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The Church was not founded by an apostle. It was founded by Christ. I think every Christian understands that. He put Peter in charge after His resurrection.
Denial denial denial. There was a church IN England, before Henry's day, but the Church OF England was founded by Henry.Of course it makes no sense to even bring Henry VIII into this since he didn't found any church. The church in England was already almost 1500 years old by his day.
The church in England was already almost 1500 years old by his day.
Denial denial denial. There was a church IN England, before Henry's day, but the Church OF England was founded by Henry.
They aren't separate churches. They are patriarchates of the same Church. The Church in the East (Orthodox) and the Church in the West are both true churches that can trace their priesthood back to the apostles. We are the Church established by Jesus Christ. We say that we are the two lungs of the Church.Now that we are discussing the founders of national churches, please enlighten us as to who founded the Greek Orthodox Church, the Russian Orthodox Church, the Antiochan Orthodox Church, to name but three national Churches.
The issue was about "founded," was it not? I won't attempt to speak in too much detail for the Lutherans, but most of them have bishops in Apostolic Succession, as do the Anglicans. So, yes, both can trace their churches back to an Apostle.
Of course it makes no sense to even bring Henry VIII into this since he didn't found any church. The church in England was already almost 1500 years old by his day.
Madam, Your Church, was the Suburbicarian Church of Rome, with authority round about the City of Rome. Then it spread down south to what is known as the Toe and the three Islands.They aren't separate churches. They are patriarchates of the same Church. The Church in the East (Orthodox) and the Church in the West are both true churches that can trace their priesthood back to the apostles. We are the Church established by Jesus Christ. We say that we are the two lungs of the Church.
Rubbish!!Of course it was, but the Church in England is not what Henry VIII founded. He found The Church of England. St Thomas More will attest to that!!
One gets the impression that some people have just got off the Dream Boat.
That's a popular myth in certain circles, all right, but I urge my Roman Catholic friends to give it up. It does nothing to convince us who know better, so it must be only something that you like to hear yourself.Of course it was, but the Church in England is not what Henry VIII founded. He found The Church of England.
The Church was not founded by an apostle. It was founded by Christ. I think every Christian understands that. He put Peter in charge after His resurrection.
Not so. It got to Britain twice. Once quite early, where it developed its own liturgies, etc. During this period, it lost contact with the mainland. Then later contact was reestablished. It is just wrong to say that the Catholic Church didn't exist until the 19th century. My assumption is that you are taking Newman out of context. For example, Henry VIII was a devout Catholic before he established the Church of England.It didn't even get to Britain as a ,'Church,' till about the middle of the 19tth, Cent, according to Archbishop Wiseman and ,'Cardinal,'Newman! (There were of course individuals.)
I don't know about worshipping the Pope?That's a popular myth in certain circles, all right, but I urge my Roman Catholic friends to give it up. It does nothing to convince us who know better, so it must be only something that you like to hear yourself.
Nevertheless, it's an attack line that's very little different from the "You Catholics worship the Pope!" claim that gets thrown at you by some. We'll all be better off when we abandon such stuff and instead stick to discussing serious areas of disagreement between us.
Now...where were we? Lines of Apostolic Succession in the Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, and Anglican churches, wasn't it?
You must mean the Catholics.
It got to Britain Twice!Not so. It got to Britain twice. Once quite early, where it developed its own liturgies, etc. During this period, it lost contact with the mainland. Then later contact was reestablished. It is just wrong to say that the Catholic Church didn't exist until the 19th century. My assumption is that you are taking Newman out of context. For example, Henry VIII was a devout Catholic before he established the Church of England.
Dear Lady,Yeap. Catholics.
Dear Lady,
Trust you are well?
"Twenty years ago (1846.) we were a mere collection of individuals : but Pope Pius has brought us together, has given us,'Bishops,' and created out of us a body politic".
(The Pope and the Revolution. Oratory Church Birmingham. England . 1866. P,14.)
John Newman, Cardinal. On the PiusIX, as founder of the Roman Catholic Church in England.
"Ours is a new wave of Christianity from Rome to take the place of Augustine's when it was lost....In this our not being lineally descended from the pre Reformation Church, but derived straight from Rome.
Father Humphrey S.J. Divine Teacher. Pg, 54.)
So much for claims of Continuous Service in Britain.
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