You Are Going To Hell Because...

[MikeMcK]

So your answer is that God just did "magically appear".

No. My answer is the one that I already gave: that God, not being material or energy, and being outside of time and space, has always been and doesn't have a beginning.

If God had "magically appeared", as you so derisively put it, that would mean that He is a part of space and time and He is not.

((Funny, I could have sworn there was some kind of rule here about not mocking God.))

And it is a dodge because honestly, you can't claim what god is... the Bible never states what "spirit" is or where he might have come from.

Actually, it does. It calls the spirit "pneuma", which refers to the invisible, intangable source of life.

For all you know, spirit could be matter and/or energy.

Not according to the Bible.

 

[Maren]

No. My answer is the one that I already gave: that God, not being material or energy, and being outside of time and space, has always been and doesn't have a beginning.

If God had "magically appeared", as you so derisively put it, that would mean that He is a part of space and time and He is not.

((Funny, I could have sworn there was some kind of rule here about not mocking God.))



Actually, it does. It calls the spirit "pneuma", which refers to the invisible, intangable source of life.



Not according to the Bible.

Nice spin. Yet you have no real definition for "pneuma" other than that it means spirit. Strange how matter and energy are both invisible and intangible. As for the "magically appeared", the reason I had it in quotes is that it was your own words. But if you seriously want to claim that I was mocking god than why don't you report it rather than whining. In truth, I was mocking your weak efforts at spin.

 

[MikeMcK]

Nice spin. Yet you have no real definition for "pneuma" other than that it means spirit.

Actually, I already told you what the word means.

You claimed that the Bible doesn't define spirit, but it does.

Strange how matter and energy are both invisible and intangible.

Actually, neither matter nor energy are intangible and matter is not invisible.

Go stick your finger in a light socket and tell me how intangible energy is.

As for the "magically appeared", the reason I had it in quotes is that it was your own words.

Actually, I never said that God magically appeared.

But if you seriously want to claim that I was mocking god than why don't you report it rather than whining.

Why don't you come up with a cogent argument, rather than personal attacks?

In truth, I was mocking your weak efforts at spin.

I didn't spin anything. She asked a question and I answered her question.

If I were truly spinning it, then you would have debunked my answer, not just sit back and make personal attacks.

 

[Grizzly]

And there we have it. This argument (like many others here) boils down to whether "the Bible" is the inspired word of God or a fallible document written by fallible men.

If it is the inspired word of God, then Hell exists. If it is not, then Hell is simply like the scores of other mythical places that ancient people invented in the construction of their religious beliefs.

Why is this hell real, while these others are not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell

The Christian will tell you that all of these other hells are mythical. The atheist would agree - and would go one hell further.

 

[Grizzly]

The same argument goes for "God is Spirit" and "God is outside of space and time" (whatever that means). Why on earth should we believe in this? A credible answer is not forthcoming.

 

[Aeris]

My senses tell me that there is no example of one species turning into another species.

wolves --> dogs

 

[MikeMcK]

wolves --> dogs

Actually, both are canids.

 

[MikeMcK]

The same argument goes for "God is Spirit" and "God is outside of space and time" (whatever that means). Why on earth should we believe in this? A credible answer is not forthcoming.

You don't have to believe it. The question was "why", not "can you prove it is true".

You don't have to believe in it for it to be a Bibical teaching.

 

[Aeris]

Actually, both are canids.

yes your right but thats not the species thats the family, *technically* dogs (canidae canis lupus familiaris) are a sub-species of wolves (canidae canis lupus) but if they evolve from them they would be a sub-species not a separate species

 

[MikeMcK]

but if they evolve from them they would be a sub-species not a separate species

There's a big difference between "if they evolved from them" and "they're two different species".

 

[GrayCat]

I know that all Humans had a common ape ancestor, but somewhere along the line some of the early humans split off and became Neanderthals which have been discovered to have been a different species from both the Homo Sapien's common ancestor, and the Humans that continued to evolve into the ones today.

 

[Vene]

Actually, both are canids.

Canidae is a family of species. It is not a species. That is as erroneous as claiming that a gorilla and a chimpanzee are the same species.

I know that all Humans had a common ape ancestor, but somewhere along the line some of the early humans split off and became Neanderthals which have been discovered to have been a different species from both the Homo Sapien's common ancestor, and the Humans that continued to evolve into the ones today.

From http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/biology/humanevolution/humevol.html

Some controversy concerning the labeling of H. neanderthalensis as H. sapiens neanderthalensis has arisen in past years, as to whether it should be considered part of the sapiens line. Previously, Neanderthals were considered to have been the transitory form from H. erectus to H. sapiens sapiens. The ideology then shifted to a position that Neanderthals were not a transitory form, but were instead a genetic dead end. Their abrupt disappearance in the fossil record has yielded suggestions that Neanderthals were outcompeted and replaced by anatomically modern human beings. The current viewpoint among many people is that Neanderthals were in fact a separate species and have been labeled by some as H. neanderthalensis, dropping "sapiens" from the name.

The details of human evolution are still being worked out.

 

[cantata]

No. My answer is the one that I already gave: that God, not being material or energy, and being outside of time and space, has always been and doesn't have a beginning.

We've got no evidence of energy or matter having a beginning. I don't think it's any weirder to assume they've been there forever than it is to assume that God has been.

 

[HOPEOF9]

I'll allow catlover to correct me but I will attempt to explain. Mormon's as a general rule do not believe in a literal hell. Rather, they believe in various degrees of glory after this life.

The righteous will go to the Celestial Kingdom where they will live with God forever, this would be roughly the same as the Christian heaven.

Those who believe in Christ in this life but do not follow Christ's teachings will end up in the Terrestrial Kingdom. These people will not be able to see God the Father, though Christ will visit from time to time. In a sense this is thought to be a type of hell because they will be cut off from God and forever grieve that they were not more righteous in this life.

The worst of people, the murderers and such, will end up in the Telestial Kingdom. They will be cut off from both God and Christ but will still receive the Holy Spirit.

Last, what might be considered actual hell, is what they know as Outer Darkness. These people will be completely cut off from God and his glory. The devil and his angels will be there, along with those who knew of God/Christ and their divinity but rejected them. Cain is a good example of one, he spoke with God and yet still defied him and lied to him.

For further information you might check Wikipedia or lds.org. (Note to mods, if I understand the rules correctly the link to lds.org is acceptable since it is in answer to a question. If I am wrong, feel free to remove it).

Actually, I didn't really need that whole explanation, only becuase I've heard that before. No offense to me, hopefully none to you. I'd just like to hear a response from the OP to as why if the Bible talks about Hell, and Mormon's are supposed to support the KJV Bible, don't believe that there is a punishment, not just a lesser reward?

I am a Christian however I don't believe that non-believers burn forever and ever. I believe the wages of sin is death ie eternal seperation from God. You are gone...it's permanent. You aren't tortured forever, that would eliminate a merciful God if you were.

 

[Meshavrischika]

I believe the wages of sin is death ie eternal seperation from God.
This is my hell too (not fire and brimstone)

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I believe the wages of sin is death ie eternal seperation from God.
This is my hell too (not fire and brimstone)

What is sin? What does it mean to be seperated from God?