YEC's Unite Continued

[Card42]

Also, another question are TE believe in tolerance or intolerance?

what does it matter?
i'm sure some are
and some aren't
TE's aren't one big over-arching cult.
to me,
that question seems like asking
whether Christians who believe
in infant baptism
are tolerant or intolerant

 

[mhess13]

If you don't take Genesis literally, then why not scoff at other parts of the word? Such as the Bible's clear teachings on homosexuality

 

[Chi_Cygni]

The Bible also has clear teachings about the wearing of certain fabrics - do you follow that?

Oe can also argue the Bible is not quite as against homosexuality as many fundamentalists think.

Tell me how many references Jesus makes about it.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Oh fragments, explain to me what you mean by the structure of Genesis.

Thanks!!

First, there are many parallels between Genesis and the myths of neighboring cultures. It appears that the Hebrews took myths from other cultures and altered them at key points to drive home points about God. Jesus did the same thing with some of his parables: taking a well known story and changing it to make a point. This makes it seem like Genesis is a collection of theological stories rather than a historical account.

Second, Genesis was written by multiple authors and has multiple creation stories. These stories contain inconsistencies when read literally, but these inconsistencies are not important if it is a collection of theological stories rather than a theological account.

 

[Bushido216]

If you don't take Genesis literally, then why not scoff at other parts of the word? Such as the Bible's clear teachings on homosexuality

Why not? I wouldn't give you the satisfaction.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Tolerance or intolerance on the teachings of the Bible. Such as homosexuals, there a few verses that say this is a perversion, or abomination. I would never try to indicate that we should do anything other then love these individuals, but some churches have seen it fit to let these individuals be priests or pastors of the church. Again, I have nothing against homosexuals and nothing against them if they want to attend church. I am just giving an example.

Because they do not believe that the plain reading of the Bible is the best one and are open to information outside the Bible to help their understanding, TE's would be more open to arguements in favor of homosexuals, but they would still require that those arguements be sound before they accept them.

 

[mhess13]

The Bible also has clear teachings about the wearing of certain fabrics - do you follow that?

Oe can also argue the Bible is not quite as against homosexuality as many fundamentalists think.

Tell me how many references Jesus makes about it.

This just shows that you don't understand the Bible and especially don't understand the Old Testament and how it relates to us today.

Christ actually spoke often against homosexuality. Homosexuality is covered under fornication. But if you're a scoffer, no amount of scripture in the world will convince you.

 

[GodSaves]

what does it matter?
i'm sure some are
and some aren't
TE's aren't one big over-arching cult.
to me,
that question seems like asking
whether Christians who believe
in infant baptism
are tolerant or intolerant

I asked because I wanted to know how the TE's view the teachings of the Bible.
I have some more questions

Do TE's believe Jesus actually raised Lazarus up from the dead?
Do TE's believe Jesus actually walked on water?
Do TE's believe that Jesus, by crucification, gave to us salvation, for those who believe? Personally, I think this is the greater miracle then creation.

Do TE's think that God could have created the universe in 6 days, parted the red sea, and cause the world wide flood? I am not asking for proof or evidence. I want to know if TE's think that God can do this if He wanted to.

Again, I am not trying to be rude or mean. I am trying to get an understanding of what a TE believes.

God Bless

 

[GodSaves]

Oh mhess13, I too just love Romans 1:20. Have you read the few verses before Romans 1:20 and after it lately? I think it makes it very clear.

God Bless

 

[L'Anatra]

This just shows that you don't understand the Bible and especially don't understand the Old Testament and how it relates to us today.

Christ actually spoke often against homosexuality. Homosexuality is covered under fornication. But if you're a scoffer, no amount of scripture in the world will convince you.

Those are mighty big words... you really should elaborate rather than attacking those who have a different interpretation of the Bible to yours.

 

[mhess13]

Those are mighty big words... you really should elaborate rather than attacking those who have a different interpretation of the Bible to yours.

What is there to elaborate on? I don't have the time to sit here and conduct a Bible study on the "types" in the old testament, give an in depth explaination of each mosiac law and explain it's relationship to believers under grace. I especially don't have that kind of time to fool with a scoffer. There are too many reachable people out there!
BTW - believers under grace still aren't allowed to have ANY sex outside of a marriage. (for you scoffers, MARRIAGE = 1 man + 1 woman)

 

[mhess13]

Oh mhess13, I too just love Romans 1:20. Have you read the few verses before Romans 1:20 and after it lately? I think it makes it very clear.

God Bless

Yes, I love that verse because it leaves ALL men condemned and in need of a savior! And praise be to God that we have one - Jesus Christ! Yes I read the entire book of Romans last month. right now I am in 2nd Peter
Romans is clear on what God thinks of homosexuality and many other sins, but people don't REALLY want to know what God thinks. (even professing "christians") People want to hold on to their pet sins and make unto themselves an image. An image of a God of only love who has no standards to live by, whose word isn't meant to be taken seriously, a god who is fallible...

 

[Card42]

I asked because I wanted to know how the TE's view the teachings of the Bible.
I have some more questions

Do TE's believe Jesus actually raised Lazarus up from the dead?
Do TE's believe Jesus actually walked on water?
Do TE's believe that Jesus, by crucification, gave to us salvation, for those who believe? Personally, I think this is the greater miracle then creation.

Do TE's think that God could have created the universe in 6 days, parted the red sea, and cause the world wide flood? I am not asking for proof or evidence. I want to know if TE's think that God can do this if He wanted to.

Again, I am not trying to be rude or mean. I am trying to get an understanding of what a TE believes.

