Yet Another False Accusation!!!!!

Old Timer · Apr 23, 2014

Interplanner said:
OT,
Other than the Gospel event of 0-33 AD, there is the coming in a judgement in 66+. But this 2nd sometimes blurs with the final day of judgement. Only afterward were they distinct.

So: 1.5 comings other than the Gospel.

1.5 comings in the clouds? Or is that one coming in the flesh and a half coming in the clouds?

LOL..

What scripture(s) do you base the coming of Christ in 66+AD upon?

AJCServant · Apr 23, 2014

This was the thread below that apparently began this "debate" that has descended into a "fruitless" diatribe for many to post their "knowledge", without considering the "root-spiritual-issue" that was being "reproved".

Jesus' prayer via these efforts is that the "root-issue" would be "prayerfully" considered, rather than continually posting various "facts" of whether or not the original writer-scribe was originally speaking of our modern day Russian people or not.

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"Shouldn't Fundamentalist-Evangelical leaders actively repent for endorsing Scofield?"

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Shouldn't "Fundamentalist-Evangelical" leaders actively repent for endorsing Scofield's slanderous study notes?

From the date CI Scofield "seemingly" began to overcome his past errs and then he became more "prosperous" whenever his "false-slanderous" notes about Russia et al etc were first published in 1909, the stresses Scofield's poor research and conclusions put upon the Russian leadership (who had become very aware of the tragic results of "Religious" "fanaticism" for much of their history) became evident and overwhelming to many Russians.

In my view it was only by the tremendous efforts of Jesus' Holy Angels who had worked behind the scenes to raise up leaders in many arena's that prevented a first strike in these perilous last days, since there has never been a defense of any sort against a massive first strike via submarine launched nuclear missiles a few miles from any country's shorelines.

In my view more of our "Fundamentalist-Evangelical" leaders need to "actively" repent towards the Russian people and subsequently towards their leadership in order to make amends for their being manipulated for now over a century by Beelzebub and his minions, that has so effectively demoralized the Russian people for so many years.

We are now experiencing somewhat lesser but similar stresses when many Muslim religious leaders are calling the U.S. the great Satan, and are "apparently" working to develop nuclear weapons.

Will any "Fundamentalist-Evangelical" leaders be "encouraged" by Jesus' followers to actively repent in this area "before" Jesus comes?

When Jesus comes will He find much "faith" in the earth?

Luke 18:1-8 (ESV) "The Parable of the Persistent Widow"
And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. He said, In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man. And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, Give me justice against my adversary. For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, Though I neither fear God nor respect man, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming. And the Lord said, Hear what the unrighteous judge says. And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?

"Must" justice and then restitution concerning the false slanders against the Russian people wait until "after" Jesus' would reveal His glory through the clouds?

ebedmelech · Apr 23, 2014

Old Timer said:
Or maybe if Ebed and the other preterists consider all of the cloud comings.. I'd imagine that they're up to a dozen or so comings of Christ..

No more than you and your most likely hero...John Hagee.

Old Timer · Apr 23, 2014

ebedmelech said:
No more than you and your most likely hero...John Hagee.

Seriously how many though..

We have 1.5 by IP..

what's your number if cloud formations count? 10, 20, 30?

I've listened to John Haggee many times.. don't always agree with him although I do admire his passion in preaching the gospel of God's Son.

Interplanner · Apr 23, 2014

OT,
you could call the DofJ a coming because of the inference of Lk 19:44. It must be allowed at least that he meant the whole saying about the DofJ. Ie, besides being a coming himself, he has already warned of the DofJ and will even more. But they aren't taking the warning seriously. When Lk 17 is compared with Mt 24, and it is understood that the destruction there is the DofJ, Luke shows a warning about the DofJ even earlier than the others. (the taking is not the "rapture" lol, it is taking to destruction by the zealots of Judaism).

He also warned of the house being desolated back in 13:35. Because the leaders would not sing Ps 118 about him. there is more but I'll stop.

Interplanner · Apr 23, 2014

There are accounts from Josephus that defy normal categories; in his signs of destruction (a thread here) they are too poignant to have been invented. He does speak of signs in the sky of clouds, and of a large sword appearing to be hanging over the city.

Old Timer · Apr 23, 2014

Interplanner said:
OT,
you could call the DofJ a coming because of the inference of Lk 19:44. It must be allowed at least that he meant the whole saying about the DofJ. Ie, besides being a coming himself, he has already warned of the DofJ and will even more. But they aren't taking the warning seriously. When Lk 17 is compared with Mt 24, and it is understood that the destruction there is the DofJ, Luke shows a warning about the DofJ even earlier than the others. (the taking is not the "rapture" lol, it is taking to destruction by the zealots of Judaism).

He also warned of the house being desolated back in 13:35. Because the leaders would not sing Ps 118 about him. there is more but I'll stop.

I understand your passion for the DofJ in AD70.. but I'd like to hear the answer to my other question..

Is that one coming in the flesh and a half coming in the clouds? You did say 1.5 didn't you?

Oh, and what's the basis for the half coming in the clouds, scripturally?

Biblewriter · Apr 24, 2014

ebedmelech said:
No more than you and your most likely hero...John Hagee.

