an apriori dogmatic rejection but we will see.
 
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To measure time you need a-->b. a for radiometric dating has only been around since 1950. It is a faith based belief that because xyz is decaying at abc it has always been doing that, which if one believes Noahs flood, it hasnt. Theres no law that says things HAVE to start at the top of the decay chain too, its BLIND FAITH there was no daughter element present in sample to begin with. To the person who has FAITH in 'billions and billions' there is EMPIRICAL evidence AGAINST it.

Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates

I predict an apriori dogmatic rejection but we will see.

Thanks for demonstrating absolute ignorance about radiometric dating.

Polonium halos have nothing to do with radiometric dating nor does coal have anything to do with dating the age of the earth.
 
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Coal is organic..before organics,non organics were around(regular rock)The plant life that formed into coal came much later than rocks that are in strata s below that coal.
Therefore, coal has no bearing on dating the age of the earth,other than the obvious...coal is younger than the time when the earth was formed,much younger.
 
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@jinx25:
It is a faith based belief that because xyz is decaying at abc it has always been doing that, which if one believes Noahs flood, it hasnt.
Actually, assuming that radioactive decay is always occurring at the same rate is a logical assumption, unless you have counter-evidence. And we have no counter-evidence. So we can assume it has always decayed at the same rate.

Pouring a lot of water over a radioactive substance, like it happened at the Great Flood, is not going to change the rate at which radioactive decay occurs.

Theres no law that says things HAVE to start at the top of the decay chain too, its BLIND FAITH there was no daughter element present in sample to begin with.
Of course, it would be conceivable that radioactive decay did not start until some years ago, but there's no evidence for it, so assuming it would be illogical.

And you're right, there's no law that states things have to start at the top of the decay chain. But then again, there doesn't have to. If scientists had to formulate laws just to rule out every conceivable impossibility, they would spend more time doing just this and almost no time researching.

To the person who has FAITH in 'billions and billions' there is EMPIRICAL evidence AGAINST it.
No, not really. What you gave us were counter-arguments, but without evidence.

What no one has mentioned yet, at least as far as I can tell, is the fact that we can observe stars that are millions, if not billions of light years away from us. As we know, the speed of light is limited (hence where the name 'light year' comes from), so we could never see these stars if their light didn't have enough time to reach us.
 
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