NGC 6712 said:
Ow! Geez, sorry to hear that! Maybe buy some bubble wrap and cover everything in the house in it?
May God Richly Bless You! MM
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NGC 6712 said:Had a another misfortune actually. Had surgery and my first day out of bed with crutches - I slipped and fell on our polished stone floor and broke my shoulder and arm. I'm not kidding I have suffered more injuries in the last 3 weeks than my entire life beforehand.
I think I might spend the next few months wrapped in cotton wool. Maybe then I won't do some more damage.
Ow! Geez, sorry to hear that! Maybe buy some bubble wrap and cover everything in the house in it?
May God Richly Bless You! MM
NGC 6712 said:It's why I haven't exactly been posting on here. Luckily being in my line of work as long as I can type I can work from home - which I do a lot anyway. I wasn't teaching till the autumn anyway - and I have just had that reassigned because there is no way I am going to be mobile by then.
They are a little dated but good books. For example we know more about the flagellum then Behe did when he wrote DBB(1996). Instead of Bones of Contention (2004) I would get the more up to date "Science & Human Origins" (2012) instead since fossils interpretations (story telling) are constantly changing. I would get Behe's The Edge of Evolution (2007).I've been told I should pick up the books "Darwin's Black Box", "Darwin On Trial", and "Bones of Contention". Does anyone know if these are good books or not?
May God Richly Bless You! MM
They are a little dated but good books. For example we know more about the flagellum then Behe did when he wrote DBB(1996). Instead of Bones of Contention (2004) I would get the more up to date "Science & Human Origins" (2012) instead since fossils interpretations (story telling) are constantly changing. I would get Behe's The Edge of Evolution (2007).
ID claim may be prove wrong in the court of law just like OJ was found innocent of murmuring his ex-wife but the science says otherwise. If anything TTSS evolved (devolved) from the flagellum and not the other way around. If this is the best that evolutionist can come up with then it shows just how powerful evidence the flagellum is to ID.Yep, we now know that Michael Behe's flagellum was actually not irreducibly complex because in earlier generations that didn't have this complex "motor" the flagellum was still a useful probosces as a secretory apparatus.
The Flagellum Unspun
This particular creationist claim has the unique honor of being proven wrong in an actual court of law.
If anything TTSS evolved (devolved) from the flagellum and not the other way around.
If this is the best that evolutionist can come up with then it shows just how powerful evidence the flagellum is to ID.
Personally my favorite example of ID is the smallest motor known to man; ATP synthase. There is no example of a living cell without a ATP synthase which is near to 100% efficient.
The Evolution of the Flagellar Assembly Pathway in Endosymbiotic Bacterial GenomesNope. Check your sources again.
What organisms that doesn't have a ATP synthase?Wrong again...
"The modular evolution theory for the origin of ATP synthase suggests that two subunits with independent function, a DNA helicase with ATPase activity and a H+ motor, were able to bind, and the rotation of the motor drive the ATPase activity of the helicase in reverse."
From: Rotary DNA motors.
This system then continued to evolve with greater efficiency into the modern ATP synthase we know today.
While MOST organisms do have this, you are lying when you say "there is NO example"
ATP synthase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Khaos Theory from that literature you didnt even read yourself.
Genome shrinkage is a common feature of most intracellular pathogens and symbionts
Shrinkage. This is what the fall of man may predict. Mehusalah was 969. There has been decline.
I personally think that flagellum devolved into TTSS is still a leap of faith. My only point was scientist believes flagellum was around long before TTSS.So you are taking the fact that we've observed SOME bacteria losing their flagellum as evidence that ALL flagella came before ALL probosces?
If I have to explain to you why this line of logic is fallacious then I don't think we can even have a normal conversation anymore...
But ok, lets assume ALL flagellum "devolved" into a secretory system (which they didn't)...
This is still perfect evidence of changing the functional purpose of a system which is exactly the kind of addition of "new information" that you guys like to deny.
This is still perfect evidence of changing the functional purpose of a system which is exactly the kind of addition of "new information" that you guys like to deny.
Not sure what you think a Creation model would look like but the newly created genomes would have been pristine, virtually mutation free even after a thousand years due to longevity. Following the Flood they would have flourished simply because of the availability of vast gene pools. Over time mutations would accumulate and populations would interbreed and gene pools would start to bottleneck.
The Bible paints a picture of devolution, not evolution like your used to thinking of it.
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