you will be judged even if decieved

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What truth?

How do you verify you have found the truth?

Y'SHUA IS TRUTH.

HE verifies it. I couldn't even prove Lincoln was president !

 

[Steve Petersen]

keep telling yourself that....I suppose your the one who needs convincing.

but one question....

Not.

don't you want to know what is out there?

in the universe?

I am not talking about aliens in and off which we have no empiracle evidence for...but the Real God.

don't you want to know what sparked off the Big bang?

the type of power that lies in the Man behind that?

Of course. I think the Creator can't be trapped in the pages of someone's sacred text.

What He is like, How He talks, and How He walks?

I don't know. Most Christians don't know these words. They think they have got God all figured out.

The word meekness means etymologically as a powerful stallion that is able to be broken.

when we come to Him we must lay down pride and self sufficiency, and humble ourselfes to his Mastery.

He is our pilot now.

God want us to grovel? To become MORE dependent on Him? This does not conform to the model He has given us in parenthood.

will you believe, or will you deceive?

Deceit requires intent! You ascribe motives that are not there.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Deceit requires intent! You ascribe motives that are not there. googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1474449713049-1'); });

True, mostly.
Remember a lot of people (most all the world; most all americans)
ARE deceived,
and thus pass on the deception to everyone else they know,
even if they DON'T INTEND IT.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I think, rather you fail to acknowledge your very own scientific perspective fully.

I understand my perspective much better than you do.

the universe according to modern science was caused by a great "singularity"

That is one leading model, yes. While that is not the only model considered by scientists, we can tentatively go with that for now as an example.

but that is a contradiction as something that is Caused needs a cause, that is uncaused.

Saying that the universe was caused by a singularity isn't necessarily saying that the singularity itself is uncaused. We have two logical possibilities:

1) The singularity is uncaused. It is the uncaused causer.
2) The singularity was caused by some other natural phenomenon (e.g., quantum fluctuations). The singularity has a natural cause, and there is a chain of causation that leads back to a natural uncaused causer.

There is no necessary contradiction here.

a singularity is caused by external forces most of which science hardly comprehends. But it is caused non the less.

Where are you getting that from?

so resultingly, the only answer is=

• not a singularity (or other caused phenomenon)
• but a single...God (the only uncaused phenomenon currently in existance)

That is not "the only answer", and it is certainly not one required by science. There can in principle be some other uncaused natural phenomenon.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[bhsmte]

Y'SHUA IS TRUTH.

HE verifies it. I couldn't even prove Lincoln was president !

He proves it how?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

He proves it how?

That's entirely up to HIM.....

 

[Eudaimonist]

but again all things are possible with God. So what appears to be a contradiction, is not with God.

*facepalm*

If it is not a contradiction with God, it's not a contradiction.

If it is a contradiction, then it is impossible even for God.

I hate to name drop, but you really might want to look into what theologians such as Augustine and Thomas Aquinas have had to say on this issue. They would not agree that omnipotence means the ability to do the contradictory. "All things" means "all logically possible things", not contradictions.

This is the point where I have to end this particular thread of conversation. If you can't even consistently uphold the law of non-contradiction, we have nothing to discuss, because all of logic rests on that.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Actually, it is the critical thing..

(You are right) I searched back thru the posts for these:

God never wants us to get people saved, so my appearance to you is not the critical thing.

YHWH wants us to save as many people as possible.
The disciples did this all through the NT.
SAME AS Y'SHUA --- "... to SEEK AND TO SAVE those who are lost..."

plus if you are my convert, you will stink of bias and being opinionated, as I am. But if you are God's convert you resemble what He does and says.

The converts of the Apostles and all Y'SHUA'S disciples in the NT and since then right thru to TODAY,
are clean and blameless and right with YHWH , in Y'SHUA,

BECAUSE YHWH sent them someone ('to save them') who TOLD THEM THE GOSPEL,
and they heard and they believed and were immersed in Y'SHUA'S NAME and were saved from their sins.

if you see something wrong in what I say....it's me saying it.

Right.

 

[bhsmte]

That's entirely up to HIM.....

Whatever works for you.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Eve was deceived, Adam was not deceived.

1Timothy2 "For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. 15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.…"

Well I guess I wont be saved, Since I haven't gave birth to a baby. If people believe this. How can they be okay with it. Many woman can't give birth. So they never will be saved. But I guess people are fine with that. Why?

 

[createdtoworship]

What truth?

How do you verify you have found the truth?

how do you verify that we evolved from a rock? and the the bang that caused the universe was a bang from absolutely nothing, and if it was something, then that something needed a cause that we have no clue what it is....yet this is science....???

 

[createdtoworship]

footnote for later(not on forum)
look up the GOSPEL in the stars (YHWH'S message to the whole world in the stars)
no, NOT astrology like nor of the world....