God Bless

then as one individual "TE"
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes

 

[Card42]

If you don't take Genesis literally, then why not scoff at other parts of the word? Such as the Bible's clear teachings on homosexuality

one reason
would be that i take into account
all of God's revelations
not just the Bible
the only direct revelation we have
in regards to homosexuality
is the the Bible
however,
nature (which is also one of God's revelations)
conflicts with ONE way
of interpreting Genesis

 

[L'Anatra]

What is there to elaborate on? I don't have the time to sit here and conduct a Bible study on the "types" in the old testament, give an in depth explaination of each mosiac law and explain it's relationship to believers under grace. I especially don't have that kind of time to fool with a scoffer. There are too many reachable people out there!
BTW - believers under grace still aren't allowed to have ANY sex outside of a marriage. (for you scoffers, MARRIAGE = 1 man + 1 woman)

Wow... really Christian attitude there. Scoffer, eh? Look at the Christian icon in each of my posts. I've had enough of the name-calling.

Point me to specific scriptural evidence or don't reply at all.

 

[mhess13]

Wow... really Christian attitude there. Scoffer, eh? Look at the Christian icon in each of my posts. I've had enough of the name-calling.

Point me to specific scriptural evidence or don't reply at all.

Maybe we're talking past one another. What exactly do you want me to address? The post about old testament law of not mixing fabrics? YEC vs TE? What?
I wasn't necessarily refering to you as a scoffer. That was more pointed at Chi_Chngy for trying to say that homosexuality wasn't as big of deal as "fundies" think. I would call that scoffing at God's word! And that attitude proves that this person doesn't believe the Bible, so that is why I said I don't have time or interst in getting into a Bible study. It would be wasted energy on my part.
For the record, I get the word "scoffer" from this verse.
2 Peter 3:3-6 (KJV)
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

I asked because I wanted to know how the TE's view the teachings of the Bible.
I have some more questions

Do TE's believe Jesus actually raised Lazarus up from the dead?
Do TE's believe Jesus actually walked on water?
Do TE's believe that Jesus, by crucification, gave to us salvation, for those who believe? Personally, I think this is the greater miracle then creation.

Do TE's think that God could have created the universe in 6 days, parted the red sea, and cause the world wide flood? I am not asking for proof or evidence. I want to know if TE's think that God can do this if He wanted to.

Again, I am not trying to be rude or mean. I am trying to get an understanding of what a TE believes.

God Bless

I believe that Jesus did all those things. I also believe that God could have created in six days, but God, in His wisdom, chose not to.

 

[L'Anatra]

Maybe we're talking past one another. What exactly do you want me to address? The post about old testament law of not mixing fabrics? YEC vs TE? What?
I wasn't necessarily refering to you as a scoffer. That was more pointed at Chi_Chngy for trying to say that homosexuality wasn't as big of deal as "fundies" think. I would call that scoffing at God's word! And that attitude proves that this person doesn't believe the Bible, so that is why I said I don't have time or interst in getting into a Bible study. It would be wasted energy on my part.
For the record, I get the word "scoffer" from this verse.
2 Peter 3:3-6 (KJV)
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Yeah, I understand what you meant by "scoffer," and that's why I was perhaps offended.

In any case, I was asking particularly about scriptural evidence indicating Christ's speaking against fornication (of course he did, but I'm interested in homosexuality specifically). I simply thought that it may help further the discussion if you posted some specific verses. I'm not asking for a Bible study.

GodSaves brought up Romans 1:20 and it's surrounding verses. The word fornication (porneia) can not be found, however, in the original Greek in Romans 1 (specifically verse 29), but it was added to the Latin Vulgate and can be found in the KJV translation. It is possible there are other portions of that chapter that can be read as mentioning homosexuality, perhaps Romans 1:27...

 

[Bushido216]

What is there to elaborate on? I don't have the time to sit here and conduct a Bible study on the "types" in the old testament, give an in depth explaination of each mosiac law and explain it's relationship to believers under grace. I especially don't have that kind of time to fool with a scoffer. There are too many reachable people out there!
BTW - believers under grace still aren't allowed to have ANY sex outside of a marriage. (for you scoffers, MARRIAGE = 1 man + 1 woman)

This is bad debating. Back up what you have to say or turn off your P.C.. You're not Big Man on Campus because you ignore everyone.

 

[GodSaves]

Yeah, I understand what you meant by "scoffer," and that's why I was perhaps offended.

In any case, I was asking particularly about scriptural evidence indicating Christ's speaking against fornication (of course he did, but I'm interested in homosexuality specifically). I simply thought that it may help further the discussion if you posted some specific verses. I'm not asking for a Bible study.

GodSaves brought up Romans 1:20 and it's surrounding verses. The word fornication (porneia) can not be found, however, in the original Greek in Romans 1 (specifically verse 29), but it was added to the Latin Vulgate and can be found in the KJV translation. It is possible there are other portions of that chapter that can be read as mentioning homosexuality, perhaps Romans 1:27...

L'Anatra, I wasn't giving Romans as scripture of fornication. That was for another point altogether, mhess13 also likes Romans 1:20 as well, that is why I brought it up to him. It and the verses before it and after it is a wonderful revelation for understanding.

Ok, some more questions:

Do TE's believe that science has ever been wrong in its methods?
Man created the scientific methods and rational behind it, do you believe that man and what man creates is infallible?
Do TE's believe God is infallible?

Once again, these aren't intended to be rude or mean. Just clearing up my understanding of TE's. Thanks!!

God Bless