Most dispensational leaders consider John Hagee an heretic for teaching that Jews can be saved without trusting in Jesus.

I have only listened to him a few times, and never heard him say such an exceedingly false doctrine, but it is widely reported that he does teach this.

7sForDays · Apr 24, 2014

Biblewriter said:
Most dispensational leaders consider John Hagee an heretic for teaching that Jews can be saved without trusting in Jesus.

I have only listened to him a few times, and never heard him say such an exceedingly false doctrine, but it is widely reported that he does teach this.

I know this verse isnt a parable about the Jews specifically, but Christ does bring up an interesting point..

Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Old Timer · Apr 24, 2014

I just saw some amazing cloud formations and was wondering if Christ came..

It's awesome that my doghouse flies too..

Fine.. don't believe me..

Notrash · Apr 24, 2014

Chariots in the Clouds - As Recorded by Josephus, Tacitus, Eusebius, and Others

This event satisfies acts 1:11

Preterist Perspectives on Josephus' Wars of the Jews @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism

This second link recounts the tale of a man named "jesus" of all namea; who had roamed the city proclaiming its woe shortly before the seige. This and the voice heard coming from the temple aatisfy the prophecy of Is 66:6.

Interplanner said:
There are accounts from Josephus that defy normal categories; in his signs of destruction (a thread here) they are too poignant to have been invented. He does speak of signs in the sky of clouds, and of a large sword appearing to be hanging over the city.

Old Timer · Apr 24, 2014

See, it's true..

People see strange cloud formations and all of the sudden it's the second coming of Christ.. or the 1.5 coming of Christ.. or the 10th, 20th, 30th.. who's counting..

LOL...

I mean at least it is pretty funny.

Biblewriter · Apr 24, 2014

Notrash said:
Chariots in the Clouds - As Recorded by Josephus, Tacitus, Eusebius, and Others

This event satisfies acts 1:11

Preterist Perspectives on Josephus' Wars of the Jews @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism

This second link recounts the tale of a man named "jesus" of all namea; who had roamed the city proclaiming its woe shortly before the seige. This and the voice heard coming from the temple aatisfy the prophecy of Is 66:6.

I find it amazing that someone who regularly denies that things will happen, even when the Bible explicitly says they will happen, would believe such nonsense coming from a non-inspired source.

Notrash · Apr 24, 2014

Biblewriter said:
I find it amazing that someone who regularly denies that things will happen, even when the Bible explicitly says they will happen, would believe such nonsense coming from a non-inspired source.

It's good to be amazed.

I value and fear/respect your opinion about as much as.......well.........., I have no respect or time for it. It couldn't be less.
Your the one who says that the armies will have to buy horses and make swords because bullets, rockets and so forth will be considered useless? What are the amish going to do when the armies come for their horses so that all the people can come on horseback?

It was fulfilled!!!!!! New covt Israel was and continues to be Christians. That is who Christ came to fight for. !!!!

Dispensational; and your new covenant and kingdom denying hermeneutics are a joke and an offennsive stench.
But keep on praying for more wars, and more calamities since that's what's in your heart.

Old Timer · Apr 24, 2014

As a WWII Flying Ace I've seen my share of cloud formations.. I never realized that it meant Christ was coming..

Interplanner · Apr 24, 2014

OT,
I don't think Josephus knew whether the things/signs he saw were clouds; he just knew there were images in the sky.

A source doesn't have to be "inspired" to record something true. There are true things outside of the Bible. It is when we realize that the Bible is one of the things that is objectively true "because it is true to what is there" (--Schaeffer) that we have a strong concept of truth; otherwise all types of knowledge weaken by just being privately true. The concept of a modern Israel as a fulfilled prophecy is very weak because it is not open to objective questions from the NT. It sidesteps them and thus just becomes 'a belief.'

Biblewriter · Apr 24, 2014

Interplanner said:
The concept of a modern Israel as a fulfilled prophecy is very weak because it is not open to objective questions from the NT. It sidesteps them and thus just becomes 'a belief.'

That is 100% pure opinion. You are using your private interpretations of the meanings of a few scriptures that never actually say what you claim they mean as an excuse to deny the truth of a great many other scriptures that actually say the very opposite of what you claim these few scriptures mean.

Notrash · Apr 24, 2014

Interplanner said:
OT,
I don't think Josephus knew whether the things/signs he saw were clouds; he just knew there were images in the sky.

A source doesn't have to be "inspired" to record something true. There are true things outside of the Bible. It is when we realize that the Bible is one of the things that is objectively true "because it is true to what is there" (--Schaeffer) that we have a strong concept of truth; otherwise all types of knowledge weaken by just being privately true. The concept of a modern Israel as a fulfilled prophecy is very weak because it is not open to objective questions from the NT. It sidesteps them and thus just becomes 'a belief.'

Amen.
'Israel", and "my people Israel", after the time of new covt prophecies are the people redeemed and living in the Creator/Jesus.

I see the forum is in fair hands with ebed, yourself and parousia.

Understand if I have less time for the arguementative part.

Notrash · Apr 24, 2014

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Old Timer · Apr 24, 2014

I know I know... the true Israel is only make believe..

The church is now Israel...the wise in its own conceitedness church of Israel..

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