I agree with some of that, but the problem with the gospel in the stars theory is that many people don't even read the stars. That science is long lost in our world. But I do know that the greek zodiac is based on the same ancient hebrew zodiac signs which depict satan as hydra and Jesus as orion I believe. Message me, I have quite a library on this stuff. But again for the pigmies that do look at the stars, it is doubtful they would have known the current zodiac configurations let alone the ancient ones. But the path "of the son" chopped in 12 sections is what makes up the zodiac. So any learned scholar of any religion of the ancients would have been looking for a messiah. This is why the wise men were looking for prophecies about the coming King Child in bethlehem. They were magi and learned in the stars among other things tracing back to daniel and earlier tracing all the way back to someone called zeroaster or actually shem the son of noah.

 

[createdtoworship]

Well I guess I wont be saved, Since I haven't gave birth to a baby. If people believe this. How can they be okay with it. Many woman can't give birth. So they never will be saved. But I guess people are fine with that. Why?

there is some redemptive value in learning responsibility and becoming a mother, thats all it's talking about. When some is saved from the warring enemy, they are not going to heaven necessarily because of that salvation. they are simply saved from the threat of the situation.

 

[createdtoworship]

God want us to grovel? To become MORE dependent on Him? This does not conform to the model He has given us in parenthood.

last will be first, and the first will be last. The Bible says. In parenthood we are too be the head of the house, as God is our head. But humility is basically putting your focus on someone else. False humility is still selfish. It's focussed on how poor or ugly, or sad or bad we are. But real humility is simply placing focus on the other person. That is a true servant. You are not a servant when you help people but you are a true servant when people start to treat you as a servant. Then you can call it a glorious opportunity to be like our Father who went before us as a suffering servant. Later to come as our conquering King!

Deceit requires intent! You ascribe motives that are not there.

sin decieves, and when we choose not to believe the Bible it's not usually an intellectual issue, but a moral issue.

it's typically a sin issue. We don't want to live like Jesus did. He got crucified after all, and we are wise in NOT doing what He did. But it's not true wisdom it's the wisdom the world offers, which is a shallow wisdom. And usually breaks down under very little scrutiny.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I agree with some of that, but the problem with the gospel in the stars theory is that many people don't even read the stars. That science is long lost in our world.

Well, stay away from the greek stuff you mentioned.

Yes, the message in the stars is not known TODAY nor for thousands of years,
except for a few on earth who were taught.

E.W.Bullinger wrote one of the ONLY legitimate Biblical references to this,
and
it is simply delightful and wondrous that YHWH easily placed the GOSPEL in the STARS, for the WHOLE WORLD to read since the beginning about 6000 years ago,
even though mankind came up with many devices, contrary and wicked,
that have replaced true knowledge overall,
except for that which YHWH set apart for HIMSELF and guards.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well I guess I wont be saved, Since I haven't gave birth to a baby. If people believe this. How can they be okay with it. Many woman can't give birth. So they never will be saved. But I guess people are fine with that. Why?

Rather,
seek and see YHWH'S blessing to the 'barren' without child.

"Being saved" through childbirth is not explained properly , so don't worry about this here.

Y'SHUA came to heal, to comfort, to save those who are unrighteous and distraught, cast out of society and damaged.

Listen to HIM.

 

[rob_aston]

We are no longer in a missionary era, and that is unfortunate

feels like that at times
(the blue word below is a link to my blog, where by the rules of this forum, i place prophetic words)

 

[createdtoworship]

Well, stay away from the greek stuff you mentioned.

Yes, the message in the stars is not known TODAY nor for thousands of years,
except for a few on earth who were taught.

E.W.Bullinger wrote one of the ONLY legitimate Biblical references to this,
and
it is simply delightful and wondrous that YHWH easily placed the GOSPEL in the STARS, for the WHOLE WORLD to read since the beginning about 6000 years ago,
even though mankind came up with many devices, contrary and wicked,
that have replaced true knowledge overall,
except for that which YHWH set apart for HIMSELF and guards.

again how is one judged by not accepting orion as saviour?

I think if the gospel in the stars was meant for a substitution for other attempts at propulgating the message, such as mission work, and even the "everlasting Gospel" being proclaimed from an angel in the tribulation.

why would there be an angel that would simply be redundant to the message He already placed in the heavens.

so I do agree with you, but I still believe that God judges more on the natural law, than on the gospel of the stars since they are so vague. And interpretations can get corrupted, as you see with the greek zodiak.

but it is wonderful that God in essence put a prophecy in pictures.

but I would have to restudy it to be honest. Because my views do change the more I study them.

I my in fact over turn the Gospel of the stars theory entirely upon more study.

I agree with bullinger, but not any of his soteriology.

I do agree with his book on figures of speech, a very good book.

and his companion Bible is a must buy for any christian. But some of the apendixes on salvation are a little distorted.
but other than that. he is a great scholar. And a great pre runner of scofield, and larkin and chafer.

 

[createdtoworship]

feels like that at times
(the blue word below is a link to my blog, where by the rules of this forum, i place prophetic words)

what I meant was that the great missionary era has ended. Some churches are attempting to be missional, but what they mean is culturally missional, in that the strict moral codes, can be softened for the gaining of converts. These churches have a hard time in the long run as they often contradict their own rules in the rankings of their leaders, and often have a hard time with authority in general. Post modernism mainly, or emerging churches, and emergent churches.

 

[Eudaimonist]

how do you verify that we evolved from a rock?