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Young-Earth Creationism

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"Even though the two are not particularly connected or there is any logical reason for making the link, you do so. "

they are quite linked. They both were created, and both were cursed at the same time. Just read genesis, its quite fully of parallels.

"Which is why I hope you will admit the error and retract the careless statement that was probably hastily made without sufficient thought."

its not an error at all. I haven't seen any evidience that shows me the earth wasn't created mature.

"Sort of a kick in the teeth to learn that devoted Young Earth Creationists"

Again, this doesn't support your claim. I don't see anything about them being the 1st geologists ever, nor anything about them being christian, so try again mor.

"virtually every European was (you guessed it) Christian"

Doubtful. That's to claim that just because you're born you're automatically a christian, what baloney.

Like I have said before, in time you will find out. I'm willing to wait.

"You claim all this data exists, yet it is insufficient to convince anyone. "

1. I didn't claim anything. I said both sides have compelling evidience and I see the bigger holes on the other side.
 
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Sinai:"Even though the two are not particularly connected or there is any logical reason for making the link, you do so. "

LouisBooth:"they are quite linked. They both were created, and both were cursed at the same time. Just read genesis, its quite fully of parallels.

I have read Genesis--many times. I have also looked to ancient Jewish commentaries on the passages in question, and have studied the Hebrew words and their meanings. And at no point have I found any scripture that requires a 6000-year old universe. Indeed, a close examination of the scriptures argues against such a conclusion. Furthermore, I have not found any credible evidence in science that supports a 6000-year old universe. If you have found such evidence, please present it. Thank you.
 
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Again, this doesn't support your claim. I don't see anything about them being the 1st geologists ever, nor anything about them being christian, so try again mor.

  *snort*. Pick me a geologist of any note between 1600 and 1800 who wasn't Christian. Yet somehow the Deluge was dropped in there, wasn't it?

Doubtful. That's to claim that just because you're born you're automatically a christian, what baloney

  Last refuge of the desperate: *whine* "They weren't true Christians".

1. I didn't claim anything. I said both sides have compelling evidience and I see the bigger holes on the other side.

  Let me refersh your memory, Louis. You stated on post 29 "the bulk? Doubtful. ".

   Which is a claim that data exists contrary to established geology. Yet you have been unable to present any. How strange.

 
 
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Why would God create the earth "mature"? I don't think God decieves people.

Because that's the only way to reconcile all the evidence that points to a 4.5 billion year old Earth (and a 15+ billion year old universe), yet still claim it's only 6000 years old. It's a very weak argument, at best.
 
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"Indeed, a close examination of the scriptures argues against such a conclusion"

That's YOUR OPINION, and one I would disagree with having done the same research.

"Pick me a geologist of any note between 1600 and 1800 who wasn't Christian. "

*chuckles* I can say, "I'm a duck" would you believe me? Same logic applies.

"Last refuge of the desperate: "

Yup, it sure is the refuge of the desperate ya know what they say? "your point is the last refuge of the desperate" thinking..wow, I can't refute that at all so I'll just make some sort of I'm taking my toys home because I don't like your points crack.
 
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Sinai:"Even though the two are not particularly connected or there is any logical reason for making the link, you do so. "

LouisBooth:"they are quite linked. They both were created, and both were cursed at the same time. Just read genesis, its quite fully of parallels."

Sinai: "I have read Genesis--many times. I have also looked to ancient Jewish commentaries on the passages in question, and have studied the Hebrew words and their meanings. And at no point have I found any scripture that requires a 6000-year old universe. Indeed, a close examination of the scriptures argues against such a conclusion. Furthermore, I have not found any credible evidence in science that supports a 6000-year old universe. If you have found such evidence, please present it. Thank you."

LouisBooth: "That's YOUR OPINION, and one I would disagree with having done the same research."

Louis, you claimed that it is "doubtful" that the bulk of scientific evidence supports the position that the universe is older than 6000 years. I have asked you if you had any credible evidence in science that supports a 6000-year old universe to "please present it."

Since you have ignored my request, does that mean that you have NO such evidence?
 
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Chris:

Glad to meet another Christian who can think, observe, and draw conclusions independently.
 
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  I'm sorry. I must have misunderstood your response. I thought you had, in response to learning the very obvious fact that the first geologists to dispose of the Flood and the Biblical time-frame were Christians, had been to claim they were, not, in fact "True Christians" even though they claimed to be Christian.

    Did I misunderstand? Did you find any geologists of that period who weren't Christian? Did you give any reason, besides the fact that they were honest about their craft, to label them "non-Christian"?

   I didn't think so.

 
 
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"in fact "True Christians" even though they claimed to be Christian."

You have failed to show where they claimed to be. thus I will not assume that.

"Did you find any geologists of that period who weren't Christian? "

You're the one making the claim. Show me where they claim to be christian.
 
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  Since reading the links I gave you, or checking out The Creationists seems to be too much of an effort, how about I just cut and paste from here:


  Buckland is of particular importance. You should read up on him:
 
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Hmmm.....

.......Apparently, still no answer....
 
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"Since reading the links I gave you, or checking out The Creationists seems to be too much of an effort, how about I just cut and paste from "

I still see no claim that they were christians in that section, which I had read before.
 
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 *slam*. First off, you should recognize some of those names. Some of them are often included in AIG's famous "Famous Creationists" lists. Ussher wasn't a Christian? Good Lord! Someone better tell the idiot that made him a Bishop. Descartes wasn't one? Someone knock me over with a feather.

   But most of all, Louis, the second link I gave went to a short bio of Buckland. You obviously didn't read it, but here's the beginning of it:

WILLIAM BUCKLAND: British vicar and paleontologist, and first Professor of Geology at Oxford University. 1784-1856

   Oh, a vicar. That's like an atheist, right?

   Do you want the rest of the list? Heck, let's take five names from the middle, shall we? John Ray was only an ordained Anglican priest, Baron Leibnitz was a Lutheran who held a lifelong goal of reunifying the Church, John Woodward heavily defended the Biblical flood and was an Anglican, William Whiston was an Anglican Rector who ended up a Baptist, Robert Hooke was the curate of the All Saints Church.

    What we've proven here, Louis, is that you didn't even read the list (How anyone could have missed Descartes and Ussher is beyond me. Ussher used the Bible as a historical text to calculate the age of the Earth, as the quote I gave mentioned), didn't even read the first line of the second link, and basically just don't want to admit you're wrong. Virtually all the prominent geologists of the 16, 17, and 18th century were European and Christian. One or two might have been deists. Needless to say, the original (and prevailing) view was that geology would confirm the literal truth of Genesis. Starting well before 1863, and Origins, the literal truth of Genesis was being dismantled by Christians who saw no Flood in the rocks they studied.

 
 
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Originally posted by LouisBooth
"I hope and expect that LouisBooth would not abuse his position."

Not at all, this is my opinion as a poster. A cop doesn't arrest you for disagreeing with him on fiscal policy. LOL

 

errrr Louis...I could tell you some stories
 
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