Yeshua is God!

[iitb]

would that mean that we non-jewish people would not be able to participate?

Well, you have to take the good with the bad.
good: Hix would be allowed to fully express his side of things.
bad: members who aren't practicing any particular flavor of Judaism won't be allowed to participate in the thread.

However, since you wouldn't be allowed to debate regardless of the thread's location in this particular forum, the bad probably isn't that bad .

If you have any questions about a statement that is made, you could always pm the person that said it. I think most of our members wouldn't mind explaining their beliefs in that manner.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Ok thats good enough for me

I have sort of been doing that anyway...

 

[yod]

I don't really care to debate this with unbelievers. I can understand how they would disagree.

I posted this because of tares in the wheat.

If you want to move it and let the sparks fly go ahead. It is the confused messianics that I would like to talk with. Either Yeshua is God or He's worthless as a Saviour.

If someone's views can't be discussed in this forum can they really be messianic?

 

[yod]

If you would like to move this for debate in another forum, I believe it should be in a place where ANYONE can join. Jewish, gentile, believer or otherwise.

And it should start over from the top.

But again...my intention is to talk with those who pretend to be messianic....but have a confused idea of what that is.

 

[Hix]

I believe remarks like that were what P4I ment when she said about flaming. I am not a confused messianic, nor do I say Yeshua is worthless.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[iitb]

I don't really care to debate this with unbelievers. I can understand how they would disagree.

I posted this because of tares in the wheat.

If you want to move it and let the sparks fly go ahead. It is the confused messianics that I would like to talk with. Either Yeshua is God or He's worthless as a Saviour.

If someone's views can't be discussed in this forum can they really be messianic?

Let me see if I can explain this. I'm sure P4I will correct me if I'm wrong.

It is my understanding that, since CF is defining Messianic Judaism as a branch of Christianity, one must meet the qualifications to post in the Christian only areas to be able to debate here:
[noco]
So, while I would consider Hix 100% MJ, he does not meet this criteria.

However, an exception has been made in this particular forum to allow non-messianics(read: those practicing a form of Judaism that doesn't fit the above definition) to participate in discussions that aren't debates, although the line separating the two can get a bit hazy at times.

In order to allow debates between those two sides, a Jewish Debates subforum was created. So, since the parties you're looking to talk with cannot debate in the main MJ forum, I have suggested moving it to this subforum.

Have I confused you enough, yet?

Anyway, with the passing of IDD, we really don't have a place where all parties, MJ, Catholic, etc. can openly discuss this. However, if you want to start a new thread, we could probably leave this one as a non-participant commentary area. Just let me know what works for you.

 

[iitb]

One more thing: While the only rules in the subforum are those of formal debates, you don't have to go that route. It can also be an informal debate allowing anyone who qualifies to participate.

 

[Christy4Christ]

I would like to participate and I believe in the Nicene creed so now I am totally confused! LOL

 

[yod]

After reading that definition, I am now a confused messianic too ?



I don't know what "flaming" is evidently. I thought is was losing your temper or calling people names.

My question is sincere. If only messianics can debate here, someone would have to redefine what "messianic" means to deny that Yeshua is God.

This is the only messianic discussion board I've seen where there is a problem with my initial statement. There are fringe groups with various abberant theologies who disagree and I'm trying to identify if that is the situation here. Therefore, I assert that anyone who has a problem with that statement is probably not messianic in the true sense of the word.

Lubavitchers could call themselves "messianic" also but it's a different messiah.
If Yeshua is not God then I have to assume you are talking about a different messiah also.

How about we only let people who identify themselves as messianic AND believe that the Brit Chadashah is inspired and infallible debate this question? Can we suspend whatever rule [for this one thread] which disallows Hix to say what's on her mind? Is Hix really the only one who disagrees? Where does sojeru stand on this?

I would REALLY like to discuss this with messianics only. Any other forum will bring in people who will confuse the conversation.

 

[yod]

Can we start a "confused messianic" forum?

 

[Henaynei]

LOL - you also have to be either Messianic and/or Jewish

 

[Christy4Christ]

Oh...I thought I found a loophole :out::

 

[Henaynei]

good try, though!!! Hurray for effort!!

 

[yod]

oy g'valt!



who is the lawyer that came up with this??? We've spent 4 pages debating how to debate!! I just want to try and talk some sense into the situation.


OK...I've been hanging out with jews long enough to figure out a way around this law. Pass the turkey bacon and lets begin.

If Hix can't debate then surely she answer questions which I pose? I don't need to "win" a debate. I just wonder why anyone would follow an impotent messiah who can't save Himself...much less anyone else?


How about this.....Who do you say Yeshua is?

 

[iitb]

Actually, before this goes any further, I'm going to have to point out that Hix is a he.

Hix, my brotha, you might want to look into a more masculine avatar.

 

[ShirChadash]

I believe remarks like that were what P4I ment when she said about flaming. I am not a confused messianic, nor do I say Yeshua is worthless.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

See. This is why I would like to see this discussion fleshed out. I think that for anyone to claim the position of Messianic believer (which may have it's "in vogue" moments, but is just NOT an easy place to stand at all with any strength of belief and sincerity) these people had to have come to this place after much serious spiritual work and struggle and discernment of the Word, and more... At any rate, I would rather see and weigh Hix's (or anyone's) full reasoning for his particular beliefs/stands than just allow other posters' comments about Hix and his supposed "confusion" to color my attitudes toward his beliefs -- because I still don't KNOW the fullness of his beliefs or WHY he believes them (and no offense to Yod, whatsoever, is meant here as I respect him and value his posts immensely -- bless ya, Yod!). I would just like to see Hix be given a place where he can place his thoughts "out there" for the rest of us to weigh and question and understand, if he is willing to do such a thing.

And (again just my .36 *insert "blahblahblah" if you get tired of my comments* ) I definitely think this is a Messianic Jewish issue and should not be open to all manner of believers to debate etc. on the MJ/Jewish debate section. The terms MJew, MJudaism, confused Messianic, and any number of other concepts and terminology that come to play in this discussion make it clearly a Messianic issue we are discussing -- and those outside of MJism often (no offense, again) unintentionally side-track the discussion from the real issues when asking questions on the thread itself or making comments from their decidedly non-Jewish and non-Messianic position/background. I hope I don't regret saying that -- and I truly mean no offense at all. I just see that this is an in-house issue, so to speak.

 

[Christy4Christ]

The avatar Hix has is clearly a boy!

 

[yod]

OK....i'll start with apologies.

Sorry little bro...didn't mean to confuse your gender!

And I will refrain from using "confused" messianic. I wouldn't want to add any harrassment to a touchy situation if you are on the road of faith.

But you should be aware that I don't understand how you can even be born again if the Ruach HaKodesh has not revealed this to you....therefore I don't understand how you can make the claim of being messianic.

Where to start?

What makes someone messianic in your mind?

 

[Christy4Christ]

Well I understand not wanting non-messianic people to debate here but as far as asking questions, I for one want to learn about other faiths and beliefs.

I don't think I have ever come across in an offense way, have I ?

If I have I do apologize.

 

[ShirChadash]

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(Zemi expertly... um... er maybe not... points out Hix's clear male icon up dere.)