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More than one, actually, at the time.lol,... I just thought of this...
" Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"
That was a declaration of something that had been so for a very long time. Remember Charlemagne? Constantine?Wasn't it Innocent III who made the claim that the secular rulers are subject to the Pope? What about that time when there were like 3 popes? Which one of those were God's chosen Vicar?
I take it it was the one that won the seat?That was a declaration of something that had been so for a very long time. Remember Charlemagne? Constantine?
Which one? The one the Holy Spirit chose, obviously. There were never three popes. One pope and two anti-popes, sure.
I take it it was the one that won the seat?
But what does any of that have to do with the Catholic Church being the Church Christ founded, which he proclaimed Peter the head of?
The point is that it isn't the ONLY church founded by an apostle.Nor is it the "supreme" church. I think just about every EO can agree with me a little bit on that one.
I would even go so far as to say just about every non-Catholic Christian would agree with you on this one.
So if every non Catholic Christian agrees with this, then why not join the Orthodox Church.
Yo're admitting that your a splinter group off the incorrect Church....we're does that leave you...lol
I appreciate you making obvious what it is you value most.So if every non Catholic Christian agrees with this, then why not join the Orthodox Church.
Yo're admitting that your a splinter group off the incorrect Church....we're does that leave you...lol
I would agree with you, how-and-ever, the question remains, did he? You have provided no satisfactory proof! Smooth or slick answers are not proof! They're not even interesting!But what does any of that have to do with the Catholic Church being the Church Christ founded, which he proclaimed Peter the head of?
I have. Matthew 16:18-20I would agree with you, how-and-ever, the question remains, did he? You have provided no satisfactory proof! Smooth or slick answers are not proof! They're not even interesting!
I have. Matthew 16:18-20
That does not discount the other interpretation. We believe it's both.Maldonatus a jesuit Scholar said," There are amongst ancient authors some who interpret ,' on this rock,' that is ,'on this faith,' or,' on this confession of faith in which thou hast called Me the Son of the living God!' He mentions S.Hilary and Gregory Nyssen and John Chrysostom as well as Cyril of Alexandra. S.Augustine goes further on and interprets ,'on this rock,' as on,' Myself Christ', because Christ was the Rock.
Well, THAT makes no sense.So if every non Catholic Christian agrees with this, then why not join the Orthodox Church.
Just because the EO are right about this doesn't make them unique.
On a human level, sure. But Jesus knew what would be coming.It was looking gates of hellish...
The Church was not founded by an apostle. It was founded by Christ. I think every Christian understands that. He put Peter in charge after His resurrection.The point is that it isn't the ONLY church founded by an apostle.Nor is it the "supreme" church. I think just about every EO can agree with me a little bit on that one.
The issue was about "founded," was it not? I won't attempt to speak in too much detail for the Lutherans, but most of them have bishops in Apostolic Succession, as do the Anglicans. So, yes, both can trace their churches back to an Apostle.Really? Luther and Henry VIII, etc, etc, etc. were apostles?
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