You be da Judge! (part 2)
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Questions so far:
Does God lie?
No. Lying is sin. God is without sin, so God does not lie.
If God does not lie, can His Word contain lies?
No. The Bible repeatedly grounds its reliablility on the fact that God does not lie.
Does the Bible present God as expecting all who hear the Gospel to believe it?
Yes.
Does the Bible present anyone as being exempt from believing the Gospel?
No.
In eternity past, did God look forward in time to see who would and wouldn't believe the Gospel, and use those human choices as the basis for His choice of who would/would not be saved?
No.
Does the Bible present the Gospel as being held out to ALL mankind, and God as expecting ALL who hear it to believe it?
Yes.
What does the Bible say God will do with all who knowingly reject the Gospel?
Lake of Fire.
According to Calvinism, can the non-elect believe the Gospel and be saved?
No.
Does God lie?
No. Lying is sin. God is without sin, so God does not lie.
If God does not lie, can His Word contain lies?
No. The Bible repeatedly grounds its reliablility on the fact that God does not lie.
Does the Bible present God as expecting all who hear the Gospel to believe it?
Yes.
Does the Bible present anyone as being exempt from believing the Gospel?
No.
In eternity past, did God look forward in time to see who would and wouldn't believe the Gospel, and use those human choices as the basis for His choice of who would/would not be saved?
No.
Does the Bible present the Gospel as being held out to ALL mankind, and God as expecting ALL who hear it to believe it?
Yes.
What does the Bible say God will do with all who knowingly reject the Gospel?
Lake of Fire.
According to Calvinism, can the non-elect believe the Gospel and be saved?
No.
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According to Calvinism, does God hold the non-elect eternally responsible for not believing the Gospel?
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Puppy,
I know the modern educational system is a wreck but that's what we old-timers call a yes-or-no question. It requires a "yes" or a "no" for an answer.
I know the modern educational system is a wreck but that's what we old-timers call a yes-or-no question. It requires a "yes" or a "no" for an answer.
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orthotomeo said:
The permise on which the question depends is flawed. Therefore the answer is nethier yes /no . Given the assertion held with in the question, which may be seen as baseless.
For His Glory Alone!
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Good Day, orthotomeoorthotomeo said:
Please cite Scripture on which you build your assertions here. Please for sake of clearity plese use full exergises of passages, for 1 verse does not a doctrine make.
Peace to u,
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Very good, Puppy, you figured it out (as if I haven't stated it a dozen times already). And your answers are textbook Calvinism, so I thank you for sticking with this.
Next question:
According to Calvinism, was the eternal fate of ALL humans (elect and non-elect) irrevocably settled in eternity past? Or is there still the possibility that living people (elect or non-elect) can go one way or the other (Heaven or Hell) depending on their response to the Gospel?
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False dilemma.orthotomeo said:
The eternal fate of all humans WAS irrevocably settled in eternity past, AND living people can and do go to heaven or hell depending on their response to the Gospel.
The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Of course as a self-proclaimed former Calvinist you should certainly be aware of that.
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Translation: Don't bother me with details...I need more straw for my argument.orthotomeo said:
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This is an uncalled for comment .The age of the poster does not lessen out responsibility to treat each other with respect
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I'll take that as a "no."
Hey...if R.C. Sproul is right, then God foreordained me to call you Puppy. So who are you to question God's will? Who art thou, o clay, to speak against thy Maker?
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Hey...if R.C. Sproul is right, then God foreordained me to call you Puppy. So who are you to question God's will? Who art thou, o clay, to speak against thy Maker?
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You don't know what "irrevocable" means, do you.
If the eternal fate of all was determined irrevocably in eternity past, then no decision in this life - for the Gospel or against it - makes the slightest impact on determining your eternal fate.
Ever read 1984?
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