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you claim your god is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent and all-good
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First of all, God has free will too, and He's pretty busy.
I think it's fun and interesting to pose these philosophical questions about the nature of God. But if any of us think we can attain complete knowledge of the nature of God, we're fooling ourselves. I hope this doesn't sound harsh, but we receive God's wisdom on a need-to-know basis. I don't know why God let Hitler be born; that information is above my pay grade.
But I do have one observation to share about God's power. We humans are virtually powerless, but we are also potential conduits for the Holy Spirit. God allows His power to work through us, so some of our free will is actually an extension of God's power. BTW, we can also be conduits for Satan.
I also keep hearing people ask God, "Why do you allow so much suffering in the world?" But that is a question God should be asking us.
I think it's fun and interesting to pose these philosophical questions about the nature of God. But if any of us think we can attain complete knowledge of the nature of God, we're fooling ourselves. I hope this doesn't sound harsh, but we receive God's wisdom on a need-to-know basis. I don't know why God let Hitler be born; that information is above my pay grade.
But I do have one observation to share about God's power. We humans are virtually powerless, but we are also potential conduits for the Holy Spirit. God allows His power to work through us, so some of our free will is actually an extension of God's power. BTW, we can also be conduits for Satan.
I also keep hearing people ask God, "Why do you allow so much suffering in the world?" But that is a question God should be asking us.
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
So, humans create earthquakes, hurricanes, famines, diseases, tsunamis, etc? Nah. No need to make excuses for your deity. He's a big boy.
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God created a wild, unpredictable universe. Like it our not, this is the setting for our human epic. We can either complain about it, or we can engage our fellow humans, rescuing them from disaster, giving them food, nursing them, etc. After all, what do you think your life purpose is?
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
You said that God would ask us about human suffering. Are we in agreement that humans are NOT responsible for those things but your deity is?
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Let me put it this way for the sake of my point. Let's say that neither are responsible for human suffering. My assertion is that humans are responsible for allowing human suffering by not focusing more energy on things like eradicating hunger and poverty. Believe me, I feel that Christians are not doing enough in this world, myself included. But don't blame God. He's told us time and again what our priorities are supposed to be. We are supposed to be the salt of the earth, preserving it and its people. Nowhere in the Bible does God say we are supposed to be a race of consumers.
I hope you get my point. Thanks for the conversation.
I hope you get my point. Thanks for the conversation.
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
God is much more capable than we are at dealing with those problems, yet he doesn't. Now, we're expected to fix the problems he either created or allows to exist?
And again, this doesn't even address problems that humans have no control over but God does such as natural disasters and disease.
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Yes.
If you don't mind me asking, your profile states that you are an atheist. So why are you discussing a God that presumably doesn't exist?
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
First off, I am discussing your claims of said God. Second, we can always discuss things we don't believe exist. I don't believe that I'll be able to travel through time, but it's still interesting to discuss such ideas as I might learn or be able to teach something.
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Nearly every major war or conflict happening in the world today is marked by one religious faction fighting another. Religion is one of the most powerful divisive elements at work on the planet. Our history is riddled with religious conflict and our future will undoubtedly be as well.
And you ask why those who think the divisions are mythical would discuss the subject. That question is one of the most heartless, shallow, cruel, and disgusting expressions of utter ignorance I have ever encountered.
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Um, we were discussing whether God is responsible for the suffering caused by natural disasters, and if He or humans are responsible for allowing suffering to exist in the world. I was intrigued by the poster's interest in discussing this. You, on the other hand, should consider the irony of the insults you hurled in the same breath as your concern over conflict.
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
I agree with the point he's making even though I disagree with the delivery. What people believe is important as it influences our actions. For instance, if you believe that your deity wants you to kill children, then whether I believe your deity exists or not is secondary.
Going back to suffering, I don't see how many theists can put blame on people for causing harm or allowing harm to come to someone but they can't hold their deity to at least the same standards, if not much much higher.
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My point is that most forms of christianity say he started the chain of events fully knowing the consequences and with the choice of altering events at any stage to alleviate suffering or to cause it.
The result is a world that has seen much suffering, and the one causing it would not be classed as all-good.
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From what i gather, the belief is he can make whatever he wants.
So, the doctrine is that: he is 'one on all times' instead of a time traveller, it still means he can directly see the cause and its effect.
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razeontherock
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False. G-d gave up His ability to make many choices when He created mankind and GAVE us dominion. Note that when He GAVE it, He no longer retained it. We are told this caused Him so much grief that there was a moment He changed His mind about this, which I'm sure is just a way for Him to try to get us to be able to relate ...
Nobody has classed G-d as "all good." In fact, there is no "class" of all good.
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razeontherock
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Yes! 2 points for our heathen
Now before we go and draw all kinds of elaborate conclusions about the ramifications of this - is it something we can really relate to?
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